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solite3:
we dont have to debate this, goodluck

solite3:
you think, destruction only comes in form of death? And by the way what do you mean quoting scriptures religiously? Why did you jump to defend or attack what you dont understand? Obviously you cant deny that verse.

We don't have to debate what or not destruction or destroyer is. Since that verse was quoted in reference to old testament people, all we needed to do was go back to what or how they were destructed by the destroyer - it happened to them physically so you shouldn't spiritualize it now. Again you quote a scripture to imply what happened to them will happen to us today whenever we do the same thing they did as sin so i asked, was YOU YOURSELF destroyed the last time you complained or murmured?

solite3:
1 John 1:7-10 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I often ask hyper-grace teachers to explain who these verse is meant for, but end up blabbing.
Is it meant for unbelievers or belivers?
No, unbelievers dont need to confess their sins why unbelievers are totally dead spiritually before God what would save them is accepting Christ then this verse is certainly met for believers who are already saved but hyper grace teachers often deny this meaning it was written for nobody, is nt it wonderful?

Let's do this, before we deal with that verse and who John was writing to and what John was saying in that verse etc. Let's do this:

Confessing your sin to receive forgiveness - Do you receive forgiveness of sins BY THIS CONFESSION ............or........2/ Do you receive forgiveness of sins BY CHRIST THROUGH AND IN HIS BLOOD?

13He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1

solite3:
1 Corinthians 10:6-10 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Hyper grace message is nonsense, the old testament is an example for us not to commit the sins that they do or else we will suffer the repercussion of it.

Ask yourself, the last time you complained or murmured how come the destroyer didn't destroy you like it says in the scripture you quoted?

I'm not saying what they did was good but you quoting these scriptures either religiously or not understanding them in the light/revelation of the finished works of Christ or you're simply confusing the old covenant with the new.

The same way they sinned every year is the same way we sin today every year but not the same sacrifice for sin. Abi YOU YOURSELF WAN TALK SAY YOU NEFA SIN THIS YEAR NI? ABI YOU NO GO SIN IN 2020?. Your sins in 2020 is in the future and that one sacrifice of Christ had already paid or dealt with your future sins.

All finished works of Christ for us is what is all wrapped up in what is called THE GRACE OF GOD. I don't know about the Hyper you're talking about though.

The righteous man is the man in Christ - Christ our righteousness!

solite3:
when I said sin cut off fellowship, I do not mean he or she cease to be sons of God. By the way it is not God that cuts the fellowship but the sin itself like shotting your windows so that sun rays can not inter your room.

Let's go by what you said the : It is not God who cut off relationship when a believer sin, it is sin itself. That's just you saying sin is greater than what Christ did with His blood. There's no sin that can stand what Christ paid in His blood except for the sin of rejecting the One who paid for the sins of the world. The redemption and forgiveness of sins in Christ is not what was obtained in/under the old covenant. Hebrews 10v1-18.

solite3:
The Israelites many a time experiences this. The story of the prodigal son is another very know example of a son shutting up himself from his father.

Israelite under that old covenant are rebellious and are type/shadow of the better covenant to come. You liken or compare Christians to Israelite and/or the new covenant, you err not understanding the power of the new covenant in the blood of Christ. Listen to this that God said concerning the old and new covenant regarding same Israel you quote/reference and the new covenant believers as regards sin in the finished works of Christ:

16“This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day,c says the LORD: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”17, Then he says, “I will never again remember their sins and lawless deeds.”

The prodigal son went away from the father not that the sin cut off relationship between him and the father. As soon as he returned back, the father was waiting to receive him and the father didn't allow his sin to cut off their relationship. That's a earthly father, how much more our heavenly father. God knows you/we are always going to make mistakes, so He made something different from the old covenant - please study Hebrews 10.

solite3:
sin is offending God, if you offend someone how do acess that person without restoring that relationship? God is a person that can be offended with sin, and this will attract consequences if we refuse to repent. God arms are always open for us to repent.

It is true sin is offending to God BUT God had already dealt with sin ONCE AND FOR ALL TIMES. How is that difficult for you to understand?

