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frumentius:
Pardon my tardiness, been busy with checking out, checking in with the Reserves etc.

1) Regardless of whether matriculant or graduate, rightly, all are equal at MSDS/basics (the instructors are NCOs and naturally give graduates i.e. future officers, a hard time);

2) Broadly across Army, Air Force, Navy and Health Services, MSDS encompasses:

- In the first year of MSDS:
--- Basic military training and functional training;
--- Service-specific training;
--- Participation in practical military exercises;
--- Combat-ready training exercises;
--- Selection of junior leaders (matriculants with promise who pass the Selection are put on the NCO stream; graduates on Officer stream).

- In the second year of MSDS expect:
--- To undergo young officers formative training;
--- Junior leaders (officers) will receive leader group service training;
--- A selection process for officers to study at the Military Academy;
--- A focus on the utilisation and deployment of MSDS troops.

3) After 2 years of MSDS, either a contract on the regulars, or the Reserve Force.

For the purposes of this discussion, university graduates who come through the above attain the rank of LT.

I wondered how could a graduate after all military training start his career as a private as said by @jiln. It's the Same thing all over the world but different selection process. Thanks for the explanation.

jakeporeshenko:
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This is just to convince the president that they are working.

jln115:
This was before the MSDS was implemented also not sure if he did basic then earned his rank or if he was Captain from the start, which would be strange as my Dad also had a degree and even he started as a troopy in the Army, and After his Basic he earned his rank as Lieutenant.

As far as i know Basic=troopy after basic you earn your rank.

OK, the MSDS is new and when did they start to implement it? And again how many years does it take to earn a promotion through sitting for an exam or whatever form?

gees9:
Not sure if this helps, but the current commander of 7 Medical Battalion entered service at the rank of captain according to this article? http://www.defenceweb.co.za/sa-defence/sa-defence-sa-defence/new-boss-for-7-med-battalion-group/

are you a SA if may ask? And in SA is a captain equal to a private because someone here said that they go into service as privates.

krattoss:
Paid a visit to my OL' G friend who was deployed to North East but came home for aunt's burial.

Mehn things he told me brought shivers down my spine.
It's sad to say this but I have to swallow and shift aside my patriotic stand.. this Boko haram/iswap terrorism is far from finishing..
Could u imagine these guys sent more than 300 informants to recruit in the Nigeria army,after the trainings,they disappeared and sent a later of thanks to the generals for job well done in training them.

This one na minor sef on what he told me

Guy, for every gist/news you have to process it first very well before believing it cos In this our country govt, press, military, NGO's can lie at will.

jln115:
Yes!!! and the age limit to join the SANDF(non civilian capacity) is 18-22 or up to 26 if applicant has a Tertiary qualification,so chances of a qualified medical doctor under the age of 26 joining the force is close to 0...... but if they do they will start as a private.

How do you source for the medical corp? And don't you guys have like a military university where these guys go to to get converted to military life? I'm still wondering how a university graduate will want to start as a private in the military. And can you explain how you get manpower for the non comms and officer cadre?

jln115:
Regardless if you have a degree or not you'll still need to apply and complete the Military Skills Development System MSDS. After which you are either given a permanent contract to join the regular force or subsequently you join the reserve force.

Having a degree(depends on degree!) however gives you a much better chance of landing a regular force contract(from what i heard) and being chosen to complete officers courses ect ect.

P.S regardless of qualification......if you join the SANDF you'll start off as a private, you can't instantly obtain a certain rank just because of your qualification.....There are however ceremonial ranks given to certain civilians from time to time however.

I don't understand your P.S. You mean a qualified medical doctor joining the SANDF will start off as a private too?

allexpensive:
Airborne / air assault

Does Nigeria have an air assault battalion, brigade? I thought air assault is basically moving/assaulting with troop carrying helicopters.

Me think that as BH has recently been on the offensive and it's election season, this God forsaken bastards might attempt to hit a major city with a bomb. I hope the intelligence services are up and proactive.

Is there any comparison between the insurgency by the maute group in the Phillipines in 2017 and the one happening in Nigeria? And are there lessons to be learned by the Nigerian army?

Why the upsurge in insurgents attack?

There was one video of BH with a prisoner warrant officer after they over ran a base, I think that video was erroneously posted as the metele attack. On nairaland or twitter, I can't remember which one, somebody posted that that was his father and proceeded to name the man. It really hit me hard, I wasn't myself for some days because that image kept coming to me and I wondered what the family might be feeling at that time. @BabaOwen, nobody is forcing you to do what you don't want to do, but I guess the request is to respect the dead and the family that are still alive. That pictures or videos are posted by others doesn't mean you should do same,if those same people are putting their hands in fire will you do same? People like that dead boy made it possible for you to make posts like this at the comfort of wherever you are. I hope you try and understand why they told you to take the picture down.

allexpensive:
No idea. Vehicle shows NA boys were there. Weapon shows a huge army presence.

