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Toluwarni: My God is real, you know why? I've experienced Him.. I've seen Him work wonders, I've also seen JUJU in action. I could have accepted your challenge to prove to you it won't work where YAHWEH is.. But if i accept it and it doesn't work, Atheists won't say YAHWEH rendered the YAS useless, they'll simply say, it just didn't work.. And there is no spiritual realm..
That's why i want Logicboy, ooman, heatblast, purist and others to accept the challenge

You indeed have a point about wanting atheist to take up the challenge, however, let me ask you, what makes you think YAHWEH is more powerful than that of your ancestors? despite our so called leaders make oaths with their books and nothing happens, why didn't YAHWEH come to the aides of the jews during the holocausts?

sexkillz: [color=#000030]Dumb, deaf, blind, lame pieces of carvings. . . Eyes they have but they cannot see. Ears they have but cannot hear. Mouths they have but they cannot speak. Inanimate objects that'll need the help of mere man before it moves.

I see soyinka sitting among carvings. . . Very fine art.[/color]

Sekkillz, you think they are as deaf, dumb, blind and lame like the statue of Mary Magdalene and Jesus, let me educate you a bit about the Yoruba Ancestral Belief System, see...it's true they are mere carvings made to symbolize whatever identity they're carved for, but there are some of which specific supernatural force/entity has been applied to, for specific purpose. For instance, an Eshu shrine represented by a carving or monument isn't an ordinary one but a highly energized contactivatable. Personally I'll advise you not to, but if you still so much doubt then you are free to desecrate the next carved-symbolic shrine you spot just to prove that they are dumb and deaf idols believed by backward people, just note that no one will defend it by physically attacking you like the religionists are known for, but I assure you that you will come to realize that the 'energized ones' aren't exactly deaf and dumb as you so much think.

ayobase: I thought he is an atheist!

Humorously, I can't differentiate Wole Soyinka from the Gods.....pls, can someone help out!

Professor Wole Soyinka is not an atheist, he is an A'theist like me (Aborisha Theist). He is an Ogun priest devotee. Chinua Achebe, Fela Kuti and [url=http://www..com/talk/topic,130304.0.html]Possu Awarawuru[/url] are all traditionalists.

Logicboy03: It is over christians.....

You guys can not rule the internet. Christianity (religion in general) can not prosper where freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality and available information exists. These four things exist in advanced countries like UK, Japan and Denmark- that is why atheism is strong in these countries....


Worse off, the internet is a place where those four things are in abundance and as such, the internet is where religions come to die....



I have been noticing that once in a while, I get likes from the thread in my signature (arguments against god). These likes used to come randomly but now they are getting frequent to almost every week.

The resident atheists couldnt be the ones liking the thread every week since they were around to see the brouhaha it caused.........

Logicboy not only the likes and the rethink, they are also asking questions and expressing their distrust too, Have you read the 'God Failed Me' thread?, thanks to your unrelenting effort and others like you, let's keep it up.

tobechi20: just wandering,does it have to do with academic performance

Why are most atheist Professor or Scientists is dead WRONG! The correct title should have being Why Are Most Scientists and Professor Atheists? And my answer is, simply because:

1. The abrahamic God haven't the slightest proof of existence much less of being a concept subjectable to experimental test. Unlike the ancestral Yoruba deities like Ogun/Shango/Sopana, who are easily testable/verifiable by defying their taboos(easy proof of existence )

2. Atheists disbelieve not only in Gods and deities, but not in the supernatural, thinking everything that can exist can be analyzed scientifically, which I think it's true but only to a certain extent otherwise how can modern science explain unable to being affected by a bullet/machette cut or teleporting or how can they explain this.

3. Sixty Symbols have answered it long time ago.

ijawkid: The fake boy would always shy away.....

Atheists are really just bent on decieving themselves.........its only a matter of time....they'll take back all there rants......

Logicboy haven't shied away, why can't you religionists let logicboy be, he is more logical than you Ijawkid who prefers Jewish tradition and culture as superior to that of the Ijaws/Izons. If logicboy or any atheistS takes up the challenge and realize Yoruba claimed supernaturality does exist, note that it doesn't validate the existence of your Abrahmic deities and religions. Why don't you or 'Toluwarni' take up the challenge?

UPDATED

lagerwhenindoubt: ^^N10k is an indication of my level of open-mindedness not skecpticsm.. hmmm any chance of sussing the condiments of this YAS that will make it N50k expensive? No matter, it'll have to wait until next week Saturday 11th for all my parolz money to cumulate to N50k.. i am assuming that i get N50k extra should the YAS fail to Dead-Stop my engine from igniting

still willing to take up the challenge? It's even now more unbelievable

I have secured one with a version that by just laying the worn 'juju' coupled with certain incantation will render any tested and working vehicle unstartable, this is just one out of many version of the immobilizer jujus.

The challenge is still on.

And also be corrected that: the N50k is not for sourcing the condiments components of making the Juju, since the JUJU will be done by them or already made, the 50k is meant for stirring them up as per motivation and the trouble if you know what I mean, after all, you or any disbeliever taking the challenge seek to be convinced of Yoruban supernaturality unexplainable yet by no scientific means.

Update:

The challenge goes:

Have your N50,000 ready with you. I'm not asking you to send it to me or anyone, just make sure you have it as the amount of wager. Now, the YAS will be delivered to the contender by person, afterwards either of the following is possible:

1. Just as previously stated, at a location of the contender's chosen, a vehicle proposed by the contender will be videoed by the contender or a video camera handler of his chosen who shall begin video shooting of the said working vehicle ignited and moving moments before the YAS/Juju deliverer comes in with his own cameraman, all these measure is done in order to show a seamless sequence of event to dismiss those who will watch it online and will come to say it has being edited. Success is determined when the already tested vehicle becomes unstartable after been placed with the Juju (YAS). Failure is when the car starts and moves despite being rigged with the Juju (YAS).

