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gbigbega: this guys is just happy that is post made frontPage and he wants to keep it running, fanning his ego. I know your type; you bask is vain glory, you find pleasure in exalting your personality and making people feel you are somebody while you are not. I have seen people like you. one thing i know about your type is that they dont amount to anything and are never satisfied with what ever they have or accomplish and so exagerates it to anoybody who cares to know. Sometimes they sit and just imagine impossible great things happen to them(like becoming a superman)but they never do anything. It is a terrible ego disorder.

You'd better seek help quick bro. So much ado about nothing.

I indeed wish to become a super-human. Is wishful thinking a bad thing? How has it stopped anyone from doing whatever they please.

Anyways I'm serious about the OS thing, but most of y'all may deem it impossible and ludicrous if I describe the Concept in detail here.

And seriously stating, you don't know my type, you may believe you know.

gbigbega: you are absolutely correct. We are not all made foolish.

Exactly my point

2buff: ^^^
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I see this thread is still going on and that the OP is still just ego-trolling.
If he were truly interested in doing what he says he wants to do, he would be on google, not nairaland.

It would only make sense if he were on nairaland simply because he was trying to build a team...but apparently that is not also what he is doing. Unless ofcourse the best way to create a team these days is to tell them how superior you are to them (though you lack even rudimentary skill) and to utter remarks like "Tell me something I don't know", "I already know that", and "That's why we are not of the same making".

It's obvious the purpose of this thread is mostly to satisfy a mental fantasy of his. He's just trying to feel like "the lone hero". You know, like that guy in that movie that went against 20 men armed with assault rifles, in broad daylight, and killed them....with a pistol...that never needed to be reloaded. Except this time, his heroic task is to write an "competitive OS (aka enough to give WMLAI a run for their money) all on his lonesome.

I can just see it now. In hollywood this is something that would be represented by a 65 second flick, with orchestral deterministic, epic music playing in the background and artistic camera scenes (and lines of code flashing on the screen), as the lone coder, smarter than everyone else in the entire damn world, creates the epic OS. After wards he stands up after the 65th second and says "Finished" with a big cheeky, smart-alec grin on his face.

...Real life is much more humbling unfortunately.

2buff 2buff 2buff,

You think I'm ego trolling

May I ask, what is your forte in the realm of computer?

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gbigbega: Like i told you initially, i have an OS idea that is also revolutionary but i didn't attempt it because i know, as a programmer, that its a task i can never do on my own. Reason why you go about talking about it is because you have no idea what you are talking about.

That's why we are not of the same making

ciphoenix: the OP is talking metaphysics

funny

Correct but not funny

booqee: But arabic coulda been borrowed from yoruba too. Don't you think its possible?? :-/

Osun bless you for that excellent rejoinder. Your answer is here, darling: https://www.nairaland.com/1218588/clarification-those-common-yoruba-words

booqee: Yes i ask, why can't there be an atheist section??
Seriously its getting really sickening and boring when you open almost every christian thread, and you see these bunch of atheist(and satanist too) trying to create diversion and seeking fault in some christian doctrine and practices even when none obviously exist.
Now i know everyone is free to air their opinion,.but i think it'll be wise if seun or mukina can have it that a sub section be created in the religion section solely for the atheist where they can vent all their angers on christianity and air their hateful opinion of the Most High.. Now any christian who goes to their section to argue issues with them is just on their own..as it is their section.
I just find it so annoying that atheists and even satanist as well have to always derail a already wonderful and inspiring thread.
I guess its to reduce religious wars and probably to ensure respect for other people's religion and their ideologies thats why a sub section was created for islam.
"to avoid been banned, ensure ur post is not offensive to islam" is now wat you see when you want to comment on any islamic thread.
if muslim's can enjoy such immunity from both christians and atheist, why can't the christians enjoy same too??
Members and moderators, what is your own opinion on this??

