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Griezmann

Dembele nice one. Griezmann with the assist.

Gloryissac somebody owes you something

patrickmuf:
Everton just upgraded their midfield with less than 100m...When they play us, can you bet that they won't ball our midfield

GloryIsaac:
I’ve mentioned scouts before..

But I can bet that Everton’s midfield won’t ball our midfield.

A fit United Starting XI will beat a fit Everton Starting XI..

Except Mr. David decides to celebrate his birthday on the pitch that day.

patrickmuf:
I will get back to you whenever we play Everton...

Atletico play Cadiz and Real play Valencia. Not expecting either of them to drop points but hoping they do because we need to make up ground.

Today game is a must win if we want to keep up with Madrid at the top. Our next game after the international break is Atletico Madrid which won't be easy as well. 8 points behind so we can't afford to drop more points even with one game outstanding.

losprince:
That took place around 90 + 3 minutes with few seconds to go, messi was our only player at the opposition half, we had 9 men and the goalie at our own half of the field, I'd find it ridiculous had he chased that player, I don't get what the fuss is all about.

People just want to push the messi is lazy narative so bad that they will take things completely out of context, it's pathetic to say the least.

I don't really follow the logic as to why it doesn't make sense to have one more player putting pressure on the ball when the rest of the team is in shape, considering that he doesn't have to conserve energy for anything, it's the last kick of the game, anyway.... He just looked at him and watched him walked by disinterested.

KingAlabi:
What about a certain ocampos

homesteady:
Do you think everyone here is a beer parlour "analyst" like yourself? I was cringing as I wrote analyst sef. Who doesn't know that per 90 minutes is the best metric for measuring player statistics? Have you ever sat down to watch the analysis of any match?

Look at this headline from Barca Universal. Do you now see how it lays credence to the stats?

You are just falling your hand. You have been on this section for a long time and you are still debating like an amateur.

Bro it's enough. Let's just move past this issue and look forward to our match today. With the kind of predicament Dynamo find themselves,I expect us to score nothing less than 4 goals tonight.

Kimbeast:
Honestly after reading the entire interactions your replies have been weak. You keep bringing unrelated subjects and diverting from the main context of the discussion which is typical Nairaland style of Amala turning. Godx is talking about Messi inability to score from open play which you have not addressed or said anything about.

Thank you for the bold. They keep bringing unrelated and stupid things into the discussion.

Sommyroy10:
[Mundo Deportivo] Dynamo Kiev arrive to Barcelona with 13 players. The minimum that UEFA states. If another player tests positive, the match will be suspended.

Haha 13 players . So if they lose one more player the game is off. What's to stop them from saying that one last player is injured so they can play on another date with a full squad? Because that's what I will actually do in such predicament.

KingAlabi:
Why nobody dey mention Adama Traore name again


Because he is not scoring goals like jota

Maybe when he drops a Hattrick against Arsenal, guys go remember am.

tesppidd:
[s] You just don't get it, do you?

Our attackers; Messi, Dembele, Fati, Griezman, Coutinho, Trincao, Pedri have all been wasteful this season.

I might excuse Fati because he's young but 5 Goals out of 8 games which is fairly good.



Messi has played 12 seasons for Barca,
And Barca has played 8 matches this season,

And at least 10 out of those 12 seasons he'd be having nothing less than 6 Goals already after 8 matches.

We've played 8 games already and what do we have?

Fati 5 goals.
Dembele 2 goals.
Griezman 1 goal.
Coutinho 2 goals.

Is this what you call goal scoring?

The Messi you are disgracefully dragging would be having 7 Goals already after 8 games, in 10 of the last 12 seasons.

Yes Messi has been poor at finishing but You can't single out Messi because what?
Fati 3, Coutinho 2, Dembele 1, Griezman 1.

Are these what you call productive attackers after 8 games?
8 whole games??

Is that how Messi used to do it while we were winning la liga, after la liga, after la liga?

If Messi was having only 2 goals in open play out of 8 games wouldn't you still call him poor at finishing?

Wouldn't you run your mouth about how he has had only 2 goals from 8 games?


Walahi craze dey worry you.

You said you were going to shut up, shut up already, you have become too much of an irritant. [/s]

K

joviegghead:
[s] See this mumu o.
Dumbass!
I was defending messi who you singled out.

Our 'attackers being poor' argument at finishing has been settled .Obviously you didn't see that cuz your brain responds only to faulting messi. You can check my previous comment.

Biko, you should be ignored from now. No one here deserves to have his intelligence reduced through some interactions with illogical critics on this forum.

Farewell. [/s]

Recap.

