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ATMC:
Both

malvisguy212:
today is easter, perfect day for this thread, hopefully lalasticala will put this thread in front page.

ATMC:
What will I gain?

Topgainer:
But Pastor Chris never requested that the body of Christ should pray for him

he maintained that he was sinless whether he meant that his sins do not count or that he is not involved in any within the period of the separation, accusation and counter accusations. I don't know

But he said we should pray for Anita.

And that I have done,

thanking God for delivering Anita from that pseudo Christianity and having hopes that one day Pastor Chris will also turn a new leaf, and both coming together again to promote something real

craziebone:
BLW Inc is a Pentecostal church! In other words, it is a 'Holy Ghost church'. I have heard read this in your ROR a long time ago.

I have also heard pastor say something about BLW being a catholic church. But its either he is confused about the type of christianity he preaches, or he/you do not know the definition of a pentecostal church.

I understand it when you all say your church is a catholic church. The word catholic stems from the greek word 'katholikos'; which means universal. So when you say your church is catholic, you are actually saying it is universal. That means they have one practice and belief the world over. If that's the case, then all chruches are catholic!

A pentecostal church is that church that emphasizes more on the gift of the holy ghost especially prophesy, speaking in tongues and healing. In otherwords, it is that church where the physical manifestaion of those gifts, is very frequent. Is speaking in tongues common in BLW? Yes! In fact, that's how they pray! (i can see you laugh already). Is healing common in BLW? The answer is a resounding YES! Infact, there is what they call atmosphere of miracles. Do they believe in prophesy? Last time i checked, this year for them, is the year of SPREADING!!! Since all these can be found in huge measures in BLW, it therefore means the BLW is a Pentecostal church!

A catholic church on the other hand, is a church whose basis of faith is on the sacred scriptures and sacred traditions dating back to antiquity (first century). It is therefore not only catholic (universal), it is also apostolic.

On the betrayal, you got me confused there. It seems you answered so many people all in one post and it also seems you did not get my point clearly.

When i mentioned betrayal, i wasn't saying Oyakhilome was the one who betrayed CAN and PFN. I meant it the other way round. CAN and PFN were the ones who betrayed BLW and i think the whole thing was about jealousy. They felt threatened by Oyakhilome's ability to peform Miracles and they saw his ministry rising very fast.

I remember in the 90s when he first started showing his Atm of miracles, he would sit down and so many letters will be piled up before him and he would pray over them. He would also say that he could see some people recieivng their healing. They would show the national stadium and how packed it was. When any church sees that kind of a rise, why do you think they wouldn't feel threatened?

After the ban was when he left for his PhD in the US, i suspect. When he came back, he started showing atm of faith instead. The truth is, the ban on atm of miracles really hampered the growth of BLW in Nigeria.

But there is also another benefit it has brought for the ministry. Showing atm of faith instead of just atm of miracles, has helped make more people believe in him the more. It made it more possible for many more people to stop being skeptical about where his powers came from.

After the ban, he took the ministry to Southern Africa where there was the AIDS epidemic. Our loss became SA's gain.

Joagbaje:
Gombs you get time o!

This long epistle is not necessary . Especially for the individual involved . It's like casting pearls to swine . Certain people are to be ignored .

The truth here is simple common sense . Why would Aaron be angry over a marriage Moses had been for over 40 years ?

Besides s He had no law then. Didn't Joseph marry from Egypt? Beside the father was a priest of God who had saved Moses life and ministry It's a simple common sense . but as the saying goes . Common sense is not common.

[color=Red]1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.[/color]

vooks:
All true,but where is the second marriage?

Not 'some reasons', if the wife is Ethiopian, so is the father. I merely pointed at the plausibility of a Cushite being a leader in Midian contrary to your asinine assertion that his leadership in Midian militates against him being a Cushite

Where is 'his ancestry traced to Midian'? Let's separate hallucinations from facts

He married Zippy during his one 40 years of exile

Bros, Zipporah and her two boys were brought to Moses in the wilderness well after they had left Egypt. This means that even if you were right, they met Zippy exactly at the same time as Moses; in the wilderness.

Don't be a m0ron. Even at this point of their murmuring, there was no Law yet against marrying non-Hebrews. But it was generally thus as seen by Abraham intervention in Isaac's marriage. They basically kept it 'within the family'.
What you are doing is wondering why they never murmured earlier. One plausible reason is that Zippy had just joined Moses with her father in the wilderness

Again you are assuming they knew of Zippy all along and conveniently forgetting Zippy and her dad had just met them in the wilderness

There was no Law at this point against marrying non-Hebrews, if there were please show it.
Secondly, their grievance was malicious and baseless. If God had at this point banned intermarriage And Moses intermarried, why would He be wroth for these servants who were zealous for His word? Recall God commended and rewarded Joshua for his zeal for the Law

More nonsense. Which Law did he violate? Quote it and prove it was in place before this imagined incidence. Note, nowhere in Numbers tell you Moses remarried.

