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Who amongst these four prominent Pastors in Nigeria is closer to the truth on tithing and who's in error on tithing?

Where are the RCCG Pastors and members?

The answer to your question is in the question itself because you asked... BEFORE THE LAW OF MOSES...so it was, they lived by the Grace of God BEFORE the law of Moses....and Paul the Apostle made that clear too.

alBHAGDADI:
Look at one the anti-tithe doctrine people here talking about THIRD EYE, an occultic thing.

I only pity people getting deceived by you liars without knowing who you people truly are - Occults.

Me and you get fight before ni? Which cult u and me dey?

Horlufemi:
Prove it first. Then even still I would only tithe if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the church benefit from the donation brought to the Church. But prove it first that Pastors are Levites. The only Church system I recognize is that of the early apostles. Nothing more nothing less.

Then address 1-5

You don't understand what he wrote....read it again but this time read with the THIRD EYES AND LISTEN WITH THE THIRD EARS....ok

I'm beginning to suspect who this OP is.....but I'll find out soon...smh

soulpeppersoup:
No superior spiritual understanding is the requirement

Please make a more convincing debate from scripture and

2, Why do Pastor Adeboye makes it look like Sinlessness is the or a requirement for casting out demons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF6EBU9f_QU

Please, debate this topic with scriptures.

Thank you!

When a man does he should be given credit for his good gesture.....can I get an Amen?

OLAADEGBU:
Show me how what I said is different from what is posted here or forever hold your horses.

It's new year.....I won't start it by go digging out your past.....

One of the dangers of practices like this in OP video is similar to what was going among the Collossians church when some false teachers was introducing different kinds of rituals into the church and hereby making the finished works of Christ null and void.

Paul the Apostle wrote to the church:

You have been made COMPLETE IN CHRIST....col. 2vs10

In other words, THE FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST IS ENOUGH FOR YOU....it was the perfect sacrifice and that's why it was said to be finished!

When you start to see this kinds of practices in the church of Christ, it is not different from you visiting a witch doctor and he gives you something to use or rather he could use something on you.

Stand therefore in the liberty wherein Christ had made you free!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIqm4Ru_wdU

I will speak extensively on the danger of this kind of Practices in Christianity today in the next post. Enjoy the video and more relevant videos to follow later

OLAADEGBU:
How is what I posted different from what I had said in the past? If so please bring it up? Happy New Year.

Happy New year. You have always argued for the Mosaic law in the past as though it is still applicable to us as Christians and you know we had heated debate or conversation before in the past

If Goshen and the likes says it to YOU, the OP, then it's unacceptable because you had argued us down in the past about how to and how not to use the law of Moses.....

Now, your idols said, all of a sudden it becomes a topic we want to talk about and discuss....smh! I hope you'll act right in 2019....lol

There is a DIFFERENCE between sin (noun, as in the sin nature) and sinS ( as in a verb).

Study the word and your eyes of understanding be opened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4hRE73b5rs

CodeTemplar:
God bless you. The guy you are replying belongs to small and inconsequential group of radical, rebellious and ignorant believer who want to turn the church into MMM or thrift society (osusu) system.

He has forgotten that as a believer he is suppose to give with faith and expect his reward from God and not Oyedepo or Adeboye. He doesn't realize the the reason Abel had a more excellent sacrifice above Cain was faith (Hebrews 11:4). And that explains why he is always tracking what his inconsequential offering and seed is being used for on social media.

God bless you for that revealing post.

Young man, let me tell you something:

Faith is not stupidity and both don't walk side by side.

Ranchhoddas:
We must be fair in our criticism. Even if we want to say they collect tithes and offerings to fund their projects, one thing we can't take away from Winners is that they run it it well.
The monies are use judiciously and for that we must commend and even imitate them.
If all the money government gets is used the way Winners use theirs Naija for don go far well well.

@OP how can you say the estate is the size of Abakaliki. Which kind lie be that?

Thank you, this to me is fair criticism and again I do appreciate the man's input to the community but my simple criticism is, if a greater percentage that are willing to attend the university or rent these housing can't do so, it's unfair to me.... diehard Oyedepo defendants can say all they want to say....

CodeTemplar:
Do you pay tax at all or have heard of tax before?

