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providence338:
Okay. That's all I ask. If I'm in error, I'll humbly repent to God and ask forgiveness from anyone I might have led astray with the insistence of obeying God's laws. Including each and every one of you in this thread.

I don't know everything, but if I'm not rightly dividing the word, then someone please SHOW ME my error. Instead of "ignoring" me, accusing me of being "argumentative", or simply proclaiming I'm in error with no sufficient proof to back it up, I'm still waiting for someone to SHOW ME my error, as per the scriptures.

To rightly divide the word, is to understand scriptures IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT.
You need the Bible to interpret the Bible. It must interpret itself.
Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.

God's law, statues and commandments are discussed in virtually every book of the Bible. But I've noticed every single person who says the laws are "done away with" pull only from the writings of just Paul. Thus overlooking scriptures from Genesis (Gen 26:5) to Revelation (Rev 14:12) that clearly tell us to keep God's laws.

Paul's letters must be in agreement with the rest of scripture. For those who somehow think the OT doesn't count anymore, even the NT has many scriptures instructing us to keep the law. Including countless scriptures from Paul himself, whom you all say "did away with the law".

How can you say I'm not rightly dividing when I've used a body of scriptures to prove the existence of God's laws, yet you can only defend otherwise from ONE APOSTLE'S writings? Are you sure you're not guilty of the very thing you accuse me of?


Anywhoo, I don't blame you. I was under this deception myself. This is not a milk teaching. Go to God in prayer about this. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into ALL TRUTH regarding this matter. Holla back when you're ready.


Shalom.

I will try to discuss whenever I have the time AND ENERGY. OK.

Shalom

providence338:
Lol. Can't rebut the written word eh?

You don't ignore me -- but then written word of the Most High.

I'm not the one who said we should imitate Christ...the ultimate Law Keeper himself.

But no problem. Good day to you too. Blessings.

I can't even respond to you in your comment to me because, you are deep into this law thing and you're just jump quoting scriptures from left to right, from old to new WITHOUT RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.

I just don't have the energy right now to dismantle your errors but I believe I'll have time and energy someday. We can dig it out then.

Enjoy your errors, until then.

All these law keepers on this forum sef....una don start again. This law of a thing had been dismantled just like the subject of tithing to Christians.

OP, let me ask you this question:

Where was the 10 commandments WHEN JOSEPH FLEW FORNICATION to his master's wife? Where was THE LAW AND 10 COMMANDMENTS when Noah, Enoch walked upright before God? Where was the law and the 10 commandments before Abraham WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW OF MOSES.

I mean, was "thou shall not commit adultery/fornication" given then?

The better you understand that Christ IS THE END OF THE LAW....the better for you.

alBHAGDADI:
No, the church of Jesus Christ which is his body is a gathering of the saved, not the unsaved. Church is another word for congregation which is a gathering of God's people. It is not for the unsaved even though an unsaved person can walk in.

Jesus said we should go out there and get people saved. He didn't say we should bring them to church as unsaved people.

@bold

The church of Jesus is not for sinners. It is for the saved, his sheep who follow him. Take away entertainment from church and put in hardcore red hot preaching, you will see that the unsaved won't even go there. That's to show you that it is not for them. But because false prophets want money and they know that they can't scam a saved person, they apply entertainment which they use to attract unsaved people whom they are able to scam.

You are not making sense scripturally. You just said "even though unsaved can walk in". Unsaved can come to the Lord BUT THEY'RE NOT TO REMAIN UNSAVED. Christ said, an unsick person doesn't need no physician.

You can go ahead and show from scriptures that only the saved are in the Church of Jesus.

alBHAGDADI:
Church is not for the unsaved people. It is for people who are already saved and have eternal life which means they can never lose their salvation.

The saved people only go to Church so they can learn how to live their lives according to the Bible. You can't expect the pastor to keep repeating salvation message when they are already saved. What he does is teach them how to be a good husband, good wife, good child, good worker and also how to make disciples of all men.

But all these modern churches are only geered towards the unsaved people. That's why you see them with so much entertainment, purple lights atmosphere, disco, drama, all just to keep the unsaved entertained. But when it comes to the preaching, it is junk, just prosperity gospel. No message on obeying God's commandments to abstain from sin. They gather the unsaved together and scam them of their money

Some may ask: But how can you get the people saved if you don't apply entertainment to attract them to church?

