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crossfire: Game programming is simply out of this world, look at the minimax algol. Try developing a simple chess program. Or simply look at the source of "stockfish". (Stockfish is an open source chess program).I've looked at an early version of LINUX called MINIX ( i'm talking of hundreds of thousands of lines of code) and my little lazy brain could wrap around some of the concepts and data structures (I'm a software developer, and a chess enthusiast), but anytime i look at the internals of "stockfish" i feel like a child playing with sand. It looks like this program was written by aliens . There is another one called "Robbolito" that's simply crazy inside and except for a few "anonymous" comments on one russian blog nobody really knows who wrote this program .
Now stockfish is a console app that runs through an already developed UI like "arena" so it doesn't touch on graphics. You need an advanced level understanding of maths and physics before you can develop game apps that manipulate the graphics card masterly like as soccer or even car racing games do.
Desktop apps are developed with C++, C# java, python, but games are predominantly created with c. Now unrestricted c is simply mind bending and very unforgiving. I always tell my students that c is the latin of programming languages
Lets not over flog this : game programming != computer programming.

Well said, but how are game engines like Crytek's CryEngine(s) made? Also do game programming simply means developing an engine that efficiently control and governs all the constituents of an intended game?

lordZOUGA: you need a team sir and lots of passion and money too..

Regarding the team, I will both agree and disagree because I think one only needs a team when it reaches a complex state because I don't think Bill Gates started with a team. The Windows idea was his from scratch but as it evolved in time, imperatively a team should sufficed for its advancement. Passion - Yes, but this society na wa o! I know a guy through my cousin who could metaphysically make two people communicate over a each other through what I call YAS (Yoruba Advanced Sciences aka juju), the rustic dude told me when I advised him to technologize it that it's our over religious brothers and sisters that will first of all kill the passion to attempt that. LordZOUGA I'm sure you know the kind of society Nigeria is when it comes to thwarting of passions and dreams as any one can see in this thread. There was this guy sometimes ago who came back from overseas and made a Android based tablet for the Nigerian market, I doubt if anyone welcomed or bought it, I'm sure the guy would feel bad seeing Nigerians going crazy about S3s, S4s and Notes.

lordZOUGA: I'd advice you to study the linux OS. no need to start from scratch.

Why is Linux important as a quick break-through to OSdev, why not C, or any other.

WhiZTiM: this is going to be an interesting topic.
Windows 7 is believed to be above 80 million lines of codes. How are you gona beat that?

Why should I beat that? Am I suppose to be intimidated with the 80million code lines everyone is discouraging me with, you just typify those Nigerians who believes since it took the United States 200 years to attain a perfect quasi democracy, therefore Nigeria must tread through such long years. For your information, there are certain missiles like the Iron Dome and certain TomaHawks whose sophistication is beyond 200 million self-generating ultra-AI oriented code lines.

WhiZTiM: Operating systems are the most difficult software to write from scratch.

Who doesn't know?

WhiZTiM: Not to discourage you, go and read about Kernels, Filesystems, ... Before going far... I did suggest you check out Minix. www.minix3.org, its probably the smallest and useable industrial strength Operating System available...
Its a few tens of thousands lines of code. If you understand the codes and working architecture fully, then you may proceed in taking out the next 7yrs of your life developing an OS.

@bolded^^^: Only useful piece out of everything you wrote

WhiZTiM: Before studying minix, you have to be a Veteran in post graduate level Mathematics, Systems Programming, algorithms, etc.

Tell me, is Bill Gates or Kevin Mitnick a mathematician? ofcourse who doesn't know one needs to employ certain levels of arithmetic to represent a problem in programming. And remember when I said it still depends.

WhiZTiM: Ever heard of "ReactOS"? ...

No, what about it? I'm sure it won't be different from the rest of the pack in terms of its GUI

Ogaga4Luv: This is probably a strange question, but I am going to ask it and see what responses I get - Does anyone feel that they have ever been invisible? I mean that seriously. There have been several times during my life where people have been looking for me, I have been right in front of them and they have looked right at me and not seen me. Later they have sworn that I wasn't there. It is not something I have purposely done, but it seems to have always happened at a time where I am really relaxed and not paying much attention to the world around me.

