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Expert17:
Some people just like saying rubbish in public.............

Comparing POGBA to MC tominay, Fred etc........

Apart from Mata, who can open up Defensive line with a Pass Who can play a Cross-field pass Who can create chances, when team pack bus ..... U guys are just sentimental........

Take it or leave it,...... POGBA is d biggest name in Man Utd Squad.....

Put POGBA in a better team like Man city or Liverpool, and watch his Assists increase wonderfully........ POGBA dat Wil pass to martial, Rashford and dey will miss 8 clear chances out of 10.......

POGBA is the First name in France Midfied ( world cup winners).....

Quote me anywhere- POGBA will start in any Team in this world.

tesppidd:
Rubbish!

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joviegghead:
So messi should be blamed for our dry spell in terms of goalscoring.

Funny thing is messi has said it plainly that he's focused on creating chances and helping the team. And if possibly he do his best to still keep scoring.

That statement shows a selfless outlook. If messi had scored 90% of our goals.
Someone like you will still come online and say he loves hugging all glory and pushes other attackers into second frame.
Another thing is he knows barca is deficient in the creative department. No one can be trusted to create consistently.

Our goals this season , Messi has had a role on most of them. This is undisputable.

Yet all you see is 'he hasn't scored from open play'.

Oga Criticizer, continue. Even football pundits have constantly lauded messi who drops back and still make things happen. He's everywhere. Griezmann we praise for work rate, what has he done? 1 goal!

I didn't even understand what you typing anymore. This guy you will say A, somebody will reply your A then you will jump to Z then W and end at M. What you have written now how does it relate to your initial post that started this discussion in the first place which was about our "Attackers being poor at finishing"

hopefulLandlord:
I think you're conflating the words "Track back" and "Drop deep". Messi drops deep to get balls but that doesn't mean he tracks back as tracking back would mean coming back to try to win the ball by pressing, marking, chasing etc. what Messi does is "walk slowly" back and hope his hardworking Barcelona teammates has recovered the ball before he gets to just before the halfway line so they would pass to him and he tries to create

Messi is arguably the worst player in terms of tracking back. doesn't even try to mark when the ball is around him most times except when he feels like.
The problem with this tactic is that while it would work most times against most Laliga oppositions who are inferior to Barcelona, it's destined for failure against teams that defend as a unit and attack as one like Bayern who has quality but all players put in defensive efforts when the team is out of possession. Yes there are coaches that instruct some players not to put in defensive shift but I seriously doubt There's any coach that would instruct a player to be as useless as Messi is when Barcelona don't have the ball especially in big games against quality oppositions

When Ancelotti came to Madrid, he said in a press conference that Ronaldo does not need to track back and defend and Ronaldo reduced his defensive efforts but when Madrid is facing a quality opposition like in that season's semi finals against Bayern you could see him track back, press, mark, make defensive headers during set pieces amongst others. Even the equaliser that season against juventus at in Italy came from him pressuring lichsteiner who lost the ball and lead to his (Ronaldo's) goal

I have been preaching this gospel ( at the bold) since like forever and you have people saying Messi should be just be a Midfielder when he is very lazy and not discplined enough.

Godx:
Try competing at top when midfield have to adapt to a player that cant/wont track back and adapt to the lack of options from players running off ball etc.
Messi when ball in his area is best ever but off the ball he is Barcas biggest weakness in terms of attacking/defending as a unit.

Sociedad targetted our right side all night and we were lucky they did not get more joy from it.

Godx:
Messi definitely followed Pep tactical instructions. I won't say he was free under Guardiola and then you look at Enrique first season when Messi was purely a winger damn he was a monster. We had Messi and Neymar destroying both wings. I have never been a fan of Messi having free role and dropping into midfield because it renders one of our wing useless. You either have Messi take a disciplined tactical role or you have an unbalanced team - not both.

tesppidd:
[s] What you're already saying in November 2020 is that the day we get knocked out in 2021 it will be because of Messi.

Your logic is filthy, it stinks. [/s]

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tesppidd:
[s] So if we get knocked out by a big team;

*It will not be because we just had a new coach who is bringing in a new pattern, philosophy, and style.

*It will not be because the coach has made a couple of poor decisions wrt his team selections.

*It will not be because we have a lot of new and young players who need time to blend in.

*It will not be because Lenglet and Neto made elementary mistakes that cost us to technically lose 4 points in our last 2 league matches and more such errors will come.