Was that how Jesus got many people saved? Jesus didn't use entertainment. He simply sent his disciples out in twos to go preach to people. After they were saved, they all came to him to learn how to live their lives. That's when Jesus gave them sermons on how to love their neighbors and enemies etc.

But today, these fake pastors who don't believe in God don't care about soul winning. That's why instead of going out to win souls and bring them back to church, they simply set up a wonderful entertainment centre filled with sexy girls, handsome guys, music, dancing and everything necessary to attract a fleshy minded person .

The aim is to scam them of their money.

I agree with you on going out to win souls by evangelism. I also agree with you on wrong methods used by modern churches to entertain the unsaved BUT It is outright ERROR to say that the church of Jesus is NOT FOR THE UNSAVED. I don't understand or know where you got that ERROR from but that's unscriptural.

The church of Jesus is for SINNERS to come and BE SAVED!

Righteousness89:
The Earth and Everything on Earth belongs to GOD
There are Laid down Principles Given by GOD to Having The Blessings... Gen8:22...


Everyone who Practices the Principle is a candidate for the Blessings Irrespective of who you are..

As a Child GOD , we are at an Advantage...
The Blessing is Protected and Preserved as a Child of GOD

The Blessing is not by Struggle as a Child of GOD.. Matt 6:33

The Blessing comes with Guaranteed PEACE as a Child of GOD..

The Blessing adds no sorrow as a Child of GOD..Provb 10:22

The Blessing comes with Guarantee of Eternal Rest as A Child of GOD

Again all what you said is correct BUT....my point is, the fact that someone has Christ as Lord and Savior and believe as Christian DOESN'T mean he or she will be wealthy, or drive super wealthy cars etc according to your initial first comment.

Also, cars, wealth, etc ARE NOT THE BLESSINGS in Christ. If cars and wealth are the blessings, Atheist, Muslims, unbelievers have that too. Anyone APART FROM BEING A CHRISTIAN CAN BE WEALTHY, DRIVE EXPENSIVE CARS, BUILD MANSION etc.

That's my point!

Righteousness89:
Any Pastor whose Primary Message is not on GENUIE Salvation is a SCAMMER..

Why?

The Owner of The Church is JESUS CHRIST...

The Primary Purpose of The Owner of the Church ( JESUS CHRIST) is to Seek and Save The Lost...

Wealth , Good Health , Good Homes and Blessings are all Attached to Salvation, I.e Having JESUS CHRIST..


It's soooo Unfortunate at what we see in some places today in the name of Church...

Money! Money! Money! A lot of people have taken Acqusition of Money to Be Salvation...


Many People will Beat up Their pastors on the day of Rapture....

I agree on everything you said but disagree on the highlight above. Those things are not exclusive attached to having Christ. Unbelievers, unsaved, atheist, etc do have those things too without having Christ. So a believe MIGHT or MIGHT NOT have those those in Christ.

OpenYourEyes1:
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is.
There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

Romans 3:28 - 31

You make it look like the law is complimentary to faith AS REGARDS SALVATION of a man IN OR THROUGH CHRIST. How about you explain this:

New International Version
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."
Galatians 3:12

solite3:
not you I replied muttylaff

Sorry, wanted to reply MuttleyLaff too

MarjieJ98354:
This is why Americans including blacks support Trump.

1. Trump is true to himself. He is by no means perfect. You can call him a racist, sexist, xenophobic, or question his morality. As far as I'm concerned, everybody is racist or some type of "ist" at any given time. We live in a hateful world. You are bound to experience and spew hate at one point in your life. You also learn lessons from that hate. Immorality in your youth most often than not allow you to grow with understanding in your old age. And trust me, Trump is hardly as bad as his accusers!

2. There is really only one thing a president/government can do that is important to everyone. Give everyone an equal opportunity. I don't give a fuk who trump is fucking, hating, makes friends with, or what pussy he grabs. The only thing I need from Trump is a JOB THAT WILL PAY ALL THE BILLS AND GIVE ME a GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE. If a government cannot give me that; it is completely useless.

3. Americans do not want to continue to have the government spend our money on dumb shit like free everything by taxing everybody and supporting dumb interest like which bathrooms transgenders should use in Public.

My response to each paragraph:

1. Trump is NOT TRUE TO HIMSELF NEITHER TRUE TO THE AMERICAN SPIRIT AND VALUES. Trump is true to WHITE SUPREMACY and a sound from the white supremacists thinking America belongs to White. Do you think the White house was truly called white house just because of the color? Go back to the birther movement when Obama was in office, who started the birther movement? Obama went ahead to prove them wrong by showing his birth certificate. Why hasn't Trump shown his taxes? Why does a black man do something and get attacked or punished but a white man does the same and get away with it? Are you living in the same America that I live? Do you see the same double standard that I see? Lemme move on.....

