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Amberon:The OP clearly stated that the Devil deceive folks into believing he owns or holds their soul or lives.... But, their is such thing and selling oneself to do evil, such is the case if sonOfLucifer. |
urahara:Heheheh... Islam isn't even sure about the life after death... Mohammed said he doesn't know what his fate was! Christ is king, and He'd come back again, and you'd see Him, and bow, saying "You're indeed Lord of all". |
Learn To Wait - Friday, April 29th . Pastor Chris Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise (Hebrews 10:35-36). The Bible is replete with accounts of men and women who achieved so much by adding patience to their faith; as did Abraham, Sarah, Joseph and Moses. This virtue is further developed through tribulations. "And not only so, but we glory in tribulation worketh patience" (Romans 5:3). Many are impatient because they really don't trust God, so they try to "help" Him bring His Word to pass quickly. Some have erred terribly in this regard, for example, King Saul; he was to wait for Samuel to come offer the sacrifice, in preparation for the war against the Philistines. Offering that sacrifice was exclusively the responsibility of Samuel the prophet; but when Samuel delayed, Saul couldn't wait, He went ahead and offered the sacrifice. Interestingly, he was still at it, when Samuel walked in. Samuel then said to him, "Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue..." (1 Samuel 13:13-14). God had made a promise to Saul that his dynasty would be forever, but Saul lost it. His demonstration of impatience cost him and his lineage the kingship. Many still make similar mistakes today. Some people want to make major decisions, and instead of them to stay on the Word, which is divine counsel, direction, or guidance, they go ahead and do what's on their minds, saying they prayed about it. In your walk with the Lord, trust Him, and be patient. If you're looking to Him for a miracle, trust Him, knowing that He never fails, and His timing is always perfect. James 1:4 says, "But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." You need patience for a balanced, successful and stable Christian life. Prayer... Dear Father, my faith in your Word is unshakeable, and my trust in you is absolute! I'm not moved by circumstances, because I know that come what may, I'll forever be victorious. Your Word is my guiding light, causing me to make right, and wise decisions, and live right, for your glory, in Jesus' Name. Amen. Further Study: Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; James 1:2-4 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Daily Scripture Reading 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 23:26-49, 2 Samuel 4-6 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 1:10-21, Psalm 139-140 |
The sudden influx of atheist here... Is pretty much interesting. The soul must have got y'all thinking,and believe it or not,the soul is so complex that science can't dare explain it... Because you can only understand it by the Word. Anyways... Let's keep to topic. Thanks
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sonOfLucifer:I don't need die yet... The good book already told me this and showed me the future of your father, the devil. The devil, knows this too. Keep playing an ostrich, hiding your head and thinking no one sees your body! |
Amberon:You're so wrong! Ezekiel 18:4 MSG Every soul—man, woman, child— belongs to me, parent and child alike. You die for your own sin, not another's. This is self explanatory. God didn't say "some souls are mine" and notice judgement of sin was the only reason a soul was killed. That is referring to the second death. The devil has no power to kill a soul... And physical death here doesn't mean the end of a Soul. |
ifenes:You're a spirit... God made you so, and you live in a body. Your body is your only licence to be on this earth, and since you're a spirit, and live in a body, you hence have a soul. Your soul, my friend, belongs to God, for he bought the whole field with the blood of Jesus. If you continue living this way, on judgement day, your soul will be tossed into the lake of fire. That's the second death. |
sonOfLucifer:God created the devil... That should tell you who owns what. If satan owns my soul, with what did he own it? He doesn't create, neither did he have any viable "negotiating chip". |
ifenes:All souls... Including yours, whether or not you know/like it. |
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine… (Ezekiel 18:4). There’re those who ask if it’s possible for people to sell their souls to the devil. No one can sell his or her soul to the devil; the reason being that all souls belong to God. How can Satan possibly pay for the soul of any human being and with what “currency” exactly? God paid for the soul of every man, woman, boy, and girl, with the precious blood of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19). Satan lies to a whole lot of Christians, deceiving them to think he’s in charge of their lives somehow, whereas he doesn’t have such rights. Jesus bought the whole field and paid for everyman. So, you can’t sell your soul to the devil. Even if you stood in front of the devil and said to him, “I sell my soul to you.” He couldn’t buy it. Your soul neither belongs to you nor Satan; it belongs to God. Even when you give your heart to Jesus, you're not“selling” your heart to Him either. The terminology of “giving your heart to Jesus” doesn’t really apply in the way we think a lot of times, as to “bundling” yourself up and giving yourself to Him. To give Him your heart is to give Him your attention. He said, “My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyesobserve my ways” (Proverbs 23:26). So, when we say, “Give your heart to the Lord”, we’re saying, “Turn over to Him; yield yourself to do His will.” The reason you can do that is because He gave you the right; He took the right off Satan, gave it to you, and said,“Give me your heart and follow me!” He told the Israelites, “I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:therefore choose life...” (Deuteronomy 30:19). He told them to choose life! Serve God truly, with your life. Love Him with all your heart, for your soul belongs to Him. It’s important to understand, nonetheless, that there's such a term as ‘selling oneself to do evil.’ This means willingly yielding oneself to do evil or wickedness. In this way, one could be said to have ‘sold himself’ to the devil or evil. “And Ahab said to Elijah, Hast thou found me, O mine enemy?And he answered, I have found thee: because thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the LORD...But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the LORD, whom Jezebel his wife stirred up” (1 Kings 21:20, 25). |
Your Soul Belongs to God - Thursday, April 28 Pastor Chris Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, soalso the soul of the son is mine… (Ezekiel 18:4). There’re those who ask if it’s possible for people tosell their souls to the devil. No one can sell his or hersoul to the devil; the reason being that all souls belong toGod. How can Satan possibly pay for the soul of any human being and with what “currency” exactly? God paid for the soulof every man, woman, boy, and girl, with the precious blood of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19). Satan lies to a whole lot of Christians, deceiving them to think he’s in charge of their lives somehow, whereas hedoesn’t have such rights. Jesus bought the whole field andpaid for everyman. So, you can’t sell your soul to the devil.Even if you stood in front of the devil and said to him, “I sellmy soul to you.” He couldn’t buy it. Your soul neither belongsto you nor Satan; it belongs to God. Even when you give your heart to Jesus, you’re not“selling” your heart to Him either. The terminology of “givingyour heart to Jesus” doesn’t really apply in the way we thinka lot of times, as to “bundling” yourself up and giving yourself to Him. To give Him your heart is to give Him your attention.He said, “My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyesobserve my ways” (Proverbs 23:26). So, when we say, “Give your heart to the Lord”, we’re saying, “Turn over to Him; yieldyourself to do His will.” The reason you can do that is because He gave youthe right; He took the right off Satan, gave it to you, and said,“Give me your heart and follow me!” He told the Israelites, “I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:therefore choose life...” (Deuteronomy 30:19). He told them to choose life! Serve God truly, with your life. Love Him withall your heart, for your soul belongs to Him. It’s important to understand, nonetheless, that there’ssuch a term as ‘selling oneself to do evil.’ This means willinglyyielding oneself to do evil or wickedness. In this way, onecould be said to have ‘sold himself’ to the devil or evil. “AndAhab said to Elijah, Hast thou found me, O mine enemy?And he answered, I have found thee: because thou hastsold thyself to work evil in the sight of the LORD...But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the LORD, whom Jezebel his wifestirred up” (1 Kings 21:20, 25). Confession... My life belongs to Jesus Christ.I’ve been crucified with Christ,nevertheless, I live, yet not I, butChrist lives in me. The life I nowlive in the flesh, I live by the faithof the Son of God, who loved meand gave Himself for me! God’spurpose is fulfilled in me, and Iwalk in His perfect will today andalways! Hallelujah. Further Study : 1 Corinthians 3:23 and ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. Isaiah 43:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Romans 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 1 Year Bible Reading Plan :Luke22:66-23:1-25, 2 Samuel 1-3 2 Year Bible Reading Plan:1 Corinthians1:1-9, Psalm 137-138 |
You're A Deliverer - Wednesday, April 27th Pastor Chris And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's (Obadiah 1:21). As Christians, we don't need deliverance from the devil, for we've already been delivered: "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son" (Colossians 1:12-13). You might then wonder why Jesus taught the disciples to pray, "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil..." (Matthew 6:13). Jesus gave His disciples and those in the Old Testament this model of prayer because, at the time, the evil one—Satan—still had power over them and God was their succour. So, they had to pray to Him to deliver them from the evil one. But in the New Testament, after the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, there's no place in the Bible that suggests that we should pray about the devil, or ask God's help against him. Satan and all his demons are under your feet; keep them there. The most beautiful part isn't that you've been delivered, but that you've been made a deliverer. Every Christian is a deliverer. We're not the ones needing deliverance. We're the ones giving deliverance. Our opening verse in the New International Version says, "Deliverers will go up on Mount Zion to govern the mountains of Esau. And the kingdom will