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damilarelr: There were no Christians in the Old Testament. Just a tribe that God delights in, and preserving in order to bring the Messiah through. The Church was birthed after the ascension of Christ.

do christians believe in old testament or not.

damilarelr: Human beings are creature of choices... Celebrate ignorance or not, what I believe is that when I pray He answers.

same as sango worshiper. its not enough reason i think

damilarelr: Geographically, it was the earth rotation that was halted because the night took extra hours to come. Biblically speaking, it was the Sun that seized..but either way, science actually proved that an unusual longer day in the Bible disorganised the calendar.

science did not prove that. the prove will be if leap year has been before the incident.
if the prove that the earth changes its orbit is true, and the earth and sun have existed billoins of years before, then it has nothin to do with the event in the Bible

damilarelr: It might be a scientific reference as you call it. But it's a valid reference based in the Word of God. Whatever additional reason that might be responsible for the leap year still answers to the Creator of the universe. The earth is His footstool..let Him toss it to wherever He pleases..and let Science give it a name and theoretical explanation.

so you agree that it has nothin to do with science. that belief in the above is basically faith in the Bible. Most already know it is God`s work.

God does exist in absolutely. or can anyone explain what suspends the heavens from collapsing on the earth.
this God is one ....."... the Lord our God is one" (Jesus said: i think this means he is also the God of jesus)

i ll read the omments tomorrow. shalom (peace)

thelastPope: The writer neither used round nor sphere because those are English words. The bible was not written in English but in Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic. Like I told you before, English is a very wishy washy language. Round or sphere were used by those who translated the bible to English. The bible says, God sits above the circle of the earth. That was an indication that the earth was round or sphere. But again, like I said before, the bible is not academic book and didn't focus on minute descriptions of exactly how the shape was. If the prophets focussed on those, the bible would probably have been in like 1000 volumes or more

ok. then i pose a Question... does a sphere have a circle? just an answer since the bible is easy to understand. another way to frame it is if the top view of sphere and circle, are they same?

Kay 17: @talking bird

Evolution doesn't say an eagle will to a hawk and the hawk to turn to a monkey, rather says life is dynamic and future species arise from the pre existing ones as you have shown. The process is a continous one and over time drastic changes will be made finish!!

If finches develop a species with curved and short beaks, those subsequently experience changes favourable the environment, probably bigger body sizes and the resulting species might grow bigger and more complex eyes, on and on.

Pasteur was testing for spontaeous generation not abiogensis. And so far abiogensis is in its infancy but incredibly backed up by evolution. It is common sense that while discussing the Origin of Life, life must arise from a non living source.

Galileo's conflict with the Church (being the arbiter and interpreter of the Christian doctrine) knowledge. It was the same struggle btw Science and Religion advertising two conflicting "Truths" with separate foundations. Science sees a natural, structured world, Religion sees a supernatural, irrational world. Religion thinks the origin of life has a natural source, Religions dismiss the question entirely. Scientific "truths" shake religious dogmas.

The Bible is yet to be authenticated and logically validated. Religious claims of omnipresence are yet to be confirmed.

lol. @Kay. so what is the non-living source life arose from. is it a one time occurence or it still happens. if it happenened once, that is not science i hope you know. if such still happens, pls give a proof

thelastPope: I don't know what you mean by assumptions. God did not speak to everyone in the old testament obviously because everyone could not have understood his intentions and purposes. The people God used to write the bible had to make big sacrifices by separating themselves for the task. Moses stayed on the mountain for 40 days. He wasn't obviously writing only 10 items in 40days! Some people had to stay for days before they could get any communication because God needed them to be sensitive so as to understand what He told them. In some cases, like that of moses, he had to unlearn things he already learnt for him to understand God

so what sacrifice did writers of the new testament make?
i think the use of the word round for sphere must have been assumed based on the writers understanding of Gods words or what do you think? i think hen must have been laying eggs before then. an egg would have been a better choice of word. except the writer does not know what an egg looks like then

TalkingBird: (2 Peter 1:21) 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.
Under inspiration they wrote what is not contradictory. what equips us for every good work and in serving the most High God in spirit and in truth.

No Contradictions

really! no contradiction. you know or you think or you heard. if you are proved otherwise, what will happen

thelastPope: They wrote exactly what God required of them doesn't mean it was a dictation session. Lol. They didn't write it in God's language. They wrote it in man's language. Look at Nahum 2:4

KJV
The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.

NLT
"The chariots race recklessly along the streets
and rush wildly through the squares.
They flash like firelight
and move as swiftly as lightning."

That was a prophecy about the motor car by Nahum almost 3000 years ago. He tried to describe what he saw. The closest object he could liking it to was a chariot. Of course, he couldn't have called it a motor car. Motor car was actually a name that everyone has come to agree to call it today.

