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Mickael2:
if you haven't realized that in a twin dmf formation one is called the sitting dmf and the other is called the sitting dmf then you don't understand the twin dmf system I am sorry to say. now read what I typed again and you will understand that I said that Etebo was the roaming dmf and Onazi was the sitting dmg, then browse the meaning of a sitting dmf and a roaming dmf because it appears as if you do not underatand

In a twin DM, when one presses forward, the other sits and vice versa.
Joel and Mikel played this to perfection in 2012.
By the way, you never acknowledged Onazi and Etebo were Dm's. You said Etebo played in a box to box and I can't recall Etebo making a run into the Algerian box ala Ramsey.

By the at have you watched the second video I tagged you? What do you have to say about the 3rd and 4th goal and Ndidi's positioning on the two goals.

Mickael2:
never judge out of context, your love for Onazi affected your judgement. Watch closely Ndidi's position when Genk scored their first, he was part of the counter. Genk played a 4-5-1, they had two dmfs and like i told you sometime ago that one sits and the other roams, i watched the first 20mins of the game again and suprise suprise, Ndidi was the roaming dmf but you want to blame him for the sitting dmf's inefficiency? Shocker.

On a side not I wouldn't even blame the sitting DMF, they conceded two quick goals and had to chase the game so he decided to push up, eitherways it's his fault and not Ndidi's fault, just like the goal in the game against Algeria was Onazi's fault and not Etebo's fault. This particular clip isn't helping you at all, show us another one

Oostende 6:0 KRC Genk ● Belgium Jupiler League 27…:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeoH1wpgzKM

Ndidi was out of the picture in the 3rd and 4th goals.
Do you still belive Ndidi's poor positioning have never cost his team goals?

tbaba1234:
Alright, I mentioned this earlier. Ndidi attempts riskier passes too often and sometimes loses possession as a result. But he is a better shield than Onazi and commits less fouls.

Ogenyi Onazi Summary
Ogenyi Onazi (born December 12, 1992) is a Midfielder for Trabzon and wears the shirt number 17. At 24 years of age he is 170cm tall and weighs 65kg. Onazi has a BMI of 22.5.
This season Onazi has made 19 appearances in the Turkish Super Lig .
Onazi has a Squawka rating of 5 stars out of 5 with a Performance Score of 79. His best game of the season was against Kasimpasa S.K. where he earned a Performance Score of 125 . His worst game this term was against Galatasaray where he accrued a score of -50 .
Onazi, in the Turkish Super Lig , has scored two goals this season, creating 16 chances and no assists. Onazi has completed 646 passes this season with a pass accuracy of 78%, of which 87% were forward
http://www.squawka.com/players/ogenyi-onazi/stats#performance-score#trabzonspor-(current)#turkish-super-lig#115#season-2016/2017#715#all-matches#1-21#by-match
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Nothing more riskier than making forward passes. I believe this is one for the reasons why works well with Mikel who is more of a recycler,since he's too adventurous making forward passes.

Mickael2:
never judge out of context, your love for Onazi affected your judgement. Watch closely Ndidi's position when Genk scored their first, he was part of the counter. Genk played a 4-5-1, they had two dmfs and like i told you sometime ago that one sits and the other roams, i watched the first 20mins of the game again and suprise suprise, Ndidi was the roaming dmf but you want to blame him for the sitting dmf's inefficiency? Shocker.

On a side not I wouldn't even blame the sitting DMF, they conceded two quick goals and had to chase the game so he decided to push up, eitherways it's his fault and not Ndidi's fault, just like the goal in the game against Algeria was Onazi's fault and not Etebo's fault. This particular clip isn't helping you at all, show us another one

This is why I said earlier that you're biased to a fault when the name Onazi is mentioned.
It's almost unbelievable that you are using the excuse that Genk were playing 2 Dms to defend Ndidi's poor positioning but used the same stick to beat Onazi when analysing the Algerian game.

After watching this clip and you still belive Ndidi's poor positioning have never cost his team goals then I will walk away from this arguement. Clearly there's no redemption for you.

I don't want to believe you haven't realised Etebo and Onazi played as twin Dms in a 4-2-3-1 formation against Algeria.

Mickael2:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oga, Ndidi was never in that game. Ndidi plays for Genk for God's sake. you just embarrassed yourself but let me not dwell on that, I'd still be waiting for the match where Ndidi's positional indiscipline cost his team.

besides your stats show that Ndidi can do everything that Onazi can also tackle, that's because he is.better isn't it? and for the record, Ndidi's passing stats this season ( Genk plus Leicester) is far ahead of Onazi's own and Ndidi actually attempts more risky passes. next time be sure of your stats

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tbaba1234:
On Ndidi's Stats alone, he made the Whoscored. Com team of the group stages of the Europa league.