be the LORD’s." We're champions from Zion, anointed with the Holy Ghost and power to heal, bless, deliver and transform lives. We're the hope of the world! You're in the earth as an answer to the cry of many, to bring them out of darkness, into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. Hallelujah! Prayer... Dear Father, I thank you for making me the hope and light of the world, to bring deliverance and righteousness to many! I honour you for the awesome privilege to be a blessing to my world, as I impact many with the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Your grace is superabundant upon me today, to be fruitful, productive, and effective in the ministry of reconciliation, in Jesus' Name. Amen. Further Study: Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Daily Scripture Reading 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 22:39-65, 1 Samuel 29-31 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 16:12-27, Psalm 135-136 |
Walking In His Perfect Will - Tuesday, April 26th . Pastor Chris ...that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God (Romans 12:2). There's the good will, the acceptable will, and the perfect will of God. Always, what the Lord desires is for us to walk in His perfect will. The perfect will is God's design for you. That's God's definite will for your life. A clear evidence of spiritual maturity is the ability to discern and walk in God's perfect will for your life. And this isn't something that's difficult; God's Word expresses His perfect thoughts and opinions, so you can trust the Word. Psalm 119:105 describes the Word as a lamp unto your feet, and a light unto your path. The Word gives you direction and guidance. So, you need to know God's Word to understand and walk in His perfect will for you. Praying fervently and consistently in tongues is equally very important in recognizing and walking in God's perfect will. Praying in tongues, amongst its other benefits, conditions your spirit to be attuned and sensitive to the Holy Spirit, making it easier for you to receive direction and guidance in your spirit. There're people who are into certain jobs and businesses because it's good, yet that's not God's perfect will for them. When you function in His good or acceptable will, you may or may not fulfill your destiny; you may or may not achieve God's purpose for your life. Living in the perfect will of God is living in God's best, because you're in His exact plans and purpose for you at a particular time. In your life, before you take any major steps or decisions, be sure to find out God's perfect will by spending time in fellowship with the Holy Spirit, and meditation on the Word. Don't settle for the good or acceptable will; walk in His perfect will. It's the safest place to be. Prayer... I delight in you, O Lord! You make my paths straight and plain. Your Word is within my heart, and I walk circumspectly, in your perfect will at every stage of my life, in Jesus' Name. Amen. Further Study: Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Colossians 1:9-10 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Daily Scripture Reading: 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 22:1-38, 1 Samuel 26-28 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 16:1-11, Psalm 133-134 |
Take The Step Of Faith - Monday, April 25th . Pastor Chris But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him (Hebrews 11:6). Every child of God has faith. The Bible says God has given to every man the measure of faith (Romans 12:3). However, a lot of time, some aren't bold to act their faith. For example, during a Church meeting, there could be someone who has a word of prophecy, but instead of going ahead to proclaim it, he's nervous and unable to summon enough boldness to do so. The person could be thinking, "I've never prophesied before; how can I just stand up in this crowd and start prophesying?" With such thoughts going through his mind, his faith dissipates, and the opportunity passes by, without him fulfilling God's plan for the hour. Whereas, the one who's filled with the Spirit doesn't even wait to get the full message before he stands up to give the Word. Once he hears a sentence from the Spirit, he steps out in faith to give it. And as he begins, the Spirit leads him on and on until he gives the full message. To walk in the Spirit is to walk by faith; and faith is active, not passive. It's the response of the human spirit to the Word of God. So, always be bold to act your faith. When God's Word comes to you, act on it. Take a step of faith. Imagine what the Lord said to Abraham, "...Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee" (Genesis 12:1). The Bible tells us that Abraham, without knowing where he was going, obeyed. He took a step of faith. Noah did the same thing; he took a step of faith on the basis of the words He received from God: "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house..." (Hebrews 11:7). Take a step of faith today, by boldly acting on the Word. Confession... I'm bold and very courageous! I take giant strides today on the basis of the Word! By my faith in the Word, I see the invisible and do the impossible, for the Word in me is a propelling force! I'm triumphant in my going out and in my coming in, by the ability of God's Spirit at work in me! Hallelujah! Further Study: Hebrews 11:6-13 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. Daily Scripture Reading 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 21:5-38, 1 Samuel 23-25 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 15:20-33, Psalm 131-132 |