2. Another alternative is for the Juju deliverer to place the Juju into a randomly parked vehicle picked by the contender, wherein the car owner will be waited for, if the car owner is shown as unable to start his vehicle, wherein he will be approached, explained to about what is going on, and consented to remove the Juju (YAS) where he is now able to start it and drive off, success is confirmed.

'largerwhebindoubt' and 'Billyonaire' can either go for any of the two options which is open to any modification they think would guard against meddling or manipulating the outcome.

omonuan: ghostsparta, yea I did modify my last comment to include the questions about the failure of the Yoruba to use your so called YAS to save the Yoruba from the calamity of slavery and the confiscation of Ilorin. However, the additions were repeat of the same posers I had made numerous times on this thread and the other one that talked about moner ritual.

You ignored the questions and I have concluded that this was deliberate as you deceptively passed on answering it again by defering to a yet to be published book that many of us would never like to read. It is safe for me to conclude that you are passing the buck because you have bo answers

Those who would read it will read it. I have the answer to the question, but since it quite hard to start explaining here, I have woven it among the several YAS, I took time to explain in the soon to publish eBook/online publication.

Purist: You assume that anyone that challenges your claims is automatically a theist? Dude, you're preaching to the choir. lol.

No I assume that anyone who criticises my challenge is a disbeliever of YAS. Also you said YAS is a misnomer, implying that it exists and do work, then I ask, what should the proper term be?

Purist: Indeed I am very much aware of what the Euro-Arab did to you guys and I fully sympathize, as the effect still ripples on till date, as evident on this thread.

from your response I assume you are not an African, maybe a caucasian, hence, your sympathy is uncalled for because it doesn't reverse the damages. And because you are a non-Yoruba much less of a paganly deep one, it will be hard for you to grasp, but not to worry...

Purist: While some of you have been able to shake off the religions they imposed on you, people like you are still stuck on the pathetic superstitions as a means to demonstrate your rebellion, and to prove that you're still very much "African".

It's a shame you don't know the real meaning of superstitions. Just like many atheist and religionists which I guess you are, you all think anything YAS (juju) must be nothing but superstition, truly there are superstitious believes which are entirely different from the tangible YAS I have being laying emphasis on. You also used the term 'rebellion' , so are you telling me that despite their embracing of westernism regardless of the extent, the Chinese are being rebellious for still adhering to their ancestral tradition and culture of using their chop-stick to eat instead of forks, knife and other form of cutlery, they are expressing utter rebellion for observing their dragon festivals among others instead of halloween and sleigh riding Santa Clause? The Japanese too are rebellious for observing Samurai dress-code exhibitions instead of 17th century English or Scottish dress-style? Your argument implies that most Asians, despite their contact with the west and Europeans, are still rebellious for not exposing their children to Barnie & Friends, Transformers and Barbie dolls rather than showing off what you call “pathetic superstitions” as they've shown the world of their traditional past in the form of Geisha girl, Shintoism, Ninja, Yoga, Manga, Hara-kiri, Hinduism, Karate, Kama-Sutra, Samurai Champloo, Taoism, Kamikaze, Tai-Chi, Dragon festivities, Buddhism, etc whether all these, which to me is their own equivalent of our Juju, whether it's true or false, whether it's amusing or disgusting, it's their believe system and that's what have secured them a place in the world, simply because they were lucky to have being far away from Europeans and Arabs who were closer to us, even though not, they resisted, an option we hadn't

Purist: Unfortunately for you, holding on to superstitious beliefs doesn't make you more African than the rest who don't. It simply makes you completely uninformed and unable to engage your mind critically and productively.

At least I'm more inform on the way of my ancestors than those who you claimed engage their mind productively by neo-colonially serving the west, because no matter how superstitious you think of what you say I'm holding on to, I assure you it isn't as silly as what your European barbarians and headhunters held on to, or as horrendous as the Japanese Hara-Kiri....also note that it's what still defines me and the likes of me as unique, reidentifying us among the rest of the acknowledged tribes of the world..

Purist: Stupid analogy. And sorry to burst your bubble, the Koreans and Japanese are hardly religious. More than half of the citizens in both countries - which is what we call the majority - do not subscribe to any religions whatsoever. Perhaps, that's why they're able to think more clearly and produce these wonderful things that no African country can currently boast of.
But you ought to know that religion or religious is completely different from paganism

[quote author=Purist]You're such a clown. You call yourself a researcher? And you're writing a book? I presume that book will be for sale, right? lmao. You're just a bloody charlatan looking to prey on the already vulnerable minds of gullible Nigerians who will be buying into whatever bullshit you'll concoct in that book of yours. If you are confident in your juju abilities, take up the challenge I posted earlier and stop making noise on this forum. You have nothing to lose - you will be famous, more people will subscribe to your beliefs, and you will be a million dollar richer. Come on, do it if you dare!

Let it be known to you now that my intention for the book is not for sale but to enlighten my people about the truth about their ancestral paganism which is far superior and helpful than their newly adopted Abrahamic religions, and secondly for them James Randi since it was their challenge that motivated it, thirdly for scientists, atheists, skeptics and modern science in general. It even wrong for me to be calling it a book because I am not sure if I might be able to publish it paperback type, I think it will be more like an online based, publication work because I shall provide links to YouTube site for audio-visual confirmations.