1b. Everyone IS NOT RACIST. Like seriously �� �. How will someone like me given an opportunity to be a citizen of USA be a racist? I'm a Christian and doesn't hate no one, not even Trump but when he does racist things and make RACIST comments, we call his *ss out as it it...

2. So when a government gives you equal opportunities and turn around killing your kids as a black person, what is that? When a government gives you equal opportunities and turn around to devalue your black *ss, what is that? When they say we, all men are born equal and we hold this to be self evidence but out of the presidents of the USA only one was black and at that, they never supported him and they said they will work night and day for his failures....what is that? Equal opportunities on paper? You tell me what that is. Jobs have being always there BEFORE Trump cames AND WILL CONTINUE to be there after his *ss is voted out.

3. To the best of my knowledge, NOTHING IS FREE IN AMERICAN.... except the air. Everything is taxed FOR THE COMMON BENEFITS OF ALL. At most, everyone benefits from the taxes. I don't know what you talking about government tax people for free stuff....when the government say free stuff, it's not 100 free, if you think you get it free, you paying for it some type of way sooner or later....this is the system and how it works.

solite3:
which falsehood are you refuting?

I didn't say ME....I'm saying those refuting the falsehood of the so called organized church are being called rebels

Your #2 point was my exact thought even before I finished reading your article. Anyone not preaching the gospel of Christ is false. And preaching the gospel of Christ doesn't just mean you're mentioning Christ in your preaching. You said it all, the death, burial, ressurection, Ascension and the glory that followed...this is the finished works of to FOR THE BELIEVERS

I came to realize not all those who teaches or preaches falsehood are deliberate. Some are deliberate while some are handed over or passed down the line and these kinds just accepted what was passed down to them unverified.

You will find the common passing down falsehood in churches like DeeperLife, Rccg and Winners and the likes.... that's why falsehood spread so fast in Nigeria and the ones refuting those falsehood now in this age and time are being looked at as the rebels

What's wrong with this man?

I'm not really a fan of Coza nor their Pastor but looks like the RAPE ALLEGATIONS OR ACCUSATIONS IS NOT ADDING UP HERE:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sv1C4EHPd8

Elijahbazz:
aunty what are you saying gan.

this guy was a man of God when all this happened.
i don't care if it was rape or not but the guy engaged in some messy relationship.

Being accused of RAPE is a SCANDAL while being engaged in some messy relationship is IMMORAL....these are big different issues.

malvisguy212:
longest time Sir, trust you are alright. good to here from you again.

I'm fine my brother

malvisguy212:
longest time Sir, trust you are alright. good to here from you again.

I'm fine and just peep in every now and then

malvisguy212:
the Greek word for fervent is 'energeo ' which is energy in our English word, is like an electric current that bring energy to a circuit . it mean a persistent , heartfelt, passionate , bold aproach to God, Example is in Matthew 15:22:

Matthew 15:22, "And, behold, a woman of
Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried
unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord,
thou Son of David; my
daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."

this is a gentile woman, who comes for help, and what did Jesus do ? Jesus ignore her.


Matthew 15:23-26, "But he answered her not a
word. And his disciples came and besought him,
saying, SEND HER AWAY; FOR SHE CRIETH
AFTER US. But he answered and said, I am not
sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying,
Lord, HELP ME. But he answered and said, It is
not meet to take the children's bread, and to
cast it to dogs."

he ignored her, and secondly He insult her, “This is not for you, you dog! This is for the children. You Gentiles are not in that category of God's children.BUT SHE KEEP ON PRESSING ON:

Matthew 15:27, "And she said, Truth, Lord: yet
the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their
masters' table."

This woman continued to persist in the argument. And what happened?

Matthew 15:28, "Then Jesus answered and said
unto her, O woman, GREAT IS THY FAITH : be it
unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter
was made whole from that very hour."

What's he talking about? He's talking about her
boldness, her persistence, her drive, her energy,
her willingness to hang in there and not give up on her daughter's sake.