New Living Translation
If that had been necessary, Christ would have had to die again and again, ever since the world began. But now, once for all time, he has appeared at the end of the age to remove sin by his own death as a sacrifice.
Hebrews 9v26

Once and FOR ALL TIMES is simply, past-present-future. Its not like when you sin tomorrow which is in the future, Christ is not coming to make a sin sacrifice for you afresh. You will/might pay for your sins when the hands of the government gets you when you do something stupid as believer but that's not God punishing you for your sins, that's you being rewarded for you act with the government. God doesn't punish any man for their sins because he already punished all sins on Christ but we do face the consequences of our stupid acts weather believer or not.

solite3:
I understand that, Christ has paid for our sins past, present or future not only ours but for the whole world but there is a condition to receiving it which is to come with God for the unbelivers. And for the beliver he should confess his sins unto God.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Sin can cut us off from fellowship with God.

What kind of father will allow sin to cut off fellowship with his sons and daughters?

2/ Can you show us from scriptures where sin cut off God's fellowship with his sons and daughters?

3/ When YOU YOURSELF sin, does God cut fellowship with you?

4/ If God cut fellowship with you, how did you gained access back to him before asking for forgiveness?

Those who think sin is greater than the finished works of Christ are in delusion while they themselves still ask for forgiveness of sins. If their doctrine is correct, their names too should be erased when they sin and write back again when they repent etc. It doesn't add up to scriptures. Scriptures says, when Christ comes again he is not coming to deal with sins. Why? Because he already dealth with it once and for all times.

Perfectbeing:
Can you preach the same message you are preaching here in Nigeria /Africa in developed countries where there is already prosperity?
They have no need of financial or material breakthroughs
They have no need of miracles jobs
They are not seeking for the miracle of the fruit of the womb. They have advanced medicine
They are not trusting God for the miracle of a life partner
They are not believing God for a miracle job : their government have worked enough miracles in that area already
NO curses to break, no witch to kill and no deliverance needed for them to enter their destiny
They have good health care and technology
NO one is coming to the alter on Sunday to share testimony of a miracle car or miracle house
Like I said, the government are miracle workers
NO one needs to sow a special seed to gain admission into the university or to reap anything at that
There are no blood sucking demons on their highways because they have good roads
Most of the life-threatening emergencies you would pray and hold warfare for, they get swift answers by dialling 911
Will you preach your phony visions and doctrines of head tie, weavons, marine Kingdom and lipstick? They will arrest you!
Will you preach women should not wear trousers or makeup as doctrine there?
Will you hold vengeance service there too?
How about feet washing to enter into your inheritance?
They are already in their inheritance!
Will preach your fire message there?
Mr Preacher, what will you preach in such places?
Will you not preach Christ Jesus and him crucified?
Will you still preach another gospel?
The gospel is the universal need of all men. Rich or poor!
Every nation, undeveloped, underdeveloped, developing and developed
They all need Jesus, they need the gospel!
Forgiveness of sins, eternal salvation, no condemnation, identification!
NO more!
If you cannot preach the same gospel you are preaching here everywhere else in the world, you are preaching a false gospel!

I'm Goshen360 and I endorse the message as Gospel truth!

[quote author=petra1 post=84838373][/quote]Continue in your deception!

He also said he'll never do it again demanding money or any type of seeds FOR GOD'S BLESSINGS or IN EXCHANGE FOR GOD'S BLESSINGS. The problem with you guys is, you can like a man of God for special reason (s) but you like him to defend his errors.

In other video interviews with Benny Hinn, he himself admitted that that people DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE BACK FROM GOD after sowing these seeds and in some cases, some go worse financially meaning it doesn't work hundred percent.

Bottom line, giving to get from God or sowing seeds to double a blessing from God in Christianity is not different from MMM or Baba ijebu or even babalawo technics. These are false gospel that people like the prosperity preachers have introduced into the church of Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKM6eckeYCo

What's wrong with these preachers? They collect tithe from local church, all branches remit 100% tithe to headquarter, they sell devotional materials, they collect seeds, firstfruits seeds, they collect special and sacrificial seeds AND YET, NEVER SATISFIED but still asking seeds for God to bless people.

The God I know does NOT operate like MMM or baba ijebu....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_i88FZ40I

In the church, where Christ is the resurrected Lord, we DO NOT have this culture.

maiunguwar:
@Goshen360 are you guys still in the grass cutter business?

Yes

OLAADEGBU:
What's the big deal in winning a closely contested re-election? He should have won by a landslide.

U like to see what you like to see....it's a choice but that's a state Trump won by 20% margin....it starts from the top down.

OLAADEGBU:
That is kind of photoshopped videos/pictures you liberals like to feed on. Isn't it good to be a Democrat?