Yesterday I replied Pagan9JA in a thread where he protested his unwarranted ban stating why we need to start our own site strictly for the discussion of Skepticism, A'theism, Paganism, by today it has been removed. Nairaland is now TyrantLand. Make them come hide this post.

The Arbiter: The Arabic roots of many contemporary Yoruba words has been investigated. Titled “On Arabic Loans in Yoruba,” it was written by Professor Sergio Baldi, a well-regarded Italian linguist, who presented it at the Annual Conference on African Linguistics in California, USA, in March 1995.

It is a cunning untruth that certain of several words were borrowed from Arabic. There is no item of objects, and noun the Yorubas never had a term or descriptive word for. Any Yoruba man deep in his/her native tongue, genuine Ifa scholar or practitioner (Babalawo) will agree that there exists many ohun(word) and terminologies in Ifa that no one or few people can decipher there meaning. It is true that some words were loaned injected into the Yoruba vocabularies as a result of heavy Arab influence contamination in Odudua Land for two centuries before the Europeans came to West Africa. This fact is either deliberately ignored by Professor Sergio Baldi or feigns to be completely ignorant of. It is very important to point out that the model Farooq A. Kperogi adopts to link certain Yoruba words to Arabic roots is moribund. Him and others like him who have attempted to connect several contemporary Yoruba words to Arabic appears to have done so on the basis of appeal. They have always failed to consider the possibility of coincidence. I 'ghostofsparta' have detected words in Yoruba that bear semblance with words of the same meaning in the English language, it would be preposterous of me to conclude that one originates from the other when they are obviously a matter of coincidence. Words like:


YORUBA: Simi ẹdọ
Meaning: Relax/Calm down
Etymology: Simi(rest) ẹdọ(liver)
Usage: Ọgbẹni simi ẹdọ (Mister, calm down)
ENGLISH: Simmer down
USAGE: Hey bro, you need to simmer down

YORUBA: Rùn
Meaning: Wreck/demolish
Usage: Fashola ti rùn ilé wọn
ENGLISH: Ruin
USAGE: He's life is in ruin.
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will add more later

The Arbiter: Below are excerpts from the article as presented by Farooq A. Kperogi.

Abere. This Yoruba word for “needle” traces its etymology to the Arabic “ai-bra,” which also means needle.

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Abẹ means razor/blade in Yoruba, implying that our Yoruba forefathers had a cutting tool to shave off unwanted hair, slice material and trim their fingernails. Abẹrẹ on the other hand means needle in Yoruba language and shouldn't be traced to Arabic because of the similar sounding 'ai-bra'. Anyone who disagrees is indirectly agreeing that the Yorubas in their advancement never had a means of mending bata(footwear)and sowing asọ(cloth), hence he/she should then explain to us how the Arabs taught the Yorubas the technology of Asọ-Oke and Asọ-Ofi making? Had it been the Arab word for blade/razor sound like the Yoruba abẹ, they'd say it's Arabic in origin.

The Arbiter: Adura. This is the Yoruba word for prayers...It is derived from the Arabic “du’a,” which also means prayers.

Adura is not a Yoruba word for prayer. It is one of those word that were injected into Yoruba language. Like I said, there is no Yoruba word, including 'electron' that the Yorubas never had a word for. But which has been lost through time, others have been subtlety replaced over centuries due to Islamic presence in Yoruba Land for centuries. The genuine Yoruba word for prayer is Iwure as spoken of Ifa. To Wure is to pray/propitiate the Irunmoles (deities).

The Arbiter: Alubosa. This Yoruba word for “onion” was borrowed from the Hausa “albasa,” which in turn borrowed it from the Arabic “al-basal.

It is agreed that Alubosa is of Arabic origin. The original Yoruba generic word for onion has either being lost or forgotten given the heavy contamination of Arabic attempted domination as already explained. Onions is native to Yoruba land, thus, the original word for onion is still retained in the dialect of the various tribes that makes up Yoruba ethnic group.

