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Boomark: Christian Association of Nairaland(CAN), please let us hold a meeting.

Focus:
1 to choose btw Goshon and Anony.
2 to bind every atheistic spirit hovering around this section(including their mosquito).

That tiny thing has grown wings.

6. The Practice of Praying with Rosary, Holy Mary and Candle.

The New Testament believers have a powerful force in the name of Jesus. One of the riches of the New Testament is that even Christ didn't have the priviledge of saying, "in the name of Jesus". The Apostles never lacked anything when Christ was physically with them simply because he is Immanuel - God with us. The Christian mandate began with "Go ye into the world.....in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". The Apostles understood the power in this mandate and hence mixed with faith and it produced results.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Therefore God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

How did Christ's name became highly exalted but wasn't used by the Apostle before the death of Christ? It was by the power of resurrection. After the resurrection, Peter healing the lame man at the gate never had to contour to rosary prayer, white or red candle to heal the man, he did say and never said at the name of Holy Mary mother of God but Peter said,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. - Acts 3:6

Faith in the name that is highly exalted work wonders. Do you know what it was called "ACTS OF THE APOSTLES" Because all manners of supernatural happened by the Apostles with faith in the name of Jesus. Acts of the Apostles was ONLY and could ONLY be accomplished by the name of Jesus. Today's Christianity and churchianity will only wrath the kinds of wonders in Acts of the Apostles ONLY by the name of Jesus, not Holy Mary and rosary, not white or red or blue or yellow candle.

Lastly, just as John 3:16 rings a bell to the world of sin; much more is Acts 3:16 to the believers - it is not just shouting the name in a religious manner but faith in the name of Jesus.

New International Version (©1984)
By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see. - Acts 3:16

Hey! Crazyman,

It wasn't a thread or video to blaspheme.....it was a comedy movie to make us laugh. Did you watch the video:

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Watch the video, you will laugh to stand still.....

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King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who his own self bore our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed. - 1 Peter 2:24

ATMC: you gat mail

Yes dearest. I will reply accordingly.

ATMC: i just love you! compliments of d

Sure it's a long time. How body naw? Nothing I go do now than to return holy kiss to you naw and brotherly/sisterly hug before some people come start dey say holy kiss na Jewish culture. Anyway, try send me email sha.

^^^ Great and right on point! You can now sleep well with peace of mind...... . Thank you.

Great thread and points. How then do we know them by their fruits? For me, I will TEST the fruit of such Christian sister. And please don't give me that ugly look when I said I will test the fruit - I simply mean, I will try all the fruits of her Christian characters to see if they are true or masqueraded.....

^^^ I got the answer there but I'm just asking.....Was it Apostle Paul who gave the handkerchief or the people touched the body of Apostle Paul as an act of faith? What was it

CrazyMan: You know I've always referred to you as buzugee's reincarnation...I know I'm not wrong.

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You're wrong bro! Back to the kweshion....Did Apostle Paul gave handkerchief and aprons to the folks

CrazyMan: What's your point?

#SmilesOnMyFace....bro....

^^^ But it wasn't Paul that gave the people handkerchief and aprons right

^^^ If such is symbolic, what then is the reality, fulfillment and substance in the New Testament

@ God's-Word,

Okay le'me spoil market for you now..... . But I perceive you are just joking around anyway. Just in case you are serious, tithing ended here:

Hebrews 7
Amplified Bible (AMP)

1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem [and] priest of the Most High God, met Abraham as he returned from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

2 And Abraham gave to him a tenth portion of all [the spoil]. He is primarily, as his name when translated indicates, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, which means king of peace.

3 Without [record of] father or mother or ancestral line, neither with beginning of days nor ending of life, but, resembling the Son of God, he continues to be a priest without interruption and without successor.

4 Now observe and consider how great [a personage] this was to whom even Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth [the topmost or the pick of the heap] of the spoils.

5 And it is true that those descendants of Levi who are charged with the priestly office are commanded in the Law to take tithes from the people—which means, from their brethren—though these have descended from Abraham.