Hard heartedness ola, check another southern states going down on your commander in chief....a state he won by 20%.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvKknscp3sk

Gradually your eyes and heart will open

OLAADEGBU:
Your Christianity is fake if you don't endorse President Trump for 4 more years.

Is it me and my Christianity that's fake or you and your commander in chief that got his lies proven by nature himself.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boaVq5MDLP0

Maybe that's fake news too...

OLAADEGBU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELozlbYARto

Trump's spiritual adviser: More devout than you...

You watch that and still stand by that sucker, there is hope for you.....

MuttleyLaff:
The hustle is real, lol.

See as, I just put hand rest for neck, come yakata open mouth wide bin dey mumu look

Nwanne, please share when and how Jesus in His days rendered that pool of Bethesda null and void. Thank you.

Everything that happened in the earthly Walk of Christ happened for God's purpose and will. At the pool, Jesus was there, the man had always been there when ANGELS come to stir the water. Hebrews says, Christ better and greater than Angels so the works of Christ nullified works angels doing.

When Christ came to that pool, he did what the man was waiting or waited for angels to do. So as he came to the scene angels used to operate on, he ended the angelic assignment by doing a healing without the angel, rendered the stiring of water no more. Hence, you never read of angel coming to stir that pool anymore after Christ healed with the man without him jumping in the pool anymore.

petra1:
Nothing is wrong in blessing a pool for the purpose of healing the sick . But what is wrong is demanding money for it

What's wrong with Matthew 16v18?

I saw this on YouTube from one the the bloggers I follow their blog and I was sick to my stomach. Many Christians didn't not even know Jesus had already rendered that pool of Bethesda null and void in his days.

Men like iginla are just merchandise of the Bible

OLAADEGBU:
Don't speak too soon.

Maybe this video is fake news as your commander in chief would always say.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfpQ9lFWX6A

Unfortunately, your own fox news has it too and Google plus YouTube is your feed....

We know your commander in chief doesn't read but you can....at least the right wing black Republicans like you can read the handwriting on the wall like for now and 2020.....when you start to see deep red States begin to go Blue, you already can tell there's something in the pipeline coming......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBYKblwCaSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo21P7vOXCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P2fPRto_gY

MuttleyLaff:
Image123, I think you're nitpicking and was hypercritical about this man's short video clip. Almost everything under the sun, in the traditional or old-fashioned era years ago, was a big issue for everyone and not just them, BLW.

Lastly, there is nothing wrong in women wearing trousers/pants Image123. Are you saying Mrs Image123 and the Misses Image123 dont wear and/or havent ever worn a pair of trousers/pants ni?

Abeg help me ask Image123 ooo

OLAADEGBU:
Calm down bro. I can see your tail and nose growing longer as you continue to vent your anger at this truth. Scriptures backing up those points have been posted unless you are selective on what you want to see.



The Moral Law is one, how is that different from what is posted here? You need to get over the loss of Obama/Hilary in the last presidential election and smell the coffee. Your support for Obama is making me think that there is more to it than meets the eye.

Every time you discuss the word, you always show your lack of being grounded in the truth and always shifting goal post. Btw, it's being proven u do this game playing and post shifting all the time....if not, what has Obama and Hilary got to do with this topic if not distraction.....you are the very one that should get over it and move on.

My point again:

When the law given to ISRAEL AS A NATION, it was given as ONE.....AND NOT DIVIDED INTO 3 CATEGORIES like you law advocate wants to teach. This is so that a break in this one is a break in all the rest of the 612 and including the 10 commandments.

IF YOU HAVE SCRIPTURES THAT MADE THOSE 3 DIVISIONS CATEGORY, PLEASE SHOW IT TO US. IF YOU HAVE SCRIPTURES SAYING THE ONE LAW WAS DIVIDED INTO 3 CATEGORIES SHOW IT TO US.

2. It is a TRUTH that has existed in the scriptures that.....BEFORE LIVED BEFORE THE LAW AND HAD MORALS WITHOUT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. E.g, Joseph, Enoch, Abraham etc.....What's their 10 commandments that they lived by? A Christian DO NOT NEED the 10 commandments to be moral. People who are not even Christians can be moral without the 10 commandments.

MuttleyLaff:
Goshen360, abeggy no keel pesin with laffta for here ooo.

