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I'm not a pastor yet but will be a pastor or an Apostle in due season at the time of life...if Christ tarries. I will not be afraid to be confronted, rebuked, chastised whenever I err as a fallible man and by the grace of God, I will never quote "touch not and judge not God's anointed" because all Christians are anointed and one is not superior to the other in the sight of God. This is not to mean we should not respect authorities but to conceal misconducts and misbehaviours is outrightly against biblical teachings. This matter is as simple as ABC when you view scriptures from all angles. It does not equal to rebellion.

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Rebelling against you or who? Kindly expose me where I erred, confront and rebuke me and I will amend my ways by God's grace. Okay.

tpia1: which misconduct did you present?

i dont read long stories- can you summarise plz.

All bible verses presented include the following misconduct and misbehaviour:

Speaking lies in hypocrisy

Shameful way of making money

Those who rob the temple

Stealing

Committing adultery

Abhorring idols

Rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception

Dishonest gain

Those are all the misconducts and misbehaviours listed in most verses quoted since this thread started. Need I say more? Judge for yourself.

tpia1: stop thinking you know it all.

you tend to get very upset when you're not the one controlling a discussion.

why is that?

do you have ego problems?

people are contributing, and you want only your own voice to be heard, on a public forum.

does that sound workable, to you?

another thread can be opened to discuss this topic, if you and your group have issues with free speech.

And stop introducing sentiments now.....Am I the only talking here on this thread The thread is open to all including you. All you have to do is present a stronger argument against the title of the thread. You have not been able to do that and all you say is that am controlling a thread. Who and who am I controlling and when did I become the omniscience Have I ever acted like I know it all Stop being sentimental and emotional, okay. I confronted you because you are trying to act like you don't understand what misBEHAVIOUR means. Straighten up

Each bible verse quoted by seriallink and I have presented one or more misconducts and misbehaviours act(s) of some Christians, let's see how any true Christian will come out open and tell us that such misconducts and misbehaviours should be condoled by biblical teachings. Jesus did not soften the truth and we will not until His kingdom hit the earth.

Nothing we no go see from this president. Presidency? More food? At Aso Rock? What! I dey laugh is tongues and smh,

seriallink: We identify false teachers by verifying their teachings whether they are scriptural or not! The passage below says it all. We have to always verify what we are taught with all honesty from the scripture, that way we'll not go astray or mislead others!

Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

The passage below also supports rebuking misleading teachers who twist scriptures for the sake of their dishonest gain. As you can see in v11, Circumcision, just like tithe and other OT laws which are not supposed to be preached, but are forced on people by misleading teachers for their dishonest gain! The scripture clearly says we should rebuke them sharply so that they will be sound in their faiths:

Titus 1:10-16 10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.

11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”

13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith

14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

Amen bro...Glory to God.

@ tpia,
I don't understand when misBEHAVING which is basically related to BEHAVIOUR and CONDUCTS parallels with act of preaching. The title of the OP is clear enough for you to contribute what the scripture says. Stop going in circles asking irrelevant kweshions please.

InesQor: @Goshen360

Meanwhile we're still waiting for contrary responses. Let's hope we get them.

I hope you don't wait till Christ returns. They will pretend as though they didn't see this thread and overlook it. The basis of scriptural ground for Christians to expose and judge the misbehaving conduct is too strong for anyone to conceal such misconduct.

Infact, that scripture in Romans 2:21-25 talks about "THOSE WHO ROB THE TEMPLE". A temple defined in the NT could be a place of worship or could be a believer because we are the temple of God, 1 Corinthians 3:16. Alas, you think these temple robbers mentioned in Romans 2:21-25 will carry AK47 or AK fourty hundred when they rob the temple . Should we then condole this acts of robbery by professing and false Christians Again, judge among yourselves you Christians.....

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Besides, the above was fully developed in the Epistle. Romans 2:21-25.....Read for yourself, am tired of quoting scriptures for now.

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My brother, "judge not and touch not my anointed" is a false teaching from the pit of hell. Those who don't want to answer to scriptural scrutiny always have skeleton in their wardrobe. Every Christian, irrespective of being a pastor or not is suppose to be transparent in his/her deal(ings).

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? - I Corinthians 6:2

As we (Christians) are to judge or shall judge the world, we are judge among ourselves. When Jesus said,

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. "And why worry about a speck in your friend's eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying to your friend, 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye. - Matthew 7:1-5

Our Lord is talking about hypocritical judgment in context whereby someone who steals condemn or judge another thief. When you judge other, make sure you are not doing the same thing you are judging the person on. The scripture is crystal clear on believers judging ourselves and ANY MoG is NOT excluded when he/she misbehaves because a pastor is first a Christian before being a pastor. Need I say more? Judge among yourselves......

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@ Joagbaje,

Offering as it is in the NT is NEVER, I repeat NEVER based on the OT. It is based on this scripture sir. Take a look,

New International Version (©1984)
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

New Living Translation (©2007)
On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. - I Corinthians 16:2

This is what the NT offering of the OT is based upon. It will be best to show the world where NT Christians offer offerings like the OT. What you call offerings in churches and place of worship today is replaced with MONEY giving and we are instructed to "set aside a CERTAIN PORTION of our income" on the first day of the week. This is where giving so called "offering" in churches comes to be. It is NOT talking about the OT kind of offerings!

Subscribing to this wonderful thread in the mighty name of Jesus, Amen. Again, thank you seriallink and thank you InesQor for this wonderful thread. The truth is, Jesus dealt with the false religious people in his days who had turned the place of worship then into a den of thieves which can mean or be interpreted as the "misbehaving pastors" of our days. Jesus is NOT physically here now to deal with such misconduct but Christ had put the true believers in charge on earth and true believers have right to deal with them the false ones, chase them out of business and expose them.