Notice the last 2 phrases: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings. Compared to chariot speeds of those days, the motor car sure looked as "fast as lightnings" to him. And notice that chariots in those days didn't have headlamps or torches. So it was a strange sight to him.

some some assumptions must have been made. just some or what do you think. since some information could not be described perfectly

@talkingbird, ur posts are too lenghty. it takes time to read. did u copy from somewhere?

thelastPope: The bible was not written by God. It was written by men with inspiration from God. That means God showed men things and they tried to describe it with limited language and perspective as best as they could. That is why John could not even describe some of the creatures he saw in the book of revelation. Man is limited in language and perspective. Especially with today's languages like English that are so wishy washy. For example English will say "I love you". That phrase is so ambiguous. But the greek will say "I eros you" or "I philos you" or "I agape you" and you will get the exact import and context and message. That is why we have teachers who have to study and try and help put things in their original perspective.

i thougth they wrote exactly what God requires of them. and not in their own words or understanding

oge4real: I will not engage in this debate until I meet someone who can read the original language in which the manuscript of the Bible was written.

We just quote the Bible to suit our arguments, forgetting that some meanings may have been lost in translation.

."..gap theory" i think

TalkingBird: [i]True Christians [/i]practice peace. They do not engage in wars. No they not, not even in retaliation.

yes. old testament is not relevant here. smh

What is Hell?

Those who reject Jesus Christ as the sacrifice for their sin will, according to the Bible, be cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, which is the second death ( edited ). “But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death” (Rev. 21:8 ). Hell is reserved for all who continue to follow earthly pleasures of sin rather than repent of sin and follow Jesus.

how about if the above pple "also" believe in salvation of christ, will they still go to hell?

Islam, on the other hand, teaches that hell is reserved, not for those who reject the saving grace of Christ, but for those who either: 1) fail to have enough good deeds to offset their bad deeds on the day of judgment, or 2) fail to win Allah’s favor and are sent intentionally to hell by Allah’s will. Regarding the judgment, the Qur’an records: “Then shall we question those to whom Our message was sent and those by whom We sent it. And verily, We shall recount their whole story with knowledge, for We were never absent (at any time or place). The balance that day will be true (to nicety): those whose scale (of good) will be heavy, will prosper: Those whose scale will be light, will be their souls in perdition, for that they wrongfully treated Our signs” (Sura 7:6-9) ......................... and the question should be what are good deeds. is good deeds not supposed to promote peace and love. I think this is better that just believe someone else have been punished for the sin you are yet to commit as the christians believe.

thelastPope: Lol. You are funny. Maybe you should a little bit of the social sciences. It might help your perspective. It isn't a misuse of words. It about how man sees his enviroment and how he describes his environment from his standpoint not from the standpoint of objects around him. Do you know someone is actually standing with his head pointed at you somewhere in the world? Do you know there is actually no north or south or east or west? You north is someone else's south and your east is someone else's west. It isn't a misuse of words. You simply described your environment from your standpoint. Its a natural phenomenom. As far as man is concerned, the sun moves, not the earth. It is only in actual academic books that we describe it otherwise.

You are right. The question is will God in/with his knowledge see our environment (which we both agree he created) the way man sees it.
another Question is ...is that part of the Bible Gods word or mans interpretation of Gods word

nathdim: I am not saying d bible is accurate but we need dis religion called Christianity 4 peace 2 prevail I mean real Christian just imagine wat d west will do in middle east if there was no religion or no pope 2 intervene

i once heard a conversation, Muslims are terorists-look at 9/11, and a guy from middle east answered, how many died in 9/11 event. How many died in Iraq/Afganistan attack(bombs). where is the claimed weapon of mass destruction or the built half. Who really is terorising who? i actually became dumb.

Salvation to Where?


in islam, the destination is heaven/paradise. same place Adam and Eve were sent away from. Man now have to show that he deserves to be there as it is not a right as it has been proved with Adams example. It is only grace that can get one there and grace is only for the righteous. if you dont make it there, it is hell. Note that it is more beautiful than anyman can imagine.
If Adam and Eve were in paradise before, will every man have a wife too? Baba Caro and Mama Caro are married, if they make heaven, will they be strangers or married?

phantasm: Using your arguement, let me ask you a question:
What is an annihilator? What is a creator? And differenciate between the two SCIENTIFICALLY...

(Only your answer counts here. I would disregard anyone who answers the question either in your behalf or not. And I will know if you google it out.).

If you can answer, answer. If you can't just say: I just wanted to drive out a point to you based on your arguement...

with the word "SCIENTIFICALLY", i dont know what u mean. annihilator is to end/kill something and creator is to make something from nothin.
what is the point

in Islam, Adam and eve sinned and was sent down from the garden scartered. will the christians say that even at that, he did not realise that he sinned or that he did not seek for forgiveness?
in islam, Adam sought for forgiveness saying.." may lord, verily i have wronged my ouw soul if you do not forgive me, i will be of the loosers". and his lord forgave him. it was after then that he and eve found themselves again.
afterall, the bible also said that the non-sinner will not be punished for the sinner.

