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trustman: You sure like fights!!

nora544: I know the bible very good and I know what this new churches make sorry I am not a brainwashed nigerian.

when I hear from a so called great man of [size=20pt]God that all the people who fast for 100 days should not have fear because they will not get ebola[/size] so this is dangerous.

nora544: Sorry it is no fairytale, I know this because I [size=20pt]hear [/size]also some [size=20pt]stories [/size]in my country about this new churches and I can [size=20pt]read[/size].

PastorKun: And did anyone force you to follow this thread Abeg buzz off, your nuisance value is not needed here.

alexleo: To him its a personal experience, to some others its interesting and to you its a fairytale. CHOICE.

frosbel: Sorry all, work has become suddenly busy again and I have to do a few things with the kids this weekend. However I will try and complete part 4 at least on the deeperlife experience before weekend is over and perhaps start Part 5. Like I said this may take weeks to complete.

Kenny4lyfe: Check out this thread too sir!
https://www.nairaland.com/1386645/dangers-christian-criticism

alexleo: Bro there are some teachings of Hagin that are also not consistent with the scripture. Before his death he wrote a book(can't remember the name) to correct some of the errors. There is nothing wrong about someone receiving more light in scriptural application except you want to be hypocritical about it. That your pastor gave a scriptural interpretation hundred years ago and remain on it doesn't mean that he is right. Did you see the Bereans going back to the scripture to search if what Paul taught them was in alliance with the scripture? But the christianity of our time is the one that whatever pastor, G.O. Pope etc says you swallow it without raising objection over the annointed man of God's teaching. But again some people are begining to realise that it shouldn't be so. Your pastor remains a human, you don't even know when his preaching/teaching is propelled by the Holy Spirit and when it is propelled by his personal interest, ego, whims and caprices, greed, level of exposure etc. Hence the need to make your research too. I believe that scriptural issues shouldn't be a one man decision thing. Its something that brethren should reason together.

alexleo: On this issue of medication, the church based its stand on James 5:14. Of a truth, many have experienced healing of various sicknesses through prayers without medication(including myself and family members) over the years. Many have had similar sicknesses and even worse ones than yours and they got healed through this means. Also there are some who had similar cases as yours and even less cases than yours and they went to hospital and still died after several efforts to restore them. So its not as if there is any of the medium that has recorded zero death in its history. However a few years ago some of us started seeing other places in the bible that shows that God can heal us through any means contrary to the one rigid means we were made to follow. Some of the present crop of leaders also have a liberal approach now to this issue so it is no more an offence for a member to take medications. However some oldies are seeing it as end time things (lol ) and they ve refused to join us. My parents have been in this church for almost sixty years now without taking medidcation and God has been healing them in time of sickness. They are old now yet stronger than some youngies and look younger than their ages. Iin 2012 my dad was terribly sick that we thought all hope was lost, there was nothing we didn't do to convince him to take medication but he refused and the church kept praying for him and he was totally healed. Today if you see him walking briskly and travelling here and there you won't believe this was the same man that was near death 2 years ago. There are a lot of them like that too in the church.
In recent years when some of us began travelling overseas we now discovered that the headquarter church in the U.S. never said people shouldn't take medication rather the baba(Oshokoya) that brought the church to naija in the 1930s had to place that ban because what was in vogue in those days was babalawo. This was my own findings and some others too. Well like I said, no church is perfect, no individual is perfect, we keep perfecting as we study the scripture more and more with the help of the Holy Spirit. For me I know these old leaders did whatever they did to the best of their understanding of the scripture at their time and I don't blame them. There are things we are doing now that the generations following us will see in their time and consider it foolish or inappropriate. [size=20pt] Yet we are doing it to the best of our knowledge now.[/size] There are some of your new discoveries/ideologies now that you ll look back in some years to come and pick a lot of holes in them. Such is life. The room for improvement is the largest room in the world. It cannot be fully saturated. Thanks frosbel.

DrummaBoy: Sorry Gombs I must decline the offer to enter this discussion. I am presently prosecuting two major threads on this forum and would not be able to give this thread the sort of attention it deserve. Maybe some other time but not today.

As for the subject of the thread, my opinion on it is well documented in a couple of posts I have made in this forum. Those interested may search them out.