6 But this person who has not their Levitical ancestry received tithes from Abraham [himself] and blessed him who possessed the promises [of God].

7 Yet it is beyond all contradiction that it is the lesser person who is blessed by the greater one.

8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].

9 A person might even say that Levi [the father of the priestly tribe] himself, who received tithes (the tenth), paid tithes through Abraham,

10 For he was still in the loins of his forefather [Abraham] when Melchizedek met him [Abraham].

11 Now if perfection (a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper) had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood—for under it the people were given the Law—why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, one after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed after the order and rank of Aaron?

12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity an alteration of the law [concerning the priesthood] as well.

13 For the One of Whom these things are said belonged [not to the priestly line but] to another tribe, no member of which has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is obvious that our Lord sprang from the tribe of Judah, and Moses mentioned nothing about priests in connection with that tribe.

15 And this becomes more plainly evident when another Priest arises Who bears the likeness of Melchizedek,

16 Who has been constituted a Priest, not on the basis of a bodily legal requirement [an externally imposed command concerning His physical ancestry], but on the basis of the power of an endless and indestructible Life.

17 For it is witnessed of Him, You are a Priest forever after the order (with the rank) of Melchizedek.

18 So a previous physical regulation and command is cancelled because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness—

19 For the Law never made anything perfect—but instead a better hope is introduced through which we [now] come close to God.

20 And it was not without the taking of an oath [that Christ was made Priest].

Crystal Clear isn’t it? In same context, verse 5 says, "are commanded in the Law to take tithes from the people" meaning there is commandment to take tithe. In verse 18, it says "So a previous physical regulation and command is cancelled".

You mean to tell us that as the command is cancelled, it doesn't include tithe and yet, verse 5 specifically says they have a commandment to take tithe. It doesn't answer to the truth of the word. The command(ment) that is cancelled is not only limited to tithe but also includes tithe. It is all cancelled! Tithing doesn't make anyone rich. It is hardwork, diligent and prayer wherein the scripture calls "work plus faith" that makes one rich. Tithing had ended in the NT. None of the early Christian nor the Apostles tithed in order to be rich. They all worked hard and supported one another.

debosky: I do not subscribe to such a narrow view - there are many things the apostles were not recorded as doing, such as collectively owning the building where they met together to worship - is that wrong? The principle is what we should examine.

In principle, making collections (be it 10, 20 or 100%) for a central office/person to use on behalf of the congregation is scriptural - Paul requested such collections to be made and the people voluntarily made it. As long as it isn't imposed/forced on people, it is ok. What we need is more transparency from our churches.



It's high time Christians took responsibility for themselves - if your congregation is acting in a way you do not agree with, then speak up about it/leave - don't be dogmatic in everything.

In many cases it's simply two parts of the body supporting each other - the HQ supports the local churches - setting up costs, sunday school books, teaching material, devotionals, conventions etc. so it's only natural the branches support in return as members of one body. I agree that opening up of branches purely for feeding cash back to the centre is wrong.

We can discuss this separately if you wish and I don't mean to derail your thread, so please continue your edifying teaching.

Thank you my brother. As I always say, you are one of my beloved on this forum I we enjoy the Spirit of fellowship. Somethings I have a strong message but communicating my point bothers me at times. We both agree that central can support the local branches and vice versa but what we don't agree is this from your point,

debosky: I agree that opening up of branches purely for feeding cash back to the centre central is wrong.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Any bible student will read/study Apostle Paul collecting money is it were from one church to support another. This we cannot speak against as it is a common practice among the New Testament believers. What scriptures don't support and neither practiced among the Apostles is telling ALL Churches/branches established to remit all tithes to headquarters and leaving these branches to little or nothing to survive their expenses. I cannot judge motives as it is against scriptures but what we see these days is that these branches are established as collection centers. I speak from the angle of the word, I do not see such practices among the Apostles aside each supporting one another.