Guy I believe you. And I think I have an inkling to what's going on with you. You know Nigerians with their "winch mentality" would think you Witch by merely just broaching it with them, just like some in foreign lands think their gifted people "freaks" and "weirdo". I think you somehow still retained certain components either inherited or developed supernaturally that has the attributes of achieving the bending light waves around you. Your ability to do this is triggered by yet an unidentified mental state of yours, this can be also be achievable through the usage of what I call YAS (Yoruba Advanced Sciences) ; what some people derogatorily call juju. Initially, the whites (not being racist) attempted to achieve invisibility, technically known as 'cloaking' through the means of subjecting light-waves to a force that can bend it, actually warping it to such a controllable extent that it has an altering effect to the visible spectrum available to an observer(s) within a given range.

I like to know if you do still experience it?

I know Nigerian people, that's why I don't consider myself a Nigerian, because it also defines those who get their kicks from discouraging others, imagine Kambo's tendency to respond without the unnecessary dampening reply as quoted

Kambo: your post doest take long to betray you as a jjc. you dont even know how to align curly braces in c,c++ yet you want to "write operating systems". chill. bang your head on the languages first,then pick a book and stretch your mind a little

. @bolded, I wonder who asked you? Typical of Nigerians.

Why must you tell me: [

Kambo: it will take you (100 * 100 years to code it up.)

in order for me to drop it. Did he even read my post properly. I wasn't seeking to contend with any OS giant. Kambo, I have attempted shots at Arexx programming on the Amiga computer with no one to rub mind with, that was in the 90s, if not for the unavailability of Amiga users/supporters in Nigeria back then which made me dumped programming for other things I consider interesting who then are you to say "stop fantasizing". Don't you know the poorest in the world are those without dream. Ogbeni go park well jor!

2buff: That being said, As far as the world is concerned today there are only 2 major Operating systems. Windows and unix(i.e Linux).
Both Apple's Mac/iOS and Google's Android are nothing but very different custom linux builds

Please tell me what I don't know, for instance is it a prerequisite anyone interested in OSdev deeding to learn graphics design for the GUI? Do all/ must all operating system follow a definite startup-sequence? What programming language should one focus on for OSdev? or can any P.L. be used to achieve an OS.


See guys, try and understand one thing, I know, we all know it is not mandatory for anyone to follow a particular way of achieving something because it's the only way it can be done. People come up with other ways stuff can be done, Pepsi and Coke are not similar tasting Cola. The whites (not being racist) came up with Kevlar vest and types of bullet proof technology, is it the same as the 'African' type which is based on super-metaphysical principles? If the whites believe to achieve inter-planetary travels in 3000 years time, must everyone think along that particular line to achieve it. If they believe Wave-particle duality is only possible theoretically and to a little practical extent, must one think within that confines when old folks here in villages have been harnessing energies yet unknown to modern scientific laws to achieve REAL teleportation or 'egbe' which they say iT's impossible except ONLY in fiction or probably achievable years far ahead of now. Again, the operating system I am fantasizing about is entirely different to conventional ones. MacOS, Windows, Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora, IronMan OS, etc all share certain uniqueness that defines them as they type of Operating System they are. One I am envisaging is whole new thing entirely. Infact, before I created this thread I have already figured out I don't really need deeeeeeeep knowledge in core programming, though there are certain prerequisites I'm sure one needs to have in mind which is what I am kindly asking for, from those who have hints on OSdev in NL.

These oyibo people sef, sometimes ago someone posted on NL about how they've achieved 'invisibility' through years of deep research in sci&tech, handling the thing like one top-secret babara thing; something certain folks deep inside our villages plays with. I, with others have actually seen someone vanished before into thin air, reappearing ahead in a public sphere and not some stage trick. Now they are showing us the hoaxed video as evidence of true ghost. I personally don't believe in the concepts of the western ghost and spirits, especially those types in movies like Insidious and Ghost Town but if they can bring their video cameras to some places here were certain folks will perform live NECROMANCY for them, then they will realize telling lies is not worth the whole effort on their smoke and long mirror effect tricks.

2buff: A book on OS systems....or Google.

Both of course, but are they books on OS systems? I mean not OS manuals but how OS can be built?

2buff: What the heck is your problem dis pikin? Who send all dis long tori you dey put for here?
Na me start insult?

Mehn aabeg just go code....or whatever it is you do aat night.

For your eyes you don shine abi, well whatever makes you happy sha. I never even start coding FYI! And did you started without Googling anything or do you just hate Google?