Why won't I know about tax? Is taxation effectively being practice in nigeria? Do YOU pay INDIVIDUAL tax? If you do, how do you get your REFUND after filling income tax yearly? Is taxation the SAME AS tithes? Again I can see your diehard defense to DOMI but keep it up.... hopefully he or God will reward you.

CodeTemplar:
You are being delusional with your demands. Show us one church or ministry that takes token as tithes and then uses it to provide expensive service to all members.
If you know any poor person trying to get admitted to that school please tell them about the scholarship and stop the ignorance.

Why will I show you if all of the churches are practicing the same thing I stand to criticize? It looks like you lost the basis of the argument. Smh! Typical Oyedepo diehard followers.

CodeTemplar:
Point of correction. He manages what the members entrust in him. has he ever threatened anyone for money? Never.

You keep on regurgitating your weak and redundant argument about all members not being able to afford the school. I asked you in return, can all citizens afford the federal universities of the govt they pay tax to also? Even as heavily subsidized as the schools are (30-50k of fees) many still can't afford them.
Another important question or factor you purposely fail to consider is " was the school established to meet the schooling needs of every member's children and ward? " Never. It wasn't. So why should the church try to accommodate all members children simultaneously?

I have challenged you severally. show me any church that does that.
Show me any church that receives less than N100k in tithes and offering from a particular family all through the year then flips it around into a N600k - N850k of school fee subsidy for 2 or 3 children from that same family? Please show me where this your almighty MMM formula is working. I am waiting for you. come at me with facts or just take it easy.

I really hate to continue arguing with you because you're not catching the basis of my argument.... let me do this since you keep equating covenant university with other government high fee , let me ask you.....UNLIKE OYEDEPO....since you agreed the money comes from various sources including members tithe and offerings and Shiloh sacrifice etc.....who are the subsidized government institution COLLECTING TITHE AND OFFERING from to run or operate the institution?

I won't quote the whole post of generationz and my regular friend on this discussion, codetempler because that will be too much responding to each of you one by one and line by line.

However, I understand it's difficult to separate a die loyalist of you guys Oyedepo from if anyone criticize him fairly but some of don't know me like I said earlier, I have been part of the winners churches and mentioned names and also part of the administration of the badagry branch before moving to the United States. I have nothing against Oyedepo as a person I'm simply against his system of operations from my understanding of the word of God.

You can disagree ffrom your perspective and I disagree from my perspective. There is no such practice where monies are taken from millions of people and committed into project that are still not AFFORDABLE to vast majority of the people.

One person said tithe was taken for one year and does that make up good money to be enough....listen, who's talking about one year tithes being collected. You know in your heart that people have being paying Tithe into that system for years and not to talk of offering and Shiloh sacrifice are also seed sowing in case you forgot to mention that too.

If you guys can't see past your nose, we that does will sure speak up at every given time and I'm not afraid to criticize Oyedepo and these systems that are used under the non profit organization.

asuustrike1:
And who told you he doesn't give scholarship?

I NEVER argued that.... follow the thread and just don't jump in.... okay.

Dencotext:
Ahahaha this bobo dey fear tithing like say na ojuju...see how e dey call am, "FIXED LEGALISTIC 10 PERCENTAGE"! So we way dey tithe we no be givers bah? Na legalistic dogmatic irrelevant religious ritual creed we just dey observe bah? Make me too speak big grammar here.

Oga Ade, follow the argument and contribute meaningfully. Okay.

The argument here is the OP claiming BECAUSE he tithe, he's being able to secure better things in life such as better exam grades, good health, success etc etc....but my rebrutal is, are there no people in life that don't tithe and still achieve these same BETTER THINGS IN LIFE OR EVEN MORE?

If there are people that doesn't tithe but still achieve same better things in life, what is it working for those kind of people? I think the OP was calling it luck or so....so evidently if he agrees it is luck working for those people, then you can't conclude tithe is a UNIVERSAL TRUTH THAT WORKS EVERYWHERE ANYTIME to give someone good health, better grades and success etc

CodeTemplar:
See you.
If Oyedepo goes home to be with the good Lord and hands over to his son, it is a question of whether God has ordained his son to take over.
Even if God chooses a former Fulani herdsman as the new leader it is up to the followers to watch out for the signs of of a true apostle in him.

As for the funding of the school, the money comes from various source including private individuals.

