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TheGoodJoe:

I did not bring in Iheanacho. You must not comment if you are not following the discussion. The thread tended towards Mbappe being better than Iheanacho because Iheanacho was not a regular at City and I replied If Mbappe came to City, he will bench. My point has not changed. You just did not understand what you were arguing.

Even at that, how were you so sure he is not better than Kelechi since you haven't watched him play?

Is it possible to make an objective analysis on two players and draw conclusions when you haven't watched them both play?

TheGoodJoe:
Go to YouTube and watch Aguero's independiente clips. You can easily see what he was like.

Why was he on the reserves at the WYC in 2005 if he was that good?
Meanwhile Mbappe is making headlines at just 17.
I guess most people here are being apprehensive about the lad because he's Camerounian.

TheGoodJoe:
So what are you arguing? Iheanacho not playing is not because of lack of ability. Some of you are ready to run him down because he is not getting playing time but yet are ready to defend Martial who is not getting playing time. You are ready to argue that me saying Mbappe will not start at City means I am running down his talent.

Haba.

You want to turn this to Mbappe vs Kelechi debate. I won't be lured to that argument.

I responded to your post about Mbappe not making the Man city team. You're the one bringing Kelechi into this. Is Kelechi the only man city player?

TheGoodJoe:

The motive was not to run down Mbappe but to point out the ironic view of the statement of Mbappe being better than Iheanacho because he is getting playing time at Monaco.

My reply was simple. If he was at City, Mbappe will sit on the bench. It is crystal clear. You can make up things to suit your thoughts but the words are clear.

Has Mbappe done better than what Aguero did at his age?

Please make it clear to me why he will be benched at City. How did you arrive at this conclusion when you haven't watched him play. You're such a wonderful man

TheGoodJoe:

The motive was not to run down Mbappe but to point out the ironic view of the statement of Mbappe being better than Iheanacho because he is getting playing time at Monaco.

My reply was simple. If he was at City, Mbappe will sit on the bench. It is crystal clear. You can make up things to suit your thoughts but the words are clear.

Has Mbappe done better than what Aguero did at his age?

What was Aguero like at 17 please? I can't recall.

TheGoodJoe:

It is not about diplomatic but the way people just jump in without getting the point. Iheanacho on the bench does not mean he is not quality. Saying if Mbappe goes to City and bench does not mean he is not quality. Aguero n the bench for Gabriel Jesus does not mean he is not quality.

You sounded so sure he would be on the bench at City. I wonder why you think, knowing that you've never watched him.
I recall you said earlier in the week that you missed the Monaco vs man city game.

The motive you rushed in to say he was not good enough for the man city first team was just to claim you have superior talents at your Club,am I right?

TheGoodJoe:
Super Bencher this season.

The was untouchable the season he was bought. That he's not playing is not because of his lack of ability. Mourinho stripped him off his squad number before his first training session with him.
I can't figure where you're going with this.

TheGoodJoe:
Bench. Very sure he will unless you can prove he has the Gabriel Jesus Attributes. Or do you think Guardiola will drop Sane and Sterling for him?

Gabriel Jesus walked straight to the Man city team almost unchallenged. Mbappe is several times more talented than Jesus from what I've seen of both players.
I'd rather stop talking about Kylian Lottini and Manchester City. The boy is talented, any team he ends up singing for will be getting a gem. End of

TheGoodJoe:
Martial was the most sought after teen in the World, commanded a huge fee when signed from Monaco and guess what, he sits regularly on the bench in Manchester United.

He was a super regular last season under Van Gal.

TheGoodJoe:

Your the one making things up as you always do. I never said Iheanacho will bench him.

Some people tried to play down Iheanacho's talent because he is on the bench of City. Crazy when we have seen bright talents like Mata, Kevin De Bruyne and Lukaku bench despite being quality. I am pointing out that bench is not proof of quality because the hailed Mbappe will bench at City. Does that mean he is not quality?

You were so damn sure he was going to be on the bench at City. You even put na exclamation mark on it to buttress your point.
That called my attention.
If you were this diplomatic, I wouldn't have bothered quoting you.