Cc Damdeyz

I have been here for years and I've seen religious people quote Bible verse as if ENGLISH interpret Bible....no it doesn't....HEBREW AND GREEK interpret Bible.... THANKS FOR THAT LITTLE EXEGESIS

OJODEL10:
if what you mean is outside church is okay

You making up a LAW where there's none....it says any man that PRAYS....so leave it at that....WHEN A MAN PRAYS....in church or anywhere....because you can pray in church or at home or in public etc....just when YOU PRAY.

OJODEL10:
cap wearing is not accepted. Even kings remove their caps when praying

How about WHEN HE'S NOT PRAYING?

People like the OP are just out there quoting and bastardizing the scriptures without understanding the language of the scriptures.

So if you can save yourself by "deeds of the law" why do you needed Christ come and be our SAVIOUR. Christ must have died in vain....

Yeye dey smell

Because they do not understand HIM WHO IS GREATER THAN SOLOMON.....He is here living in us now!

LordReed:
This is my hope too. Harris and Warren seem to have what it takes to challenge the current state of affairs and maybe even push for something better. I wish Bernie had run earlier than now, he would have made a good president I think.

100 percent truth. Part of the reasons Hilary lost was conspiracy against Bernie at the primary and then the White & Black Bernie camp just didn't come out to vote and that's vote for Trump then. Even the Trump campaign that conducted various States poll admired Biden is stronger than Trump is key battleground States and so the only strong candidate Trump is afraid of now is Biden.

JeromeBlack:
He will be voted out. But if only Democrats put in a sensible candidate. Biden is just too old

I do not worry about Biden's age because him and Trump are around same age but I worry about who Biden picks as his vice should he win the primary nomination. He's still the most favorite among Democrats for now. I hope he picks Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren as his vice if he wins the primary.

UceeGod:
You're right but let's not forget the role of FAITH. According to Romans 6:11, the only reason we have the power to subdue the flesh daily is because Christ has destroyed the power of SIN for us on the CROSS, so we are dead to SIN - the flesh no longer has dominion over us (Romans 6:14). Having this FAITH in Christ's finished work is the beginning of experiencing victory over SIN.

Whenever or wherever you read the word "sin" or "sins" in the scripture or our word of faith, try to understand through context which or what is meant because it's sometimes used as nature (noun) or as action (verb). The Greek concordance will also help. What was meant in the original is what it will mean to us today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDliWuhStJQ

This is pathetic

JeromeBlack:
Donald Trump recently started his 2020 campaign

And we're watching that futile FL rally as if it was 2016 again. That child in the white house still going after Hilary as if she's his opponent. What a pity, 2020 fiery campaign rally with nothing new in agenda except same lies and dummy comments!

Trump, being in office has become a threat and disaster to this Democracy and American values. He should be and will be voted out come 2020!

The SEED is the WORD OF GOD

Righteousness89:
What Exactly are you talking about? I don't seem to understand ..

All our Holiness are Filthy Rags before GOD ALMIGHTY...

There is no Day That Passes that I personally do not ask GOD for Mercy and Forgiveness..

Righteousness89:
[s][/s]
I was a Member of DLBC for over 20 Years.. DLBC has never said u should not Transmit blood...
don't spread lies...

Holiness without which no eyes will see the LORD..




The Core doctrine of the Church is still in place ..

Holiness without which no eyes will see the LORD..

The Only difference today is that of the Tv..and Pastor Kumuyi Ministering in other Churches

Sooooo, I asked

Goshen360:
Brother, don't just okay sir me o....

I asked a question, please respond....you know, when you're taught the word, I don't care by which pastor, you're suppose to go back and check what he taught you. So what does Holiness mean? Does it mean sinlessness?

Righteousness89:
Ok Sir

Brother, don't just okay sir me o....

I asked a question, please respond....you know, when you're taught the word, I don't care by which pastor, you're suppose to go back and check what he taught you. So what does Holiness mean? Does it mean sinlessness?

Righteousness89:
[s][/s]
I was a Member of DLBC for over 20 Years.. DLBC has never said u should not Transmit blood...
don't spread lies...

Holiness without which no eyes will see the LORD..




The Core doctrine of the Church is still in place ..

Holiness without which no eyes will see the LORD..

The Only difference today is that of the Tv..and Pastor Kumuyi Ministering in other Churches

What is Holiness? Sinlessness? If your G.O is still asking for forgiveness of sins, it simply means the 'so called' Holiness he teaches is ERROR!

I agree completely with the OP. In some places, devil spoke and it was recorded in the Bible. Men spoke and it was recorded. Angels and demons spoke and it was recorded. So, what do we do? We RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word.