CONCLUSION
They are several Yoruba words that seems borrowed from Arabic, but the truth is YES, few words were obviously borrowed as discovered, but another underlying truth is, it wasn't in a borrowed sense as stated by Wikipedia or mentioned in some thread on Nairaland, the original Yoruba words and designations were actually replaced with corrupted Arabic versions, but any reasoning true Yoruba should note that whenever he/she is provided with skewed origins of Yoruba words connecting to the Arabs, he/she should analyze it by asking "does it mean my fore-fathers never had an original word/term/name/ for this tool, noun, object, verb, action etc". before proceeding to ask "couldn't it be the other way round".

seunajia: Looool.

I brought up "The evidence" to back up my post on the origin of the Yoruba according to oral tradition that states the Yorubas came from Mecca. The Yorubas are making/made the claim. Thus I didn't expect to be asked such a question or be asked to explain why the "so called evidence not prove that the Arabians migrated from Yorubaland"

The oral tradtition you keep hammering on is IFA, and there's no passage in Ifa that acknowledges Arabia/mecca muchless of the Odua people coming from Mecca. As a matter of fact IFA states that all homo-sapiens spreaded from otu-ife. Like I said:

The idea that Yorubas emigrated from mecca is a fallacy crafted by Yoruba Islamists spin doctors who by distorting the genuine origin of the Yorubas hence re-planting it in semitic root knowing not only would such spurious lies appeal to Yoruba muslims converts who will not only be glad to welcome the thoughts of his Yoruba ancestors having ancient linkage with the Arabs but also for the purpose of having it disseminated to the rest of the non-muslims Yorubas and christians.

Rgp92: [size=20pt]Exodus from the Near East
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According to recent research, the dynastic tradition of Oyo confirms the validity of the claim of the court traditionists (arokin) that the ancestral Yoruba emigrated from Syria-Palestine after the fall of the Assyrian Empire in 612 BCE. Owing to the assistance of the Egyptian army during their final struggle, the deported people from the eastern Assyrian provinces who had been resettled in the western provinces of the empire were able to follow the retreat of the Egyptians towards the Nile valley, whence they continued their flight to sub-Saharan Africa.[4]

? !!!!! !

I have heard and read many that are far worse than that ^ e.g. outrageous falsehoods that - resting in the supposedly undisturbed grove of bilikisu(an islamic name) is Queen Sheba and the utter nonsense that Odudua came from Mecca. The truth is that these and many other fallacies were crafted by Yoruba Islamists spin doctors who by distorting the genuine origin of the Yorubas thus re-planting it in semitic root knowing not only would such spurious lies appeal to Yoruba muslims converts who will be glad to welcome the thoughts that his Yoruba ancestors have some ancient linkage with the Arabs but also for the purpose of having it disseminated to the rest of the non-muslims Yorubas and christians.

Any genuine pagan Yoruba knows the truth as canonized from Ìfá

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Banned by maclatunji in Islam for Muslims for Deliberately altering and misrepresenting a Quranic verse .. Ban expires on 8:45am On Nov 24, 2015 .

why such a long ban? this is unwarranted! This Man is a DICTATOR.

also i could still understand if he did this immediately after removing the post. But this Boko Haram man banned me nearly 2-3 days after the topic was deleted, implying that this is clearly a REVENGE BANNING.

dont muslims tell lies about Paganism and Traditional Religions what happens if i slightly altered a quranic verse? so what? maybe i was ignorant of the actual one. . THIS IS UNCALLED FOR!

MACLATUNJI, ACCEPT OLODUMARE AS YOUR TRUE LORD OR ELSE THOU SHALT DROWN IN GARRIFIRE! [/quote]Pagan9JA It's banning spree o! They removed my post sha for stating we should start our own forum. I hope you read it?

Billyonaire: Stop sounding so perfected in knowledge of existentialism. Try metaphysics for a change. There is almost room for more exposition.

I'm not sounding perfect. Merely just pointing out that there are a lot of worthless stuff one shouldn't bother musing over. What do you understand as metaphysics? Perhaps, pick an interest in your own native African deities.

