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^^^ Okay bro. Thanks for bringing me to correction. ~Title Edited~

^^^ I used it to illustrate my teaching and exposition at the beginning but many missed it. Since I understand that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word.....I brought it up again. As people keep hearing and hearing, faith will be formed in them as much as we don't stop speaking the word. Thanks for your great contribution. It suddenly changed the tune of this exposition and thread. God bless you brother!

^^^ Okay. No vex. I apologize on behalf of Zikky, you hear....we are all humans.....but make you leaf this tithing for Christians alone.....it is not a sound doctrine, that's if you have really learnt one or two sound doctrine from RanchOwner..... . (No mind my yeye o, sometimes I can be a naughty boy you know) God bless you bro. Love you bro!

Bidam: are u after the praise of men? Ofcos i read books to enhance my understanding...and i believe u do too..paul understood by books..daniel also jus to mention a few..and as for zikky he is sounding logical in order to win an argument..not teachin in love..and dat to me is unchristian attitude cos he has recieved d praise of men..sorry, as far as am concerned tithing is scriptural and God validates it..end of story

Zikky is not taking praise from men. He teaches the truth of God's word and consistency is the bedrock for any sound teaching. You should know that not everything in the bible is for Christians just because it is written therein. The bible is written to 2 major groups but subsequently three. We are under a better covenant and our high priest don't demand tithe in order to bless us or as a per-requisite to bless us. When you understand this truth, you are free for you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. God bless you.

^^^ Seconded! Need we say more

^^^ Thank you bro. I saw your article on the tithe thread and joy filled my heart for the truth conveyed in your write up. In the latter days, knowledge will increase the scripture says. Keep doing the work and fighting the good fight. God bless you.

^^^ Thank you bro. You're most welcome. To unveil our unlimited riches and blessings beyond double portion, Ephesians is the book. My God, that book is mind blowing and deeper revelation.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

New Living Translation (©2007)
Now all glory to God, who is able, through his mighty power at work within us, to accomplish infinitely more than we might ask or think. - Ephesians 3:20

In Today's "Churchianity", we often hear the phrase "Double Portion" of this or that especially as it relates to anointing, oil and blessings. There's nothing like double portion anointing under the New Testament because we are under a better covenant. We are under a covenant that blesses beyond and without limited to only double portion. Many of us Christians don't know what we have being given under the NT; hence we run after the shadows thinking they are substance. Asking or going after a double portion is to limit God to only a "double" dose of blessing in your life.

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Good kweshion

What is Inbreeding when there is no law to break and consequently call it Inbreeding

Loving this thread. Bookmaked!

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For The Written Law is the worker of wrath, for where there is no Written Law, neither is there a violation of The Written Law.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The laws in Moses' Teachings bring about anger. But where laws don't exist, they can't be broken. Romans 4:15

You may also like this scripture also,

New International Version (©1984)
for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break. - Romans 5:13

Can you make anything out of these scriptures

Snowwy: No. The loan is not yours. You have to pay back.

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Chai, Brother Zikky don finish exposing Brother Bidam o. Chai! I love Image123 (not that I hate Bidam because we don't agree on this subject anyway) more that Bidam simply because, Image123 have proved himself to be grounded in the word "by himself" even though he hold on to tithe teaching for the NT Christians. I lost confidence in Bidam because he is NOT saying things he learnt but what someone told him or what he got from somewhere, that is why he is talking and contradicting himself - in the case, from a website. That is the reason he is talking different things and who knows what he will say next.

@ Image123, you still haven't answered my kweshion o. Please do.

@ Bidam, I see Zikky, BERNIMOORE and Plappville had replied you already. I will not bother anymore. You erred when you said Melchi=Jesus. Concerning your Heb.5 where you said Jesus was referred to as Melchi. We covered that aspect from the beginning of this exposition/thread. This is it,

1. The historic Melchizedek of Genesis 14 is a type and foreshadowing and not the person of Christ. If he were, it then means Christ lived on this earth before his virgin birth and that destroys the many teachings about Christ.

2. The Prophetic Melchizedek appeared in Psalm when David used the historic Melchizedek prophetically to give a future office of Christ. Under the prophetic, it is the "order" of historic Melchizedek that was prophesied and used, NOT the "person" of Melchizedek that Christ fulfilled.

3. The fulfilled Melchizedek is now Christ in the "order" of the prophetic Melchizedek from the Psalms, NOT from historic Melchizedek of Genesis 14. I mentioned that, for instance....Out of Egypt I have called my son - historically refers to National Israel coming out of Egypt BUT prophetically refers to and fulfilled in Christ.