BascoVanVeli:
What are u telling me here? Who cares if he said he would like to break a transfer record. Right now he is a monaco player anything else is guess work.

Monaco have made known he won't be sold less than the Martial fee. The young man himself embraces the challenge. What's the guess work there?

All these just to justify your earlier claim that Iwobi is worth 50M.
Please detox yourself from the cloud of nationalism and see things fro what they are.

I rate you as one of the few Liberal and open minded posters on this thread. Am quite surprised am having this argument with you of all people.
Did you have a stressful week?

BascoVanVeli:
I didn't u are still guessing no one has paid a kobo for him yet so that is what if and u are not Pep so that another what if also. Just pointing it out to u because u said we shouldn't talk based on what if.

It's an open secret how much value Monaco attach to him.
In one of the link earlier on this thread it was reported Guardiola put a 40M bid for him last summer which Monaco rejected.

According to L'equipe, Mbappe will command more transfer fee than Martial's
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/02/21/more-expensive-than-martial-lequipe-claim-tottenham-target-kylia/

Mbape himself said he will be happy to break Martial's transfer fee
http://www.squawka.com/news/kylian-mbappe-i-would-be-happy-to-beat-anthony-martials-transfer-fee/856545

Please, am not second guessing what if when am talking about this guy. Am basically going by what is being reported.

Who will buy a player that much and confine him to the bench?

Gabriel Jesus cost man city just 27M, yet his arrival sent Kelechi down to the reserves.

How logical is it for the same club to send a 50M player to the bench?

BascoVanVeli:
Then why are u telling us about "what if" the boy was in man city? Is he in Man city? How do u know who he will bench? So it is a ok for u to play the what if game ehn?

TheGoodJoe was the person who brought up the idea about Mbappe being benched at City. I merely responded that City won't bench an asset who would cost in excess of 50M.
You totally missed the point.

BascoVanVeli:
Iheanacho could bench him at monaco, its all a matter of coach. Imagine both of them being coached by Pellegrini who do u think starts then? The boy is not even a shoe in starter at his club either, his father just went public a while back. This is a case of u guys going crazy about one game.

Which one game? I talked about this guy more than 5 months ago on this thread.
Martial was not a shoe in starter at Monaco either before Man Utd broke the transfer record for him as the world's most expensive teen.

Truth is that Mbappe have broken so many records already, his celine is very high and he's been rated as the next big thing in European football.
Kelechi is not in Monaco and Pelegrin is not coaching both players. Let's judge what is in front of us forget about semantics and what if's.

BascoVanVeli:
I don't get ur reasoning. It is almost madness to think that Everton would have come with a lower offer just because he played for Nigeria. That is just bogus. If Dele had elected to play for Nigeria real madrid would still want him.

You can't blame me. Not when the combined transfer fee Man city, Liverpool, Genk, wolfsburg and Granada paid for Kelechi, Awoniyi, Ndidi, Success and Oshimhen is about half of Lookman Ademola's transfer fee to Everton.
You get the picture?

forgiveness:
Oya! Show me any notable site that supports your claim that Liverpool loose money.

Oya! I dey wait.

BBC reported his deal to Liverpool was worth 7M
www​.bbc.com/sport/football/38555573

BBC reported his deal to Reading was worth 3.75M
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/23926042

7 - 3.75 = 3.25
Liverpool net loss is 3.25M. Simple arithmetic

forgiveness:
Bhuuuhah! What happened to that claimed to leak the deal?

You don denounce am?

Haaaaaaaaa! Lol

I promised you I will make a nonsense of all you've been saying if you kept playing the Liverpool profiting on his deal card,after I painstakingly explained everything.
Am giving you a dose of your own medicine.

Mujtahida:
Apparently you are not the only one just hearing his name for the first time . Take a look at this :http://m.goal.com/s/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2017/02/24/33028812/dont-do-a-martial-why-hotshot-mbappe-must-snub-the-suitors

Nice read. Interesting to know Guardiola wanted him for 40M and Zidane took him on tour guide at the Bernabue in 2013 when he was barely 16yrs old.
According to the article Monaco are quoting €80M for him ;0 .. Football have indeed gone mad!
It's absolutely bunkers money for a young 19yr old.