[quote author=Goshen360 post=45001714] I'm responding according to your paragraphs.Hold it... Ephesians 6:1-2, is that not the law of Moses? ![]() [size=2pt]This is what Joagbaje has been trying to teach some folks on here. [/size] 2 - I agree with the truth in your 2nd paragraph above and that's what I was referring to that they are no longer required because of the idea they carry....it wasn't meant to mean or interpret as donation in the new testament church.Great! 3. Giving is giving NOT offerings.Proof! remember, I already listed types of offerings abolished, and showed that Paul taugh about some givings/offerings that were not as those in the book of Leviticus. Biblical offering as something different. The tithe teachers or those who twisted the tithe also tried twisting the meaning of offering.stay focused now! my question is, Is GIFTS different from GIVINGS which is also different from OFFERINGS?? The greek worrds here are dosis, domah and Prosphora. ALL these greek word has one thing in common... the word Gift. So, was Paul's techings on Collections as you call it and not gifts as in gifts, giving and offerings? Contributions can come in form of giving but not offerings .HAHHHHAHAHHHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH... Did you read what you just wrote? ![]() Dear Lord Jesus! Anyways, giving and offerings as i showed you in the NT has a common word.. GIFTs. So, conversely, you're saying Contributions can come in form of giving but not gifts. https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/psycrs.gif There's a purpose for offering and there's purpose for contribution or giving.There's a purpose for doesn't make sense to me meeeehn! there is another word "Collection", it appeared once in the NT, and the greek is Logia, which means money gathered for the relief of the poor, you'd see that in 1 Corinthians 16:1, which brings me to the latter part of my question, for we know what you term contribution or collection was not gathered for the relief of the poor... except the Pastor said it is initially. If you think contributions are offerings as used by some translations, then you and those translations can argue with HEBREWS 10:5 - 8. ![]() 4 - Gifts, collections and offerings as used in the new testament. ...we have to follow the context.Hilarious ![]() Plus,stay focused now! ![]() It's best understood to mean I collected from them to give to those in need among the church of God, not for my personal purpose.....my paraphrasehahahahahahahah...Go read that place again. Other Christians (probably Macedonia) gave monies to Paul, so that he can work among the Corinthians, they provided his needs (Pocket money, shaving money, okada money, Amala ati ewedu dinner, Tax money, etc).... and it was for his personal purpose.. go read verse 9 You have to go to where Paul collected the so called "offerings" and reconcile it with where he delivered it. ![]() What was it is when he collected it and what was it when delivered? ![]() let me help you call backup... hello Eastbay, wanna attempt this? Why did Paul Collect and Delivered an Offering for the Jerusalem Church? What compelled Paul to raise funds among his gentile converts for the poor in Jerusalem? Note: Paul wrote, that his offering up of the gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost... The word offer there means, gift, ....a present! so, then i ask, If tihes are done away with, what about offerings? |
Be Faithful With The Anointing - Sunday, April 24th . Pastor Chris But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you...(1 John 2:27). As a child of God, there's an anointing on your life; it's a divine enablement. Many mistake the anointing for the Spirit, but the anointing isn't the Spirit. The Spirit gives the anointing: the anointing is a divine power. It's that power of God that heals, delivers, removes burdens, and causes you to prosper. It brings you victory. It opens doors for you. It uplifts you, and causes you to fulfil the will of the Father. It accomplishes works beyond your human ability. Another beautiful thing is that the anointing on your life can increase. Sometimes, people want to do more; they want to make more impact with the Gospel by reaching more people. Yes; that's possible and commendable, but you need increased grace. God will have to increase the authority given to you; but first, you must be faithful with what you already have. If you're faithful in using what you currently have, then He'll cause a new anointing to come on you. If you're a leader in the house of God, for instance, and the Lord has committed fifty members to you to lead, be committed in praying and interceding for those fifty as you would for fifty thousand. If you're not faithful with the fifty, even if you fast and pray for increase in membership, it may never happen, because the anointing can't be increased without faithfulness. Jesus said in Luke 16:10, "He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much." It's a spiritual principle. Choose to be faithful with whatever the Lord has committed to your hands. Don't despise little beginnings, because your faithfulness with, and to that which may seem "little" today is what will take you to the next level. Prayer... Dear Lord, I thank you for your anointing upon my life, and for the privilege of being a minister of reconciliation. My spiritual fervour is at its peak, because I'm full of the Spirit. I'm faithful and effective in the ministry and assignment committed into my hands, in Jesus' Name. Amen. Further Study: 1 Corinthians 4:1-2 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. 1 Peter 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Daily Scripture Reading 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 20:20-21:1-4,1 Samuel 20-22 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 15:10-19, Psalm 129-130 |