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^^^ It's not me you should be asking that kweshion, it's Image123...he was that the first to comment on this thread and said, because the bible says so. I only helped to quote from a very clear translation and demanded the discussion should start.

@ Image123,

Let's "assume" and/or "agree" that the tenses of Hebrews 7:8 on your "receives/receiveth" and all that stuff is considered and/or ignored; WHO IS THE "HE" that "receive, receiveth, received" or whatever, Who is the "he" in that context or verse Melchizedek or Jesus

Bidam: 8. In the one case, the tenth is collectected by men who die(levi); but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living(christ). Connect that scripture with heb5:6 paul was clear on that: And he says you are a priest forever in the order of melchizedek.heb7:9. One might even say that levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,10. Because when melchizedek met Abraham, levi was still in the body of his ancestor. Summary:[size=20pt]melchizedek=Christ[/size](immortal and Spiritual).dispensation of Grace(spiritual jews). Men=Levi(mortal and earthly)under the law(jews).

This is your heresy exposed!

New International Version (©1984)
Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

New Living Translation (©2007)
There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors--no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God. Hebrews 7:3

Tell how Melchizedek = Jesus with the above verse

This thread is already on the front page, Lord! Okay, where is Image123 to discuss this subject since KJV had contributed so much to your confusion, ......I hope am not bullying this time,

Bidam: 8. In the one case, the tenth is collectected by men who die(levi); but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living(christ). Connect that scripture with heb5:6 paul was clear on that: And he says you are a priest forever in the order of melchizedek.heb7:9. One might even say that levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,10. Because when melchizedek met Abraham, levi was still in the body of his ancestor. Summary:melchizedek=Christ(immortal and Spiritual).dispensation of Grace(spiritual jews). Men=Levi(mortal and earthly)under the law(jews).

...make I go sleep first. When I wake up, I will respond...at least I don quote you already.....

Bidam: Levi, the fourth generation of abraham's family was connected through the tithe. This has great significance to the order of the church.(heb7:9). I have been shouting that out loud in my post but u choose to ignore it...remember i asked u whether u have a father? If u don't then you are not humble as u claimed to image in ur post. Our God is a God of Order...if anything, biblical tithing should speak of relationship and generation. To establish proper FATHER/SON order, ministeries as well as saints need to understand and practice biblical tithing.Tithing is not about organisation as u and goshen erroneously believe,it is about RELATIONSHIP. The natural act is a point of obedience connecting what is accomplished in Heaven and bringing it to pass in the earth..and thats why i call it a spiritual principle.

Zikky, thank you so very much for exposing the falsehood of Image123 and Bidam, comparing their post line by line. They contradict themselves while they think they are saying the same thing. I don't even know who among them is more confuse than the other..... .

For the purpose of our viewers, we, the anti-tithers for the NT Christians had been consistent from the beginning our other brothers are not even saying the same thing.

Lemme help this thread by quoting from a good translation before Image123 starts to accuse of using my knowledge and understanding to bully folks in here,

1 Corinthians 11

Amplified Bible (AMP)

11 Pattern yourselves after me [follow my example], as I imitate and follow Christ (the Messiah).

2 I appreciate and commend you because you always remember me in everything and keep firm possession of the traditions (the substance of my instructions), just as I have [verbally] passed them on to you.

3 But I want you to know and realize that Christ is the Head of every man, the head of a woman is her husband, and the Head of Christ is God.

4 Any man who prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, and comforts) with his head covered dishonors his Head (Christ).

5 And any woman who [publicly] prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, or comforts) when she is bareheaded dishonors her head (her husband); it is the same as [if her head were] shaved.

6 For if a woman will not wear [a head] covering, then she should cut off her hair too; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her head shorn or shaven, let her cover [her head].

7 For a man ought not to wear anything on his head [in church], for he is the image and [reflected] glory of God [[a]his function of government reflects the majesty of the divine Rule]; but woman is [the expression of] man’s glory (majesty, preeminence).

8 For man was not [created] from woman, but woman from man;

9 Neither was man created on account of or for the benefit of woman, but woman on account of and for the benefit of man.

10 [b]Therefore she should [be subject to his authority and should] have a covering on her head [as a token, a symbol, of her submission to authority, [c]that she may show reverence as do] the angels [and not displease them].

11 Nevertheless, in [the plan of] the Lord and from His point of view woman is not apart from and independent of man, nor is man aloof from and independent of woman;

12 For as woman was made from man, even so man is also born of woman; and all [whether male or female go forth] from God [as their Author].