That is saying something about his overall influence.

He was easily one of the top players of the group stages.

In this case am comparing him with Onazi. Head to head. I want to know what these two guys bring to the table.
Ndidi's cumulative pass percent stands at 73%,while Onazi's stands at 79%...interestingly 87% of Onazi's total pass average are forward passes.

tbaba1234:
Ndidi never played for Gent.. He played for Genk.

Sorry wrong link. I will fix it.
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Mickael2:
I pointed out clearly my point. Ok let me ask, how many times has Ndidi's positional indiscipline led to a goal against his team? The answer is zero. That's because he understands how to work with his DMF partner but Onazi's positional indiscipline is exposed time and time again! This simply points out one fact, Ndidi's 'perceived' positional indiscipline is as a matter of fact the strategy of the coach which is actually a good thing but Onazi's own is bad, hope you get the push?

Meanwhile I mean Onazi might be getting 85% as a DMF but the average of Mikel Agu and Ndidi is actually more than that, it doesn't make Onazi bad, it means they are better

This is just one game and I counted 4 times Ndidi was caught out of position. You may count more than 4 perhaps.
Athletic Bilbao vs. KRC Genk 5:3 All Goals 03.11.…:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrqvtENiUNg

It may also surprise you that Onazi and Ndidi have almost identical stats bar tackling,Which Ndidi racks up more numbers.
In pass completed. Onazi appears to be better commutatively.

Mickael2:
80% is good, very good but when you are in a group where 85% is the average it becomes relatively bad. I am not saying that Onazi is entirely useless, I am just saying that Ndidi is better

You have every right to have a favourite but it's really hypocritical to bash Onazi for being cut out of position (which is exaggerated) but draw positives for Ndidi's poor positioning,praising him for his mobility.
Don't be selective in judgement.
I don't get what you mean by 80% and 85%.

tbaba1234:
Onazi was not Man of the match in 3 games straight, he was not man of the Match in their last match. Several players performed better.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1107260/Live

Sometimes, we just hype our player when it is not exactly true.

Whoscored is a data site. They don't hand over official man of the match awards.
I wonder why you think Onazi will be lying.

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http://africanfootball.com/news/690045/Onazi-full-of-praise-after-third-Man-of-the-Match-Award-in-Turkey

Nigeria international Ogenyi Onazi has said the glory should go to God after he won his third straight Man of the Match Award with Turkish club Trabzonspor.
On Monday, the Super Eagles star was adjudged the man of the match in his team’s goalless draw with Alanyaspor.
Onazi said this latest award will spur him to do more.
"I am happy with the man of the match award. I have got this for three games in a row now,” said the former Lazio star.
“The award is for God, who made everything possible.
“It will make me to continue to do more.

I think Oshimhen is in good hands. His new boss Andres Jonker is an apostle of youth football. His work with Maastrach and the Dutch football federation as technical assistant is well established.
His vast experience in managing young players moved Arsenal to employ him as their Academy director.

I understand he's coming to Wolfsburg with Freddie Ljumberg as his assistant. Ljumberg on his part have been managing Arsenal U15's. Oshimhen is in good hands.

Mickael2:
Goldfish just wants to include Onazi. Speaking strictly on form and stats, Mikel Agu and Ndidi are ahead of him by a mile.

Besides, his criticism of Ndidi isn't fair. A proper analysis of Ndidi's play shows that he isn't playing just as the DMF but as the all round midfield destroyer, that's why he plays with another DMF as well so in essence, their criticism of Ndidi is actually a testament to his tactical ingenuity, the ability to play various forms of the DMF role, the boy isn't going to be world class, he already is!

Funny enough you have been having a go at Onazi for exactly same reasons you have used to defend Ndidi.
If Onazi's stats weren't so good, he wouldn't have won 3 back to back man of the match awards.
http://africanfootball.com/news/690045/Onazi-full-of-praise-after-third-Man-of-the-Match-Award-in-Turkey

I doubt any Nigeria player have picked up 3 straight man of the match awards this seaon. I stand to be corrected. Please give honour to whom honour is due. It takes nothing away to acknowledge something good if you see one.

tbaba1234:
He is 25, not so young.. It is now or never.