Toluwarni: I saw it with my own eyes.. let me ask you a question, have you ever seen Jazz work with your own eyes?? cos i have.. I just wanna clarify sometthing

How did you saw it, did you saw it before the alleged hit-pen1s-to-diasapear scene took place or did you really saw the victim with his geniiitals missing? And yes I have seen effective Jujus (YAS) in action.

lepasharon: @ghostofsparta what about a certain jazz where they watch someone thru a mirror and stab it then the person dies..that one scares me o

The one you describe has it origin in what I call urban scare-believes fabricated by anti-traditionalists and over-exagerated by religiously motivated Nollywood films, but there truly exist certain versions of the mirror juju/YAS meant for what I call 'interventive purposes', the one I have confirmed is a type where....*sorry wont say it here but in my research write-up/book*. Just know that, not only are their source/preparation extremely demanding due to their power, but are also too sought-after to be spoken of by any in possession of it. Also note that mirror is an English word which the Yorubas had an original name for (not a borrowed from Arabic or brought to us in exchange for slaves), however still, the mirror I'm talking of in the context of YAS/Juju/isegun isn't the ordinary one used for reflection.

omonuan: I shudder when I hear you use the term "Yoruba advanced
sciences." It sounds much like a misnomer, I have asked numerous times without you answering my posers, how come these Yoruba advanced sciences were not used to save Africans from slavery and the Yoruba from Mallam Alimi's rag tag Fulani army who seized Ilorin from the Yoruba after crushing the Oyo Empire?

Why didn't you post the above question as a 'new reply' so I can address it rather than using cheap tactic of modifying your last post which initially ended with “much ado” which I responded to with “mo ti gb?”, I'm suspecting you did this for readers who haven't being following the topic from the on start to think I'm dodging what you call a 'poser' since I'm unable to give an answer to.

You want to know why YAS wasn't used to save Africans enslaved Yorubas from slavery and the Ilorin occupation by invading Fulani jihadists, the answer will be provided in said book/write-up/research project.

lagerwhenindoubt: @billyonaire and other Religionists.. I have once asked how Faith works and proof but after much perambulating around the foundations of religions belief itself.. the matter died out (predictably)

they are forever stuck with the stockholm syndrome, just let them be.

lagerwhenindoubt: So yes I am interested in this wager and i am willing to put down N10k to see it work/fail first hand. (abi na first sight)

I have contacted my sources, and due to the manufacture of the YAS involved for the to-be conducted test, 50k is the wage. I suggest you kindly take it if you REALY WANT to experience it, or forget about it since I would be showcasing it in my research project book whenever I complete it. When, is what I can't say.

lagerwhenindoubt: How do we go about this..?

Read the challenge update below:

lagerwhenindoubt: Why I am interested is because i once challenged an argument that Oro Festival goons go about abducting people for their Festival Rituals, can as much as stop a moving car by using supernatural means to turn of the engine. I need to see this happen in full glare of the Camera and a sizable audience (well 10 Nairalanders from the religious section will do).

your statement about people-abducting-goons regarding the age-old Oro Festival is a big fat LIE and it's because free thinking individuals like you, many religionists and anti-Yoruba tradition people don't understand the nature and purpose of Oro Observation which I have shed some light on in past somewhere in Nairaland. But I will address it more in my write-up.

[quote author=C. whyte]Oya let the movie begin, ghostofspata where are you o....[/quote]To you, it's a joke otherwise why think it a movie, this is serious stuff and not a behind-the-scene, pre-production convincing rehearsals that many of those miracle performing churches are very good at stage-managing.

Purist: lol. I really feel sorry for Africa and Africans in general whenever I see claims like this.

Only if you knew, you would only feel sorry for Africans for what Euro-Arab did to them, aside from thousands of years of Euro-arab slavery and influence, aside from the unearthed fact that science and civilization began here, we had our cultures and traditions devastated, corrupted and redefined to fit what the thought-process of so many like you now regurgitates after years of brainwashing and conditioning.

Purist: So much backwardness in one continent, it's unbelievable. The sad part of it all is that virtually all of you are supposedly educated.

I'm sorry to say but you are a source of shame, so the Koreans (Samsung) and Japanese (Sony) whose phones and electronics you religionists hopeless use are not educated and so, are undergoing backwardness since they are pagans/traditionalists/polytheists?

Purist: While you great custodians of voodoo/jazz/juju are busy challenging yourselves over how effective your various jujus are, over a mere N10,000 bet, there is much more prize money to be won if you really can demonstrate these claims in a controlled environment. Millions of dollars! And yes, it's for real. Be warned though, for decades now, not a single one of thousands all over the world has been successful. All of them are just as convinced, if not more, as you are of their "great powers". Maybe they haven't heard of you great Nigerian voodoo specialists yet. You guys should really learn to sell yourselves.

List of prizes for evidence of the paranormal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

The most popular of them all (and I think it's the one with the most money) is the James Randi One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. Here: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html. For 40 solid years now, not a single soul in the whole world has successfully proven the supernatural to claim this money. Here's your time to shine, oga GhostOfSparta. Go international and stop forming local champion here. E fit be you oooo!

First of all, never you nor anyone label me, I haven't claimed to be the “great custodian of voodoo/jazz/juju” you presumed me to be. I'm a researcher and an A'theist (Aborisha Theist). Secondly, this isn't a thread were the effect of various jujus are tested as you falsely thought. This is a thread I created to challenge 'Billyonaire' and any of those religionists who have and still maintain that there's nothing like YAS/juju where there is Jesus or Jeovah God.