13 Consider for yourselves; is it proper and decent [according to your customs] for a woman to offer prayer to God [publicly] with her head uncovered?

14 Does not [d]the native sense of propriety (experience, common sense, reason) itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is a dishonor [humiliating and degrading] to him,

15 But if a woman has long hair, it is her ornament and glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

16 Now if anyone is disposed to be argumentative and contentious about this, we hold to and recognize no other custom [in worship] than this, nor do the churches of God generally.

17 But in what I instruct [you] next I do not commend [you], because when you meet together, it is not for the better but for the worse.

18 For in the first place, when you assemble as a congregation, I hear that there are cliques (divisions and factions) among you; and I in part believe it,

19 For doubtless there have to be factions or parties among you in order that they who are genuine and of approved fitness may become evident and plainly recognized among you.

20 So when you gather for your meetings, it is not the supper instituted by the Lord that you eat, I Corinthians 11:1-20

Let the discussion start right now.

Image123: @hypocrites
John 5v39

Whatever that means and whoever that refers to,

New International Version (©1984)
You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, - John 5:39

^^^ And if you MUST tithe, you MUST also do every other things contained in the law..........

Bidam: U guys are all acting stupid and senile... I quoted a scripture...And as i may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham(heb7:9).. U took the part dat suit ur purpose and blew my explanations out of context..now dis was wat i said and pls we are here to discuss not to start throwing hypocritical tantrums at one another...i said levi d fourth generation of Abraham's family was connected thru the tithe. Go back and read my post and stop d lies and deceit.

Connected to who and what So how is the New testament Christian connected NOW under Grace By tithe And to who and what is the NT Christians and covenant connected to How is the NT Covenant connected also By tithe also Please tell us. I'm eager to hear you.

Zikkyy: You will not waste your time discussing because you don't have anything to say. I was expecting this. It very obvious you dont understand what you are talking about. You think its enough to come here posting beautiful nonsense abi?

You come here telling us that Levi was connected to his own great grand father based on the tithe Abram paid to melchi. Then you also stated that Abraham was connected to Adam by that act. All I did was to ask for clarification, simple. If I tell image123 tithing activities connected him to some aliens from another planet, am sure it makes sense to you.

I laugh in tongues....on the bolded. The guy is just learning the tricks of the trade! I raised all this issue of Levi paid tithe in Abraham but he doesn't understand still. Abraham was BEFORE Levi. How can some tell us that Levi connected to Abraham. It was Abraham who carried Levi in his lions just as everyone was in Adam when he sinned. Everyone who is in Christ is also justified because of what Christ did. If what Christ did nullified what Adam did, how can someone tell us what Adam did is still effective and enforced on us......confusion in the modern church!

^^^ Please, let's not make this issue a personal attack please. Thank you. I do not think it is right for a Christian to attend any church service while he/she is suppose to be at work.....There's time for everything the scripture says.

vicoson: Read 1 cor. 11:4-11

Oya start dey explain verse-by-verse.....we dey wait o

^^^ Okay bro.

Zikkyy: Thank you sir. This supports my position that the idea of rendering a tenth should be determined by the individual. There's no issue if it was based on personal faith and conviction.

What I don't agree with is the definition of tithe as 10% of income (what constitute income is at the discretion of the pastor). Reading the bible you will find there is no fixed definition for tithe, it is as determined by customary behavior (Abraham); as determined personally by the giver (Jacob) or as required by God (mosaic).

It becomes an issue when modern day pastors 'trick' the congregation into parting with a tenth of their income by reference to the mosaic law. And we know Christians are not required to adhere to this law. If anybody must tithe according to the mosaic law, he/she must adhere 100%. What we fight here is people attempting to justify the act by claiming it is commanded by God in accordance with the mosaic law.

If you are sincere you should be advising image123.

Bombshell!

New International Version (©1984)
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." - Galatians 3:10

Everything in the law or non....Glory to God!

Bidam: i don't think i will waste my time here discussing spiritual principles here..since u re blind to spiritual truths..wait till Christ returns then we shall know who is speaking truth and who is telling lies...but one thing am sure of that the Holy Spirit has taught me is that tithing is a spiritual principles..The whole scriptures shouts it..Jesus acknowledges it..Paul encourages it..God validates it.

Jesus acknowledges it ....for the New testament Christians
Paul encourages it ....where Bible chapter and verse please
God validates it .....For Jews and/or Christians
Spiritual principles I don't know tithing has become spiritual....do you even understand what spiritual means