25yrs is still very young. Statistically, Players peak between 27-30. He still have a whole career ahead of him.

By the way, I remember saying on this thread that Chisom did not add a day to his age. Chisom deserves commendation for being honest about his age.
He is a good lad.

tbaba1234:
Chisom Egbuchulam has signed for a Swedish side.. Not really happy about this but all the best to him.

I wish Chisom all the best. Hopefully, he lights up Sweden this season and get transfered to a better club and league.
Sweden is not a bad start at all for a young player.

tbaba1234:
Another DM raising dust this season is Mikel Agu. He has been very impressive.

Defensive stats

3.6 Tackles
2.6 interceptions
1.8 Clearances.

He puts in a lot of tackles as well and appears to read the game well as shown by his interceptions.

He has been easily one of the best players for his club this season.

Mikel Agu, Onazi, K. Nwakali and Ndidi have been the most in form Nigerian midfielders in Europe. Collectively, they have close to 15 man of the match awards between them this season.

A lot of people keep pointing out Etebo but truth is that he has been off form and not setting Portugal on fire. I believe injuries have slowed him down.

tbaba1234:
Ndidi has easily been Leicester best player since he joined. Let us not forget that he had the best tackling and interception stats in the group stages of this year's Europa League averaging 7 tackles per game. That is relentless tackling.

Onazi average defensive stats in the Turkish league this season

2.1 Tackles
1.8 Interceptions
1.5 fouls
0.5 Clearances
1.8 Dribbles

Ndidi average defensive stats in the Turkish league this season so far

In Leicester so far

4.5 tackles
1.8 Interceptions
1.2 fouls
4 Clearances
1.8 Dribbles
0.2 Blocks

7.25 Average rating

Ndidi towers his rivals in the number of tackles he puts in, In the game against Liverpool, he put in 10 tackles.. There is no Nigerian DM with that kind of tenaciousness. Onazi is a good DM but in Ndidi we have a potential world class player, that is how highly i rate him. No one covers as much ground as him in the super eagles

My interpretation of this stat is that Ndidi is often cut out of position that's why he uses the advantage of his long legs to recover possession with a tackle,which is not a bad act since his tackles are clean.
In the Premiership, he will definitely thrive but in a more technical league like La Liga, he may need to perfect more his shadow marking skills.

His numbers on clearances shows he prefers booting the ball out more than trying to play out of a difficult situation with an incisive pass. In Leicester and greater number of Premiship teams, he will have no problem but if was playing in a more technical team, he may need to cut that out.
Steven Nzonzi have made that transition from booting the ball out and making huge clearances at Stoke and Blackburn to a more refined play @ Sevilla.

The greater part of the stats between both player posted are pretty much identical.

Personally, I see Ndidi making the transition to a CB later in his career just like Mascherano and Kompany.

Onazi has been in his best form of his career in Turkey, winning 3 back to back man of the match awards.
Why people on this thread derive fun in throwing him under the bus is what I am yet to figure out.

eazyjakes:
Wilfred Ndidi did remarkably well today especially in terms of interceptions/ball winning bt d dude still has a lot to learn in terms of tactical discipline as he is easily drawn out of his position. He is also far below onazi in terms of ball retention and distribution....I will pick onazi ova him for now bt he is not too far off in usurping onazi in d nearest future!

You're spot on @ bolded. I've noticed his short comings in terms of tactical discipline and maintaining team shape. First I noticed this was a Europa cup game against Shaktar, they lost 5 something....
I wanted to bring it up was I wasn't in a mood to argue with mikeal2 on the day.

This is ridiculous,7ft 7? Rip gaint.

TheGoodJoe:
Same goes for Slim Shady clubs. They settled and put Onyekuru back in the starting line-up.

They got their wish in the end. I don't like when supposed big clubs bullying smaller clubs.
Financial fair play rule clearly haven't worked.

TheGoodJoe:
Talking to Africanfootball.com, Onyekuru said: "Eupen are acting funny on my transfer.

"They are frustrating me and my agent for their own interest.

“They promised to let me move in January if I have a good offer, now there are good offers but they now want me to sign for their own agent, before I move and they want me to sign for CSKA Moscow which I am not interested in.

“This is unfair and not acceptable."

You can see, this is Onyekuru talking to Africanfootball, not owngoalnigeria doing cheap blackmail.

I read this article on own goal but frankly it's hard to believe. If truly they wanted to force anything on Henry, he would have dragged Eupen to CAS.

Secondly, Eupen in an official release made it know they will fancy selling him to a Bundesliga team Redbull at the end of the season, hoping to use Henry to survive the drop.