Also, I do not have such issues with my church. I had been a strong member in RCCG when I schooled at Federal Polytechnic, Offa. My brother, I know how things are done in RCCG and I'm not saying this because of RCCG alone (I only mentioned RCCG as an example to illustrate the point). Many churches especially in Nigeria are doing same. The Pentecostal Church I used to attend back then in Lagos at Old Ojo road are into same practices copied from RCCG when they started to open church branches. There should be decentralization of system and liberty to believers even though we support one another - central to local and vice versa.

JeSoul: You should know I have nothing to do with >90% of the 'christian' threads that make the homepage. The supermods scan all sections and pick threads they want. And we all know that controversy sells - hence why fiery topics always make it on, simple rule of advertising.

Occasionally I submit a thread to them for consideration - but I refrain most times from submitting good, quality ones like these because the influx of juvenile 'home-page' posters tends to ruin good topics. Quantity is not necessarily quality. It is better to wait for the thread to develop (Goshen to finish his series) and then submit it.

Cheers bro.

Exactly my thought. It skipped my mind, I had wanted to reply with same thought. Thank you my dearest sister. However, I cannot mention all the non-apostolic practices. I will only mention few I had observed over the years. I think I should have two or three more from my list. Anybody is free to contribute and let others test the spirit. I will let you know when I'm done! Thank you.

debosky: Firstly, I'm not sure this is completely accurate, especially for parishes outside Nigeria, but I won't focus on this case and instead will talk about the principle.

If a 'parish' was 'established' with the principle that it would remit all tithes back to the HQ, and the members agree to this, then it isn't control/manipulation in my view. The key here is how the decision to remit funds is reached and the willingness of members of the fellowship to adhere to such decisions.

As no one is compelled to be a pastor/church member in RCCG or any other church group for that matter, individuals who are not in agreement with this centralised pooling of funds, they are free to fellowship where they have independence in their finances.

I agree the Apostles didn't follow the organisational structure/funding arrangements seen today, but that doesn't make it necessarily wrong.

I'm just wary of imposing my personal view on others - if others choose to pool their funds, so be it.

On the highlight,

Since you agree we do not have such Apostolic practices, then I think it will be wrong for us practicing such. These Apostles are the examples for the New Testament church. I do not want you look at it from the angel "maybe" I'm trying to force my "personal opinion" on folks. The issue is whatever is not enlisted in our constitution (The Bible) and especially when we do not have such examples from men that first walked with Christ and wrote to, preserving the faith by the Holy Spirit, we should be careful doing contrary to scriptural examples.

Second, the issue is not whether the parishes agree to the terms to remit all tithes to headquarter or not. Off course, they will not disobey authority(ies) but what the authority does is unscriptural. It is not the members who agrees but the pastor installed follows whatever comes from the headquarter. As you know very well, the members are taught to just pay the tithe and forget how the money is being managed. I won't like to mix things up here. Please understand it is not the money now but the practice of opening a church branch for the purpose of feeding the headquarter or mother church. This is no where found among the Apostle. It is an evil I have seen in the body of Christ.

I'm going to use this thread as a reference when I teach on the next NON-Apostolic practices in the body of Christ. This is a great thread. We (New Testament) Christians must understand our wealth (I don't mean money now) in Christ. Every believer that study the book of Ephesians will understand how blessed he or she is in Christ Jesus. All these non-apostolic practices must be fought to stand still in the body of Christ.

5. The practice of selling/buying prayer clothes; handkerchief; anointing oil and mantle.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

New International Version (©1984)
so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.

New Living Translation (©2007)
When handkerchiefs or aprons that had merely touched his skin were placed on sick people, they were healed of their diseases, and evil spirits were expelled. - Acts 19:12

This is one of the most controversial practices in the body of Christ today. Many Christian confuse and don't understand what this passage of scripture is talking about and hence allow themselves to be deceived and some to the point of paying for anointed handkerchiefs, mantle, prayer clothes and anointing oil.

The truth is, the Apostle NEVER gave anyone anointed materials, mantle, oil and prayer clothes. The devil has so much invaded the church and we are so weak and don't even understand how much God had put in us.