Joviegghead: Our attackers have been poor at finishing chances.

Godx: Not true. Messi is our only attacker who has been very poor at finishing this season shown by his numerous shots with 0 end product in terms of goals from open play so far. I even went further to show you it didn't just start this season but since January he has been struggling in that aspect.

Then you resulted to typing completely out of point.

Joviegghead:

*Messi drops deep.

*He has been involved in our goals

*Dembele has poor decision making

*Other attackers need to step up

*Our defense is not good. If lenglet makes a mistake you will blame Messi.

* He should go to Man City

Nothing more to add then you resulted to insults and name calling (Mumu/Dumbass). Ok bro.

2 days ago forming kingpin and overlord

afrodoc2:
Our players are better suited for 4-4-2 diamond. I remember i stated this last week. 4-4-2 diamond allows us field a higher number of our good players IN THEIR BEST POSITIONS.

In 4-2-3-1 we don't have a good right wing forward so that is 1 position being used sub-optimally. Our left wing forward Rashford is more of a scorer than a natural creator so that is another position being used sub-optimally.
Then crucially our defence has less protection as the 3 forward players don't track back consistently . Our midfield also has less control.


With 4-4-2 you can actually field Pogba and Bruno together in their best positions and still have quality on the bench with VDB, Mata. You can play a true strike partnership with Rashford and Martial and still have quality on the bench with Cavani and Greenwood (all playing their natural positions).

The weakness is on the flanks as the full backs don't have much help and might face 2 v 1 situations more often than they would like.

Yesterday after the so called 4-4-2 diamond formation failed woofully

afrodoc2:
We need to switch to 4-2-3-1

Expert17:
Some people just like saying rubbish in public.............

Comparing POGBA to MC tominay, Fred etc........

Apart from Mata, who can open up Defensive line with a Pass Who can play a Cross-field pass Who can create chances, when team pack bus ..... U guys are just sentimental........

Take it or leave it,...... POGBA is d biggest name in Man Utd Squad.....

Put POGBA in a better team like Man city or Liverpool, and watch his Assists increase wonderfully........ POGBA dat Wil pass to martial, Rashford and dey will miss 8 clear chances out of 10.......

POGBA is the First name in France Midfied ( world cup winners).....

Quote me anywhere- POGBA will start in any Team in this world.

tesppidd:
Rubbish!

K

joviegghead:
So messi should be blamed for our dry spell in terms of goalscoring.

Funny thing is messi has said it plainly that he's focused on creating chances and helping the team. And if possibly he do his best to still keep scoring.

That statement shows a selfless outlook. If messi had scored 90% of our goals.
Someone like you will still come online and say he loves hugging all glory and pushes other attackers into second frame.
Another thing is he knows barca is deficient in the creative department. No one can be trusted to create consistently.

Our goals this season , Messi has had a role on most of them. This is undisputable.

Yet all you see is 'he hasn't scored from open play'.

Oga Criticizer, continue. Even football pundits have constantly lauded messi who drops back and still make things happen. He's everywhere. Griezmann we praise for work rate, what has he done? 1 goal!

I didn't even understand what you typing anymore. This guy you will say A, somebody will reply your A then you will jump to Z then W and end at M. What you have written now how does it relate to your initial post that started this discussion in the first place which was about our "Attackers being poor at finishing"

hopefulLandlord:
I think you're conflating the words "Track back" and "Drop deep". Messi drops deep to get balls but that doesn't mean he tracks back as tracking back would mean coming back to try to win the ball by pressing, marking, chasing etc. what Messi does is "walk slowly" back and hope his hardworking Barcelona teammates has recovered the ball before he gets to just before the halfway line so they would pass to him and he tries to create

Messi is arguably the worst player in terms of tracking back. doesn't even try to mark when the ball is around him most times except when he feels like.
The problem with this tactic is that while it would work most times against most Laliga oppositions who are inferior to Barcelona, it's destined for failure against teams that defend as a unit and attack as one like Bayern who has quality but all players put in defensive efforts when the team is out of possession. Yes there are coaches that instruct some players not to put in defensive shift but I seriously doubt There's any coach that would instruct a player to be as useless as Messi is when Barcelona don't have the ball especially in big games against quality oppositions

When Ancelotti came to Madrid, he said in a press conference that Ronaldo does not need to track back and defend and Ronaldo reduced his defensive efforts but when Madrid is facing a quality opposition like in that season's semi finals against Bayern you could see him track back, press, mark, make defensive headers during set pieces amongst others. Even the equaliser that season against juventus at in Italy came from him pressuring lichsteiner who lost the ball and lead to his (Ronaldo's) goal

I have been preaching this gospel ( at the bold) since like forever and you have people saying Messi should be just be a Midfielder when he is very lazy and not discplined enough.