Candour:He said he'd give it to God... Now, y'all folks saying pastors are tithe collectors are the ones who should hide in shame... The man gave his tithes as vowed... My point is, he gave tithe TO God. So its now Jacob you're following? No more Abraham's tithe? Of course you must enter a spin into the matterTry as much as you can to turn tables, but any sane person would see that I used Jacob's tithe to refute your baseless claims that tithes before the law was spoils of war. See Jacob giving God conditions HE MUST FULFILL for the tithe to be givenRefer to the above know why I mentioned Jacob's tithing. Of course Mosaic law was all about penalties. Sin offering, atonement offering, cleansing rites etc. Or you don't know?What's new to me is that he imposed a fine to deter folks from tithing in cash ![]() Exactly my point. Abraham gave tithes from spoils of war, NOTHING FROM HIS RICHES before he went to war. Jacob vowed to give from whatever he made from Laban's house. 2 very different things.You had no point. You baselessly said that tithing before the law was spoils of war... Should I quote you? ![]() Punishment for not using the ATM. That should be clear. ![]() ?? ![]() Won't thieves who don't repent go to hell? So why won't non tithing christians (robbers of God according to oyaks) not go to hell? Are you scared of saying it?I won't delve into your circle walking... I have told you and shown you God's pronouncement, however your deductions are is your problem. Why not say it and free your conscience?My conscience is clear... Your deductions are however your opinions. The oyaks divorce is also a devourer... Or you don't think so?Try to stay focused. Stay on topic. Abraham gave tithes ONCE of spoils of war, Jacob vowed to give A tithe dependent upon God meeting a condition. How do these 2 instances resemble the obligation on you and others that you're trying to preach to me today?My question was where was it written that God commanded them both to tithe? If it wasn't a revelation, as Abel's firstfruits offering, what else could it have been, seeing that God later instituted tithing? Be bold enough to say it na. Will robber go to hell? Will a non tithing Christian go to hell?Redundancy Does Malachi 3:8-11 apply to a Christian? Was that scripture on non tithers as robbers written to Christians?Here we go again! ![]() Let me fetch you a link about this malachi thing? Did Aaron pay tithes? Was he not also in Abraham's loins when he paid?This is common sense na... Wasn't Aaron a Levite? (Ex 4:14,that's another day's talk) Did levites pay tithes? What are you now saying? They collected these tithes and paid in Abraham... Simple grammar! Melchizedek received from Abraham. Bible didn't tell us if Jacob redeemed his vow and to whom.So, he didn't and yet, God blessed him? Na wa ooooooooooooo... You mean the line of promise had a dishonesty link? Moses commanded Israelites to give to Levite's while Levite's were commanded to give to Aaron to eat belleful. ![]() You can see clearly defined givers and collectors. Who collects yours other than oyaks and some crumbs for Jo etc?Stay focused. Try and read your bible. Israelites pay to levites so levites can chop.However it may, how many times do I have to tell you my tithing predates the law? Numbers 18:24 KJVRedundancy. Who eats your tithes? Oyaks?Redundancy I can see you've got nothing else to say aside wallow in same back and forth. Twas nice explain more to the world about tithe with you around. Thanks buddy! |
Goshen360 this is for you... Tithes and offerings are widely discussed and God spoke of them in Malachi. If tithes are done away with, what about offerings? You did say in the other thread that God referred to burnt offerings, but I beg to differ. There are many instructions for sacrifice throughout the Pentateuch, but Leviticus chapters 1-7 is completely dedicated to the 5 Levitical offerings which were the main sacrifices used in the rituals. They describe 5 kinds of sacrifices: The burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering, and the trespass offering. Each of the sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. But Paul talked about some kind of givings (some translations used offerings), he also taught on the conditions for giving, and the benefits...My question is, is giving not same as offerings? Is collections (as you lot call it) the giving Paul was talking about? What of that of Peter and Ananias? Was it collections too? finally, what is the difference between gifts, collections and offerings, as used in the new testament. Thanks. put these in mind 2 Corinthian 11:8 New International Version I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. Note this question too Why did Paul Collect and Delivered an Offering for the Jerusalem Church? What compelled Paul to raise funds among his gentile converts for the poor in Jerusalem? thanks |