Billyonaire: This happens to be the beginning of the Bible, and the most important paragraph in the Bible, it seems to explain the evolution of existence, so brilliantly but I think most certainly we have lost the definition of the word. What is this word ? "In the being was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God. So was it in the beginning with God, all things were made by him (it), and without him (it) was nothing made, that was made.

The bolded is enough to confuse God himself if he reads such from whoever drunk author wrote it. I tell you there's is no God but the Irunmoles as manifested by energies still provable today.

billyonaire: Simple Analogy: Word was with God, Word is God, Everything is made from Word, Nothing exist that doesnt come from Word. Let's define energy, Energy can never be created, nor destroyed, can be converted from one form to another, Energy is all in existence and is embodiment of all that there is. If Word was God, it does mean Energy is .........all that there is. Then logical thinkers will say, energy isnt conscious, but living things are.....but I will say, find the missing link, the moment we discover that, we will create new planets. Let's I forget, a new planet was formed by dark energy last week. I also conducted an experiment in my bathroom 2 days ago that prove that what we call black holes are actually the precursor of the revolutionary force that revolves the planet aside the gravitational magnetism. The entire Galaxy is in a pipelike tunnel and what we call space isnt vacuum, space is particulate. The more I know, the more I discover how little we know as humans.

Even theologians knee the Bible was complex, but in order for their job to be relevant they somehow had to make sense of it which today becomes more complex. Just drop it and stop trying to make it more complicated by compatibilizing it with science.

Logicboy03 I can see yoooooou. Have you eaten them, you know who

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]anywayz OP are you sure you are an atheist you seem to have strong Pagan inclinations and even think like 1. what is your tribe? If you are Yoruba, are you initiated into Ifa Orisha? if not, I can provide you with the contact of the Chief Babalawo of Lagos to be initiated/reconverted back to Ifa Orisha religion.[/quote]You know you and I are buddies, but I wish you erase most of your post on Shango, Jakuta and Olodumare.....you are so so wrong about them in many ways. Believe. And as regarding your question...I consider myself an A'theist instead of an Atheist. Don't ask me why or how, one day I will explain in an lengthy thesis.

striktlymi: Is this thread not meant for the God debate? And who says the Greeks do not have their own traditional beliefs about God?

Yes this was about the God debate in terms of the existence of the English term 'God' which by default refers to the Abrahamic monotheistic deities of Yahweh and Allah, particularly their purported efficacy when called upon as claimed by their inspired and divinely revealed books until you and some began to steer the topic towards the distortion of another subject entirely which I not only specialize on but also felt the need to clarify.

striktlymi: Do you have any idea what it means to experience something??

Yes I do, I believe I have experienced hallucination twice in my life so far. And please do note that offering of personal experiences as means to validate a claim remains subjective. However, numerous supernatural claims in IFA cosmogony, as of the Irunmoles and their capabilities can be objectively demonstrated thus proven unlike the Abrahmic God(s), angels and Satans which have never and can't be proven to have either existed or exist demand faiths for their supposed existence.

striktlymi: The discuss between I and pagan wasn't about the Ifa.

But the both of you were unknowingly touching finger1ng elements that are exclusive ONLY to IFA.

striktlymi: If you are not aware that Oludumare is the principal agent of creation in the Yoruba creation mythology then there is no need reading further!

You asking me what you actually need to ask yourself, to know whether you are indeed correct. I have point out certain errors to authors regarding Ifa's Eledumare/Olodumare which they corrected on the basis of cogent reasons and analysis which you are obviously ignorant of.

You obviously know nothing, Olodumare is roleless according to IFA. Six Irunmoles were tasked by Olodumare to create humanoid. I won't go into the details, you sound like you know but you know nothing. No further discussions.