TheGoodJoe is about making us believe he will be benched at City. Probably he thinks Kelechi will bench him. Nawao

forgiveness:
And if the gala tey come expire for ya hand, Aboki go still collect? Chisos!

In this case na Abokii (Liverpool) say make them bring am back

forgiveness:
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.thisisanfield.com/2017/01/confirmed-tiago-ilori-completes-3-75-million-move-reading/amp/

The official website of Liverpool fc had confirmed the profit but the unofficial goldfish80 is claiming otherwise.

Kai! And I thought you were well informed all these while :O

www.liverpoolfc.com is Liverpool's official website. The website you quoted is just a blog not even a main stream media outfit let alone Liverpool's official blog .

BBC claimed Ilori's deal to Liverpool was worth 7M
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/23926042

Here's a guardian link with same claims of 7M
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/02/liverpool-sign-tiago-ilori

His Wikipedia page claims his deal was worth 7M
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiago_Ilori

I will chose to belive the BBC and Guardian than the yeye blog you keep posting

forgiveness:
In ya dictionary compromise means no payment at all all ba!?

They paid money but I know it is not up to 1M.

Compromise in this case could be 0, since Liverpool called off the loan deal and he never actually dressed for a game.
If you buy gala and you no open am, abokii fit collect am back because you never tear nylon

forgiveness:
2.5M plus 600k (I know it is more than dat) then add it with Bordeaux and Granada fees.

Abi, those ones na free!? Chai!

Some loan fees are actually free. Give me proof of Granada and Bordeaux paid Liverpool for his services and how much the loan was.
How did you arrive at 600k? You're just pulling figures out of thin air

forgiveness:
Bhuuuhah!


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/www.empireofthekop.com/2016/01/22/real-price-of-tiago-ilori-liverpool-transfer-revealed-including-weird-sell-on-clause/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwi3rIytsKvSAhXnJcAKHbLNDCAQFggsMAY&usg=AFQjCNHXQs8hxuq18hf45saI_DuO6AOoDA

Full Name: Tiago Abiola Delfim Almeida Ilori
Born: 26th February 1993 in London
Age: 23
Bought: 2nd September 2013 from Sporting Lisbon
Transfer Fee: £7,000,000
Sold: 18th January 2017 to Reading
Fee Received: £2,500,000
All LFC Appearances: 3 LFC Goals: 0
Career Appearances: 15 Career Goals: 1
Portugal Appearances: 0 Goals: 0
Previous Clubs: Sporting Lisbon, Granada (loan), Bordeaux (loan), Aston Villa (loan)
Tiago Ilori Profile
Tiago Ilori became a transfer deadline day capture on the 2nd September 2013. He was in the crowd the day earlier to watch Liverpool defeat Man Utd 1-0 at Anfield to go top of the league .http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/squad/tiago-ilori-profile.html

Bwahahahah Reading only paid 2.5 M
Liverpool lost so much on their investment on Ilori including salary and bonuses imagine paying salaries and wages to someone who played just 2 cup games for you in 4years
And sporting Lisbon lost in excess of 3.5M which they would have gotten if he fulfilled certain clauses in his contract.
Ilori na bad market

arodavoo:
https://beejob..com.ng/2017/02/2017-total-international-scholarship.html?m=1

arodavoo:
https://beejob..com.ng/2017/02/2017-total-international-scholarship.html?m=1

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forgiveness:
Hehehehe!

Add the 2.5M to the 1M Liverpool received from Aston Villa.

How much is that? 3.5M Bhuuuhahaha!

We never add the ones Granada and Bordeaux paid oooo.

Aston Villa boss Remi Garde has explained why Tiago Ilori's loan from Liverpool has been cut short.
Ilori has returned to Anfield just halfway through his season-long deal.
He has not played a single minute for Villa's first team since arriving in the summer.
The clubs are believed to have reached a compromise over the £1 million loan fee that Villa were due to play
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-rumour-mill-10696978

Just like I suspected Aston Villa didn't pay Liverpool the said 1M of the agreed loan fee
Check the bolded na

Our Beckenbauer Ilori isn't even worthy of the 1M loan fee

forgiveness:
@goldfish80



Granada wanted him either on loan or permanently but refused because they Granada failed to match Liverpool’s asking price. Chikena!

