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raumdeuter:
Homosexuality happen between 2 human, 2 adults. Bestiality and zoophilia are not

And that is relevant because?

raumdeuter:
In parts of Nigeria people marry their cousin. Animals are not human. A gay person is human and has the same rights as a straight person

Alaye incest is a crime in Nigeria and this is weak.

gensteejay:
I have already told you homos don't harm anyone with their same-sex actions and inclination.

And you disagree without citing a single reason to support your stance about criminalizing their acts.

Like I told your predecessor go and read about criminal law before asking any questions. I am not here to entertain your ignorance

gensteejay:
You can't mention just one single danger in the acts of homosexuals. SMH

You still can't mention one single point to support Homosexuality. SMH

donjazet:
This is false equivalence. Homosexuality is not the same as zoophilia or bestiality. Although it can be incest. I'm sure you well know the question of consent is vital.

Moreso, homosexuality is not limited to only the act of sex. It is a broad spectrum that encompasses how one person feels towards another, not just which hole one wants to stick his deek into. Go and learn and stop being ignorant.

This post reeks of ignorance. I repeat Whatever argument you want to use to support making Homosexuality legal in Nigeria I will use it to support incest, zoophilia and bestiality.

gensteejay:
You've not made a single point to show that homosexuals constitute any danger to society.

You're merely supporting criminalization of homosexuality because the Bible does so, yet the same Bible supports killing of people for working on Sabbath day (Saturday), slavery, slave-trading, racism, genocide.

What are the dangers of homosexuality to society?

Mr Man I said whatever argument you bring up to support Homosexuality,I will use it to support incest, bestiality and zoophilia.

chrisooblog:
a crime is a crime because someone committing it is harming someone directly or indirectly. arresting for attempted suicide is a dumb law which i expect to be struck of the books soon. even our police as terrible as they are have sense not to enforce that law cos how many reports have i not heard this year of people trying to commit suicide on 3rd mainland bridge

you meet a gay person how does that affect your life? unless the said gay person attempted to sexually harass you (which would then be a crime) how else does his existence affect you?

i assume you are well

Bro I still don't understand what you are typing and the points you are trying to make.

donjazet:
Now, this is hardcore bullsh*t.
First of all, what do you understand is homosexuality and why should homosexuals be imprisoned or legally killed?

Go and read up about criminal law like I told you before. I won't keep indulging your ignorance.

raumdeuter:
People marry their cousin legally in many part of the world. Bestiality involves an animal who is unable to give consent

The argument is centered about Nigeria and incest is not legal in many parts of the world. Since when do humans care about animal consent? The animal you kill,eat and use for clothing did he give you his consent. Save your argument about "animal consent" for the birds or Satan

gensteejay:
Live and let live.

I don't know why a rational adult should have issues with homosexuals when they're good people and don't constitute any danger to anyone.

What the hell is live and let live? What a stupid thing to say. Any argument you bring up to support Homosexuality, I will use it the same way to support incest, bestiality and zoophilia. After all live and let live.

chrisooblog:
it was also in the criminal law that black people were once penalized in some countries for using white only conveniences please come with a more logical argument

This is not related to anything I have typed.i don't do whataboutism

donjazet:
This is a weak line. I know it's currently a crime in Nigeria.
I am asking, is it right for it to be a crime??
What is the crime homosexuals commit??

Shouldn't a law that infringes on the fundamental basic human right of an individual to freely associate with another be repudiated and excoriated?

You asked what crime they committed and I told you already, all these your Shalayes are not for me. Criminalization of Homosexuality does not infringe on any human right.

chrisooblog:
you are very funny then the person that committed suicide should be arrested now charge his corpse to court.

being gay does not affect your existence in anyway. if you travel overseas to America or western Europe and you see two grown ass men kissing as much as it disgusts you throw way face. Why can't you throw way face here in Nigeria?

What are you even typing? If you are caught commiting sucide you will be arrested. What do you mean by affect your existence?

chrisooblog:
bros why should I arrest or jail somebody for who they chose to love? are they bringing it to my side? if not live and let live.

that said just because I tolerate your life style doesn't give you the right to come force it down my throat all to push your agenda.

Sorry but the bold is very ignorant and I will leave it at that. Do you know commiting sucide is crime?

donjazet:
First of all, what crimes have homosexuals commited?

*Criminal law* Read up on it, understand it before replying. . I don't have time for ignorant argument this period

Ibime:
All humans have rights. Criminals are punished for denying others their rights. I don't think half of Super Falcons team should be arrested and thrown in jail for ten years for being lesbians.