The scripture in Acts 19:12 is a replicate of the woman with the issue of blood. Before the act of faith with this woman, no one had ever thought of touching the cloth of Jesus to get heal. Faith is supernatural force that can operate in any dimension in the life of those who possess it. Let me take you on a journey in the Spirit so we can understand what happened in Acts 19:12.

Say like Apostle Paul was having a crusade and many people attended and their sick ones left at home. The power of God was so strong on the Apostle to the point it generated faith in the people that were physically present on the crusade ground. Some of them that had sick ones at home then used their scarf (head tie), some handkerchief, some aprons etc and touched the body of Apostle Paul and took those material back home in the Spirit of faith that gave them such idea, as they laid those materials on their sick ones, they became whole.

Many Christians don't understand that when someone gives you some to go use at home or somewhere, that is not faith. Such faith is on the materials given to you. Faith is what is generated within a person by him or herself. God is not babalawo (herbalist) that give you something to go use at home. When the unction of the Holy Spirit moves, anything can happen in the arena of faith. This is not put God in a box as to His operation but the Apostle were NOT the ones giving aprons, mantles, handkerchiefs and anointed oil to people, it was the people by themselves that was prompted in faith to do such. This is what the miraculous faith does for believers.

Today, we see some preachers selling aprons, handkerchiefs, anointed oil and mantles to Christians as they manipulate some Christians with Acts 19:12. To top it up, the KJV of the bible is not helping the matter. When you read such verse from many other translation, you will understand it wasn't the Apostle that gave the believers such materials but it was done in an act of faith by the people themselves. Stop paying for mantles, anointed oil, handkerchiefs, prayer clothes and aprons.

debosky: I disagree with this - while it is not right to control and manipulate people/local congregations, there is nothing wrong in a group of churches deciding to support a 'central' church body with their offerings or looking to such a 'central' body for guidance. The elders in Jerusalem provided guidance to other churches as described in Acts 15. Paul did make collections from a variety of churches to support a need in Jerusalem.

The key here is manipulation and control - as long as there is willing submission to the authority of a central body and there is no manipulation involved, churches are permitted to organize themselves as they deem fit, as long as this does not contradict the Word of God.

Brother debosky.....welcome on board! Aside manipulation and control. There is a practice going on in the body of Christ that I tried to point out in the third point. The issue of support to the "central" church (if or when in need) is sharing among believers then. That is not what I'm talking about. Let me spill it out with this plain example among one of the big organization in Nigeria today. I illustrate with the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG). I don't mean no offense by calling names as it is not only RCCG that does what I'm about to say.

The RCCG commands ALL their branches to remit ALL tithes to the headquarters without a single dime left to the parishes to fund their expenses. As you can see, this is no longer the case of supporting the "central" church but a case of control, law and bondage. There is a centralized system in operation that has taken away the freedom of believers. Yes, the branches can "support" the "central" when in need and vice versa but when it becomes a "must" on all time basis. We do not have such practices among the Apostles. I don't know if I'm communicating well but I'm trying to put it in the best way I can.

@ Mr Anony, thanks for the contribution. I wasn't actually going to name the whole non-apostolic practices by myself as I cannot list them all by myself. I can only list the ones I know. Hence, yours is a great contribution. Thank you.

An extension to practice number 2 of this thread. See this thread

4. The Practice of bathing in the beach and/or river and whipping a demon possessed for deliverance

English Standard Version (©2001)
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word. - Ephesians 5:25-26.

This practice is often common among the white garment churches in the body of Christ. Never did we read the Apostles taking any new convert or any demon possessed to the beach at night or to the stream for bathing for the purpose of conducting deliverance. No demon possessed was ever whipped by any of the Apostles.

Perhaps those who practice such still put their faith in the OT where Naman was told to go bath in river Jordan. The truth of this act is simply a foreshadow of baptism and cleaning by the water of the word of God. Those who go to bath in the river and beach at night for deliverance without the cleansing from the water of word of God still find themselves falling to the devil in the days of battle. When the word of God was spoken by the man of God to Naman in the OT, it was the rhema of the word at that time, it wasn't to be a NT practices and none of Apostles practiced such neither did the new testament church practiced such.

