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Melvyn11:
Greatihex I have an interesting question to ask, Was Kepa/ your defense bad under Sarri or he/it became bad when lampard took over?

Lampard is the issue with Chelsea. He is an attacking coach with Zero capability of organizing the defensive parts. Chelsea record under lampard is 63goals conceded in 43epl games.

IKON360:
Thank you.
But Barca Messi is still Argentina Messi. Argentina isn't a club, they never had the players like Barca did. But they did extremely well in 2014 World Cup, coming 2nd with Messi the best player. So I think Messi has been very crucial and influential not just in Barca but for Argentina.
Remember they did his miracle to even qualify for 2018 World Cup. And there was no Xavi and Iniesta nor Guardiola. Messi has been phenomenal I tell you. Heck he has reached 3 finals with Argentina, 2 at Copa America and 1 at the world cup and he was the best player or among the best players for these tournaments. So I think Messi is that important.
Of course Xavi and Iniesta elevated that Barca side but Messi was extremely crucial

Well I disagree on the bold. Barca Messi and Argentina Messi are very different bro. Maybe due to lack of players,world class coach or proper system but Barca Messi is very distinct from the Messi I see in Argentina. Argentina have never utilized Messi properly and apart from one competition which was the Copa America he has never light up any tournament with Argentina like he does regularly in the champions league.

IKON360:
Nah, Guardiola would always been known for coaching and creating one of the greatest teams of all time AND the greatest player of all time. You can't mention Guardiola without mentioning Messi and you can't mention Messi without mentioning Guardiola. Heck Messi won 4 Ballon d'ors under Guardiola's tutelage and shattered record after record under Guardiola. Guardiola was in charge when we had the best versions of Messi

I would rather say Guardiola brought out the best version of Barca Messi. It's refreshing to see a
fellow Barca fan that's rational unlike others that are quick to tag other people posts as "trash and nonsense".

joviegghead:
Oh dear! So you're saying a Messi-included man city/Bayern team wouldn't achieve anything. Damn!

I think I know the problem. You're just another 'i-am-not-a-messi-asslicker' fan. Trying to prove nonsense.

K

joviegghead:
It's your opinion. But This claim of yours has expired.

But again, it's your opinion. Take out Messi from that team and imagine what will be left.

See the thrash you're spewing. "If Guardiola had the prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did" . Just wow.

Just give him Messi. That's all.

I am not making any claims, I am speaking facts you are just blinded by sentiments not to se it but it's ok bro. We had Messi but have been disgraced the last couple seasons in the champions league. Your theory of just give him Messi is already down in dust.

IKON360:
Well you have point, because the midfield without Messi won the world cup and two Euros. And Messi without that midfield hasn't won an international trophy. Even though these were awesome players.
But I still think that Messi was instrumental in taking that midfield to the next level of excellence. If you watched some of Spain's matches in that 2010 and many of Guardiola's matches without Messi, some resolute teams have proven extremely difficult to break down. From Madrid, Athletico Madrid for Guardiola to Germany, Netherlands etc for Spain.
But I still think that Guardiola is known today, not because of his work with the best midfielders in the last 10 years but because of his work with the best player ever

Well put but at the bold bro Guardiola is well known today for creating and coaching one of the greatest teams of all time not Messi.

joviegghead:
I'll totally understand you trying to downplay Messi's influence in barca's success.
You said Messi's performances with argentina proved his over reliance on the midfield trio during Pep's era. How about his performances after that?

See bro, the midfield was important, but Messi was the man. He wasn't just the cherry on top of the cake, he was the X factor. He practically made the job of the midfield and attackers look easier.

The midfield trio thrived with Spain not because they were superhunans , but because Spain was bursting with talents. The Spanish midfield had xabi alonso and others who made things happen with or without them. Simply put, the Spanish team was complete from attack to defense.

Bro you are clouded by sentiments and it shows. Messi was the best player at Barca during Pep era no one is debating that with you but he was not the X factor. The X factor for Barca dominating teams and regarded as one of the greatest teams of all time was our Midfield trio spearheaded by Xavi. Without Messi, the trio also dominated Europe and the World. The base of our legendary team was Xavi, Iniesta and Busi. If Guardiola had that prime trio at Bayern and City he would have dominated more than he did. Check Messi performance for Argentina and Barca during Pep era and see the difference.

IKON360:
The front three had Messi fyi

And?

IKON360:
What of Enrique? He won UCL and the midfield was without Xavi...

This is about Pep's Barca not Enrique. Enrique Barca was built on our Amazing front 3 not Midfield.