Secondly, without being rude, I don't need you to inform me about any list of prize-offering challenges to be won round the world, I am aware of them all ever since I have being reading non-fiction publications as old as Readers Digest's Bizarre Phenomena: Quest for the Unknown and those Stranger Than Fiction series, all these are what have propelled me to dig deeper into ours over thee years, but as a matter of the fact it is actually James Randi whom ever since I learnt of for the first time here on Nairaland about 3years ago, had being the main catalyst behind my research/project being that after realising how tightly policed his Fort Lauderdale based JREF establishment is, I reckon it best I first of all submit my researched/write-up as an overture before properly taking up the challenge.

For a long while I used to think they are dubious regarding the way their challenge is set-up like some have accused them of, because I too had made crude attempt at the million dollar challenge from here, before realising that not only should a would-be claimant adhere completely with all the terms in their form, and also shouldn't transportation and accomodation cost be an issue given the huge price, so I tell you now...until I can go there, let me first of all complete my book project meant for JREF, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennet, prominent scientists, skeptics and atheists who have graced The Amazing Meeting! and BBC's The Big Question, unless you are willing sponsor the trip to L.A. wherein what will be demonstrated as proof of the supernatural in the form of Juju(YAS) will be more bewildering and head-scratching than rendering a tested and working automobile immovable.

Toluwarni: I can't take up the challenge because I believe its gonna work.. I'm a Christian, But I've seen so many things.. E.g a guys joystick disappearing e.t.c I want Logicboy, Purist or other atheists to accept this challenge..

You are not a Christian but a African/black christian convert, get that straight. There's no such thing as someone's pennnnis dissapearing. It's a scam to rob the victim, the unsuspecting onlookers off their possession.

Toluwarni: Where is logicboy?? I'm waiting for him to come and accept this challenge

leave my dear logicboy alone, you Toluwarni should have taken up the challenge.

omonuan: Ghosparta, I admire your resilience and you strident nature and ability to make your point without insults. I know that you strongly believe in what you are saying but I am skeptical not because of who you are but because it would be a quantum leap for mankind if this is not a hollow claim. So I commend you for engaging in a civil discussion about this. We all learn new things every day and perhaps you could show me something I did not know.

Finally, I would say that since this is not about money for you, you should show us what you got without charging money. What you wrote about your being busy is there for all to read. It is what is and I don't necessarily care if your being busy is as a result of YAS or not. All I care about is that you demonstrate this incredible feat to us without much ado.

mo ti gbọ

sauer: It's great to hear someone is already on such project. I didn't think you would be interested in setting out asking questions, as opposed to answering the same questions.

I am not interested in interviewing people, because most Nigerians do not understand the intricacies of this subject as it pertain to their traditions much less of describing them properly without needing to ascribe any component to Abrahamic concept, you would be surprised to hear what some would say by associating foreign concept to their ancestral believe systems. Statement like: "Yes I believe there is magic, it is from the devil, but when Jesus came to save us...bla, bla, bla. What I am doing is an academical, textual documentary style where I seek to enlighten and clarify lots of misconception and confusion based on profound research and deep-rooted findings. For instance, many thinks Sango is God of Thunder, and Ogun of Iron, whereas they aren't. It's an wrong description of those Yoruba deities (irunmole), those are the sort of Nigerians you will like to interview about their ancestral belief systems they know nothing other than what the churches have depicted them to be, If you really want to do your stuff, you visit real and genuine Babalawos and Onisegun, along with someone like me who can properly interpret and ask relevant question.

sauer: I'm thinking it's gonna be more of a documentary. I have a friend who is willing to introduce me to some guys claim to wield OPC powers. Am thinking that may be a good start.

It's a cheap and easy way to start I tell you, there are many Yoruba and non-Yoruba thugs, touts, uni-students, area boys, alagbaras, etc that have various types of these offensive juju powers, you will be lucky if you find one that is ready to show you, but I am sure none may be able to explain the technicalities of how these things work or why they exists, or for what purpose were they created, and things like that, which is what I will set out to do in my: WHY I AM NOT YET AN ATHEIST: ENTER YAS, research/write-up/book project

sauer: If you don't mind, I certainly would love to follow your project as well.

Follow as in be a part of, in terms of contributing or do you mean read when completed?

sauer: The OP's post has generated quite a number of commentaries.
I don't know how others see it, but for me it's just be one of the many things I have always laid my thought on. Just to get things straight, I am a skeptic. I am quite an atheist.
Nevertheless, I feel there's something, however unreal, however mythical; there is something to be explored about traditional Nigerian fetish practices, including but not limited to money rituals.
As a result, I'm looking to start a project, perhaps a documentary or a book, that will involve asking many questions of those with deep knowledge about these practices. We owe the world this knowledge, if indeed these things are for real. In the case where they are mere balderdash, we still owe ourselves an explanation.
To this end, I'd appreciate it if anyone willing to talk can share details here, and be prepared as well for a visit from me on additional info about what they have shared.

I am already on such project, but it would be nice if you commence too, it may be compared and contrasted which will still help a lot understand these things they've been fed to see as boogeyman.

What will you call your project? Project Unearthing The Mystery?

omonuan: My brother, I think there are many red herrings on your challenge. First of all, your interjecting perciniary interest or bet in this gives you an escape clause. If someone offers an amount you could say that it is too low or you might say no body wants to pay me. Here is my proposal: your experiment should be free and transparent. No "hidding" allowed and no fees charged. You would gain a lot of patronage if we see you perform the feat in the open.

There are no red herrings in the challenge. The following is how I, and still intend it:

Billyonaire: I accept your challenge, I am offering N10,000 (ten thousand naira) to assert my stand that no such thing as the supernatural in the form of what you call YAS (juju) whatsoever is possible, and by your claim of rendering an already tested/working/moving automobile vehicle unstartable and immovable after being affected by placing the given juju, inwhich if so, the amount bet is yours. Failure of the juju to prove as claimed will vindicate my position regarding all things supernatural/juju.

