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komekn:
One game doesn't make a player give him time.

When the world cup has almost started ba

safarigirl:
Onyekuru is not a Top 9, this has been extensively discussed on this thread already. Playing him there will have similar effects to playing Iheanacho there

Which Ighalo should they try again? Has he not been over tried in that position?

Martins? So that he will waste our time the way Joel wasted our time, abi?

This is the problem, some folks think we still have the time to try new players. If anyone observes, rohr keeps using the core of his team for the friendlies with just one or two new injections. The man Sef no get time for too much experiment. The world cup is here already

darkelf:
A sports analyst once said Rohr's major problem is sticking to known failures (either in tactics or personnel selection). At the time, I thought the statement was ludicrous but now, it seems the man has a point.

I think this is harsh on the coach. If you say he is conservative, yes. All through Mikel years in Chelsea he was DM but any time he plays for eagles he is an AM, were the se coaches then sticking to failure concerning Mikel? With mikel already in the middle of the pack, iwobi surely will be drafted wide if they must play together

MetalJigsaw:
I love this comment. Abdul Ajagun or any natural AM should be invited to reduce this over reliance on an ageing Mikel. We need someone who can at least deliver 50-60% of what Mikel does for the team. It is very critical

50-60%, made me remember the song. Give me something light.

We need something light as AM now

Martz101:
Mikel this...mikel that, he won't play the 11 wings, the time you guys realise a better team can beat you irrespective of who place, the better for us, Mikel might add some advantage but he wont only save us from been beaten.

Mikel is not as influential as Okocha when he was in the team, we still get beaten even at his best

With okocha Denmark still nack us 4-1 nah

forgiveness:
For your information, Obafemi Martins won continental trophy.

Now, tell me another thing.

Which one? Intertoto cup, that one na trophy?

kennysville:
Friends, countrymen, Nairalanders....
(Yes its been a while yall read that)

First of all, its a good thing that we lost the match so we dont have false expectations of our boys. To those who wanted the loss, yall got your wishes. To those who didnt want us to lose, well its part of the game.

Correct me folks if I am wrong, but we all knew we didnt have a creative midfielder outside of Mikel for almost 2years now. What exactly was done about it? We started looking for makeshift players to mould into creative midfielders. We knew that Alex Iwobi thrives more in the middle of the park than on the wings, yet we still kept making the same Wenger-ish mistakes. Of course I can understand he adds more attacking threat but the dude's natural forte is the Middle. If he had been encouraged more along this line, its possible we would be having a good midfield- Attack link up.

We also had Azubuike Okechukwu who in my opinion is one of the best creative midfielders we have but simply because he plays for one lowly rated team in turkey, we turned the other way. This dude was instrumental to the Gold we won at U23 Afcon, and the Bronze at the olympics. My assessment of our coach is that he is willing to take the risk of sticking with Mikel Obi as the only natural creative midfielder and hope he doesnt get injured. Pray tell folks, what happens if he gets knocked say in training? Then game plan gets disrupted abi? Then we get to run like headless chickens all over with no clear cut cerebral input geared towards attack. It is now evident to the whole world that without Mikel, our brand of footbal is gra gra and frankly at the world cup, they will exploit that promptly. Unfortunately at this time, it is too late to experiment with any new creative midfielder at this stage because we have to worry about them blending in for the team chemistry.
As someone rightly said, we should just continue with the set of players that got us qualified so as not to look disjointed. And perhaps, hope for the best from that.

My assessment of yesterday's game is that Rohr's game plan for the match was disrupted by the fact that Balogun failed last minute fitness test as well the reported fracture of Kelechi Iheanacho. He resorted to playing musa as a 9 and we got what we got. This tells me that he needs to work on having equally potent replacements for each of the positions.

Talking about Ebuehi and Idowu, i realize they are better suited for attack minded formations. This implies that when we wanna be bullish, Shehu is our man, but whe we wanna attack and keep an all out attack, we need these two boys ( Idowu and Ebuehi) hence the need to really perfect 3-5-2 and really sharpen it , primed for attack!

Our passing needs a lot of work. It is not nice to see us lose possession after 3 passes. Our forwards need to work together in that if a player is in a better positiin to score, then they shd pass to him instead of seeking personal glory (I dont wanna mention names). I dont have a problem with yesterday's team selection. What i have a problem with is the aim or objectives the coach set out to achieve. Was it to sit back and soak up pressure from the Serbs and then hit them on counter? If that was the case, then it was poorly executed


I believe in our team a lot. It just takes right tactics, right personels and executions for us to be able to win. It hurts that we are in the situation we are. I have said this before and I will still say it again, I wouldnt worry about our goal keeping "crises". It is the least of our worries right now. If our team is set up to always keep possession, you will find out that all our goalies will do will just be Goal kicks and routine clearances. In other words, there are things worse than goal keeper problems. Let us get our midfield and attack sharp. End of discussion!