*It will not be because our strikers Griezman and Braithwaite cannot score goals.

*It will not be because our defence might be a little shaky like it's always been and concede easy goals.


YOU HAVE NO ANY IDEA YET HOW MANY GOALS DEMBELE, GRIEZMAN, COUTINHO, FATI, TRINCAO AND PEDRI WILL SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.
OR HOW MANY ERRORS PIQUE, LENGLET AND NETO WILL MAKE AT THE BACK.
OR HOW MANY WRONG SELECTIONS DONALD TRUMP-LOOKING KOEMAN WILL MAKE ALONG THE WAY;

BUT IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM IF WE GET KNOCKED OUT AGAIN IT WILL BE ENTIRELY BECAUSE MESSI HAS NOT SCORED FROM OPEN PLAY OR WILL NOT SCORE FROM OPEN PLAY.


You are extremely indiscretionary. It's a disgrace to this thread. [/s]

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joviegghead:
SatanX!!!

Dead

They are so annoying. Will be bringing up illogical arguments as if they were born criticize Messi. Mehn,...

*Illogical argument*

You mean Messi finding it difficult to score from open play since January is illogical and not worthy to be talked about? From covid-19 la liga restart till today he has only scored 3goals from open play out of 17matches
Or, scored on 2 matches in the last 17 La liga matches from an open play. I will keep shut from henceforth and when we get disgraced again by another big team then you shift the blame to the coach as usual.

joviegghead:
You still can't decipher what I just wrote?!
Okay I'll spell it.

Your excuses for other attackers doesn't make sense. You claim Griezmann's hasn't had playing time? Nah! Check again. Fam, has played and has had barca's best scoring chances. Guess what?! He missed 98% of them.

You claim Trincao have shipped in few goals! Nah! He hasn't even dropped an assist(I think). Pedri, just 1 or 2. Coutinho, let's not talk about that one.

You defended Dembele. Yes, he hasn't played much but the boy's decision-making can be terrible like in Turin.

You claim Messi has taken over 70% of the teams shot and he hasn't scored. This is the same guy that drops deep to create chances and makes things happen. What about the other attackers playing? Your stat simply highlights the bluntness and one-sided nature of barca attack with only Messi aiming shots while the rest of the team(including other attackers) can boast of less than 30% shot.

Doesn't that sound like our attackers need to start stepping up? Yet you single out Messi as the only faulty attacker not scoring from open play.

* Griezmann has hardly had game time in his preferred position. He had been shuffled to the wings and when he plays he averages one/ two shot per match. Can you imagine that stats? A goal scorer like Grez averaging one shot per match and you are labeling him wasteful?


*Countinho and Pedri has more open play goals than Messi this season hope you know that?


* Messi averaging 70% of our shots shows how our other attackers are being ignored in good position and everyone keeps passing to Messi because that's what he wants. There was a period during the sevilla match Fati took a shot and Messi was angry and shouted at him for not passing to him. Imagine Fati in that position next time what do you think he will do? You think only Messi likes taking shots because Griezmann, Dembele and countinho don't have legs as well.


*Messi is our only attcker apart from trin who hasn't scored from open play this season despite taking 70% of all our attempts so who should the bulk of the blame go to for our poor finishing?

joviegghead:
Griezmann barely gets any game? Same Griezmann that was starting games and we all were complaining?
Trincao and Pedri have shipped in 'few goals'? Really? Okay, how many?
Okay just forget it. You just wanna attack Messi. You claim Messi has taken 70% percent? And the other attackers? So he's the only attacker in the team aye? . Isn't it shameful you still can't decipher that if one person is taking practically a huge chunk of the team's shots it speaks volumes of the inefficiency of other attacker when it comes hunger for shooting or troubling keepers at least.

But never mind. I always know you to be a Messi critic.
But wait, you're really saying Messi is the only poor finisher? Really?

You haven't actually wrote anything that countered what I wrote in my post.

TLona1:
[s] Since that same January that you mentioned, who has had the most goals and assists for Barcelona? [/s]

This is not related to my post in any way.

OJURONGBE1:
Your opinion bro!
You were here throughout last season when some fans were calling for Tammy Abraham's head despite his goal returns , did you utter a word in support of the bloke?

This is a nice reply lol.

joviegghead:
Griezmann(legend! Don't let yesterday's goal deceive you) , Messi (Man has missed some bread-and-butter chances) , Dembele (intermittent poor decision making like in the Turin game), Trincao still needs to develop.

