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OLAADEGBU: Thanks but no thanks for the ecumenical invitation extended to me.

DrummaBoy: Because its an initiative of Goshen360 and I am just a support.

Someone has to do the job.

Never mind. We will endeavor to be fair.

DrummaBoy: On 29th August 2013, the first ever e-convention was convened on nairaland www.nairaland.com/1416947/welcome-e-grace-convention-2013. The subject of discuss was mainly the grace of God manifested to all men. We had basically nairalanders present papers and it was a real blessing.

In the build up to the grace convention of last year, Goshen360, the convener, tgirl4real and myself, organized the program privately and decided on the speakers and topics. Some people were unhappy with our choice of speakers; so we decided then that if ever there will be another, the choices will be made more openly.

Therefore this thread is created as a fore runner to the GRACE CONVENTION 2014! Here nlanders will choose who they want to hear from and you would decide what topics you want discussed. However, Goshen and I will act as moderators to ensure the thread is not too open ended. To ensure this, I will enumerate some basic rules that would guide us in the choice of teachers and topics:

1. The central theme of the convention is GRACE: the grace of God revealed to all men in Jesus. Therefore all topics and subtopics must be related to grace. It doesn't have to mean that the word grace must be in the topic, it simply means that the topic must be biblical, for which God's grace is a central theme.

2. Speakers must be professing Christians.

3. Topics can also include life issues that cannot be divorced from the Christian life.

4. Suggestions are welcome but final choice of topics and speakers shall rest with the moderators though you can count on it that we shall be as fair as humanly possible.

5. This rule section shall be updated through the discuss and so suggestions for rules are welcome but will be ratified by moderators.

6. Moderators for the thread are Goshen360 and DrummaBoy.

We encourage you to make insightful suggestions and to avoid snide remarks.

Thank you.

Chillypelly: Chino is no more from anambra state now bayelsa... Truly the chickens are coming home to roast roost.

BuddahMonk: Ibadam is an ancient city just like Alexandria in Egypt, ibadam is home to Nigeria premier and first university, Ibadam have never witness any human disaster like war, ibadam have never seen any natural disaster like earthquake, ibadam have been the capital of old western region from the when Pope was still an alterboy.

In 2099 Ibadam will not be compared with Alexandria because ibadam have grown to be the biggest and largest slum not just in Africa but the whole world, Ibadam is home to clusters of brownies, ibadam poverty definition is different from the IMF definition, World Bank is yet to reach ibadam to see that some nigerian are living below $1 per day is a glorifying the country.
Ibadam is the only place where tenants are ask if they want a house with toilet or the one without, ibadam has the highest number of houses built with red muds that is why erosion is disturbing us in the East.7

If the Waste should reduced the rate at which they use red muds in their buildings, believe me the erosion menace in the East will be moderate or a thing of the past.

PastorKun: The bloody hypocrite in you did not see were he was insulting and cursing me It is only when I respond to your fellow rogue that you can raise issues. Ole barawo buruku.

frosbel: This is still in my list of things to do and sooner not later. However I wanted something more concise and not too long in such a way that it hammers the point home in a few sentences. As you know people these days are very busy and always on the move, a longer tract might put them off.

Not sure what you think but I will send a much owed mail to DrummaBoy with the expectations and perhaps he can try and summarise this for a final review.

[size=16pt]Because of the busy bodies in here I suggest we do this via email.[/size]

Your feedback will also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Boomark: What you are defending is "out of context knowledge."

Gombs that is old here, can you really defend malachi 3? Then brace yourself....

If the true context of malachi 3 is not in the tract, then we would have wasted a little effort.

Image123: [size=16pt]Are you on pension?[/size] You're sounding too old or this things.

shdemidemi: ^^Do you ever go through one day without throwing insults and innuendos around, especially when people don't agree with you? You make Christianity seem like you will be judged based on how loyal you are to your denomination or your pastor.

Zikkyy: Are you saying joagbaje's church converted 40 million muslims to christ embassy? what exactly is the nature of this 'impact'? wasting peeps tithe in sudan abi? una know how to lie sha.

DrummaBoy: I know that the new method now is for folks to mask illiteracy with Facebook English. If you really have something worthwhile to say here, you do not need to type fast; no one has said they are in a hurry here.