My guess, an FOB with joint armed forces. I can't see anything pointing out to NAF Sf from those equipments.

May the angels protect, guide and always be with you guys. My prayers is for all this to end quickly.

Majority of Nigerians seem to be insulated from what is happening in the North East. It's a shame that all this is happening without without any consequence to the people that hold sway. We as a people have really lost our humanity. We have sunk to an abyss that's hard to be explained, maybe tough to come out from.Burning issues are being trivialised and made political by the people that are supposed to hold the current leadership accountable. There's nothing to do now but to pray for all these young men dead or alive. May God continue to help them and everyone. It's really saddening.

kikuyu1:
The hole in the mag and the destroyed right thumb of the 2nd last mofo is actually more common in close range shooting than you may think. Guys naturally aim at the gun not the shooter-not complaining,though!

why would you want to shoot at the gun when you can kill the person pulling the trigger.

EMW01:
Pics of weapons used by the terrorist in Riverside, Nairobi.

the one with the red band on the head, Rambo style, which virgin will want to fuk this one, talk more of 72. Fooooooool died for nothing.

There is something fundamentally wrong with us. Some here are saying it's ISWAP propaganda, but to say the truth, for the dead soldiers and those in the North East that's their reality.I felt goose bumps at the fourth video. Damn! I feel for those guys, war isn't a child's play, mehn.I wonder where the courage comes from in facing those BH virgin hunting bastards,knowing that more could be done to annihilate them in no time. With utmost respect I salute you guys courage. These attacks are audacious and in full daylight, no fear for any repercussions. Wondering why the army can't buy systems like the bmpt terminator and get planes that could be quickly scrambled for close air support. They are waiting until when to get the Tucanos. This war is a clear and present danger. I guess since they are cozied up somewhere as usual they don't care.

snrman:
sorry to say but loosing some battles does not mean u hv lost the war. Most of all this propaganda video happen wen they attack some battalions. Nigerians r very impatient people if i must say. Its quite unfortunate that armed bandit r terrorizing sokoto n zamfara if not kudos to the NA for isolating iswap to only borno. I can authoritatively tell u that if (a big if) buhari win a 2nd term iswap will be decimated. When buhari said boko was technically defeated he was trying to score political points which is very bad. I repeat no army in Africa is better trained than the NA in guerilla tactic. Borno is a very large state, n up till now boko haram still hv sympathizers. If the US army come over here to fight iswap they is succed by bombing the whole area which we r trying to to avoid because civilians r still plenty in the area.
So please try n use logic when watching most of those videos cus they r just propaganda.
In every war both side loses n its quite unfortunate that we hv lost some of our soldiers. We know what we signed up for.
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The only thing civilians can do for the NA is to pray for us.
Funny how yall r quick to believe propaganda videos most of those videos r not the reality on down in Borno.

Ibrahimanis:
Akure

As if they care. Look at even Akeredolu putting his hands in his pocket.

jakeporeshenko:
You know you’re being silly right?
The soldiers in the pic I posted are from the Nigerian air force..

Look at the NASFC soldiers that linked their counterparts in Baga yesterday and compare them with regular Senegalese soldiers, our guys are clearly being short changed by their superiors, NA is provided funding in the budget every year for kitting and our guys in the frontline complain of lack of body armor and helmet and you’re here defending what ?

I’m proud of our galant men but I’m not proud of their generals/procurement officers or whoever is in charge of kitting them, deal with it bro.

You missed the joke �

EVarn:
I think Owen has a point, though he usually comes off as annoying and repetitive. A military is as good as its government and this government has failed to put the necessary elements in place to guarantee victory in this war. The army itself is not helping its PR by always telling lies. There is no politics in saying the truth as it is.
Nobody here is a baby to be swayed by a few anti-government posts, so I don't think that is an issue. Though I get your point,repeating these stuffs like a mantra is tiring and only serves to derail the thread.

You will have to go back and read some of his posts for you to understand where he's coming from. My take is that at this season of electioneering we should not allow politics here, or else this place will be flooded with Buhari vs Atiku. Mind you it's the same person that recently posted this

"Most of this military personnel that do lament about not having weapons to fight, where is boko haram getting all this weapons from You have this sort of weapons yet you can't defeat boko haram... What more do they need to fight boko haram
If boko haram or ISWAP can lay their hands on manpads, then it will just be a matter of time before they will take over,hold and fully control Maiduguri“.