They just took occasion to murmur against a HISTORICAL marriage and not a new one.

But this 'quite logical' is as dumb as it can get for is the Ethiopian wife mentioned after this? Does it mean she died immediately after this?
This is the problem with using Google to copy paste junk and hope that you will look clever. You look more stupid. Think through whatever Oyaks belches enforce regurgitating it here

But if there was already a law against intermarriage, why would Moses be vindicated for bypassing millions of Israeli galz and marrying a non-Hebrew?

Bro drop those psychedelic mushrooms. [s]This was not in the 'midst of the journey', it was BEFORE Moses got back to Egypt from Midian,[/s] from the burning bush, before the plagues, before Exodus, before splitting the Red Sea!

This is baseless speculation but most importantly, it was BEFORE Moses got back to Egypt from Midian

Which means Zippy never met neither Aaron not Miriam!
Blowing off both your hooves

How?

Amateur theologian,
Exodus forbade covenants with Caananites. Midian was not Canaan and not was Cush.

Let me paste the entire verse for you.
Exodus 34:11-16 (ESV)
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 12 Take care, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you go, lest it become a snare in your midst. 13 You shall tear down their altars and break their pillars and cut down their Asherim 14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), 15 lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and when they LovePeddler after their gods and sacrifice to their gods and you are invited, you eat of his sacrifice, 16 and you take of their daughters for your sons, and their daughters LovePeddler after their gods and make your sons LovePeddler after their gods.

The 'land' in question is Canaan. So there would have been no occasion for Aaron and Miriam to get mad.

Secondly as I told you, if Moses breached or apparently breached any Law, God ought to have corrected their overzealousness

instead of punishing them for attempting to obey Him. Thirdly, I'm still waiting for the record of Moses REMARRYING.

Once gain, the grievance against Moses was 100% unfounded.

This you got right, but not because of Exodus 34, but rather because God had used Moses to wrought wonders despite marrying Zippy the Cushite/Midianite yet it grieved Aaron and Miriam.

When Zippy was reunited with Moses by his father in the wilderness, God was indifferent to her. Why would they seize that to murmur against Moses' leadership?

It is quote probable that Miriam was annoyed by Jethro's system of delegation and she projected this on his daughter hence the sudden wrath

Where is it recorded that Moses remarried?

vooks:
Where is Moses' second marriage recorded?

Candour:


I'm not interested in this new guy my friend. You know the alta ego you delve into whenever you need help from drowning in your own twists.

Don't start getting jittery dear Gombs.....I'm sure you'll need that moniker soon enough.

Meanwhile I'm enjoying the geographic and migration info you and vooks are throwing up. Keep it going pls

Savant:
I don't want to join issues with you. You are as guilty as the people you accuse because you are already biased to disbelieve Chris. If Chris said "my wife disrespected me" he would have given us something to rationalize. Maybe she slapped him, maybe she talked back at him, maybe she flouted his instructions, maybe she insulted him verbally. However you choose to treat it, 3 fingers are pointing back at you.

1. Anita asked for the divorce. Use your tongue to count your teeth. You can't be saving your marriage and asking for a divorce. In that YouTube message that you probably haven't listened to, he told his pastors that he was as shocked as they were to hear about the divorce. He even related it to the same way the Chris Okotie saga began.

1b. That aspect about extended separation is just piffle for lack of a better word. None of the factions raised it up at any point in time. Just bloggers.

2. Listen to that message on YouTube and tell me how she was painted as anything you are alluding to. Please bear in mind that whoever recorded that message did it against Pastor Chris' knowledge or consent. Even the sound quality betrayed it. The caption of the message showed that they were anti-Pastor Chris. I listened to the close to 2hr message. Not a single thing was said in a way to demean her. In fact, I understand that his daughters where in that meeting.

3. Nobody suggested he was reminding her that he was the head. She knew it. I am saying (based on the OP) she felt she was above every other person in church and may be he disagreed with that. I alluded to this because he mentioned that she was a regular member in another pastor's church before Chris met her. So in other words, to him, she is still spiritually junior to the said pastor. All conjectures but that is what I could infer.

4. OK

5. The message in question was a 2007 message or so. I mean the one about marriage (I will check again to be sure). If anything >>7 years ago is "RECENT" to you, then time travelling should be your profession.

6. Media spin. Chris said those were not the allegations. The divorce documents from Anita agree with him. But your own imagination should be commended. J.K Rowling stuff if you ask me.