In Islam, only God`s grace can grant salvation. and his grace can only be for those who do good. if really God were to weight Good with Bad, who will survive it? no one. but based on your Quest to do good, the good you have done and after having shown obedience to his commandments, you will be of the successful... that is the promise in the Quran. those are the ones who will benefit from his grace that day

this is a very wrong representation of Islam. in Islam, God is the closest to man.

phantasm: Consider this statement:
The man left his room with the LAMP on. When the wife returned and entered the room, she found that the temperature was high for the husband left the LANTERN on.......
Lamp is a common name for any source of light.


Let's assume that the word "Round" was used 10years ago to describe a ball. Today, we have a word used to describe more specifically the shape of a ball which is sphere. Would it be wrong to use those words interchangeably since we've all be calling a ball 'round' before we conclude that a '3D round= sphere.'?

Even today, football is fondly called by some people the "round object" or "round ball".... Besides, both words could be applied to describe different objects or events in the book you mentioned and there is no crime using the words to desribe "1 object".

Also, the common name or description of Circles, Spheres and even some imperfect curves is ROUND. The bible was written in simple Languages and at some time, when complex words or logics are used, they are explained in the bible itself. The Bible explains itself...

so who was called Jesus before him. or do you know how many words in the dictionary today that exist only in the bible. or does the Bible God not know that the actual word is sphere then, or that it is a better word to use.

Kay 17: Your interpretation fills huge gaps with possibilities without considering the vast possibilities can also be filled in those gaps and too complicated.

The Genesis account mentioned 7 days. The account already provided the time measurement, why disregard it? Or is that the sacrifice to force an agreement with the present scientific view?

this is similar to the fact that God cannot be understood or known beyond what Jesus and "the prophets" said about him. cos every other speculation of the creator and cration are mere speculation without validation

Kay 17: In your belief, what was the consequence of Joshua's command?

the Question is "who said that was the consequence, or that there must be a consequence?"

towards the last days, man will be in a lost state (from Gods path)......... what is d God`s path?

miqos02: the wall of jericho fell down flat.

One wall was excavated by Sir Charles Warren in 1868 at the request of the Palestine Exploration Fund. He dug through the mud bricks of the wall without realizing what it was, suggesting there was little interesting at the site. Ernest Sellin and Carl Watzinger excavated Jericho between 1907 and 1909 and found the remains of two walls which they initially suggested supported the biblical account. They later revised this conclusion and dated their finds to the middle Bronze Age (1950-1550 BC).[3] The site was again excavated by John Garstang between 1930 and 1936, who again raised the suggestion that remains of the upper wall was that described in the bible

this is simply related to history. guy!

thelastPope: The bible is not an academic book. The bible is more like a report or description of events for people to know and understand the meaning of life. The writers goal was not to be scientifically on point. It sought not just to describe events but to view it in terms of the why, how, when and what. Most of the time, the writers concentrated on God,s perspective of things.

yes, but that man misuse words (i.e sun rise in ....) is not a reason for the bible to misuse words too. God created this things and know better. His book should show this

it seems xtins refer to the old testament when it suits them.
1was Jesus worshiped when he was alive.

thelastPope: Your question is actually funny because in geography, we are told that the sun rises from the east and sets on the west. The same way the bible writer described that the sun stood still. Its funny that thousands of years later, scientists and everyone including you still use the same term. So your question is out of place.

Naturally, man describes the moon and sun from his position. A scientist doing an experiment or doing a journal will definitely use more specific description.
That is why a writer will call the moon light just the same way we refer to it as moonlight today. Or haven't you ever used the term moonlight? Do you normally say "baby, let's enjoy the moon as it reflects light from the sun"? No! You just say "baby, let's enjoy the moonlight".

Maybe you will have to go change all the geography textbooks and argue that the sun does not rise from the east and sets in the west but rather the earth falls from the west and rises on the east! You get the picture?

dont you think the bible should know better since it is Gods word as you claim

damilarelr: Don't hang yourself yet until you find the truth. Do away with facts, Science is just there to explain/prove the acts of God through men as recorded in the Bible.

That battle day was not 24 hours..but 30 hours. The extra 6 hours had to be summed up every 4 years to make 1 day, usually added to a leap year, hence 365 1/4 days in a year. If you don't get it now, I can't explain any further.

is the battle over? then it is already a past. the period of a past event can not affect the future...thats not the reason for leap year. science has expalined that the earth revolves round the sun in an orbit in free space.
due to other forces in space, it sometimes miss its orbit and forms another orbit. the time that it misses it orbit must be accounted for. and who says the earth revolves for 365 1/4 days. this is just a reference. the actual word is "about" or in the leap year, how many days is the revolution?

pls is there a christian Allah? just curious

damilarelr: Because when you reconcile yourself to God and ask something from Him according to His words in prayer, He answers. What proof do you need again?

ask sango worshipers if sango answers prayer. pls give a more concrete reason