2buff: As in, I'm sure knowing this fact from Google has added value to your life and has put food on your table.
I'm going to guess in your head you just heard imaginary people clapping for you after typing all that jazz.

This is why I hate having any form of discourse with your ilk.
The world cares not about just having information. It only cares for how you USE information, to make money.
Wetin concern me with what they used to build windows when I'm too busy building my own things?

I never got that fact informed inquiry from Google, and why are you belligerent. You stand to be corrected, there are two school of thought regarding the harnessed usage of information. Those who believe information should be free and unrestricted and those who believe information should be commercialized. Why I am asking what was used in building Windows isn't different from what I'm asking here: https://www.nairaland.com/1203855/developing-operating-system-what-prerequisites#14435246 , and would by chance be that whatever the things you are busy building happen to be an OS? We can relate without insults. Tnx

I have been honing this idea which has been lingering in my mind for years now. It borders within a concept of a type of OS entirely different from the conventional ones. I'm now self-convinced that it may even give Microsoft's Windows a run for it dominance. Infact it's so beyond both conventional 'styled' and those super-futuristic ones in movies like Iron Man and the remade Total Recall. It's far from what everyone is used to i.e. the likes of Wintel and Linux based ones. But the issue I am having is I can't discuss my 'novel trove' with even my programming pals without divulging the main core concept in the hopes of getting some hints/advice on how to go about it. So since I'm left with the option of having to venture into programming myself, I have done my assignment here and there where I figured the basic differences between C, C++ and C# and why C is the most needed to learn OSdev. I also learned that one shouldn't go into programming having OSdev in mind rather one should learn the languages "In and Out" first of all before thinking of coding 'garri' oriented apps much less of an operating system. I'll have to regard myself a n000b, hence using this thread to solicit ideas, guides and encouraging opinions on how to go about developing an operating system from scratch to perfection. I created this page as a forward to another page where game developers and programmers were being compared, I am aware it's not an easy task to do, some responders may say something like "dude, you need to ask yourself what purpose does your OS cater for" while some folks may say "stick to libraries". All I am asking as a n00b is what are the conditions prior to plunging into developing a totally bootable OS, hardware and software wise.

Thanks

2buff: C++

Wrong. C++ is an improvised ofshoot of C by microsoft for aide Window-centric codings, While C# was created to bear more sophistication and deliberately hardened to distinguish core programmers from hardcore programmers in terms of it leaening curve. Please let the expert answer my question. Thanks.

Javanian: Programming is NOT programming. Most of the 'programmers' i see here only know how to create database applications...

I'm not the type that knows how to argue much...Talk is cheap!..., take a crash course on game programming, graph theories, game trees, or try implementing something as simple as minimax algorithm with Alpha-beta prunning for a simple game like X and O's or even chess. Even try laying your hands on something like dijkstra's algorithm. Try creating an A.I. For any of these games, only then would you understand what i mean...Talk more of creating a more complex games like the Pro Evolution soccer you see. This isn't PHP my brother, this is basically C++ and less of JAVA.

I have a question for you, what was used in developing Microsoft Windows' or MacOS'. I have been keening to know.

econity: only one ghost nai person no go hear something for onyinbo people. What of nigeria wey get more than 50thousand ghost workers wey de collect salaries every month.

extremely funny but TRUE

Javanian: Programming is NOT programming. Most of the 'programmers' i see here only know how to create database applications...

I'm not the type that knows how to argue much...Talk is cheap!..., take a crash course on game programming, graph theories, game trees, or try implementing something as simple as minimax algorithm with Alpha-beta prunning for a simple game like X and O's or even chess. Even try laying your hands on something like dijkstra's algorithm. Try creating an A.I. For any of these games, only then would you understand what i mean...Talk more of creating a more complex games like the Pro Evolution soccer you see. This isn't PHP my brother, this is basically C++ and less of JAVA.

I'm quite surprised to know most of you think the only formidable challenge to programming is game programming. I wonder where you all place OSdevolopment from scratch to finish. Please provide answers to my question here

[A Case of A Radio Host]

https://www.nairaland.com/1202413/open-diary-free-thinker

BetaThings: Specific examples don't general rule make. Do you seriously believe that everyone who is prepared to tell his boss that he had a flat tire (when he overslept and got to work late) will actually steal (eg dipping hand in the till)?. I am not talking about stealing the company's time by lying about
the cause of lateness

Those statements hold true for some but not all
Thanks

That's feigning which is quite different from an outright LIE.
I can't engage you since you obviously got all my point widely wrong

Hi Walexz02

Please don't feel bad. It's not good to identify oneself as such. That's why no one is sharing the experience with you. 1 out of 50 people are born gifted with the o̩wo̩ aje (not ówó aje). It's 10% similar to the foreign idea of 'Midas Touch'.