Not only Granada ooooooo.

Oga! Stop telling lies.

Liverpool wanted 4M for him but Reading paid 2.5 am I missing something?
The part they labelled him an unwanted player cracked me up

Liverpool though did not want the centre-back to head out on loan again and instead wanted £4 million for the unwanted player .

forgiveness:
Geees! You still dey believe yaself?

After the official statement from Granada to buy him.

Go and the article again, it was clearly stated that Liverpool refused to loan, and the offers from Granada, Valencia, Freibery etc were also rejected because they didn't meet the asking price.

How I go take dey explain simple things to you, na?

Read and comprehend what is written. Habaaaa!

Offers were made but Liverpool rejected them. Simple English.

Didn't you do check and balance in ya school?

At the end of deal na em we dey take, hahaha!

Bhuuuhahaha! Na read.






https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-make-profit-tiago-ilori-9590012.amp

@bolded is as clear as crystal. Dey deceive yaself .

Yes, Valencia, Bordeaux didn't meet the asking Price. But Reading met the asking price of 2.5 million

His transfer to Liverpool was worth 7M.

LFC Profile and Statistics
Defender (Centre)
Full Name: Tiago Abiola Delfim Almeida Ilori
Born: 26th February 1993 in London
Age: 23
Bought: 2nd September 2013 from Sporting Lisbon
Transfer Fee: £7,000,000

Sold: 18th January 2017 to Reading
Fee Received: £2,500,000
All LFC Appearances: 3 LFC Goals: 0
Career Appearances: 15 Career Goals: 1
Portugal Appearances: 0 Goals: 0
Previous Clubs: Sporting Lisbon, Granada (loan), Bordeaux (loan), Aston Villa (loan)
Tiago Ilori Profile
Tiago Ilori became a transfer deadline day capture on the 2nd September 2013. He was in the crowd the day earlier to watch Liverpool defeat Man Utd 1-0 at Anfield to go top of the league.http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/squad/tiago-ilori-profile.html

See his Wikipedia na.. Abi e never occur to you to change his data on Wikipedia?

On 2 September 2013, Ilori was signed by Liverpool for an undisclosed fee, reported to be around £ 7 million.
[8][9] It was also announced that The Football Association were in talks with the player for him to switch nationality and represent England internationally. [4][10]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiago_Ilori

komekn:
He will sit on the bench just like Raheem, Sane and Gabriel. Lol

City are so rich they will buy a 50~60 M player and sit him on the bench
People are being hilarious over the past few weeks on this thread I swear

forgiveness:
[img]http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.rTwM2tJFLs9d-6OOtbYxhQDHEs&pid=15.1.jpg[/img]


Granada want Tiago Ilori on permanent basis




http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/liverpool/transfer-talk/news/granada-want-ilori-on-permanent-basis_139442.html


Facts! Facts!

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/18/13/2B76EE5D00000578-3202038-image-a-46_1439900662262.jpg

Chai! Tiago Ilori playing against one the bests strikers in the world. They won that match by 3-2.



http://anfieldindex.com/13716/tiago-ilori-progressing-nicely-loan-bordeaux.html


DON'T DECEIVE YASELF, LIVERPOOL SAID THEY MADE PROFIT FROM THE BUSINESS. EOD

Granada wanted to make his move permanent yet they didn't even bother to extend his loan spell
At Bordeaux he did so well in his paltry 12 games all season yet he returned to his parent club and played almost zero games
What happened at Aston Villa nko? Beckenbauer Ilori wasn't even dressed for a match

Compare him with Casemiro who went on loan to Porto, returned and won a shirt in the Madrid team.