Oooooooooogun o! Pagan9ja and striktlymi almost turned this topic into Greek myths debate and self-identity share zone. Most of it all, they've both being refeeding themselves erroneous accounts of what isn't it.

striktlymi: Well pagan, I do understand the case for Olodumare and true to your words, I must say that I have experienced him but I can't say same for Zeus. Oludumare like you said is ascribed as the 'Creator God' but Zeus is ascribed the god of thunder and lightning. This should be equivalent to a Songo. Though he is known as the father of God's but he came to meet creator as he was given birth to.

Nobody is capable of experiencing Olodumare. I know what I am saying, I won't go deep into that. Olodumare can't be compared to any foreign deistic personality. None of you have studied IFA, even though I'm so sure not in a deeply analytical and intellectual sense. I know what I am talking about otherwise I won't have read so many errors passed off as genuine whereas it is what the both of you think it ought to be. I'm blaming none of you because I for one very much understand that your opinion was formed under the influence of the Christeo-Islamic scope applied. How can you say Olodumare is a creator God, it shows you like so many Yoruba Christian lots (who praise Oloduamare in the Christian churches under the false assumption that it's the same Jeovah) know nothing about the traditions especially the ancient ancestral cosmogony of your fore fathers, much less the role and real title of Olodumare. Like I said, I won't go into that on this particular topic but desist from comparing the incomparables in order to suit half baked knowledge.

striktlymi: Olodumare on the other hand is very different. He is the ultimate source of life which is a quality Zeus does not share. If we cannot attribute creation to Zeus then why place him at per with Olodumare?

My black brother, kindly stop this miseducation, the clergies in Yorubaland have done already and are still doing enough damages, a lot do come here to learn and not to get more confused. Olodumare isn't Zeus. Olodumare isn't YHWH, Olodumare isn't Jeovah, Olodumare isn't God of the Christians, Olodumare isn't Allah, Olodumare is...(not here)just watch out for <<RAPS<< coming one day.


@striktlymi
That's were you and so many who assume to know about the Yoruba mythology cosmogony fails. You know nothing at all when someone intellectually researched in Yoruba sciences are talking. To start with, Olodumare is not a he. No verses in Ifa states its sex, therfore No Babalawo knows the gender of Olodumare as stated in Ifa. A lot in our universities and academia always make the mistake of equating the Yoruba cosmogo-paganism with mythologies. Mythology is neither true nor false which is completely different from cosmogony or ancestral belief systems. The Irunmoles in the Yoruba pantheon are reflected within the Yoruba culture, society, practice, namings, philosophy and can be proved to have existed at a primordial time through what I call YAS. YAS is the only way certain Irunmoles can be proven to exist. And if one or two, perhaps three Irumoles are proved to exist or have existed through the observable application of YAS, therefore the rest of the Irunmoles exists which can also only mean that either the ancients Yorubas of Old have either been visited created by said advanced intelligent race called Irunmoles as according to IFA or have themselves perfectly conceptualized certain forces by the most advanced race of the homo-sapiens through YAS, what does that makes the Abrahamic deities ? Lies! Lies! And confusion. Any practicing babalawo or Ifa sholars shouldn't fall for the subtle trap of indirectly accepting that the Yoruba Olodumare is a He. It is as a result of heavy Christeo-Islamic influence in Yoruba Land.

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striktlymi: Good morning Ghost,

This thread is quite amusing to me. I am not Mr. Tunji or David but...

How so amusing?

I am also tired of hearing people say that there is no God but this does not mean that they cannot say so when they feel like it. Anyone who holds that at least one deity exists has the inalienable right to express his or her beliefs whether we like it or not.

Won't you deem it odd and tiring for people to say everyday, here and there Zeus or Wolverine exist when there is actually no proof of them existing rather than in the Greek myth and comic books they belong to, unlike the availability of evidential proof of electron existing both in book and reality.

Like I mentioned everyone has a choice...if one choose to call on the name of the devil as his personal lord and saviour then so be it. At least there is one advocate666 who propound the teachings of the devil. The trick is, we are all free to express ourselves to the extent that our freedom does not impede on the rights of someone else.