I've often said that the problem of the military is not the absence of weaponry to defeat threats like BH but a deeper rot that has been going on since the 80's and it will take generations of new commanders with different mindsets to correct this anomaly.

BabaOwen:
Most of this military personnel that do lament about not having weapons to fight, where is boko haram getting all this weapons from You have this sort of weapons yet you can't defeat boko haram... What more do they need to fight boko haram

If boko haram or ISWAP can lay their hands on manpads, then it will just be a matter of time before they will take over,hold and fully control Maiduguri.

Haba! This post no sweet you. This one dey better na instead of that your politics.

BabaOwen:
I'm not asking you to do anything, I was just asking a question.

The military and the FG lied about technically defeated boko haram not been in control of baga, just the way they lied about not having sex with ladies in IDP camps. Buhari has totally failed in securing the lives and properties of Nigerians.

Nothing has change, even though buhari promised us change.

What is the reason for this your post? What do you want us to do? "Buhari has failed", in another way, you are campaigning for the opposition and you don't want to say it in black and white. You want people visiting here to vote Buhari out.Ok, your wish has been granted by the gods of nairaland. This is not the place for you to tell us that Buhari has failed, please go somewhere else.

bidexiii:
Concl.

The guy looking into the mud house, what kind of body armor is that for God's sake? Who's producing them and who bought them? Sides not protected.

BabaOwen:
On the 28th Dec 2018 There was attacked in Baga town, but APC and NA went into he town claiming it's fakes and false that Baga was never lost to any terrorist. As contained in picture 1.


However today the media space was flooded with news of NA retaking Baga Town.

Now the question

When was Baga then captured by ISWAP that was taken back today?

Oga sir, I thought we had already passed this point, do you want to keep reminding us? You think it's only BH that does propaganda? All militaries do it. Even if the army lied, what do you want us to do, to distrust them?Na. For me this news you posted are just political,I want you to understand that.

GabrielYulaw:
Guys please enough. Let it ride. It's simply not worth it. We are all here to learn from each other.

What are you learning? Are you a military guy or BH? Sorry, na laff I dey o.

MiddleDimension:
people dey deliver real weapon, na toy this one dey con give us! mtchew

I laff tire o.

People sometimes think that Nigeria is a rich country, they all quote her GDP as the biggest in Africa but forget that her per capita income and it's foreign reserve are poor compared to her population. How will you expect to use 10 billion out of your 40 billion foreign reserve for military equipment, that's bad economics,there are order sectors that are in urgent need of serious attention too. Algeria used to have fully armed Libya to its right and also morrocco to it's left. I don't think we have those kind of countries bordering us. The problem with Nigeria is absolute corruption that even the small amount budgeted for the military is stolen,this has translated to obsolete equipments and indiscipline.

BabaOwen:
let them first go and arrest Nnamdi kanu in Israel, or is he no longer a terrorist

Nnamdi Kanu's time will come in due season and I hope when that time comes you won't come here to complain.

BabaOwen:
The Nigerian army is a very funny organization

Like the Abami eda once said, we just have to dey look and laugh

Laugh all that you want. That thing was termed criminal and fraudulent and it might be so with our penchant for 419 and yahoo yahoo.

prolog2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZPTPco9Xa8

The way we treat ourselves in this country is absolutely pathetic and dehumanising, the Nigerian system is not working, it's a class thing. If it were to be the CP's and AIG's they will be accommodated real good. I'm sure money must have been budgeted for this operation but they rather steal it. We have had dumb and dumber IG's but this one is the dumbest.

Henry240:
No sir. it doesn't matter who the attacking force is. It shows how your hold ground and defend your position against attacking elements.

Both the British and Thai showed a lot of dexterity and composure in defending their positions against attacking elements. That's what we need to learn.

The British had to deal with mortars.

BHT don't bother carrying heavy equipment because they can't support them. The stole a BM-21 but the Air Force quickly destroyed it.

A standard Nigerian army gun-truck is heavily armed and comes in a configuration of a 12.7mm or 14.5mm. We gave the capability to defend our position against insurgent attacks.

The British base is basic, no Hescos, just sand-bangs and blocks.

Oga sir, I'm not trying to hold brief for the Nigerian army but this things happen. Your video is just an instance of a successful base defence, just as how some Nigerian soldiers too have successfully defended their bases. I could also show you videos where American FOB's were over ran by Taliban and weapons carted away. In war things like these are bound to happen but it doesn't mean that that is the end of the military.

prolog2:
I don't doubt the curroption in the ecomog era. What you shouldn't doubt as well is the fact that the ecomog soldiers fought well and have a lot of battle experience which they could share with the new guys and their commanders. Also, they could help to cut the corruption since they know how it is done even better than the current doers.

What I was trying to say is ECOMOG was a pyrrhic victory.