FirstbornWds:
Bros. There's no gain proving what's not right.

Aside from the being the tactical genius and having a midfield trio that could press, who was responsible for scoring most of the goals, providing assists, splitting the defenses with dribbles that would cause even the defenders to commit frustrating fouls?

Messi or who?

Need I tell you that our most embarrassing moment in the Cl then to Bayern was basically because Messi was not fit.

The same goes for Jose's Inter Milan Semi-final against us. The cage was against Messi primarily.

I can go on to mention lots of matches that it took the exceptional brilliance of Messi to break through!

It was also during this period that he won the Ballon D'or back-back, with the likes of Iniesta and Xavi coming behind.


Mind you, I'm not downplaying the trio's contribution ( + Dani Alves too) to Pep best days... But placing Messi behind them is way not acceptable. Even Guardiola will rubbish that claim.


It's like not recognizing that it is what he wants to create out of Sterling even when it's obvious that KDB is the craftmaker at City.

Bro you still haven't said anything we don't know before. Pep Barca was built on Midfield domination. That trio was the essence of Barca domination under Pep especially Xavi which even Spain benefitted from. Messi was just the cherry on top,the finishing touch. Like I said before Messi performance for Argentina and Barca during Pep era proves it.

FirstbornWds:
Swallow this, please. Messi was the crown of Pep's Barca. There's no disputing that.

But then, we mustn't rubbish the midfield prowess then too.

Barca's dependence on Messi didn't start 5 years ago. It wasn't just so obvious because we had other players that understood when to complement him when needed.

There's no need to be economical with the truth here.

Messi was not the crown of Peps Barca and that's the fact. The midfield trio was the crown of Pep Barca. Without that Midfield trio there will be no Pep Barca. Messi performance with Argentina and Barca during Pep era proves this. You are the one being economical with the truth here.

IKON360:
After that how many times has he done it? Any way you look at it, Messi is the crown of Guardiola. Even Valverde has reached UCL semis.

The midfield trio was the crown of Pep Barca not Messi.

I still remember the argument about Tammy choosing England over Nigeria. I hope those who where in favor of his decision see how stupid it was now. Tammy was never good enough for England in the first place.

Elnino4ladies:
I will choose to play second fiddle in English team than to be a regular in Nigeria team

spillo1:
if you really look at the long term prospects for the players, their positions means sooner or later they will be second fiddle as long as certain players are in the England team. Why be a backup to a striker like Kane which means you won't even start matches and only by God intervention will you even play than be first choice in Nigeria. Is there any rational reason at all.

Swissh:
Leave the idiot Abraham. He can feck off to England. When Osimhen will be balling at the next world cup he will be watching on TV.

popizaino:
Yes.........and that's because officiating this days have been made to favour attackers than defender, and it's the same reason why present day attackers will just be breaking goal scoring records even without trying hard.

Maybe it's because they are better class of attackers around today. Faster, smarter, & more clinical.

Melvyn11:
This is not accurate at all. His bad reputation primarily comes from the fact that he's fiercely loyal towards his players and prioritizes their well-being above everything. I have never heard that he fell out with one of his clients because he always gets them what they want. As a club, you have a problem the moment the player wants out and you want him to stay. In such situations, Raiola is pretty much your nightmare. Funny thing is, clubs complain about him but when he's on their side, they have absolutely no problem with his methods.

When Mkhitaryan left Dortmund there were reports of Raiola throwing around chairs in their office. A year later they signed another client of his and recently Haaland. At the end of the day it's just business and as long as the player is happy you won't hear a word from Raiola. All his clients love him.

Amoto94:
That was when men were defending with everything they got and getting nominated for best CBs not what's obtainable today that a traffic warden is hailed as the heir to Baresi and Stam

Alaye it was 2007 here not the early 80"s or 90"s. There is no difference between defending then and now. Infact scratch that, defending now is better than then. The old school central defenders wont do that well in the modern game.

Amoto94:
Stick to shouting up Chelsea or posting Sunday sermons

O wrong na

Kimbeast:
Is Rudiger and Gosens really the best left defense Germany can trot out? Germany and Spain are in the same boat.

Man the back 4 from Germany is really not impressive for their standards

iamoyindamola:
They got experience past players that won something still
What does England have

The only experience players they have are Ramos and busq. That won't count for anything bro.

iamoyindamola:
No one is doubting that
I'm talking about winning mentality and fighting spirit

Well this current Spain squad has never won anything nor have we seen any fighting spirit from them.

Segedinho:
Lols


Na d initial post be d probs??

I saw a vid...i asked if there was a possible way to upload so that everyone would see it.