Candour:I can Understand, I really do. Genesis 28:22 KJVWhy do you all have a problem then, when i say "I give my tithes to God?" ![]() Hebrews 7:4 KJVDid Jacob give spoils of war? Which war? Hint: Go to Genesis 28:22 KJV and see what he tithed of. Pa pa pa pa......myself. Are u OK now?Moses and fines... that's a new one buddy! ![]() Hebrews 7:4 KJVWas Jacob a Sumarai, a Marine, Commando, of Sparta-like warrior? ![]() Have you heard of cash handling charges? My bank charges me 100naira if I refuse to use my ATM at the bank. That's exactly a punishment for still doing my cash transactions across the counter.Punishment or choice? Is it their money? ![]() HallelujahGlory!! What do you think?Heretic? ![]() ??v 33 So do you also believe a non tither is a robber and must go to hell?God is faithful, merciful and kind. He is gracious. He didn't talk about hell when He said folks rob Him, He however spoke of a curse they bring on themselves. If you like, tithe, if you don't like, leave others who do. Tithing, like anything in God's kingdom is a choice. Jo called it a revelation and principle.Yup! I asked someone on here to show me where God commanded Abraham and Jacob to tithe... mind obliging me? Will I also go to hell for not catching this tithe principle?Scroll bit up for an answer ![]() If its by revelation, how does it become obligatory for you and I that it becomes MUST PAY according to oyaks?Like I said, it is a choice, if you like, tithe, if you don't... don't. I have NEVER SEEN OR HEARD Pastor Chris force anyone to tithe... NEVER. If Jacob already paid according to the belowDid Levi Pay tithe in Abraham? If yes... Why do you have a problem when heirs according to the promise pay tithes? ![]() Genesis 28:22 KJVLol... You all had the assumption that pastors are tithe collectors, I asked who collected Jacob's since Jacob said he will give it to God. The onus is on y'all who call pastors tithe collectors to show who received Jacob's, and tell us who taught the man the principle of tithes. Does that mean Joseph, Simeon etc didn't also need to pay since they already paid in Abraham's loins? Or didn't it cover them also?Be reasonable na, were these folks levites who received tithes? ![]() The levites received these tithes, and the bible reckons that the levites paid these tithe in Abraham, when Abraham met Melchizedek, who share same priesthood as Jesus, FOREVER. Please don't.I can't ![]() |
No Failure Or Defeat -Saturday, April 23rd . Pastor Chris According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3). The life that we've been called to live in Christ is the transcendent life. It's far removed from failure and defeat, because we're associates of the God-kind. We're joint heirs with Christ. Why then should any Christian suffer defeat and pain, when he's a joint-heir with Christ? God had a plan, to make you one with Christ. That plan has already materialised. 1 Corinthians 6:17 says, "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." Now that you're born again, you're one with the Lord. You've come into union with Christ. You're not one who's struggling to attain God's level; you're already one with Him. Therefore, sickness, disease and infirmity shouldn't have a place in your body. Failure of any kind isn't, and shouldn't be, a part of your life. Satan isn't a factor either, because you're seated with Christ in heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that's named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come. You're superior to Satan and his cohorts. Moreover, Ephesians 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." You might say, "But He only blessed us with all spiritual blessings"; no, understand that the spiritual controls the physical. The lesser is included in the greater. So, if you're blessed with all spiritual blessings, then you have automatically been blessed with all physical blessings. This means that there's nothing you don't have. No wonder Paul said, "...all things are yours" (1 Corinthians 3:21). Everything you require for the life of absolute success, victory, dominion, glory and righteousness has already been granted you in Christ. That's what we read in our opening verse. So, as a Christian, poverty is unnecessary, because you're the seed of Abraham. The reason many suffer is their lack of knowledge: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." (Hosea 4:6). Get to know who you are. You were called to a life of glory and excellence, not failure and defeat. Live every day with this consciousness. Confession... I've obtained an inheritance, which is imperishable and undefiled! I've been blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. I'm a success forever. The world is mine! My life is the testimony, and revelation of God's grace, wisdom, perfection, and righteousness. Blessed be God! Further Study: Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Psalm 115:15-16 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth. 16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. Daily Scripture Reading 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 20:1-19, 1 Samuel 18-19 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 15:1-9, Psalm 127-128 |
SirJohn:Sir, I hail jare... you just wake leave area! Mbaemeka, Bidam, Idnoble, etc. I almost thought you deactivated too. Great to have you back jare. ![]() |
Goshen360:Abeg, help bro Candour na ? ![]() |