Up Super Eagles

Well said. Many thanks

Martz101:
where be the favourite position? goal keeper?... I get am before no be property

Oga leave them. Let them continue to argue about what is not there

somehow:
I thought Rohr would use him as an AM to see what he can offer in the absence of Mikel, we have enough DMs already, why is Rohr rigid na, use the guy as AM and see if he can handle that position.

Rohr just wasted 2 friendlies solving no problem!

The coach already knows his starting 11 for the world cup games, simple

Mujtahida:
This is what I can not wrap my head around. Why field players whom you know their real game abilities for 90 minutes when you have some players whom we've not fully seen or not seen at all in real game. In that regard I feel like we wasted an opportunity presented to us by this friendlies

If the guys are not convincing enough to the coach, why will he risk them.

Mujtahida:
Declaration of fitness does not mean a player is fit in actuality or that a player just recovering from injuries and declared fit will play at his optimal level. That's my point. I am not one to give points to a player when he's not merited it. The boy underperformed but you cannot take away his recent fitness issues regardless of the declaration.

Too much analysis leads to paralysis bruv

Mujtahida:
You are not paying attention to the essence of this friendly games. You have fixed your eyes on the first eleven and totally forgotten about the bench.

We have our strongest bench already, all the other names we are touting are not better than those on the bench right now.

We just have 3 warm up games left before the world cup starts and you think we have the whole time in the world to still experiment with players we know are not truly better?

forgiveness:
Can you explain how one can be nominated for such award without delivering on the pitch?

I think that is being subjective and not objective.

Where was Mikel when we failed to qualify AFCON?
What about Victor Moses?

What did Mikel Obi and Victor Moses brought to the table in the world cup they went?

We went beyond the group stage, the last was in 98 with the olisehs and okochas. Martins and co could not get us beyond group stage

Mujtahida:
Habaaa you are taking this Joel Obi thing too far. Whether he was played out of position or not his performance was okay. You say Joel is a flop and that's not true. Let criticism be fair and balanced. Extreme criticism like yours now is what provokes the cry of hater, hater, hater that litters this thread often.

Call me whatever, Joel was a flop period

forgiveness:
How many FIFA nomination did Mikel Obi and Victor Moses performance earned them?

Is FIFA award not European recognition award?

Is FIFA Nairaland?

Be deceiving yourself.

You are the one deceiving yourself bruv, am talking about delivering on the pitch for both club and country you dey talk Fifa nomination. who nomination epp

forgiveness:
If you don't play Victor Moses because he played in relegated threatened club as at the time he pledged to play for Nigeria, how will you know he has depth in talent?

Are you serious? You don't know what Obafemi Martins did in Europe with his clubs?

Oga, Obafemi Martins won trophies in Europe and the world knows he contributed to winning those trophies.

He was was more infuencial to his team than Mikel Obi and Victor Moses. You can take that to the bank.

Which European continental coup trophy did martins win for his club? Mikel was a stand out performer on the champs league win over Bayern Munich, even Chelsea fans all over the world still gives him the credit, moses had a good run of form with important goals for Chelsea in their Europa league win. Martins goals for Nigeria could not win any aficon for us and failed to qualify Nigeria for the 2006 world cup. In 2010 world cup, the likes of martins could not take Nigeria beyond the group stage with even countries like Greece and south korea in our group. Am talking about delivering when it matters most. Your beloved martins is still behind mikel and moses. Talking is on the pitch,not on nairaland sports section abeg

stanbillion200:
Even if they are not better, atleast there are two stand out performers in my list in the person of Onyekuru and Aluko

They are not better bruv, we know the players that can deliver and have been delivering, let's save ourselves much trouble as the world cup is already here

stanbillion200:
Take it or leave it, the following players do not have any business in the Super Eagles. They are as follows; Joel Obi, Ahmed Musa, Uche Agbo Henry,Chidozie Awaziem. They are to be replaced by Sone Aluko, Henry Onyekuru, Brown Ideye and Efe Ambrose respectively.

Even your suggested replacements are not better either

Kog45:
Ebuehi not fully fit but played 90 minutes with Aina on the bench and Balogun was declared not fit for the match and replaced by Awaziem.

So Ebuehi is highly rated to the extent that Rohr need to force him to play when he knew is not 100% fit and Balogun was replaced some minutes to the match due to fitness.

Pls why all these excuses for Ebuehi performance,for God sake i know how some are bashing Shehu performance just cos of Ebuehi.

This is the problem we have here sir and we will continue to have. We Super eagles fans that always accuse NFF and the coaching crew of bias and favouritism in players selection are also guilty of same.

forgiveness:
Which assumptions? Sone Aluko and Obafemi Martins have depth in talent is assumption?

I thought you claimed Mikel Obi and Victor Moses are old wine but could blend with the team because of the depth of their talent. But now that it is proven that they guys have depth in talent, you are changing mouth.

I fear naija ooooooo.

What has Martin's and aluko contribution to the team in the past won for Nigeria. It took great depth in talent in moses and Mikel for Nigeria to win another afcon, in addition both players also have European continental cup trophies to show in which they were also largely instrumental for their clubs winning those titles. Even the entire world knows that both moses and Mikel are our best players because of their depth.