Griezmann barely get any game time talkless of chances to score so I don't understand how you can say he has poor with his finishing except from that one chance against Getafe i think. Fati has been brilliant in front of goal this season. Dembele is in the same boat as Griezmann. Trincao and pedri have shipped in with few goals this season as well. The only attacker who has been piss poor when it comes to finishing is Messi and he has been poor in that aspect since January but when I mentioned it I am a fake fan and a hater. He has taken almost 70% of all our shots this season more than all our other attackers combined but can't still score from open play.

patrickmuf:
At least writing in single letter leaves you looking more intelligent than when you drop those irrelevant and unsolicited comments here...

K

patrickmuf:
Shouldn't you rather worry about Barcelona? You are you so obsessed with Manchester United? Did you ex girlfriend leave you for a Manchester United fan?

K

joviegghead:
You can list them out. Aren't you a barca fan

joviegghead:
Lastly, the attackers are very poor at finishing. I don't understand why. Its like they value dribbling and fancy football. Same thing happened at Turin.

Aren't you the one that typed the post above or am I the one that wrote the post for you ?Which of our attackers have been very poor at finishing like you wrote above.

joviegghead:
Everyone is complaining. Some blaming messi. Others koeman. Some single out busquets.

I've said it that this team has a long way to go. If y'all think messi dropping back to create chances is a problem, you might be right. But who's gonna create. Sad that barca doesn't have an out-and-out striker.

Koeman is killing himself by making poor decisions. Busquets ffs shouldn't be playing. Also this double pivot thing is failing.

If koeman doesn't want Messi dropping deep let him say it.
Lastly, the attackers are very poor at finishing. I don't understand why. Its like they value dribbling and fancy football. Same thing happened at Turin. Wasting chances and only won with a deflected shot and a late penalty. Sad!

Which of our attacker(s) has been poor in finishing this season?

Melvyn11:
Alaye come of it and always resist the urge to shalaye. According to you Greenwood became a starter after the lockdown so let's take a look at his performance against big teams and big matches during that period shall we,

Against Tottenham............Trash

Against Leicester.............Trash

Europa league quarter final........Trash

Europa League semi final.........Trash

Fa cup quarter final............Trash

Fa cup semi final...............Trash

The "man who can't be marked" and who "Defenders should be scared of" has zero good performance against big teams. Ole has a good reason to sit him on the bench after all. Score against relegation teams and get called the best finisher in the league lmao

Patrickmuf and treblechamp won't like this

Melvyn11:
Can't you see how senseless his post was. We are talking about greenwood hype somebody is mentioning Vinicus and rodrigo which has no relation to anything.The question "How many goals has greenwood scored against big teams" made all of them senseless and turn to premium Shalayes.

That guy level of whataboutism is something else . Just look how he read this your post and immediately jumped into Rodrigo and others. The question hook am

Melvyn11:
This hype is getting ridiculous. How many big teams has he scored against?

afrodoc2:
Eden Hazard + Vinicius + Rodrygo (190 million Euro) = 10 goals in 90 league games combined.


Mason Greenwood (0 Euro) = 10 goals in 38 league games.


Even Benzema had to come out and confess that Vinicius was a short one, telling Ferland Mendy "don't pass to him brother, he is playing for the other team"

You guys should stop bothering with these clowns.

Melvyn11:
Aired by what? A useless and shameless whataboutism post by afrodoc2 without context or relation to Greenwood goal record against big teams.

Melvyn11:
Epl fans are ridiculous. The way they are praising his finishing one would think he was banging in goals against the big teams on a regular but check his goal records it's all against relegation fodders.

You mean he is doing a lukaku

Melvyn11:
The man "who can't be marked out"How many big teams has he scored against?

Zero

BlueRayDick:
Don't mind the Ediot......I'm sure the dragging they gave him on Twitter already got to him hence the apology. Imagine someone as enlightened as him not being able to discern peaceful protesters from the same hoodlums himself, the speaker and their other cronies used in winning elections for themselves.

I just hate the fact that they are lumping everyone together when they know the truth within themselves. Instead of calling out those who did everything possible to truncate the peaceful protests, they are busy chatting shiiit.
Desmond is one big disppaointment to the youth.

Himself and Yahya Bello of Kogi are very dangerous examples of "the youths are not ready to take political leadership "

You are only typing this because you lost absolutely nothing due to looting.