His deal to Liverpool was worth 7M, in fact daily mirror claimed it was about 8M

Liverpool have signed young defender Tiago Ilori from Sporting Lisbon for a fee of around £8million.
The 20-year-old was originally born in London but has represented Portugal at U18, U19 and U20 level.
Brendan Rodgers has been desperate to add defensive cover to his squad and the starlet is thought to be an ideal back-up for the first team.
But despite initially being cover for Kolo Toure and Daniel Agger, Ilori told the club's official website that he wants to play as much as possible.http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-tiago-ilori-signs-2244830

Check out his page on antfield-online.co.uk

LFC Profile and Statistics
Defender (Centre)
Full Name: Tiago Abiola Delfim Almeida Ilori
Born: 26th February 1993 in London
Age: 23
Bought: 2nd September 2013 from Sporting Lisbon
Transfer Fee: £7,000,000
Sold: 18th January 2017 to Reading
Fee Received: £2,500,000
All LFC Appearances: 3 LFC Goals: 0
Career Appearances: 15 Career Goals: 1
Portugal Appearances: 0 Goals: 0
Previous Clubs: Sporting Lisbon, Granada (loan), Bordeaux (loan), Aston Villa (loan)
Tiago Ilori Profile
Tiago Ilori became a transfer deadline day capture on the 2nd September 2013. He was in the crowd the day earlier to watch Liverpool defeat Man Utd 1-0 at Anfield to go top of the league.http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/squad/tiago-ilori-profile.html

Check the bolded wella oh
Abeg carry your bad market comot jare
Your Ilori hype is dead on arrival

forgiveness:
Oga! na you dey deceive yaself because facts on ground proved otherwise.

We know he did not play due to INJURIES and NOT LACK OF ABILITIY because when he was available, he was always the first choice. There are many articles written about this obvious and know facts but you don't have one to back yours up. Sorry!

I have rolled out these facts here to prove you wrong and you are here believing only yaself.

Well, I am not doing this for you to believe but for the sake of those reading news from this forum.

If 3.5M > 3.7M, no bi my fault na, na you maths teacher no teach you well.

The bottom line is that he had a poor season out on loan at Granada, Bordeaux and Aston Villa.
Blaming his failures on injuries won't help you in this debate because he was as fit as fiddle and never got off the bench at Aston Villa
He was also fit on his return to Liverpool where he was relegated to their kindergarten team

I've proved beyond ALL REASONABLE DOUBT that his transfer to Reading including add ons and bonuses was pegged at 3M just like his transfer from Lisbon was worth 7M including add ons and bonuses which he failed to cover

If you still argue that they made a gain on his transfer, I will comfortablely play the 50% loss on investment card
Abeg Carry your bad market comot from here

I saw all the expired links you posted earlier. You're lucky you didn't quote me with that because I would have torn them to pieces

BascoVanVeli:
U are reaching with Victor Moses, so how much did Dele cost? How much will he cost now? Iwobi has more potential and arsenal would be foolish to get short changed. Btw Jose offered 30 million for Godin.

Dele Alli was signed from the lower leagues. Players from league one hardly get transferred for mega bucks.
The Ademola guy was expensive for a young player from Charlton. If he was a Nigerian youth international, nobody will buy him more than 3M.

BascoVanVeli:
He is a Nigerian international why won't they address him as Nigerian, I can guarrantee u that they now address Zaha as Ivorian but that is just tv. That does not change the fact that they count as British players and that is gold in the premier league. Don't play naive u know that if Barca offers to pay 40 million arsenal can always ask for more. This same barca offered 80 million for Pogba. Then u add Koscielney to tell me i be mumu abi? A 31 year old defender worth 50 million, abi na Ramos?

They aren't considered British in the footballing world if they don't play for 3 lions. That's the Gospel truth.
The market value of Moses would have been much more expensive for Chelsea if he was ENGLISH.
Rashford will be worth more than Iwobi going by their nationality status.

Chellini and Godin are about same age as Kosielny and they command fees worth in excess of 50M.

I still don't think anyone will pay 50M for Iwobi.

In comparison, Kylian Lottini Mbappe is being set up to transfer for 60M.
Monaco are saying they won't sell him less than the Anthony Martial fee and I agree with them.