Candour:Never knew that could be a difficult question to answer.. Issorai. Bible didn't say. [s]do you know? In fact how did he fulfill the vow?[/s]Thanks. So, because the bible didn't say, shall we then assume their was a physical tithe collector? ![]() No wahalaThanks So under whose law are you paying tithe? Jacob's?My tithing pre dates the law!Do we need go over that again? ![]() Just like its your choice to avoid using seatbelt on the highway and get a fine from FRSC. It doesn't make it a proper habit.So, Moses fined them folks who gave money in lieu for the crops or livestock? ![]() Klap for yasef No argument here.Great! Choice that came with a 20% penalty. Do the farmers in your church pay this penalty?Looooooooool! Tithing in my church predates the law, How many times do i have to tell you? ![]() If it wasn't, it won't be a penalty.see logic na! .Just like saying, "we accept cash here, but if you bring your ATM card to use on our POS, we'd deduct 5% VAT also". Question now is, How is the ATM card VAT a deterrent for those who doesn't have cash? That should go without saying I guess. But praise God you know.Praise God you agreed. From the bible we seeCandour International Version (CIV), yeah? Leviticus 27:30-31 KJVRedundancy. Go to verse 33 Your daddy, oyaks preaches mosaic tithe hence his saying YOU PAY IT.a new dimension now! Out of steam, no? ![]() well the term "PAY IT" was from the bible, scroll a bit down, you'd see the verse. ![]() Tell us who collected it.The fact you don't know proves that the norm "tithe collector" is a fantasy of anti tithers. ruminate on this Heb 7 NIV 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor. a little hint: Where was Jacob when Abraham met Melchizedek? This should give you a clue, if it doesn't...then, I'm sorry. You can even call it "Omo Onile fees" or "marching ground" or "bush entry" after all you worship a god that would send devourer your way if you refuse to surrender your 10%hehehehehehehehehhihihiihihihhhhahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahah After all the time you wasted opening up "Midas touch by Kenneth Hagin for us and seeing what the man wrote about the so-called first fruits, you're still peddling the fraud??I refuse to derail! ![]() |
Candour:Were they farmers? A 'yes' or 'no' would be just fine. All these tory because I told you Jesus didn't collect tithes?Stay focused... Who was the tithe collector for Jacob? ![]() To those who forget the church actually has factual history well documented.That's another day's topic So after reading this part, its still difficult for you to realise TITHE WAS PURELY AGRICULTURAL?Under Moses law, yes! You must have missed it in my post. Does this scripture not tell you that tithe was only in kind? ![]() Is that not enough to tell you that even monetizing tithe attracted a penalty?NO sir! It was purely choice. Monetary redemption was not allowed for the tithe of animals. Moses declared in verse 33, that "It shall not be redeemed". This means that the tithing law of Moses prohibited cattle ranchers from paying money at all. They were required to give the tenth animal no matter if they wanted to keep it for some reason to themselves. It was a choice oooooooooooooo! Not a penalty. The choice was however limited to tithes of animals. Why will there be a penalty if not to serve as a deterrent?It is not a deterrent oooooooooooooooooooooooo! [s]Or does it mean all you that are paying cash are actually adding 20% as penalty?[/s]Inconsequential ![]() No my friend. Moses tithe was strictly agric produce.Including animals... To show how serious God took the matter, a penalty of extra 20% awaited anyone intending to monetize it as the scripture you quoted also told u.https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/scbu.gif ...and that was how a theory was born! No money as tithe.....only agric produce. Crops and the tenth animals that passed under a rod.Money, as i Just proved was a choice limited to tithe of animals. Well, no need debating Moses' law of tithing, i just wanted to sufficiently show that; 1. the norm "tithe collector" is an absurd word, because y'all can't answer who collected/received Jacob's tithe. 2. Monies were accepted as tithes under Moses, but with an extra charge, and limited to animal tithing( I call it VAT )3. Tithing like first fruits were acts of faith by Abraham and Abel respectively, acts that was commended by God. Peace! |
Goshen360:You sure? ![]() |
Candour:exactly bro! |
openmine:be my guest ![]() |
Candour:I no wan just mention names... I wanted him to go there himself ![]() Now you're tripping over the fact the Jesus never paid tithes because he was not a farmer!So, Jesus as a jew never paid tithe because he was not a farmer shey? Ok, when Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, were they farmers? How about Jesus received gifts or offerings but NEVER collected tithes because he was not a LEVITE or is that confusing to you too?Stop these fantasy of "collecting tithes". Joagbaje has said it for the umpteenth time, Pastor's are not tithe collectors. Pastor's pay their tithes in faith, as papa Abraham did to that man who shares the same priesthood as Jesus...and since Abraham is the father of our faith, I think it is self explanatory, because it would be foolish for you to ask me who was the tithe collector, since God didn't command Abraham to give tithes, and still went on to tell Moses to institute tithing. Who was the tithe collector for Jacob? Or None of the apostles collected tithes because they were not levitesrefer to the above Or the fact that the church NEVER collected tithes until 585AD after the council at Tours decided to go back to mosaic law for sustenance because of the collapse of the Roman empire that had sustained the church after Christianity became official religion? And even then it was strictly agricultural produce like Mosaic law prescribed?fable history... err, Moses' law was't strictly agricultural produce, and still ..it wasn't just crops...monies were involved. There were only two types of income that were tithable: One was from agricultural production. "All