You still haven't come up with any tangible reasons why criminalization of Homosexuality is human rights abuse.

DontBullshitMe:
He was actually saying the same thing.

You posted that : " Criminalization of homosexuality is not a human rights abuse".

He, Ibíme responded that : "I guess Homos are not humans?" which means that If "Human rights are inalienable rights enjoyed by every human", Criminalization of homosexuality denies gays what should be a human right to them.

So, for you to argue in favour of the fact that Criminalization of homosexuality is not human rights abuse implies that you mean gays are not humans. He was basically questioning your post.

Now tell me the difference.

Dontbullshitme: Criminalization of Rape/murder is not a human rights abuse"

Godx: I guess rapist/murders are not humans?


So, for you to argue in favour of the fact that Criminalization of rape/murder is not human rights abuse implies that you mean rapist/murderers are not humans.


I am giving you back exactly as you wrote it.

Greatihex:
since making the rule, why has there not been any clamour for penalty or any penalty for a player non aggressively touching a ref until this Aguero incident that involved a female?

Double standards. Men will always do foolishly things as long as a woman is involved. I watched a video on youtube about domestic violence, the woman was punching and beating the man in public everybody was just passing by no one said or did anything. The man was continuously screaming "stop harassing me " yet nobody said anything or even questioned the woman. But the second I repeat "the second" the man tried defending himself and pushed the woman away, everybody rushed the man and almost beat him.

DontBullshitMe:
The actions of murderers and criminals threaten other people's freedom and rights. So, it's not a human right.

I will respectfully say your argument is weak.

Nigga I was not making an argument. I was showing him how daft it was to use the " homos are not humans" line. Every Freaking body is human.

Ibime:
I guess because homos are not humans?

I guess murderers and criminals are not human?

Ibime:
The ENDSARS list of demands has expanded into all sorts of demands about good governance beyond policing. I actually see nothing in the new demands that fit better with the original demands of the protest than challenging a law that enshrines the abuse of human rights, of which Police are the first arbiters of justice.

Jumping from #EndSars to asking Buhari to resign or NASS to take paycut is more of a leap than addressing a human rights issue which ENDSARS is primarily all about. The criminalisation of homosexuality and the 10 years penalty for it is more related to the human rights abuses that underpinned ENDSARS than the subsequent demands for Good Governance, which are not human rights issues.

Criminalization of Homosexuality Is not in any form or shape a human right abuse.

rationalmind:
Well said. I see people do this all the time and I find it really annoying. The moment I see things like last 6 matches, last 10 matches, I just know someone is trying to push an agenda.

How is using a player recent performance in 8, 10, 15 and maybe 18games to gauge his output an agenda? Let say you striker starts the season scoring 10 goals in 10 games and then proceed not to score in the next 10 games, if a person points out the striker hasn't scored in his last ten games so he is not performing, is that agenda or facts?

joviegghead:
Messi is declining? Yes!
In terms of goal scoring? Yea.

Should you be surprised? Nope. The world expected it. We expected a time when Messi will revert to a play making role. Why the hell is it such a big deal? His assists and chance created stats have risen recently, as we've anticipated years back.

Messi himself said that he is less-obsessed with goals. Still the man takes shots in matches to get goals for team, like we saw yesterday.

So what's the basis for the criticism? He should be benched? Okay. Name the most creative player in the team. Nobody! Except Messi!

As for his seemingly lackadaisical attitude. Not surprising. Dude has seen all that can be seen. I've said that he seems changed. Maybe competition somewhere else will bring out that fire. But for now all we can do is enjoy what's left of the genius and hope barca can come with a strong team.

He is not our problem. The team(some players) , the management are.

And maybe no fans to make his head swell

*If Messi doesn't want to be here then he should have been sold. That's a potential 150M Barca could have gotten from Messi sale to improve the team.

* Messi position is a big problem for Barca set up and for any coach.

The question is where does one play Messi?

He can't play as a #9 as his movement is poor and has no aerial/physical presence, can't play as false 9, he doesn't have the pace nor workrate nor stamina to play at Right wing, he doesn't have the workrate, stamina or positional discipline to play in midfield.

I just don't understand where you can play a player like that without destroying the entire teams shape. we used to get away with it as he'd bail us out 9 times out of 10 but this isn't the case anymore.

tesppidd:
I posted that Messi had declined yes but its a natural phenomenon at 33.
But you're amazed that he's declined.