Godx:
Try competing at top when midfield have to adapt to a player that cant/wont track back and adapt to the lack of options from players running off ball etc.
Messi when ball in his area is best ever but off the ball he is Barcas biggest weakness in terms of attacking/defending as a unit.

Sociedad targetted our right side all night and we were lucky they did not get more joy from it.

Godx:
Messi definitely followed Pep tactical instructions. I won't say he was free under Guardiola and then you look at Enrique first season when Messi was purely a winger damn he was a monster. We had Messi and Neymar destroying both wings. I have never been a fan of Messi having free role and dropping into midfield because it renders one of our wing useless. You either have Messi take a disciplined tactical role or you have an unbalanced team - not both.

tesppidd:
[s] What you're already saying in November 2020 is that the day we get knocked out in 2021 it will be because of Messi.

Your logic is filthy, it stinks. [/s]

K

tesppidd:
[s] So if we get knocked out by a big team;

*It will not be because we just had a new coach who is bringing in a new pattern, philosophy, and style.

*It will not be because the coach has made a couple of poor decisions wrt his team selections.

*It will not be because we have a lot of new and young players who need time to blend in.

*It will not be because Lenglet and Neto made elementary mistakes that cost us to technically lose 4 points in our last 2 league matches and more such errors will come.

*It will not be because our strikers Griezman and Braithwaite cannot score goals.

*It will not be because our defence might be a little shaky like it's always been and concede easy goals.


YOU HAVE NO ANY IDEA YET HOW MANY GOALS DEMBELE, GRIEZMAN, COUTINHO, FATI, TRINCAO AND PEDRI WILL SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.
OR HOW MANY ERRORS PIQUE, LENGLET AND NETO WILL MAKE AT THE BACK.
OR HOW MANY WRONG SELECTIONS DONALD TRUMP-LOOKING KOEMAN WILL MAKE ALONG THE WAY;

BUT IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM IF WE GET KNOCKED OUT AGAIN IT WILL BE ENTIRELY BECAUSE MESSI HAS NOT SCORED FROM OPEN PLAY OR WILL NOT SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.


You are extremely indiscretionary. It's a disgrace to this thread. [/s]

K

joviegghead:
SatanX!!!

Dead

They are so annoying. Will be bringing up illogical arguments as if they were born criticize Messi. Mehn,...

*Illogical argument*

You mean Messi finding it difficult to score from open play since January is illogical and not worthy to be talked about? From covid-19 la liga restart till today he has only scored 3goals from open play out of 17matches
Or, scored on 2 matches in the last 17 La liga matches from an open play. I will keep shut from henceforth and when we get disgraced again by another big team then you shift the blame to the coach as usual.

joviegghead:
You still can't decipher what I just wrote?!
Okay I'll spell it.

Your excuses for other attackers doesn't make sense. You claim Griezmann's hasn't had playing time? Nah! Check again. Fam, has played and has had barca's best scoring chances. Guess what?! He missed 98% of them.

You claim Trincao have shipped in few goals! Nah! He hasn't even dropped an assist(I think). Pedri, just 1 or 2. Coutinho, let's not talk about that one.

You defended Dembele. Yes, he hasn't played much but the boy's decision-making can be terrible like in Turin.

You claim Messi has taken over 70% of the teams shot and he hasn't scored. This is the same guy that drops deep to create chances and makes things happen. What about the other attackers playing? Your stat simply highlights the bluntness and one-sided nature of barca attack with only Messi aiming shots while the rest of the team(including other attackers) can boast of less than 30% shot.

Doesn't that sound like our attackers need to start stepping up? Yet you single out Messi as the only faulty attacker not scoring from open play.

* Griezmann has hardly had game time in his preferred position. He had been shuffled to the wings and when he plays he averages one/ two shot per match. Can you imagine that stats? A goal scorer like Grez averaging one shot per match and you are labeling him wasteful?


*Countinho and Pedri has more open play goals than Messi this season hope you know that?


* Messi averaging 70% of our shots shows how our other attackers are being ignored in good position and everyone keeps passing to Messi because that's what he wants. There was a period during the sevilla match Fati took a shot and Messi was angry and shouted at him for not passing to him. Imagine Fati in that position next time what do you think he will do? You think only Messi likes taking shots because Griezmann, Dembele and countinho don't have legs as well.