Thank God it was uploaded..

Come and analyse it nao..

You are waiting from wen d bullet left d gun n met d man as if na nollywood.

Even they blame 4 trained policemen say dem no sabi aim even at a very close range..

Clap 4 urself

The possibility of 4 police officers shooting a single man with up to 12 bullets and missing him entirely without even a single scratch is very low. Leave these guys arguing please.

iamoyindamola:
England of all countries
I will rather bet on the lowest ranked country in the euros

We are talking about squad strength. Man for man England can boast of a better squad than Spain at the moment.

Kimbeast:
My God how did Spain get to this level of mediocrity.

They went from from xavi, iniesta,fabregas, Silva, to Rodrigo, canales and Merino

iamoyindamola:
mediocre that can win Euro next year

Win which Euro? When England can boost of a better squad than Spain then you know something is wrong.

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Skimpledawg:
But na you post the total goals scored and you still dey argue say JM na defensive coach.

Aside this season stats, do you have substantial stats of JM previous seasons to prove he is a defensive coach or you chose to believe what you hear in viewing centers?

You are getting it wrong. This was the post he was talking about. He didn't want to quote the person so he copied and paste the main point of the post and gave his reply under it.

Joezinho:
Mou this season - Games 8. Goals 25..

But he's a defensive manager . Ole is an attacking coach.

KingAlabi:
Mourinho has scored 25 goals this season yet you call him a defensive coach

What kind of fuckery is this
So because Mourinho dey score goals this season he isn't a defensive coach again

I agree with nitrogen, some United fans should just stick with shouting "up man U"

spillo1:
Why are some people acting like Ronaldo legendary status at United is not debatable. He left at 24 and gave his prime to another club. As far as the ''legend'' status goes, it's all a matter of a personal opinion. For some people his contribution is enough to make him a legend, but for others a player leaving before he's even 25 to join his dream club that he holds in higher regard, takes the ''legend'' status away. It's almost pointless arguing about it as there's no ''football legend'' definition in the dictionary.

Another interesting twist on this topic would the status of Brazilian Ronaldo. No one can deny that he's overall a legend of football, but does he qualify as a legend at any particular club? He is definitely not a Barca legend.

timay:
Here we go again. Na so dem hype Maguire as the next Maldini for us. Saying he will start in most teams. Meanwhile Baba is a fridge who struggles at highline defending because he moves like a trailer

Na here we go dey greenwood go still outscore him by season end even though Greenwood is being played as a RW instead of CF

Is this you?

timay:
Your pessimism is expected and I won't really blame you for that, considering the fact that English players have acquired the tag of "Overated and Overpriced flops". But trust me, Maguire is good. I've followed him since he signed for Leicester.

Melvyn11:
Somebody asked this question before and nobody answered. If a club wanted to sign Greenwood this season how much do you think United should demand for him?

Nobody is going to answer. This question will always make them mute.

TrebleChamp:
Because he plays for Dortmund, put Rashford, Martial or even Greenwood in that Dortmund team..

This post is just giving me this expert17 vibe about Pogba

Expert17:
Some people just like saying rubbish in public.............

Comparing POGBA to MC tominay, Fred etc........

Apart from Mata, who can open up Defensive line with a Pass Who can play a Cross-field pass Who can create chances, when team pack bus ..... U guys are just sentimental........

Take it or leave it,...... POGBA is d biggest name in Man Utd Squad.....

Put POGBA in a better team like Man city or Liverpool, and watch his Assists increase wonderfully........ POGBA dat Wil pass to martial, Rashford and dey will miss 8 clear chances out of 10.......

POGBA is the First name in France Midfied ( world cup winners).....

olabode89:
If Ole is a smart coach, since we have been unable to buy a proper RW and our defence have been comical he should switch to a 3-5-2 formation. Rotate Martial, Greenwood, Rashford and Cavani as the two strikers. Shaw can play as the LCB closest to the LWB. Telles is s perfect candidate for LWB. The problem is who will play as RWB. Wan Bissaka is extremely poor with a very low football IQ, poor touch, etc. Crystal Palace scammed us big time.

How can you say AWB has low football iq. Expert won't like this

Expert17:
I will pick AWB over Trent everyday, every time.......

Athletico madrid are so good defending.....
Football is not just abt Attacking but also Defending Masterclass....

iamoyindamola:
You jumped into an argument that you know nothing about and instead of you to admit you ended it with k.
You think you have sense abi

The players I listed for you are they english players? The 16yr old Madrid bought for 41million is he english? I don't have time for back and forth senseless argument when its based on sentiments and not facts.