There is no amount of beach bathing, river bathing and whipping that will deliver a demon possessed but the power in the name of Jesus. There is a name given to us that is mighty through the pulling down of stronghold. That name is Jesus Christ. The OT prophets came and said, "Thus saith the Lord". When Jesus came, he cannot say "Thus saith the Lord" because he is the Lord that the prophets of old spoke about. After Jesus died and lives having given us a name above all names, the Apostles said, "In the name of Jesus". When Peter saw the lame man at the gate, he didn't whip him in order to get healed, he didn't take him to the river or beach to bath, he said;

New Living Translation (©2007)
But Peter said, "I don't have any silver or gold for you. But I'll give you what I have. In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, get up and walk!" - Acts 3:6

[quote author=i.chuka]You are right,the devil is a defeated already,and we(christains) are victorious in Him already.
For These victory to be effective DAILY in our lives,we have to stand continually on the finished work of Calvary.Satan has to be remained constantly that he has been defeated 2000yrs ago.that is our only ground of victory and Satan's only ground of defeat.
Since we still wrestle against principalities and powers..Ephn6:12,our only hope in defeating/overcoming them is by the blood of the Lamb,the word of God,andy living a selfless life..Rev12:11.
We can't battle Satan and his agents without the blood,that's our only ground of victory.
And the Lord said unto Moses,yet will l bring one plague more upon Pharaoh and upon Egypt,afterward he will let you go hence....Exodus11:1.
Even God too has ONLY ONE plague that can completely destroy the works of Satan, the blood of the Lamb.without the blood God has nothing over Satan.
Satan is not afraid of our preaching the word,infact he can even preach the word more than some MOG's.he's only afraid of the sacrifice of Calvary been presented to him.[/quote]My dear brother, Ephesians 6:12 doesn't list the blood of Jesus among the weapons of our warfare. One thing I do in my study is that I ask question. I ask the Holy Spirit questions and if you do this often, you will be amazed how things will be revealed to you - try it. There is a always a reason for instructions. The blood of Christ, the bible says it was done ONCE and for all times. We are not the high priest but Christ. It is only the high priest that pleads the blood inside the tabernacle and Hebrews says Christ had entered the tabernacle and offered once and for all.

The foreshadow of this act in the OT is that, the OT priest offer and plead the blood repeatedly and yet, it doesn't do the things expected but in the case of Christ, it was done once and perfected forever.

@ Bidam,

If you pleaded the blood yesterday and spoke the word to plead the blood, why is the devil not defeated by the blood yesterday that you have to plead the same blood today and tomorrow again?

What you are probably missing from my teaching is, it not your/our repeated pleading the blood that overcomes the devil, it is the ONCE and for all pleading that was done by Christ. In the OT, it is only the High priest that pleads the blood in the tabernacle and no other person. Christ had become our high priest and intercedes on our behalf. He had already shed the blood that still speaks and alive.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For God's will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time. - Hebrews 10:10

Remember the life of the flesh (body) is in the blood. So the sacrifice of the body (flesh) of Christ is in his blood that was shed ONCE for ALL TIME.

New International Version (©1984)
The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. - Romans 6:10

Our victory over the devil is not in our pleading the blood because we are not the high priest. Our victory using the blood is our faith in what the high priest had done with the blood. If we pleaded the blood yesterday, there is no need pleading it today again if it worked defeating the devil yesterday when it was pleaded. It is an exercise in futility and you cannot find the apostles pleading the blood repeatedly and unending pleading.

3. The Practice of Church branches remitting all tithes and/or resources to the headquarters by controlling God's people.

New International Version (©1984)
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. - II Corinthians 3:17

Under the Apostolic move, many churches were planted by Apostle Paul but none of this churches planted ever had to remit tithe and collections to Jerusalem or Apostle Paul headquarters International. Such practices in today's end-time church is an anti-Christ practices. It is a witchcraft spirit of controlling and manipulations. The pastors are controlled from the headquarter church and have to take permission for virtually everything they had to do.