the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s" (Leviticus 27:30). This meant that a tenth of all agricultural produce of the land of Israel, whether fruits or vegetables, had to be tithed. The second type of tithable income was the increase of animals. "All the tithe of the herd or flock, whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord" (verse 32). Only these two specific income producers were subject to the tithe IN THE LAW OF MOSES. [size=3pt]Thank God I tithe by the faith of faithful Abraham to a priesthood who lives for ever. [/size]There was, however, one exception to this rule. Leviticus 27:31 reads: "If a man will redeem ought of his tithe, he shall add unto it the fifth part thereof." In other words, if a man for various reasons did not wish to pay his tithe in kind (and he wished to give money as a substitute), he was penalized a fifth part. Y'all should drop the tithe collector brouhaha, and that monies were never involved, but just crops. Are you still confused by these assertions my dear friend Gombs?I should be asking you same, my dear friend. There are too groups of folks insisting tithing is Christian doctrine. They areThere are too groups of folks insisting tithing is not a Christian doctrine. They are 1.The sincerely wrong 2.The frugally inclined. You my friend are in the first group. |
Pheeew. What a thread! Openmine, you seemed new to this arena, and I say welcome! Certain gladiators here, over the years, have been mute for several reasons, but this thread, is a replica of another that has being long dealt with, devoid of the shameless personal attacks of folks who cannot stay on topic, but show their neonate nature in biblical discussions. I welcome you to this thread, and offer you a new thread for a square discussion, of course making plainer the things joagbaje has been saying since the thread below and many more before it. In this thread, you will be amazed at the reasoning of some folks; Highlights include 1. Tithes and offerings, Tithe is done with, so is offerings, what we take today in church is called COLLECTIONS. Let me quote one of many What is this? What we give in worship gathering is 'contribution' NOT offerings. We don't give 'offerings' in worship gathering UNDER THE NT, such was by the law. ![]() Someone then showed where Jesus called these givings as gifts, here was one of the replies when Jesus made dat statement there was no christianity, only judaism, it was still OT, Christ died gave d perfect offering(his blood) and brought in NT n christianity, in christianity, we are enjoined to offer our bodies as living sacrifice n d fruit of our lips. I told u , d money we give in church are contributions, whats so dif to udastand? 2. The myriad of insults from the anti-titters 3. This epic post by one of the folks who posted few minutes ago, he said Jesus NEVER paid tithes because he wasn't a farmer, the same folks said Jesus was under the law, and functioned under the Mosaic laws before His death, but we now see an exception, He didn't pay tithe because He was not a farmer. ![]() Just go there, it's 31 pages, but worth the read. Forget the shifting of goal post folks are trying to do here from the topic at hand to personal jabs. https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles#18401359 I await your response. |
Openmine, This thread has being instrumental for years... a bit long, but profitable. |
The Answer Is In You - Friday, April 22 Pastor Chris For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live] (Ephesians 2:10 AMP). As a Christian, there's no challenge or problem strong enough to destroy you, because the greater One lives in you. You're more than a conqueror. Before you were born, God already knew every problem you'd ever face, and made you a victor. The reason God allows problems or challenges come to you is that He already put the solution inside you. Problems gravitate towards their solution. So, when you face challenges, don't cover or fret; rather, rejoice, for it's your opportunity to manifest the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:13 says, "...but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able...." God doesn't mind that you're facing a challenge in your life, because He knows that by acting on the Word, you can change the situation and turn it into a testimony that'll glorify His Name. It doesn't matter what you may be going through, just know that you have the answer in you. That's why He says, "...count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations" (James 1:2). Romans 8:28 says, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." God has prepared a glorious life for you; a life of advantage, victory, dominion and joy; He didn't prepare your life for defeat or failure! You're His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for glory and excellence. Live the good life that He prearranged for you. Prayer... Dear Lord, I'm grateful that you made me a peculiar treasure unto you, and called me to a life of glory, excellence, and dominion. Thank you for setting me on the path of life: the path of righteousness and of glory, in Christ Jesus! I walk in divine wisdom, today and always, in Jesus' Name. Amen. Further Study: Colossians 3:15-16 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. || Romans 8:35-38 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Daily Scripture Reading 1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 19:28-48, 1 Samuel 16-17 2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 14:12-23, Psalm 125-126 |
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