7. It is your call. You perfectly rationalized it here too.

8. Yes. Convenient. She refused to, and his 22 year old as well as 20 year old don't know enough to tell if their dad psychologically abused their mum because she hid it from them but divorced him publically.

9. The "viral" message was not released by him. Someone (a Pastor, perhaps the excommunicated Pastor Okogie) skillfully recorded it with a device whilst attending the meeting.

I have nothing more to say.

vooks:
When and where have you refuted what?
Your Oyaks nonsense is premised on the assumption that a Cushite can't be a Midianite

vooks:
You are a m0ron
Joseph was prime minister in Egypt,
Daniel was a prince in Babylon

vooks:
Nope, meaning she was a Cushite living in Midian

vooks:
Im waiting for you to stop giggling and refute what I have said.

Lord bless me with patience

Savant:
I did a little research concerning the issues between Pastor Chris and his wife when I stumbled unto that viral message he had with his pastors in UK. So when I saw this message on Nairaland my interest was further piqued. I don't know which faction is saying the absolute truth but from the viral message I came up with the following:

1. Chris wanted to save his marriage. He refused to let anyone take sides and he insisted he and his wife were one.

2. Whatever issues they had, (even though he didn't state it) we can infer that it had to do with a power tussle and perhaps his views on submission in marriage.

3. I say power tussle because he referred to the fact that before marriage, Pastor Anita was a member of Rev Tom's church. Which to me was his subtle way of saying she was under someone's authority and will not become spiritually superior to him just because of marriage.

4. I also said submission in marriage, because he alluded to a message on marriage he made that perhaps rubbed Anita the wrong way. Some way in the message he said "I am not a fool. I cannot preach a message that will be detrimental to my children. I have 2 girls"

5. I am assuming his position on marriage according to that message made women totally answerable to their husbands. There is a reason to believe this because her divorce document had a statement that related to her not agreeing with his position on marriage and claiming it was too extreme.

6. She didn't accuse him of Adultery.

7. It is very possible that she asked for some female pastors to be sacked. Perhaps this is also why he said he answered to God and would not disobey God to please anybody. He hinted at that in his "I am a MOG not a preacher" message and asked the church to pray for her.

8. Whatever abuse she felt, maybe it was because some ministry decisions were taken without her or that he refused to listen to her advice that he should let the said female pastors go. I doubt he was physically abusing her or using caustic words on her. Female kids usually take their mum's side in such a situation and I don't get the impression that his children are at loggerheads with him.

9. Whatever it is, since the family want to keep it private, then people should leave them be.

My 2 cents.

vooks:
What part of Numbers 12 indicates remarrying or a second marriage to your depraved mind?

Is this the latest straw you are clinging to hoping Oyaks will remarry Anita?
Bunch of m0rons

vooks:
When you run out of the little wits Oyaks has not corrupted you resort to gifs. Stop giggling like a m0ron and be still. You will learn a lot by hanging with wiseman vooks

Let's move on. Is there any proof that Cush(ites) were not restricted to Sudan/Ethiopia?

1. Please look up a ~200BC play revolving around Exodus called Exagoge penned by one Egyptian Jewish playwright by the name Ezekiel. He says Zipporah and her family emigrated to Midian and originally came from Gaddafi land in North Africa

2. Syrian writers of 5th century AD describe inhabitants of Southern Arabia (where Midia @) as Cushites and Ethiopians

I could go on, but the point is there is ample evidence that Cushites spread beyond Ethiopia into the Arabian peninsula. Zippy was both a Midianite and Cushite

vooks:
The same way we have African Americans dummy!
Cush is a region but Cushites did move all over just as everybody else.

vooks:
1.Moses had one wife
2. Moses' wife was Zipporah
3. Zipporah was BOTH Midianite and Ethiopian/Cushite

vooks:
Repeat,
Zipporah was both Cushite and Midianite, but as they say with fools, silence magically quadruples their IQ.

vooks:
[s]
To gods like you, right?

For Joagbaje, I pity his sheeple. For a negro who believes Adam was not the first man, he is depraved beyond redemption, but I digress.

Zipporah was both a Midianite and a Cushite just as Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo is both Congolese and American[/s]

vooks:
There is no 'other one' just one and the same person

Image123:
Make una no vex my people as i no get anything to talk for this matter. Just a little rusty, abeg what is the issue about Moses once separated from his wife
and married an African woman. until his wife was
later brought back. i'm not sure i recall this episode, please where's it again, thank you.

Joagbaje:
Leave matter. Let us all dwell on bible truth . There's no need of contention all these drama of getting personal is a simple sign of when someone has no place to hide . Truth is in the bible . Present it.

Image123:
Don't mind Jo, he is prejudiced because it is his pastor's friend. If it was Anita or somebody not recognised by his pastor, he will not be here defending the so called prediction.