I just like reading lies, when I know the truth. It amazes me, how people dont let the Bible ordinarily speak by itself, but people help the Bible saying things, it isnt saying and even forcibly putting words into the Bible's mouth, shoving it down its throat, choking the poor thing with shock I would suppose

Na so o my brother.....lol

OLAADEGBU:
We are not under the Old Testament Law

God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. This signifies that God ordained order of male and female--not male and male or female and female. This is important because it was before the Mosaic Law was given. The Mosaic Law properly reflects the created order of God that excluded homosexuality. Therefore, the argument that homosexuality is not for Christians because it was intended for Israel under the Old Testament law does not apply.

Also, this argument fails to see the difference between civil, ceremonial, and moral divisions of The Law. In addition, some laws were for Israel only, while others were for everyone. First, let's look at Leviticus since it is the book under examination.

1. Civil--Expired with the demise of the Jewish civil government
Justice practices (Lev. 24:17-23)
Law of property redemption (Lev. 25)
Be just with the poor (Lev. 19:15)
Do not hate in your heart (Lev. 19:17)
Retain just scales in commerce (Lev. 19:35f)
Robbery, extortion, false witness, and restitution (Lev. 6:1-7)

2. Ceremonial--Expired with the fulfillment of priestly work of Christ (Matt. 3:15)
Various sacrificial offerings for sin (Lev. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6).
Priestly duties (Lev. 7:1-37)
Laws on animals for food (Lev. 11:1-47)
Cleaning house of leper (Lev. 14:33-57)
Law of Atonement (Lev. 16:1-28;17:1-16)
Regulations for Priests (Lev. 21,22)
Festivals (Lev. 23:1-25)

3. Moral--No Expiration because it is based on God's character. "You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy," (Lev. 19:2)
Do not steal or lie (Lev. 19:12)
Do not oppress your neighbour (Lev. 19:13)
No idolatry (Lev. 26:1-13)
Don't sacrifice children to Molech (Lev. 20:1-5)
Don't commit adultery, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, etc. (Lev. 20:9-21)
You shall love your neighbour as yourself (Lev. 19:18).

The moral law of God is still in effect, and homosexuality is part of the moral law. So, the argument that we are not under the law fails to recognise the divisions of the law: civil, ceremonial, and moral.

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You are WRONGLY taught and you CONTINUED with that wrong teaching instead of u to be taught by the Holy Spirit. First of all, there is no such DIVIDING of the law into 3 categories. It is you law keepers that do such divisions. If you have a scripture making such 3 categories of divisions, show it to us. The law is a WHOLE ONE with many aspects and that's why a fail iin one is a fail in ALL.

2. The so called moral law u said is not expired is actually you promoting the 10 commandments and basically to Christians, that's heresy! You don't need the 10 commandments AS A CHRISTIAN TO BE MORAL......for example, Joseph didn't have thou shall not commit fornication or adultery before he flew Potiphar's wife....

Romans 2:14.......READ IT IN ALL TRANSLATIONS...... okay

OkCornel:
For a start, what was Paul referring to as the Law in his letters?


What Law was the Apostles and the early church debating about in Acts 15?

The Mosaic Law...

My brother, that man is law enforcement agent.....if you have energy, deal with him while I watch....lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFy-E-aeQic

Ndukings92:
Am opportune to be with friends today and one thing lead to another and we end up deliberating on this issue,I want to know what our Religious section have to say on this

Hope it wasn't the heresy of Chris Oyakhilome that led into the argument that led into this question? That man is confused to say the least! Women are part of God's original plan!

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now Goshen360, whether the fruit is metaphor or not metaphor, Adam did eat a frigging fruit, so aside from the promised and/or guaranteed death, what other main thing, in one word and preferrably supported with a scriptural verse, really did Adam gain or get, from eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Yes FOLYKAZE, Adam became a deity, as it were and so that's a fact and truth because man became god the moment soon after eating fruit, but aside from the reportedly gained morality, or the promised and/or guaranteed death, what other main thing, in one word and preferrably supported with a scriptural verse, really did Adam gain or get, from eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

If you know....share with US....lol....na u Sabi......I'm in my feeling now....it's weekend n I'm not in scripture mood, I'm in weekend mood....lol

MuttleyLaff:
Aside from the promised and/or guaranteed death, what other main thing, in one word, really did Adam gain or get from eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Please support replies with scriptural support, if able to.

There is a prize for the first correct answer

Adam did not EAT any FRUIT. Moses wasn't born yet when he described Genesis 1 so you have to trust God in the form of God who was before Genesis 1 to explain the fruit and eat etc....

What a man eats does not defile him.....Christ said so Adam could not have been defiled by just EATING....per say....it wasn't a fruit.

Just my two cents....lol