All the big grammar you've been dropping since since, see how you EASILY MADE MY POINT since the argument back and forth....THIS IS A UNIVERSAL FACT AND TRUTH.... Oyedepo collects from the CHURCH MEMBERS ALL OVER THE BRANCH NETWORKS.... including remit all TITHE to headquarters and these are the sources of universities and housing estate found BUT HOW IS IT AVERAGE INDIVIDUALS OR EVEN ALL MEMBERS CANT AFFORD THESE UNIVERSITY OR WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD THESE HOUSING ....if they have been contributing or paying tithes into the ministry for years....if you don't get my angle I'm criticizing this practice from by this time, I conclude your are one of Oyedepo loyalist and I am not.

2. As for the handing over to his son, it's NOT A MATTER of if God says his son will take over or not....it's how things are being lined up IN OUR EYES AND THE SIGNS ARE THERE....It's also on record here on nairaland....I sincerely hope I can find the thread where Oyedepo has said when he dies, his son will take over.... that's when I left the church then.... again i was a member of winners at the badagry branch and the information I do know ....you will be amazed but I'm not spilling nothing out here.

Who then is subsiding winner universities and where money coming from to expand to the next university and now the housing estate? You can keep on defending fraud....it doesn't make no difference, everyone knows what's going on and btw, if Oyedepo dies and hand over all the businesses to his son and we speak out against him, you will still be here defending him.

CodeTemplar:
I am waiting for your ignorant áss.
It has been long since i intellectually raped an intellectual like you. I count this as a service to God in advance.

I strongly suspect you are a bricklayer or casual laborer in that project and just managed to snap that pics with your barely-camera phone. If not you won't be demanding funny freebies from a church when your govt still has a face.

Let's understand something, if we're gonna have conversation we gonna talk like ADULTS AND YOU GONNA COME WITH RESPECT while I do same but if you gonna claim a Christian and act thogery, I can decide what to do....okay.

Do you know me and my background to insinuate am a bricklayer or casual labourer? And btw, even if I am, what's wrong with that? Is bricklayer or casual labourer not human being? Stop displaying your thogery online and btw u not doing this as service to God bit in defense of Oyedepo who had brainwashed people like you and enslaved you mentally.

Be respectful

CodeTemplar:
I can see your early attempt at dodging my questions about other churches doing same by asking me question that are irrelevant in return. Let me still give you answer.
Go and check or google "theoyedepofoundation scholarship" and see what it entails. As for the exact figure or percentage of winners member in the church's schools, I can't give you an answer because the school doesn't discriminate or ask for such details when admitting. I know that for sure.


So I am waiting for your own answer as regards church owned schools that are subsidized heavily to point of affordability for all members and runs well enough to have reputation.

I'm NEVER scared to answer your question (s) whichever way. Now, to answer your question, the same way I'm jumping winners now and I had critized other same Churches who collect money from all kinds of members AND DO NOT PAY TAXES BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS " NON PROFIT" organization BUT THE MONEY COLLECTED FROM NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION are used to build these instructions that AREN'T STILL AFFORDABLE TO MOST MEMBERS....I'm jumping on winners now as I have jumped other churches too in the past and this is wickedness in our society

2. I'm not in anyway disputing the scholarships as I'm aware of that. I was onced a winners member and I can give you inner details about winners and their scams. I'm talking about reasonable affordability to both the new housing as I hope and the non affordable universities.

3. I'm not running those universities but here's my submission....if the so called subsidies are still not AFFORDABLE...the truth is there's nothing subsized. And btw, if PROFIT are not made, how do you expand more on businesses if Oyedepo claims they don't profit off the first university to build another one....THINK MAN, THINK AND STOP YOUR MENTAL SLAVERY.

CodeTemplar:
Oga winners does not force people to pay their money there. The government is there taking tax from you forcefully. pay your offering to the government then take them to court if you don't get admitted to a public because you could raise enough to pay the fees.
Show me a church owned or run university that works that way and satisfies all members. I am waiting.

Let me get done driving and handle you on this.... okay

CodeTemplar:
Stop spreading falsehood. There are poor folks in that school. there are robust scholarship schemes in place for those brilliant enough and proven member that are unfortunate to be orphaned.
You talk as if poverty is a thing that is planned or a thing that can be insured in such way that if you ever make money, the insurer pays you heavily.
Stop spreading falsehood sir.

How much is the school fees in the university AND HOW MANY PERCENTAGE OF MEMBERS CAN AFFORD THAT FEES....give us figures and let's see who's spreading falsehood and who's inconsiderate