We are talking about results delivery on the pitch but you guys shy away from that because your favourite players must be invited and must play even though they are not delivering. This is too bad from you. Mark my words, if aluko is invited, he will flop like Joel. If coaching crew are so convinced about martins and aluko, they would have been invited before now but Joel don spoil market, only you think otherwise.

joseph1013:
Can we stop the personal attacks on those who oppose our stand on the Super Eagles?

Yes, they can be infuriating but it is unnecessary to call them names for it.

About the game: The positive is that the fans (well, some) will no longer clamour for some players. Joel Obi was hailed as the best thing since slice bread, now we can see clearly. Hopefully, the attack against the coach will not be as high when next he doesn't invite your favourite players.

God bless you Sir. Players are judged based on the results they deliver on the pitch but on nairaland sports section, all manner of silly excuses are given for those who fail to deliver to keep them in the team even when they do not deserve it.

Honestly we are all learning and many of us will improve in our call for certain players except the know it all guys

tbaba1234:
Ebuehi is better technically.

We will see the big difference when Mikel returns to the team.

So Mikel have to play before for ebuehi to be better, interesting. lol

forgiveness:
Those who don't know Joel Obi claimed he is an AMF but I was the one that said no, he is not.

Joel Obi is a CMF or LM and that was were he was played in the two friendlies.

So, I don't know what you are talking about.

Keep on making excuses lol, DM, am, pm whatever, he who cannot deliver is not needed. Simple

Mickael2:
I am sure you are not the coach, your opinion makes absolutely no impact on team selections so why should I be explaining to you things that were obviously so glaring to the coach? tell you what, if the coach invites him again then go and sue the coach

Why are u pained? my opinion is not the problem, but what is delivered on the pitch by any player. No matter who the coach invites, we will judge them based on the delivery. Shikena

forgiveness:
You mean Obafemi Martins who was once nominated for a FIFA award doesn't have depth in talent?

You mean Sone Aluko who was nominated for Championship player of the year just last season doesn't have depth in talent ?

There is no player currently in the National team as skillful as Sone Aluko.

Since, they meet your criteria, I think they are perfect for the team.

We all said same thing about Joel obi before the last two games he played for us. It's all assumptions bruv

Mickael2:
you seriously think Moses is more talented than Joel? Bar injury, Joel would have been in a top top club playing his favourite position. Moses was a bench warmer until he got drafted into another position

lol, we have truly seen Joel's talent in two consecutive games now

tbaba1234:
Ebuehi was not that bad... He is still our best right back....

Shehu still have a very big say

forgiveness:
Oga, Aluko's last game showed that he has alot to offer.

We saw what he added to the team. He changed the whole game as soon as he came on. That is the koko.

Besides, Keshi never wanted to bring Sone Aluko to the team because of the same reason you are giving and that was why he kept inviting the mediocre Uzoenyi to the national team. But we saw that all those team cohesion, he can't offer anything where plain lies not to bring him to the team.

what you guys are failing to understand is that this is a new generation super eagle who plays differently from the team we had few years back, the baloguns, ekongs, ndidi, iwobi, iheanacho and co have brought in a new dimesion that only experienced players like moses and mikel has been able to cope because of the depth of their personal talent. Musa is struggling to gel with these players, Echejielle too, even omeruo. This is why a joel obi can't gel or a martins or even aluko. They will struggle and struggle with players like Ndidi I saw displaying some great skills tonight.

There is a shift in the current SE set up and you can't have old wine in new bottles, mhen it will burst

MetalJigsaw:
hmmm... you're right. But um just worried about Mikel as the only AN

It's obvious, that's what we have for now, another thing about mikel is that he dictates the pace of our game, when the serbians were chasing us all over the place, mikel would have slowed down the pace of the game for the other players to regain themselves, we don't have any other player who can do this and the names branded here to play like mikel na wash.

Just like argentina, no messi, no party. sad reality, we only hope mikel is not injured or will dip in form this summer

Mickael2:
against Poland Joel was one of the better players, way way better than Iheanacho and Shehu, the team was bad. then he was played as an AMF today and of course he didn't give his best because he isn't an AMF

Excuse not accepted, try again

MetalJigsaw:
Just imagine!! If Joel can have a bad day twice in a row when he fully know that he was invited to prove himself, then he's not good enough.

I listened to some folks on radio during the match, they complained bitterly about joel obi and some folks are here still insisting the guy is still an asset, chai

MetalJigsaw:
About the summary of my post, you're correct.
But Joel is not a natural AM. Ajagun is a natural AM and I think Aluko can do too.

Rohr should just search for some of the AMs outside. They should come and try

bruv, let's not taunt ourselves, it's too late to search for new players now, do you know how many weeks we have to the world cup? we can't afford another set of uchebos, azeez, ameobi gate crashing into the world cup team with nothing to show for it at the end. it cannot work o