GhostOfSparta: Challenged confirmed to be accepted by Billyonaire, I will post the image, instructions on how you or whoever is going to be videoed doing it is to follow as soon as possible.

Billyonaire: okay, I dey wait.

GhostOfSparta: here is the image of the juju, as you can see I have etched it with 'xyz' mark which when you receive it must show post here an image of it bearing the same 'xyz'. This measure is to show that there is no mago-mago (falsification).

Billyonaire: I understand, I have PM the address you are to send it to ghostsofsparta@live.com

[the address can even be somewhere we both agree to be dropped for pick up wherein a picture of it will e taken and posted here]

GhostOfSparta: I have received the address, I will make sure its delivered.

Billyonaire: I am in possession of it, here is the image of what I receive, please confirm if its the same. I have my camera-man and driver in place, we will begin as instructed.

GhostOfSparta: I confirm it is the same, start shooting the event by showing us in a zoom shot, the juju with the etched mark, the driver who will enter the car to start and drive it as you will like him to, the driver comes out, then, with the camera still recording (no still cut) the camera man will pan towards you or anyone holding the juju, in a focus shot we must again see the juju bearing the etched mark before he executes the instruction. Afterwards, the driver is given the key to go and start the vehicle again. Whatever happens afterwards would be posted here as a YouTube link. Any question?

Billyonaire: No question, I understand as it should go.

Then we all wait to see.

But as it is now, I feel very, very stupid to think Billyonaire would have instantly accepted it straight away, which would have driven me to suspend what I'm doing in execution of the challenge.

omonuan: In fact, I will become a fan and convert to your "religion" if you accomplish this in a free and transparent manner.[/b]
That's the mistake you and many white atheists are making, Isegun or Juju and even Ifa are not a religion. There's a whole lots of misconception. That's why I call it YORUBA ADVANCED SCIENCES. Its not faith or religion.

[quote author=omonuan]Promise that you would show up with your "technology" and provide it to a neutral person who would just leave it inside a car in full view. If it works believe me you would get a lot of converts and the application could be marketed worldwide. You could potentially become a billionaire if this works. Do it to make a point and not to make money.

Maybe I may use your advise in proving it in the research project book I'm working on, wherein will like to provide audio-visual evidence and not just explaining, defining and clarifying.

omonuan: I have found that when someone is claiming a supernatural ability in Nigeria, he or she is looking to make money from the gullible and the uniformed. I would like you to be an exception. Do this to showcase your talent! I will be waiting.

you are correct about that, but those a fraudsters parading about to suck the gullibles and the pagano-traditionally uninformed. That doesn't mean the genuine ones don't exist, though not much, and point of correction-it is not my talent nor anyone's, it's part of thousands of esoteric knowledges of Isegun belonging to the Yoruba legacy.

omonuan: While I was busy typing, I see that you showed up and stated that you are too busy doing research to do the experiment for free. I guess my suspicion is vidincated to my chargrin.

why the lie, I never said exactly that, you twisted what I know I meant. I'm busy does not mean I'm busy doing research on YAS or the supernatural, you will be surprised to know that if not for all the MR subject since Bebe2's post, I have long suspended my research on it, though despite temporary, it's too tasking for a young adult who's trying to make ends meet, faced with lots of challenges, I visit my research only in my rare spare time, Nigeria isn't Ghana where there's electricity all the time, muchless of living through the day.

omonuan: I wish you would reconsider and do this to shut the sceptics like me up. Believe me, you'll make more money showcasing than if you are prepaid.
In the alternative tell us how much you would charge for the job. Would N5,000.00 suffice?

. You alone have made it seem like I came up with this challenge because of money to gain, and it is now looking like: 'it has always being about the money' , let's forget the whole thing, for now I take it that the burden is on me, just stick around by following me, one day I will drop my research project on a thread here on Nairaland with self-sponsored video coverage demonstrating some YAS/juju in action. Again, I will use that your idea.

PalmTree: So where is nanizle when one needs him? Infact each and every one of you atheist on NL are not coming up at all. Forget about the MR issue, this is a great avenue for you to test if there is any supernatural force out there. For God's sake a man claims to be able to stop a "tested and ok" vehicle from starting using diabolical means! Give it a trial, if his claims are valid then maybe its a step further in your quest to know if a supernatural being actually exist. I'm sure if Richard Dawkins etal could see this they'll take it up instantly.

@bolded^
Please be corrected, these YAS (juju) are just tools channelable towards both good and bad intentions. So your description of it as diabolical is untrue.

PalmTree: @Ghostofsparta, I do not question the veracity of your claims, however since all these atheists who usually blab against supernatural forces are already hiding behind their index finger

You make it seem as if I'm against atheists, which I am not....atheist to me are truth-seekers but unlike me an a'theist, they solely rely on science regarding our perceptible reality, I actually prefer any religionists to take up this challenge because they are the ones here in Yorubaland who are most vociferous about the impotency of juju powers and abilities from Babalawos and Oniseguns in the presence of Jesus and their abrahamic gods YAHWEH/Jeovah.

PalmTree: Could you please perform your art and let's see? I try to organize other curious NL's to foot the bills.

I can't for the sake of the fact that I'd rather spend that time and effort to put in my yet to be released research work, and also since the burden of disprove is on the disbeliever 'Billyonaire' and many others, let them take up the challenge.

However, I will try as much as possible to provide audio-visual evidences of some of the Juju (YAS) powers in said research project I'm still working on, it will be entitled: WHY I AM NOT YET AN ATHEIST: ENTER YAS . So far, it has not being easy.