I believe you will find one person who shares my position and who might be able to engage you in the manner the thread deserves.

I request to be excused.

Korah, one of the rich leaders of the Levites, and a cousin of Moses and Aaron, felt that he had been slighted and overlooked in the distribution of the highest priestly honors and leadership. He envied Moses and Aaron, and also his cousin Elzaphan, who had been put in charge of the Levites, after Aaron's family had become elevated to the rank of Kohanim (Priests). Realizing that despite his riches and influence he alone could do very little to shake the people's faith and confidence in Moses and Aaron, Korah looked for associates in his campaign against them.

Korah went to the people of the tribe of Reuben, his neighbors in the camping order. Being daily in close contact with them, Korah easily swayed the opinions of their leaders and drew them into his conspiracy.

Amongst the Reubenites were two men, Dathan and Abiram, who since their early days in Egypt had been trouble-makers and the ringleaders of disaffection and rebellion. They were the first to rally to the party of Korah, and they were his most eager agents among their tribesmen. Their experienced and clever campaigning, aided by Korah's riches, influence, and knowledge, induced as many as 250 respected leaders of the Jewish camp to join the rebellion.

They now felt bold enough to go out into the open and speak up against Moses' leadership of the people. Adopting the mantle of piety and justice, and pretending to be a champion of his people, Korah accused Moses and Aaron of imposing their leadership upon the community. "You take too much upon yourselves, for the entire congregation are all holy, and the Lord is in their midst. So why do raise yourselves above the Lord's assembly?" said Korah (Numbers 16:3) and his men to Moses and Aaron.

DrummaBoy:

One day, many years ago, I was reading Acts 15, the place were the apostles sent letters to the church in Antioch to tell them that they need listen to the Judaizers about circumcision. They should follow a certain minimum and they were OK. scripture records somewhere there that the people were happy. I could see relief too in that passage, the very thing Candour is describing here. Acts 15:30-31 - " ... and when they had gathered the multitudes together, they delivered the epistle: which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation". God knows how much more he wants his people to rejoice over, which church leaders prefer to bind people up in misery with.

One of the biggest disservice church leaders can do to a flock is, in their bid to protect the flock, to then begin to list out dos and donts for them. It leads to bondage. When eventually truth is pointed out, relief and joy comes.

Should God's people not have a right to relief, joy and freedom all the time? Should churches bind up people in a bid to protect them? Is God not sufficient to save and keep safe till the end?

Forgive my Lamentations. I cannot help it sometimes.

DrummaBoy: The church should not operate a democracy. The church should not even contemplate a theocracy . The church should NOT operate an autocracy. And many of our churches are doing a good job at this.

# We have a system of one man government; where this man is the General Overseer, General Superintendent, Serving Overseer, or Senior Pastor. The church should never operate a system of elders.

Its totally unbiblical and anywhere this is mentioned in the New Testament, the bible must have made a mistake.

God's all time will is for one man to head his body the church. That man should not be Jesus; that man can be the Pope. And how well Pentecostals are emulating Catholics in this regard.

# The church should never operate a democracy; talk less of a theocracy.

We should never allow people to think for themselves, lest they make eternal mistakes. We must set up committees in church to take care of marriages, naming ceremonies, ordination, and burial. Never you permit the laity to worry themselves about thinking on these things. The government of church should think for them.

#The church should not operate a democracy but an autocracy,

where people are instructed on how to use their finances. First and foremost, people must TITHE for the church to run its autocratic government. Then, they can begin to give other free will offerings. They should not also forget the firstfruit. The church of Jesus is a military barrack and needs a despot in human flesh to head it.

The church is not a democracy o and anyone that wishes to speak his mind should get out!

"When we started this ministry, where were you? Now you want to give us opinion. To hell with your opinion. The church is not a democracy".

I hope you got the answer you wanted, Gombs?

PastorKun: Abag sharrap there, do you know how many people have lost their lives after they attended CE's (evil) healing school and they were made to stop taking drugs in exercising "faith" that they had been healed Examples abound even amongst NL members.

DrummaBoy: This will be a very difficult question to answer to you knowing what your position is already.