True everyone has a choice but would you feel convenient if my choices asserts that, thatever your choices are, there are unexercisable given their heretic deviation on a basis fundamental to my choice. If I practice my Shango, you'll support those who will kill me for believing in what you are have been programmed to perceive as a false/idol god. Advocate666 and the likes of him on Nairaland are just as confused as so many blacks Christians and Muslims converts born as blacks in the land of the blacks, eats and bear black foods and name and passionately defends a religion that is non-black.

My usage of the word 'black' is even improper, but just for the sake of referring to the Negroid race.

musKeeto: If any of the Gods exist, there's little proof for them, except the 'created' for which they all claim to be the 'creator'.

Haven't we learnt this much so far?

musKeeto, @the bolded.^
I'm re-adjusting my stand. I believe there's NO proof of the existence of any God/god. The word God/god itself isn't Yoruba nor Benin nor African as a matter of the fact. However, there is evidential proof for the existence of the Yoruba's Irunmoles and Orishas through their efficacy after what I call contactivation™. Any of the 401 Irunmoles making up the Yoruba pantheon is not and does not in any sense fit into the white man's concept of God or Deity. So if we are to go by the definition of a deity which the Abrahamic God belongs to, it would be absurdly improper to equate the concepts God with the Yoruba's Irunmole or Orisha. God is God. Irunmole is not God/deity. Irunmole is Irunmole. Eshu is not satan. Eshu is Eshu. Satan the Jewish deity of Evil is disprovable likewise Zeus, Apollo, Harry Potter, Spiderman and Darkseid - the most evil ever conceived by human Darkseid. If a skeptic demand the existence of the Yoruba Eshu, an Irunmole(not a god, deity or demon). Like all the Irunmoles, there are numerous observable supernatural effect resulting from the contactivation of Eshu or application of Eshu sciences. Each of all these Irunmoles are not only unique in terms of their capability contactivated and speciality when propitiated. Yes, I could agree from an atheistic or scientific point of view that the said capabilities I'm attesting to are energies and forces yet undetectable to modern science though part of our reality are attributed to the Yoruba Irunmoles hundreds of thousands years ago before the Euro-Arab interventive mutilations and distortions of our Original ancestral belief system.

seyibrown: am trying to show you that God exists

Exists in your house or church? Where so we can go see him, and which God by the way?

alfaman2: what if god exists? what then?

Exists where?

solidbroda: I have come across many people whose Gods are different and yet they are accomplished in life. And yet some people also serve the God of atheism as some people also serve different Gods of theism. As for Me, I serve the God of Jesus, who they also call the God of Jacob in christianity and things are working fine. My muslims brothers can also testify to their Allah (the most merciful), the Hindus also can testify to the works of their creator, Jewish, Budhah etc.
Kindly share your God in your religion and how wonderful he is and been. I believe no God is superior to one another... We all have different medium of serving our God.

If you are negro, you're supposed to propitiate the Gods of your negro ancestors not the semitic non existing God. If you believe no God should be superior then why do the Christian says Jeovah is the King of all Kings, and the Muslims says Allahu akbar(Allah is the greatest)? Those are the basis of war and conflict. Their adherents use those claims to perpetrate inhuman atrocities in the name of your god/orisha/irunmole is inferior, false, idol, pagan, demon etc therefore I must enslave you, steal your resources as my God commanded.

A'THEISM is the future of the world.

That's where the truth is.

<<RAPS<< watch out

I am tired of hearing God this, God that on Nairaland. There's hardly any topic on this forum without at least ten commenters bringing religion to it.

When I visit websites, discussion forums and blogs of people whose fore-father's shoved down the throats of our already stunned fore-fathers foreign religions that now appears to have become the only yardstick black folks today measure everything by, I can't help but to wonder why none of their comments bears statements like "according to the word of God" "the Bible says" or words like Satan, Demon and devil. Even if it's noticed regardless of which of the topic I hardly see them use said words in a religious context. This makes me wonder if our ancestors usually call on something as an excuse of explanation as prevalent today as reflected here on Nairaland.