Availably Yours
Ghost-of-Sparta
Scientific Researcher of The Supernatural

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Historians believe that Yorubas aredescendeed from the Nok civilization while you believe Yorubas are descended from Arabs. i wonder which one is more believable. .

Yes it does give me a right to call your slave. the way you have been fighting for an Arab ancestry shows clearly how much you want to associate yourself and you are fighting for it time and again even after being proven otherwise, and is supose you will continue to do so. .[/quote]Even if they were aware of the atrocities the Arabs and Jews did to the black race and are still doing in certain respect, they will still cling to their brainwashings. Classical case of the Stockholm Syndrome

An Islamist is any human who propagates and emphasizes the doctrines of Islam of the Arab people even despite overwhelming contradictory evidence.
A Jew guy formerly called Joseph Cohen renounced secularism to become a conc muslim in Gaza adopting the name Yousef Al-Kahttab is an example of who an islamist is because, the way he was responding to Baba Richard Dawkins in an interview made me wonder how and why someone can substitute his jewish identity for another.

For those who don't know if you renounce Islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VselUW4Aoxg

seunajia: Where did you get that from?

I told you where I got all these things from including the Pakaja thing. With all sincerity, as with all oral histories some of it may be distorted.
Does that warrant the name-calling?

That I have been discussing ancient Arab history which oral tradition says is my origin as a Yoruba man gives you the right to call me a slave?

One would have expected that you'll dispute the oral tradition by saying you were there instead of calling me names.

Islamist, Slave. Why? Because we're having a debate?

My friend you are indeed a slave to the arab people and religion, even the Arabs wouldn't dare states the almighty Yorubas Oduas came from their desert land. You are a slave by religious indoctrination since child birth, why would you even believe blacks can come from whites when science proves the opposite. Go read Naiwoh Osahon's God Is Black, read about Evolution. And also tell us when has any two caucasians and or semitics ever given birth to a black. You are all &*^%$# SLAVES just like the Yoruba christians in all denominations who believe their first parents were Adam & Eve. You all shouldn't be living here in pagan/black land, Y'all ought to relocate back to Saudi and Israel.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]so you believe in Ancient Arab history but not in Nok Civilization , the percussor of Yoruba Civilization?

you are a slave. this is my final conclusion.[/quote]There's nothing to research on. Ifa is the Odua people's unwritten Bible. Ifa is even undergoing contamination from religionists. They always try to doctor it with their false doctrines. Real Ifa people are able to detect said infections.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]ahahhahahaha i knew you were an islamist from the very begining. thus i marked you immediately as aforger of lies.

That is the dress worn by muslims during Haj.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/10/article-2141961-1305867A000005DC-329_233x510.jpg


^there. i just proved that Yorubas are descended from Ancient Tibetans. they escaped form Tibet to avoid religiosu persecution and Orisha worship and because Tibet was too cold for them.

the proof is the Pakaja worn by this Dalai Lama.[/quote]Excellent point Pagan9JA, let seunajia and justadaq disprove the claim that the Yorubas are from ancient tibet due to the 'pakaja' connection.

Justadaq and seunajia are more than a forger of lies, and there are millions of them in Yorubaland disseminating falsehoods as there are thousands of them here on Nairaland. They know themselves. They easily give themselves out the moment they start acknowledging and praising Arabic things in the guise of bearing Yoruba name.

BetaThings: I disagree. It is a straw man argument to impeach his moral standpoint
Otherwise, tell us a possible metaphorical meaning of that aphorism

That adage is no metaphor nor aphoristic
The true meaning is within the context of a specific situation
He would lie would steal. Is an armed robber not a liar, some thieving politicians do lie.
Religionists lie about prophecies and miracle yet they steal through service-payment, tithing, offerings and other means

all4naija: Seriously, tribes in Nigeria have indentity problem. From Igbo people claiming to be Jews to Yorubas claiming to be similar to Arabs.