Your Pastor had answered that question in a stormy meeting he had with members of your church in the UK earlier this year, who were suspected of dissenting. So who am I to dare say anything to the contrary?

DrummaBoy: One day, many years ago, I was reading Acts 15, the place were the apostles sent letters to the church in Antioch to tell them that they need listen to the Judaizers about circumcision. They should follow a certain minimum and they were OK. scripture records somewhere there that the people were happy. I could see relief too in that passage, the very thing Candour is describing here. Acts 15:30-31 - " ... and when they had gathered the multitudes together, they delivered the epistle: which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation". God knows how much more he wants his people to rejoice over, which church leaders prefer to bind people up in misery with.

One of the biggest disservice church leaders can do to a flock is, in their bid to protect the flock, to then begin to list out dos and donts for them. It leads to bondage. When eventually truth is pointed out, relief and joy comes.

Should God's people not have a right to relief, joy and freedom all the time? Should churches bind up people in a bid to protect them? Is God not sufficient to save and keep safe till the end?

Forgive my Lamentations. I cannot help it sometimes.

Syncan: Chai...there is god God o.

Syncan: Lol, I think you also "did not read and understand very well" like me.

Rich4god: Guess you didnt read the previous posts thats why you are saying he is making it up...

Rich4god: How can he be making it up... You didnt read the part where someone said his mother refused taking pills for her high BP or you dont knw of JW that dont take blood transfusion even at the point of death...

alentyno: From what av deduced so far not just from what the op but the confirmation of alex and candour above makes me wonder why the catholic church is so so so criticized by pentecostals
Imagine telling someone it Is a sin to take pills...smh
No wonder the devil is succeedingly converting many people to atheism. There is just so much division in christianity!

Syncan: Hmmm, You praised Drummaboy for raising concern that frosbel's thought was "evolving" and not "rooted", yet you come to the defense of a whole church by playing the "evolving" card. I think there's a name for such behaviour, can someone remind me please?


Anyway, make frosbel finish first.

nora544: [size=20pt]The pentecost are more guilty than the roman catholics. [/size]

I read about not going to the hospital, that is so dangerous and every year some kids die because their pentecost parents didnot go to the hospital with them. I never hear this here in europa that when you are ill you should only pray and when your prayer not working because you are still ill than you are a siner sorry but this has nothing to do that you are a good christian.
God give us the brain that we can search for help for every illness, did you know that we have many hospitals here in europa who starts from the catholic church.
I know from a pentecost pastor he told a pregnat woman that she shouldnot go to the hospital for a cesarian because there is no need and she should come in the church and deliver in the church, after 3 days of pain the pastor brought her to the hospital and than is was to late for her and the child, when you tell me now that this is a real christian sorry that is not tru.

pastors are semi Gods in nigeria and that is the problems and every church has her own doctrin what has nothing to do with the bible.

Orikinla: I have promoted Yookos professionally and I am happy that it is Africa's social network site. But Christ Embassy must prove that it is a true Christian church beyond the media hype. Because, I have seen strange cases of neglected members of the church.
The church that is happy to collect offerings and tithes should also be happy to help and support their members in need as Jesus Christ clearly preached and practiced and written in Matthew 7 and 25. But is it not strange that Christ Embassy could not provide temporary accommodation for a member who eventually found a kind Muslim elder to accommodate her in Lagos. And another member who is ill complains that none of the members of the church is coming to help him even though they know that he has just started work and is yet to be paid.
When a member of Christ Embassy cannot find any fellow member of the church to accommodate whilst she was on holidays in Lagos and only an elderly Muslim man allowed her to stay with his family, then something is definitely wrong with the church.

nora544: I know since a long time that this new churches are fake churches and that this pasors only want that their business is growing that is all.

I hear it from all other churches also if it is the pastor with his 4 jets or daddy go all are the same no one is better.

all are 419 and take money out from their brainwashed followers to enrich themself.

what is with the pentecost pastor who told his followers that he can heal ebola! because an other pentecost pastor heal ebola many years before, sorry all this pentecost pastors are a disgrace for a real christian!

Image123: Wow, just wow. Mark is going to say something other than tithe? i'm happy to read this, truly happy.

PastorKun: Common sense would dictate that we are talking about the Church founded by Christ. But then again, common sense is not common.