I believe God exists but surely not the Abrahamic God which is certainly the source of the black man's misery. It is confusing to grasp. In God they trust, God's own country they claim but they aren't all godly. Why can't they just turn the other chick rather than building stealth fighters costing billions of dollars. Only a fool would.

Every Nigerians blacks here neglect their own deities and embrace the semitic unprovable, non-existing God. They think of their deities as demons and agents of satan. Has the term - Satan/demon been present in the vocabularies of native tongue? It's only takes heavy mental slavery and continual colonialization for a Japanese to believe Ōhoyamatsumi (大山積神) a war god, is actually one of the agents of Satan the Devil.

Can the semitic God(Yawheh/Allah) be pitted with even Ogun (Yoruba Deity of Technology) in terms of efficacy? Much less of Olodumare - the God of the gods(irunmole/orishas).

I believe If any doubting reader and I were to establish a trust over a multi-million Naira project with the supposed power of the Holy Books, any one of us could abscond with the money if the deals clicks knowing that nothing will surely happen, but such can't happen if an oath of sincerity was taken in the presence of an activated native deity whose department is of such purpose.

I am using this opportunity to call on the two most seemingly intelligent religious apologists Davidylan and MacLatunji to provide us A'theists, irrefutable evidential proof for the existence of either God of the Abrahamic religions in terms of efficacy.

No insult and offensive word.

hrhobi1: I can't argue with you, but I have some questions for you. Are you a christian ? Do you believe satan exist?? And who told the white men don't have their own demons?? How old are you ?? Please go to bed .

What is Satan called in your native language?

[quote author=A-town]This is 2013 people. Come on. Wake up. Which yeye demon. Abegi. Why is it only in 3rd world countries that people always cry demons/spiritual attacks. It does not take Isaac Newton to deduce the reason. POVERTY and ILLITERACY. I ask again. Do we serve a different GOD? Why Oyinbo no dey get these problems?
If we can stop ridiculous beliefs like : killing twins because they thought they were demons, killing albinos, thinking sickle cell children that die are witches, etc, why is it so hard to also accept that some of these things you dwell on are self inflicted and nothing but your BRAIN playing games on you. Are you aware that a mad man thinks every other sane person is crazy? The BRAIN is a powerful tool and can manipulate a lot of the things we see/experience/understand. Wake up. The only demon worrying you and your sister is lack of enlightenment.[/quote]This thread can be likened to an experiment that tells the outside world that Nigeria comprises of 95% of demon-believing mentally enslaved non thinking people. There's no hope for the black race of Africa. The whites have indeed won.

davidylan: Funny, considering you would rather whine here redemanding already provided answers (on multiple threads here) since you are more bent on ferreting for loop holes than finding real answers. Perhaps you should also consider directing your questions to theologians who may be better able to explain them to you. who knows, you pointing out those "flaws" you all seem to find may cause them to revise the bible to your liking no?

There in a nutshell is how atheist hypocrisy works... they cant answer any questions... they hide their ignorance of the "science" they promote by asking you to "go and read". why arent they "reading" the bible rather than whining here?

With all consideration, I swear you are confusing.

matrix4u: I am equally having similar issues here. As they say two good heads are better than one. Lets join hands and see if we can make our dream happen. Add me on facebook with Isaac.Onuwa1 or 2go with matrix4u. Or send an email to matrix4u2002@gmail.com. Thank you and am anticipating hearing from you

Ogbeni cool down first. Let me ask you, do you believe in the supernatural?

youngchopper: op do u believe dat satan do exist? Even native doctors knows dat there is God. There are powers on earth. If u search deep in u. U will knw dat there is God and christianity is real. Av u heard about blood money? In ur dictionary does it exist?

If by native doctors you happen to be referring to Babalawos and or Onisegun of Ile Odua, then you are one of many who have brainwashed by Pastors and Imams to think the God of the abrahamic faiths is the same as that of the African God. They are never and will never be the same.

<<RAPS<< watch out