Kimbeast:
I just saw Ronaldo champions league record for Madrid and I was dumbfounded.


How can you score 105goals in 101matches in the Freaking Champions league. United need to demand extra 100million from Madrid because that 80million was a scam price

Funny thing is Madrid even sold him for more than they paid for him.

I hope this isn't you

TrebleChamp:
Totally agree on the point of making money, just see how Rashford is regressing after signing his 200k per week deal. I look forward to seeing Sancho play for us

The man without tactics claims another victim. If I be spillo1 I for dey drag patrickmuf,nezzjnr and treblechamp anyhow.

DissTroy:
Rakitic has never really played like a Barça player. Never. He was part of the treble-winning team and scored an important goal in the UCL finals but the only reason he was even playing that match in the first place was because we had a Luis Enrique who took a piss on the tika taka philosophy.
That 2015 UCL Final (and the journey to winning it) pales in comparison to the 2009 and 2011 editions we won. Ask yourself why.

Is Rakitic a good football player? Yes. Is he a fitting Barça player who understands tiki taka which is Barça's DNA? No. Always obvious he never would even in a sextillion years.
And if you don't know understand what defines a Barça-esque player even after my explanation then it calls into question your claim of being a Cule in the first place.

2015 treble winners does not pale in any comparism to Barca of 2009/2011.
You guys still live in the bubble of Barca domination of 2009 to 2011 it's becoming a disease . That's when this rubbish talk of Barca dna became a curse that every young player from the academy is termed the next Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. Those players are once in a lifetime and Barca is not going to produce those kind of players for the next twenty years if not more . So expecting anything like Barca of 2009 is senseless. When Barca won the champions league in 2006 go and look at our starting midfielders. Through out Barca history we have always bought the best players from around the world and dominated. Trying to rewrite Barca history like it started from 2009.

DissTroy:
Complete hogwash! Bartomeu is responsible for bringing shitty, un-Barca-like players like Rakitic and spent farm horses like Arda Turan, Paulinho and the likes to Barça as replacement for the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Alves and more.

Bartomeu is responsible for appointing coaches who do not adhere to the tiki taka philosophy like Enrique, Valverde and Setien, while almost completely leaving out Barça academy players with no option to phase them into the first team.

Bartomeu is responsible for shelling out hundreds of millions to buy just about any player he fancied while selling out key squad players for peanuts.

Messi would still command humongous wages in any team as evidenced by PSG, Man. City and Man. United being willing to foot the bills when there was a seeming opening for Messi to leave Barcelona.

Messi has throughout Bartomeu's infamous dictatorial mishap you call "presidency" been responsible for singlehandedly winning Barcelona more points and games and trophies than all of the spent mules he spent millions buying.
Messi has had to churn out mesmerizing displays just to score more goals because the defense was getting more penetrations than the wenches at Allen Avenue.
Messi has, in spite of Bartomeu Jong Un, won more individual awards in that period than any other footballer in Europe's top leagues because he has been outstanding.
Messi has continually razed the scoring charts in that period than any other footballer you can think of, including assists and ranks high on take-on charts.

Stick to adulating the footballing Michael Phelps your moniker pays homage. Football is not water sports.

This is disrespectful and rude towards Rakitic who was a key member of our treble winning team and their is nothing like un-Barca-players.

Segedinho:
But it ended in tears.

U don't rush a very shrewed man u team any how u like.


Ask Liverpool n Man city... .

Look at how Chelsea fans are showing respect to a United team coached by the man without tactics. Patrickmuf, nezzjnr , treblechamp and nitrogen won't like this

Elnino4ladies:
Exactly my point. An slowpoke can win with Barcelona playing with the best in almost every position. Why you think say FIFA, UEFA never nominate am for any award before

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Elnino4ladies:
Won it playing with the best in the world.
He won't survive outside Barça.

Where was he supposed to win it before? At Norwich, West brom or levante?

Moura7:
Nailed it man.....no disrespect to those two but are they creative enough. Can they spot runs and make those cutting edge through balls? God I miss Iniesta. I think Pedri can tho, when playing in the middle , puig too

Where does Liverpool and Bayern Munich creativity come from? Can you enlighten the players let's compare to those at Barca. So you are telling me a midfield three of Countinho,De Jong and Pjanic/Busi can't pass through balls or spot runs or the two fullbacks In alba and dest as well are not creative.

swiz123:
Honestly, Busquet has to be the biggest liability in football.

The so called "liability" has won it all in world football.