*Messi is our only attcker apart from trin who hasn't scored from open play this season despite taking 70% of all our attempts so who should the bulk of the blame go to for our poor finishing?

joviegghead:
Griezmann barely gets any game? Same Griezmann that was starting games and we all were complaining?
Trincao and Pedri have shipped in 'few goals'? Really? Okay, how many?
Okay just forget it. You just wanna attack Messi. You claim Messi has taken 70% percent? And the other attackers? So he's the only attacker in the team aye? . Isn't it shameful you still can't decipher that if one person is taking practically a huge chunk of the team's shots it speaks volumes of the inefficiency of other attacker when it comes hunger for shooting or troubling keepers at least.

But never mind. I always know you to be a Messi critic.
But wait, you're really saying Messi is the only poor finisher? Really?

You haven't actually wrote anything that countered what I wrote in my post.

TLona1:
[s] Since that same January that you mentioned, who has had the most goals and assists for Barcelona? [/s]

This is not related to my post in any way.

OJURONGBE1:
Your opinion bro!
You were here throughout last season when some fans were calling for Tammy Abraham's head despite his goal returns , did you utter a word in support of the bloke?

This is a nice reply lol.

joviegghead:
Griezmann(legend! Don't let yesterday's goal deceive you) , Messi (Man has missed some bread-and-butter chances) , Dembele (intermittent poor decision making like in the Turin game), Trincao still needs to develop.

Griezmann barely get any game time talkless of chances to score so I don't understand how you can say he has poor with his finishing except from that one chance against Getafe i think. Fati has been brilliant in front of goal this season. Dembele is in the same boat as Griezmann. Trincao and pedri have shipped in with few goals this season as well. The only attacker who has been piss poor when it comes to finishing is Messi and he has been poor in that aspect since January but when I mentioned it I am a fake fan and a hater. He has taken almost 70% of all our shots this season more than all our other attackers combined but can't still score from open play.

patrickmuf:
At least writing in single letter leaves you looking more intelligent than when you drop those irrelevant and unsolicited comments here...

K

patrickmuf:
Shouldn't you rather worry about Barcelona? You are you so obsessed with Manchester United? Did you ex girlfriend leave you for a Manchester United fan?

K

joviegghead:
You can list them out. Aren't you a barca fan

joviegghead:
Lastly, the attackers are very poor at finishing. I don't understand why. Its like they value dribbling and fancy football. Same thing happened at Turin.

Aren't you the one that typed the post above or am I the one that wrote the post for you ?Which of our attackers have been very poor at finishing like you wrote above.

joviegghead:
Everyone is complaining. Some blaming messi. Others koeman. Some single out busquets.

I've said it that this team has a long way to go. If y'all think messi dropping back to create chances is a problem, you might be right. But who's gonna create. Sad that barca doesn't have an out-and-out striker.

Koeman is killing himself by making poor decisions. Busquets ffs shouldn't be playing. Also this double pivot thing is failing.

If koeman doesn't want Messi dropping deep let him say it.
Lastly, the attackers are very poor at finishing. I don't understand why. Its like they value dribbling and fancy football. Same thing happened at Turin. Wasting chances and only won with a deflected shot and a late penalty. Sad!

Which of our attacker(s) has been poor in finishing this season?

Melvyn11:
Alaye come of it and always resist the urge to shalaye. According to you Greenwood became a starter after the lockdown so let's take a look at his performance against big teams and big matches during that period shall we,

Against Tottenham............Trash

Against Leicester.............Trash

Europa league quarter final........Trash

Europa League semi final.........Trash

Fa cup quarter final............Trash

Fa cup semi final...............Trash

The "man who can't be marked" and who "Defenders should be scared of" has zero good performance against big teams. Ole has a good reason to sit him on the bench after all. Score against relegation teams and get called the best finisher in the league lmao

Patrickmuf and treblechamp won't like this

Melvyn11:
Can't you see how senseless his post was. We are talking about greenwood hype somebody is mentioning Vinicus and rodrigo which has no relation to anything.The question "How many goals has greenwood scored against big teams" made all of them senseless and turn to premium Shalayes.

That guy level of whataboutism is something else . Just look how he read this your post and immediately jumped into Rodrigo and others. The question hook am

Melvyn11:
This hype is getting ridiculous. How many big teams has he scored against?

afrodoc2:
Eden Hazard + Vinicius + Rodrygo (190 million Euro) = 10 goals in 90 league games combined.


Mason Greenwood (0 Euro) = 10 goals in 38 league games.


Even Benzema had to come out and confess that Vinicius was a short one, telling Ferland Mendy "don't pass to him brother, he is playing for the other team"

You guys should stop bothering with these clowns.