A true and genuine Yoruba would never claim his ancestors were from Arabs. There's no connection except for the mouth.

seunajia: Looool.

I brought up "The evidence" to back up my post on the origin of the Yoruba according to oral tradition that states the Yorubas came from Mecca. The Yorubas are making/made the claim. Thus I didn't expect to be asked such a question or be asked to explain why the "so called evidence not prove that the Arabians migrated from Yorubaland"

The oral tradtition you keep hammering on is IFA, and there's no passage in Ifa that acknowledges Arabia/mecca muchless of the Odua people coming from Mecca. As a matter of fact IFA states that all homo-sapiens spreaded from otu-ife. Like I said:

The idea that Yorubas emigrated from mecca is a fallacy crafted by Yoruba Islamists spin doctors who by distorting the genuine origin of the Yorubas hence re-planting it in semitic root knowing not only would such spurious lies appeal to Yoruba muslims converts who will not only be glad to welcome the thoughts of his Yoruba ancestors having ancient linkage with the Arabs but also for the purpose of having it disseminated to the rest of the non-muslims Yorubas and christians.

all4naija: Are some Nigerians from the Middle-East?

It seems so, the likes of seunajia, maclatunji and justadaq, etc are happy to link their ancestors to the middle east. Even White Europeans don't trace their links to Israel, much less Black Africans.

imagine seunajia saying "according to Yoruba oral tradition, the Yorubas emigrated from Mecca. You have a problem with that?"

Can he quote an Ifa passage (odu) to support his 'mecca theory' claim?

Eni to ba pa iro, yo ja ole(A habitual liar will end up a thief)
Eni to ba ja ole, ko ni oju ti(A thief has no shame)
Eni ti ko ni oju ti, yi o pa eniyan(A shameless person will commit murder)

seunajia: I don't follow

[size=20pt]What I meant is, you are one of those Yorubas who believe the Yorubas came from Mecca. Since you kept acknowledging Islamic religion which is parallel with the Arabs. Isn't it absurd for a seemingly pro-Yoruba like you and justadaq and yet claims Islam of the Arab at the same time? How does one reconcile it? Wouldn't it be odd for Budhist-born, imagine a Cantonese speaking Chinese believing in the religious doctrines of Judaism and Yawheh or Tibetans proudly claiming that they are Christians believing in the Heaven and hell-fire. I hope you get the point now? [/size]

seunajia: This thread is not about Afrocentrism or Yorubacentrism, is it OP? If that is your argument then I must tell you denouncing your Islamic name alone does not take you there. There are bigger issues! These are some of the areas I think you should look at.

1. Dressing. An African wearing 3-piece suits (with our weather? ), Jeans, Mini skirts etc. suffers loss of African identity. An African should rather wear our traditional clothes like Kembe, Adire, Alari, Iro ati Buba, kaftan etc.

2. Language. Most African languages are becoming extinct. It is not uncommon these days to meet Africans who command impeccable understanding of another man's language but can barely join or utter few words in theirs. Especially Nigerians! This aside from causing "loss of identity" is shameful and uncomplimentary. Take for example Nigeria, where English is our lingua franca. Why not start a crusade to stop this obvious aberration? CUm mental slavery.

^^There are so many other points, but these appeal to me more. I'll gladly contribute if you start a thread to discuss these issues.

Now, it is not wrong for a muslim to bear a name that is not Islamic in the Arabic sense of it, really, what Islam just enjoins is giving good names. As illustration, there are many Turkish, Iranian and middle Eastern names that muslims bear which are not "Arabic", but are good names with equally good meanings. This serves to quash the dogma that a name is only Islamic when it is Arabic.

Now my grouse with the OP lies here: As a muslim and someone who values my religious heritage, I am happy e.g that my parents gave me a name as Al-Ameen. Because as the Yorubas will say, oruko ma n ro omo.

It does not make me less if I adopt an Islamic name coupled with my numerous traditional names, heck! It portrays I'm a muslim who is proud to be identified as one. Why should I feel uncomfortable that I'm named after a prophet of Allah?

This is what my name Illustrates:

Abubakar Omobowale Balogun.

Abubakar: dude is a muslim
Omobowale: He's Yoruba
Balogun: He's the son of Balogun

I am a muslim and I'm proud of it.

[size=20pt]You are proud your ancestors came from Mecca? I doubt you like so many like you are true Yorubas[/size]