From what I know of the FifA status, a player could be banned for up to 2 years for breach of contract. They take it very serious, otherwise rascals will take over the game.

TheGoodJoe:
As I said before, Eupen can not go to FIFA over Onyekuru's case because he was protesting their shady deal. Kalu was trying to force a transfer. Different scenarios.

Henry was forcing a transfer to Celtic. Kalu was forcing a transfer to Ajax. They both went in strike to push through a move. What's the difference?
The own goal report you pitched your tent with was yellow journalism no substance to the report.

forgiveness:
Which one come worse pass btw person wey no play because of injury and the one wey em style no suit the team?

At least he has not been sent to the reserves

forgiveness:
Hehehehe! Even, if I show you, you will still harden ya heart like Pharaoh.

Try me

TheGoodJoe:
You posted a link without underlying report showing similarities.

NIGERIAN striker Kalu Uche was on Thursday handed a six-month ban by the disciplinary committee of the Polish Football Association following disagreements with his Polish club Wisla Krakow over a planned transfer to Ajax Amsterdam.
A source from Poland informed www.kickoffnige-ria.com that unsympathetic committee members were of the opinion that Kalu's conduct was a bad example for other players and firm action needed to be taken to serve as a deterrent.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200309190818.html.

It's a pity the report didn't explain extensively why he was banned but I can tell you he stagged a protest and refused turning up to training. He was banned for 6 months and upon his return, the deal to Ajax went cold and he lost his place in the Wisla Krakow team.
Need I remind you that up to that point, Kalu Uche was the best young Nigerian footballer after winning the best player in Poland.

You can draw similarities with the Henry Onyekuru's case and and his sudden dissappearance from training. Just like Kalu.

forgiveness:
Coming from someone who blindly condemned a player for injuries.

I can see you are reasonable with this one but intentionally unreasonable with another one.

Martial was never injured. His style does not suit Mourinho. How does that relate to Tiago Ilori?
You dey one your eyes read so?

forgiveness:
Na me write those articles?

Show me where it is written 'LIVERPOOL LOOSE MONEY ON TIAGO ILORI DEAL'

From 50%, you came down to 10%abi na wetin and shame no gree you accept say you don lose.

You can't get under my skin by playing dumb
Since you're not ready to have an objective discussion, I will return chaos with chaos

BBC reported his deal to Liverpool was worth 7M
www​.bbc.com/sport/football/38555573
BBC reported his deal to Reading was worth 3.75M
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/23926042
7 - 3.75 = 3.25
Liverpool net loss is 3.25M. Simple arithmetic

Na BBC report am oh
Show me reputable link like BBC to back up your claim. Dont quote a gossip blog oh

TheGoodJoe:
Did I say I know jack about Kalu's case? I said, typical you bringing up a link of different scenarios without underlying reports.

You don't know about Kalu's case but you know it's not related to Henry onyekuru's. Nawa for you

TheGoodJoe:
Which one is reputable media? Na WA. Onyekuru told his side of the story and pointed out the shady deal. That was why despite the strike, the club settled the matter with him.

Which reputable media said Kalu and Onyekuru's cases are similar. Na wa.

Clearly you doing now Jack about the Kalu Uche case till I brought it up. Still you want to claim you know when you don't.

TheGoodJoe:

It is a different scenario. So quit quoting it. Onyekuru went on strike because Eupen wanted to use him to pull off a shady deal. Eupen reporting him to FIFA will mean exposing themselves. They are different scenarios.

“We are only eight games from the end of the regular phase of the championship and only five points ahead of last place,” said Henkel. “We aren’t sure to stay in Division One. Therefore we can’t be separated from such an attacking player as Henry Onyekuru before summer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4154418/Henry-Onyekuru-labelled-good-Scottish-football.html .

The official statement from the club makes sense to me. The cheap blackmail you're running with was cooked up by own goal.

TheGoodJoe:

It is a different scenario. So quit quoting it. Onyekuru went on strike because Eupen wanted to use him to pull off a shady deal. Eupen reporting him to FIFA will mean exposing themselves. They are different scenarios.

That was according to own goal. Which reputable media outfit reported this shady deal?

TheGoodJoe:
Simple. I want to see something special in his YouTube clips that makes me go wow. If when people have cutout the best opart of someone's playing time and that wow factor is not there. How can he be outstanding.

KYLIAN MBAPPE | Goals, Skills, Assists | Monaco |…:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tXwxv5P5zA