What I understand all round, thorough and complete Christianity to be is uprightness and excellence in appearance and presentations. Even in public forums like this. You should pay attention to such little details, they help "adorn your doctrine". If not, one holds the right to consider you unserious.

Young people, which I can bet you are, are always to eager to speak without thinking and thus the need to type with abbreviations. If you could just patiently read and comprehend matters like tithes that has been thoroughly debated on this forum, you would not be putting your foot in your mouth, like your pally, Gombs, another example of misplaced youthful zeal, is doings here.

Pls attend to the earlier suggestion I made about the text for a proposed tract on page 1, and type slowly and legibly this time, there is no rush.

shdemidemi: But, of course it shouldn't be by the way of tithing or luring people to give by giving them false hopes of profane compensation for whatever they give. It must be free will giving that proceeds from the common love and conscience that is in Christ.

frosbel: Paul worked , I know many full time ministers who work also full time, in fact some are even medical consultants with all the busyness that encompasses such a position.

It is sheer laziness to depend on other hardworking people who also have some degree of church responsibility and personal priorities.

Giving also seems to be specifically directed to the preacher which is in total contrast to the early church where giving was primary directed to the poor, feeble, orphans and widows.

This whole concept of Pastors trying to personalise and hijack donations, be it tithe or offering is just disgusting.

Remember what Paul himself said :

"so that you would follow our example. 10For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.…" - 2 Thessalonians 3:10-11

DrummaBoy: Another person-miss-road.

What are you saying, what are we saying on the thread?

Please read the OP.

DrummaBoy: @Image123, Bidam and Gombs

I believe my posts for the last hour or so has answered everyone of your queries. If you still have anymore, I advice you read those posts again.

Outside of this, I humbly request that the three of you should stop derailing this thread. If you are bent on "saying this truths" or you are certain that someone conscience is being pricked on tithe or you think someone misquoted your sermon, you can open new threads for those, I can assure you that Seun will not complain.

Pls, this thread, again, is about designing an anti tithe tract, that common sense should dictate only those opposed to the fraudulent regime of tithing can participate in.

Bidam: You talked about "my frustrations" if that is not rantings like a sissy i do not know what you can qualify that to be. And lastly in terms of cognition, you should go check whose posts is full of irrelevancies and pointless remarks! Clearly yours not mine. The tithe phobia you have since you came here on nairaland can be cured, if you allow God to work on your life.

But clearly your obsessions about God's tithe won't let you allow Him to help you.

There are christians who tithe without having any problems doing so. No verse in the bible condemns ANYONE for tithing.

Tithing in itself as a form of giving is not condemned anywhere in the bible.

Those who want to express their GIVING in the form of tithes TODAY are absolutely free to do so.

I will keep saying this TRUTH till it sinks in and you are [size=16pt]liberated from this foolish madness of yours.[/size] Cheers.

alexleo: Its a very simple thing. If I am not lying about an issue and somebody quotes Ananias case to me i will simply say - no problem. A clear conscience shouldn't panic in such statement. When you panic it shows there is something behind it. Let me tell you that nothing is biting me about what you people are doing. [size=16pt]I'm not rigid about tithe. I'm not also convinced to stop and i dont condemn those who are not paying tithe. [/size]As you are led pls go ahead. Its a free world. My simple prayer is- If what you people are doing is truly from God, may it prosper but if it is not from God, may it crash. Amen. I dont think the Op banned tithers from commenting. If he did, i will stop commenting.

DrummaBoy: I believe you are directing your question at the wrong person. It is Bidam you should be asking those question and possibly, also, ask him what could be eating him up.

Check the Genesis of his post here, it has been one diatribe after another. What exactly has anyone said that requires a reminder of Ananias and Saphira? Is it not high time someone shows him the source of his frustrations, which is so well captured in the scripture trustman provided?

If anyone is panicking here, it should be firstly Gombs and then lately Bidam. And for reasons no one can tell because no one has asked them for anything to make the tracts. [size=16pt]So the first question that you should be asking them both, or which all of you tithers should be asking yourselves is what exactly is your business here on this thread? [/size]And if it is to exercise your freedom of expression, then what exactly is biting you guys about the printing of a tithe tract? Or are you pastors whose business would be threatened by the project?

Let's start with those for now.