Even at that, his all round contribution to the team still beats every other player but obviously what you were trying to preach all along was that he should have been sold.

What you displayed was selective amnesia and cherry picking stats.

I have never seen where someone picks 18 games across 2 seasons and judges a player based on that.

Normal people do it season by season but out of mischief you judge by 18 games across 2 seasons. Bleep!

We all know that Messi got 25 goals and 21 assists last season 2019/20.

This season is just getting started!

You don't even have any player who posted better stats than that in your team yet your nagging like a house wife.

Niggar GTFOH.

K

khingTony:
You shouldn't be arguing with that guy, he doesn't leave any post that criticizes Messi unattended to.

Usually I don't answer Messi fanatics who can't take Criticism of Messi it's always tiring.

tesppidd:
I tried to explain why the entire team including Messi was struggling then you brought in the word decline.

And to justify your use of the word decline you kept on insisting on open play.

If you really think that you should judge him solely on that open play crap then someone has to check u.

Carry your myopic analysis out of here.

You didn't try explaining anything that made sense. I even went further to clearly show you Messi struggles didn't start this season so that excuse won't fly. Through out 2020 he has been terrible in finding the back of the net. If you like accept or not that's on you and any other mental gymnastics you want to apply to believe Messi has not decline.

tesppidd:
[s] Look at our attackers this season.

Griezman 1 goal
Coutinho 1 goal
Dembele 0 goal
Brathwaite 0 goal
Trincao 0 goal

Yet Messi is your problem.

All these anti Barca fans in disguise sef. [/s]

This is not related to my post in any way.

tesppidd:
For starters if You're talking about a "decline" and your definition of a decline is strictly when a footballer is not scoring goals from open play then that is absolute bullshit.

You remove freekicks, you remove assists, you remove chances created especially for a footballer who plays basically a free role, again that is a load of horseshit.

I did my research for the last 18 games.

And he scored 1 against Mallorca, 1 against Osasuna, 2 against Alavez, 1 against Napoli.

And a total of 11 Assists across them 18 games.

It's your own cup of tea if you don't want to talk about assists.

He is not a striker so when you restrict your assessment to goals from open play then you're been very myopic.

In his last 18 games he's been directly involved in 20 Goals for Barca.

Let that sink in.

If you wanted to add assists and chances created then you should not have quoted me. You are the one turning the discussion to an area it doesn't concern. My initial post below stated clearly the area of concern I have about Messi.

Godx:
When are we going to talk about Messi struggles and inability to score from open play?

We should have cash out on Messi this past window. Most teams would have payed 100million for him. We could have potentially save close to 200million from his transfer and wages. Bartomeu is an idiot.

tesppidd:
Okay;

In Messi's last 18 matches for Barca, he has scored;

*5 Goals,
*4 Penalties,
*11 Assists.

This is summarily 20 direct goal contributions in 18 matches.
I bet you still better than 99 percent of all the footballers in the world.

It's a decline from Messi's standards alright,
but if this is what you're alarmed about a 33 year old then you're being unfair.


Make of this what you will. I don't know where you got your figures from;
probably lifted from an anonymous page.

Not talking about assists. Specifically talking about Messi scoring from open play.


* In 19 la liga matches last season from January to August he only scored an open play goal in 4 matches

*1:0 vs granada
*5:0 vs eibar 4 goals
*4:0 vs mallorca scored in 93rd mins
*5:0 vs alaves. Scored twice last game of the season.


All other goals were penalties and one freekick. In the champions league too he scored only one goal from open play in 3 matches (vs Napoli). 19+3=22matches

When we add the 3 league games this season that means he has scored from open play in only 5 of his last 25games for Barca.

tesppidd:
I said it here from the beginning; our opening fixtures for this season are fire!

Among the big teams in la liga we had the touchest opening fixtures;

Sevilla
Villareal
Getafe
Celta

It's been a very tough start for Barca.

For a team that's undergoing rebuilding, we have not done badly.
With all Messi went through before the season, he's played very well.

The 'new' team will blend and Messi will score goals.

Even Griezman that is missing one on ones for fun should be given time.

it didn't start from this season Bro. Messi decline has been showing since the start of the year and most fans are beginning to notice it at other Barca forums. Messi only has 3 open play goals In his last 18matches. He has only scored from open play In 2 of his last 18 matches. On top of that he has no position and just do whatever he likes.

When are we going to talk about Messi struggles and inability to score from open play?