@Xpet
it's best you say nothing rather than unknowingly portraying Babalawo and Onisegun as ONLY capable of evil things.

You said:

Xpset: We are Africans. And we have been leaving with black power before oyinbo carry Bible come give story which we begin to believe.

By "black power" I suppose you meant malevolent powers, if so then But yet so many foreign religion practising Nigerians that have been brainwashed and condition will and still continue to regard anything ancestrally theirs as nothing but EVIL because its black, and because their brainwashed programmed head would automatically process the mere hearing of a juju like 'aluwo' as something that can only come from a semitic fictional character called Satan the Devil, whereas Aluwo is but naturally made juju to effect a supernatual result, meant for offensive/defensive purpose, rendering whoever is slightly hit with it, to instantly fall and remain weak for some while though conscious, just to secure your escape from an attacker. If juju like Aluwo is a black power like you think, then please do tell me what kind of colour is the power created by a mind that conceives atomic bombs, nuclear warhead the size of your arm, borris, pellets, dum dum bullets, land mines, napalms, nerve agents, mortars, cannons, battleships, gunships, euthenizers, and the popular AK-47s that kill instantly, I am sure the colour isn't BLACK. You all need to wake up.

Armyofone, I'm coming for you later...

ooman: Joblessness - all of you.

An a'theist who believes in both science and the supernatural is asking you, an atheist who only accepts whatever science approves to be true to take up his fair challenge. What we only share in common is that we do not subscribe to any form of religion.

ecolime: He modified his previous post

@Topic: I don't think there is any need for this challenge again since Byllionaire actually believes in the metaphysical. From his last post, it's obvious he only doesn't believe in RM.

@bolded^
His last post that you're referring to is as confusing as several of his post on subject like this as I also suspect he himself is, I really want him to honour this challenge because he is the most fervent attacker of my previous thread,

If he truly understand the real meaning of metaphysic, as that branch of philosophy that careful looks at the supernatural theosophically then he wouldn't have been so adamant about the impossibility of MR.

If he is an astralist as he claimed in one thread sometimes ago, he could have at least maintained a position by saying something like: "MR could be possible, who knows, but a proof would have being the best"

I still urge him to take up the challenge, afterall he lauds himself a money making billionaire in several subforums/sections on Nairaland.

@otipoju
I sincerely do not like the way you and your likes attempts to derail my thread, please create a new thread elsewhere and post whatever understanding of Christianity you feel readers should have knowledge of, NOT HERE.

You don't see me, Pagan9JA or any atheist posting derailful comments on Christian and Muslim thread/topics. We separately create ours to seek discussion, point-making opinions and arguments from others. We don't storm your abrahamic religion threads like trolls bent on changing the intended course of a given topic.

I beg you to stop it and would appreciate it if you remove them by replacing them with the dash (-) symbol using the 'modify' button.

Thanks.

nanizle: YES I CAN. WHOEVER HAS THE SAID JUJU SHOULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR TESTING. I AM READY.

I take it you're serious.

Therefore, as it should be, everything henceforth is posted here on this thread to show transparency to the observing readers.

Before I can post what I think can be termed a DoU: 'Declaration of Unfamiliarity', which you will also need do, based on my format. Do please, state the amount you are wlling to stake, and we will proceed from there.

GhostOfSparta

Empero1: @OP
You tried in your analysis , however , stop trying hard to sound like an authority in this subject matter, for you are not , from all indications , you have not had direct experience on this issue.

Didn't you read the disclaimer part where I said "I clarify that I hold no absolute authority on this subject and it true nature" or you is it that you just felt like attacking me for the sake of attacking. And if I may ask you, for the sake of learning from you, kindly do share with us whatever knowledge or experience you know about money ritual since it ONLY takes someone authoritative to know someone who isn't.

Empero1: In my capacity as a mystic and an adventurous person, I can authoritatively tell you that not all MR is EVIL , neither is it only prevalent in African continent alone, no, it is a global phenomenon.

First of all, my own understanding of who a Mystic is entirely different from who a Babalawo and Oniseguns are. Mystics are people who uses lots of sensational gestures to mystify mesmerize people. An 419/fake Onisegun or Babalawo will incorporate euro-arab mystic practices into his consultation/services as seen in the following image:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Katie_Walking_Labyrinth_2.jpg

Also...

For instance, if a womanizer or a fornicator meets a genuine Yoruba Onisegun for a juju called ámudò, the Onisegun does not need sleights and confusing gesticulations in order to impress the client (as done and seen in the images of mystics below) before giving him the charms / talisman amudo.

Mystics and their woo-woos:
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https://awakeningwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/311966_10150309580022157_607617156_8061244_1290035168_n.jpg
[img]http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/aleister_crowley-creepy.jpg[/img]
[img]http://tamburina.tumblr.com/post/4455635516[/img]
https://www.juliezipper.com/wp-content/uploads/flower-meditation.jpg

Ámudò:
Ámudò is a potent supernatural magic usually in the form of a ring, when used to hit female, renders her senselessly lascivious only for the victimizer to take advantage of her. Some of its versions requires the application of 'palm-oil' as the anti-dote to quell her sexual lust, some requires nothing other than her to recover herself after the molestation. I learned from someone that the repercussion of the version of the Ámudò he knows is that the user first born would be born slowpoke. The fact is many Ogun/juju are not mainly malevolent oriented, unfortunately there people who secretly use them channel them towards evil and wicked purposes.

comradestalk: Are there any repercussion from getting a health solution through a babalawo?