Yes, we have to obey them that have rule over us as Christians according to Hebrews 13:17 BUT those who have rule over us MUST NOT "LORD" over us according 1 Peter 5:3. They MUST NOT control God's people. There is liberty in Christ and we have been called to liberty but not to abuse our liberty. Apostle Paul often write and visited the churches he established in Christ but he never commanded all resources to himself nor to Jerusalem. Apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit will tutor a believer like Timothy to pastor a church and allow liberty of God's Spirit in their midst.

We do not see this kind of practices with the Apostles and scripture declares the Spirit of God is not in places where such practices are done. Any religious organization that takes away liberty and freedom is nothing but modern cult. Where is 100% of control, manipulations of resources to any headquarter church is a system of the occult in the name of God. Any church or religious organization that controls all resources e.g tithes and offerings of their branches; controls human activities in the church branches etc to any headquarters is practicing modern occult. Some even tell the branch pastors what messages to preach or what not to preach. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of liberty.

...to be continue

In the OT, it was those who don't bring the tithe that are God's robber. In the NT, it is those who take tithe from Christians that robs the temple because in the NT, Christian/believers are the temple of God's Spirit. Taking tithe from God's temple is robbing God's temple..... . I am a giver according to what I have and what I'm blessed with not according to tithing a fixed percentage according to the law. I have stopped tithing for more than a year now and I'm still blessed.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
God's divine power has given us everything we need for life and for godliness. This power was given to us through knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and integrity. - II Peter 1:3

You don't know what you have been given that is the reason you are trying to get rich by tithing and obviously, you don't know Christ. The divine power that gave us EVERYTHING we NEED FOR LIFE and GODLINESS was given THROUGH the KNOWLEDGE of Christ.

[quote author=i.chuka]And they(christains) overcame him by the BLOOD of the Lamb,by the word of their testimony;and they loved not their lives unto death..Rev12:11.
To say the Blood is no longer effective in the life of a christain means that the book of Revelation is in the past.[/quote]i.chuka, thank you for bringing this up. When I was a baby Christian back then in Lagos. In the prayer warrior, we often use this verse, Revelation 12:11 and we repeatedly plead the blood. What Revelation 12:11 is saying is that we (Christian) walk in the victory that had been done by the blood. You will agree that this very verse is a future event and yet, it says we overCAME (already done). It is not we pleading it time and time again that gave the victory, it is the lamb of God and that was done. Satan is already defeated, we only walk in the victory that Christ obtained for us by the blood.

Second, If you don't agree with what am saying, it's okay but let's look at it from another angle. If I plead the blood yesterday by faith to defeat the devil and his angels, it will mean they should be defeated or they are defeated when I pleaded the blood yesterday. While pleading the blood again today and tomorrow if the one pleaded yesterday worked.

When Jesus resurrected he said, "ALL powers in heaven and on earth had been given to me"....Long story short, Satan, his cohorts and the evils of the world had already being defeated and we don't defeat them by ourselves but THROUGH Christ, that is, through the victory that Christ had already done for us. We exercise and walk in that victory!

English Standard Version (©2001)
For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. - I John 5:4

Our faith in what? - In the finished work and victory of Christ. Christ obtained everything on our behalf. We walk in it by faith and Apostle Paul says, "we walk by faith, not by sight".

English Standard Version (©2001)
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. - I Corinthians 15:57

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
I write unto you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because you have known the Father. I John 2:13

^^^ Maybe I need to watch all over again then. Kindly point me/us to what error he was trynna correct and also ending in error. Thanks

Zikkyy: we don't need your type in our church. With peeps like you around here Pastor Goshen will not be able to acquire that private jet God revealed to him

As if you are in the spirit....my jet na tear rubber.....

RanchOwner: I will recommend to every student of the bible to read this book: 'Unlocking the Bible' by David Pawson

How do I get this book please? Hard copy please. Thanks

^^^ Yes, that was a bombshell. I have watched in since you uploaded it. The MoG started with a family that stopped going to church because he was promised harvest if he sow seed.....lolz. I have always told people that when a preacher tells them to sow seed, they should just carry mango seed, groundnut seed etc to such preacher....