No.

comradestalk: What kind of babalawo puts brand new notes on his table during consultation? What is the purpose of putting such money there?

n the olden days, cowries are spent instead of money, today money is spent in the form of notes. The purpose of it is quite hard to explain, I won't go into it as some Awos reading this may disagree, but I assure it isn't the same as the purpose of the money required as tithes and offerings in churches.

comradestalk: Are there ways of telling a good babalawo from an evil babalawo, or are all babalawo good?
Can a true/genuie babalawo lie to his/her client and are there repercussions to a balalawo that lies?

Your question should have being "Are there ways of telling a fake Babalawo from a genuine babalawo?" I am afraid the answer is Yes and No. Yes in the sense that, those who have not ostracized themselves from the traditional circles or in a true pursue of cultural knowledge and curiosity will surely have known/learned things that will aid in detecting a con men and fraudsters perfectly disguised as Babalawos or traditionalists and No in the sense of the readily gullible solution-seekers who are not, at least fairly deep in the traditions of their ancestral believe systems. They wouldn't be able to hear the red alert even if its screaming at them. This is a big problem in the traditional sphere of our societies, that need be solved. Just like there are lots of quarks and dubious lawyers, engineers, doctors, auditors, etc so do exist for Babalawos and Oniseguns.

comradestalk: Are there any repercussion from getting a health solution through a babalawo?

No.

comradestalk: What kind of babalawo puts brand new notes on his table during consultation? What is the purpose of putting such money there?

n the olden days, cowries are spent instead of money, today money is spent in the form of notes. The purpose of it is quite hard to explain, some awos reading this may disagree can't be easily explain here
Are there ways of telling a good babalawo from an evil babalawo, or are all babalawo good?
Can a true/genuie babalawo lie to his/her client and are there repercussions to a balalawo that lies?[/quote]

otipoju: When someone is saying there is no this there is no that, I don't bother to waste words trying to prove empirically what I cannot. All I say in the silence of my mind is" I pray that you will not see the one that will pass you"... I am a Celestian..on Tuesdays when I am off from work, I take time to go to church and write down spiritual messages delivered by prophets for non Celestials who have come to seek divine guidance. Male,female,old,young,famous,anonymous,wealthy,impoverished,foreign based,localbased,educated,illiterate,rieghtous,sinners and all sorts... No one is immune to problems. The inspired prophet or prophetess will reveal the hidden past, the current situitaion and knowledge of the future and practical solutions to attain the desired objective.I can't but watch in admiration when the person nods his head in confirmation of the hitherto revelations. One thing I have observed however from all these is irrespective of what your Creator has designed for you,or what evil people have done to you,you are the architect of your own fortune!!! The decisions you made and actions you took has brought you here,the ones you take now will take you to another level.God gives us free will to choose but and act. Yoruba people will say " Ibi ori danisi, ki ese ma shini lona " roughly translated- may our legs not take a different path from where our heads are headed for. From my experiences, I beleive life is an struggle between benevolent and malevolent forces and thier human agents.But as a Son of the light I am not afraid of evil forces or their human agents cause light will always dispel darkness. At the same time I don't look for trouble and will run from you if you are bringing it, but if pushed to the wall I will call upon the Jehovah- invincible creator of the invisible and visible dimensions to fight on my behalf ... And he has never failed me!!!

CRAP^^^

otipoju: The experiment that I would like you to perform on Billyonaire is that one that you will punch him lightly and he will fall to the ground and stand up seven times...it will be so hilarious and fun to watch and no one will say that you fiddled with one wire in the car that made it not to start. I studied African Traditional Religion in 300 level and I came across the works of the religious scholar J. Olupona on the various beleifs system in Africa. I know that there is a malleable force that traverses the universe. Some have learnt how to manipulate it. Christians invoke it orally by praying in Jesus name, commanding blessings on their efforts and rebuking failure and disease. Some prefer more practical methods with objects which the french refer to as "Jou-Jou" . Generally people use it for good effects and some for bad effects to harm others.Also some prefer to pretend that it does not exist.. Every man with his beliefs ooo. So far sey you no comot for my salary, It shall be well with you!

@bolded:
It is not an experiment, it is a tried and tested Juju called aluwo belonging to the 'attack/combat' class. I will give details on how I think it works in the scientific sense but not on this thread.

otipoju: Let me state categorically clear, That I am a NOT an atheist, and I am NOT theist. I am a Pantheist. I do NOT ONLY believe that MONEY RITUAL does not exist, I KNOW it DOES NOT exist. Many persons here misunderstood that to mean that there is no esoteric powers, far from it, Negative/Positive Energy vibrations EXIST and I can attest to that, not just as a reader, but as a practical chela in Mystical Science, a faculty of Knowledge that I am passionate about. Let's get that very clear before I get misunderstood.

Either you are a pantheist or not, just accept the challenge and let's move on. I am not asking you to do money ritual as I don't even advised it, PLEASE drop all your fancy use of contradictory concepts and just accept the challenge.

ecolime: Woww... Nice one.

Either you are lying or Billyonaire has modified his previous post.

glen87: How about when you try the soap and other things you were given for luck to come and you used it for a while and it didn't work and you threw it away, any repercusion or consequences??

No repercussion, either Ori eleda ko gbe/gba, or it's a bogus one.

obi123: erm calm down he didnt exactly go on a cocaine /heroine drug binge , he died of "acute intoxication resulting from the abuse of prescription medications." it was an accidental death

I based the incident on the assumption that lots of Americans are into abuse of hard drug

I stand corrected.

UPDATED 8:50am
UPDATED are highlighted in BLUE COLOUR

Dear Nairalanders,

I hereby challenge a prominent disbeliever of African/Yoruba supernatural magic, on Nairaland by the username: Billyonaire, to bet an agreed amount as a leverage for the demonstrative proof of supernatural magic/juju where an agreed upon observation and video coverage would be provided to monitor the following claim:

A motor vehicle will be shown to be working and moving by being tested by by a driver he himself will provide and after, which interior will be placed with a particular juju wherein the provided driver will be asked again to drive the same motor vehicle. Efficacy of the juju is confirmed if the driver is unable to start the car, wherein the amount bet is mine. If the driver is able to start the vehicle with the juju inside, then he wins the argument that the believe in Juju or supernatural magic is deliberately deceptive.

This Juju test will be videoed and uploaded on YouTube for all to watch.

I don't need to be there but the JUJU which I will put inside an empty Ribena container will be tagged with an identity number whose image will be posted here for all to see before sending to the location given by Billyonaire or any who will accept my challenge for the verification of this JUJU test. The purpose of this is to measure is for both party to maintain anonymity yet making sure no one can argue that I somehow managed to manipulate the outcome to my advantage as Omonuan presumes below

omonuan: It is not very difficult to make even a brand new car not to start. You do not need juju to do this you can fiddle with the car and then claim it is juju that is preventing it from starting.

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This challenge is open to anyone, skeptics, scientists, rationalists, atheists and religionists here on Nairaland.

I will come back to address the rest of Omonuan's questions, I like him.

Happy Sunday folks!
GhostOfSparta

[size=100pt]I AM VEXED[/size]

My challenge to Billyonaire and all African skeptics, rationalists, atheists, scientists and religionists both in real life and on Nairaland who have doubted and still doubts the unprovable efficacy of the African supernatural magic in the respect of Yoruba Advanced Sciences mistakenly call Juju (ogun) CLICK HERE FOR THE CHALLENGE:

Dear Nairalanders,

This is a spill-over of an intense debate here

I hereby challenge a prominent disbeliever of African/Yoruba supernatural magic, on Nairaland by the username: Billyonaire, to bet an agreed amount as a leverage for the demonstrative proof of supernatural magic/juju where an agreed upon observation and video coverage would be provided to monitor the following claim:

A motor vehicle will be tested to be working by a driver he himself will provide, and after which interior will be placed with a particular juju wherein the provided driver will be asked a again to drive the same motor vehicle. Efficacy of the juju is confirmed if the driver is unable to start the car, wherein the amount bet is mine. If the driver is able to start the vehicle with the juju inside, then he wins the argument that the believe in Juju or supernatural magic is delibertately deceptive.

This challenge is open to anyone, skeptics, scientists, rationalists, atheists and religionists here on Nairaland.

This Juju test will be videoed and uploaded on YouTube for all to watch.

Happy Sunday folks!
GhostOfSparta

DarryOsh: everyone is saying MR has repercussions.....ok...can someone please explain these repercurssions

Didn't you read about the repercussions in the instances I gave. It seems lots of you just swiftly went through the whole topic only to be asking questions I have already covered.

DarryOsh: if the wealth only comes for a while....the OP said it can be renewed by graduating to the more terrible ones.....so in a way you can maintain the wealth until death.abi? or am i getting the whole stuff wrong

addressing the bolded^:

Like so many of you that has commented on this topic, you are getting it wrong. First of all, I didn't use the word 'renew' and 'terrible' which you have requoted me with thus altering what I intend to convey. I differentiated between the minor MR (less heinous and consequential) and the major ones (heinous and gravely consequential), once anyone indulges in any types of MR, there are bound to be condition, consequence and repercussion specific to that particular MR.

DarryOsh: Again you said: so in a way you can maintain the wealth until death.abi?

addressing the bolded^:

Understand that as a mortal, every human is fated to die one day, that day no one knows, now let's assume Mr. X ought to live for 74.5years before he dies on the fated day, regardless of whether he's fate is to die due to natural curse of old age or an accident or whatever terminates human life, and he did MR at the age of 32, wherein he lived wealthily for 10 years assuming that's the duration of the type of MR he did, clocking 52, the supernaturality that has been forced on his behalf will act to enforce balance which is the REPERCUSSION aspect. The CONDITION aspect may be that, depending on the type of MR, he must either observe this or that rite before accessing the MR stuff, or that he MUST NOT do so, so things, at times at so, so time, again depending on the type of MR, or that he must always remember to shed the blood of certain XX animal for the XX entity/forces invoked/disturbed being part of the MR process, all these are the CONDITIONS which when breached/violated will result to CONSEQUENCES, consequences are always inured to most of all the classes of iseguns (supernatural magic) which is what set it apart from the slow-working recommended alternatives of Ifa (ebo riru and etutu). In conclusion, Mr. X would die at an age that is far from his fated date of death.

So from your question

so in a way you can maintain the wealth until death.abi?

The answer is: No the wealth can't be maintained until death for as long as you desire to live for. And even so, which there is that of diverting 'death'....you will only be worsening your case.


[size=20pt]...Owo lo pa aami[/size]
[size=20pt]...Eni owo bi lowo n pa[/size]
-OGBE OFUN (Ogbefun)
-IFA CORPUS

Billyonaire: Is Everyone Yoruba now ? If there is no English words for those, then its purely a Yoruba myth and universally mistrustful.

Give me the English translation of the Yoruba words: Ajanoku, Ahonomaja, Ologini, Óbe. I'm very sorry to say but your intelligence makes you sound so stupid. Thinking everything can be rationalised, and also translatable to English language. There are some things that are only exclusive to a specific tribe or culture. It's like asking what's th Yoruba word for a cougar or Lynx or a kangaroo.