Take a look at this scripture as one of my favourites to exposing "false christian" because my brother Joagbaje once said a christian cannot be called false and I showed him this scripture,

New Living Translation (©2007)
Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there--false ones, really--who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations. - Galatians 2:4

New International Version (©1984)
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. - II Corinthians 11:14-15

Oh my goodness! The beauty of scripture comes out so alive when you do a word study along side your study. As of masquerading in the natural, kindly do some word study on "masquerading" and see for yourself. Glory to God!

frosbel: Christians do not have to come here boasting they will help.

His contact details have been made available and I trust that he will receive the help he needs.

Seconded. Thank you my dearest brother, I couldn't have said it better.

@ joe4christ, be very sure to receive MORE THAN ENOUGH.....I trust all my Christian brothers and sisters on this forum in the mighty name of Jesus! Glory to God, Our God is RICH....

Many thanks to seriallink, Zikky and Debosky for their response to our brother Image123; I don't need to respond to him again. Sometimes, I'm and sometimes I'm not surprised Image123 will still follow to twist verse 7-8 of Hebrews chapter 7. This is what this thread is all about, we shall reveal the truth that had been used to coerce the mind of people into parting with their 10% cash every sunday.

@ Image123, you said tithe existed BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the law and you quoted Hebrews 7:7-8. It will interest you to get ready because this thread will expose you and the likes when we get to verse 7 and 8. Again, let's follow the exposition verse-by-verse.

@ Everyone,
The purpose of this thread and exposition is to unveil from Hebrews chapter 7 as a whole that tithing BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the law is ABOLISHED, DIS-ANNULLED AND SET ASIDE, not taught anywhere in the NT and Christians are not instructed anywhere in the new testament AFTER calvary/resurrection to tithe but rather to give according to the grace giving to each one.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there--false ones, really--who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations. - Galatians 2:4

Okay, let’s get started right now!

Hebrews 7 is a continuation from Chapter 6 carrying on from the very first chapter and beyond to the last verse of the last chapter. Hence, I will start my exposition from the last verse of Hebrews chapter 6 to make a continuation into chapter 7 where the reference to Jesus becoming a High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek” was re-emphasized.

20. Where the forerunner has entered for us, [even] Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. Heb. 6

Here, we have an introduction to something that was established and will continue into chapter 7:1 and beyond. We have Jesus becoming High Priest forever according to the "order of", not the "person of" Melchizedek. Clearly and without ANY CONTRADICTION, “JESUS” WAS COMPARED TO “MELCHIZEDEK”. Jesus is not Melchizedek and Melchizedek is not Jesus. It means Melchizedek was “something” or that he “set a pattern/order” and Jesus was “after or according to that something, pattern or order” fulfilling the type/shadows in which Melchizedek was. Melchizedek was a man (Heb. 7:4) and no man fall from heaven, he had to be born of a woman - this will be explained in details as we continue. Now, who is this Melchizedek and what is it about him that made Jesus to “become” High Priest forever “according to the order” of Melchizedek? Let’s not guess. Let the writer explain to us since it is written.

Kindly bear in mind, the writer of Hebrews referenced Melchizedek in three (3) dynamic ways namely:

1. The Historic Melchizedek – Type and Shadow of Christ, Genesis 14.
2. The Prophetic Melchizedek – Prophetic foreshadow of Christ’s eternal Priesthood, Psalm 110.
3. The Fulfilled Melchizedek, Jesus Christ. Heb. 6:17-20; 5:6, 10; 7:17-21.

We shall expound on the three dynamic references to Melchizedek as we study along. However, here in Heb. 6:20, the writer is using Jesus Christ as the fulfilled Melchizedek of the Prophetic Melchizedek from Psalm 110:4 in the phrase “having become”. The writer pulled from the prophetic Melchizedek of Psalms 110:4 and made it fulfilled in Christ,

4. “The LORD has sworn, and will not relent; You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek” Psalm 110.

In Hebrews 6:20, it says “having become” and in Psalm 110:4 it says, “You are a priest...after the order…” not after the “person” of Melchizedek. So, here in this verse, Christ becomes or is the fulfilled (Melchizedek) of the prophetic (Melchizedek) from the historic (Melchizedek) who was first mention in Genesis 14. Now, let’s put everything together:

It’s important we understand the difference between the “historical” Melchizedek of Genesis 14, which was a type and shadow and the “prophetic” Melchizedek of Psalm 110 and “fulfilled” Melchizedek of Hebrews 6:20. For instance, “Out of Egypt I have called my Son” (Hosea 11:1) “historically” refers “The National Israel” but as a type and shadow, it “prophetically” refers Jesus Christ (Matt. 2:15). “A virgin shall be with child…” (Isa. 7:14-16) “historically” referred to Isaiah’s wife and child, but as a “type and shadow” and “prophetically” it refers to Mary and Christ (Matt. 1:23). First, the “historical” Melchizedek appeared in Genesis 14. Second, Melchizedek appeared “prophetically” when David mentioned him in Psalm 110 almost a thousand years later. And, third, the writer of Hebrews used him as the “fulfilled” of both the “prophetic” and “type/shadow; historic” - both "fulfilled" in Christ.

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Well, I can perceive this thread hasn't gone any far and is almost getting derailed. If anyone is to ask question, lets ask questions based on what is posted and discussed. Let's stop all these out of context questions please - we are discussing Hebrews 7 where tithing is Abolished!. If you think I said anything in contrary to biblical truth in EACH of my post, kindly present a superior argument with scriptures against what is said. Thank you all.

@ brainpulse,

I will attend your kweshions intensively.

Joagbaje: Tithing and offering existed before the law.

Many things like burnt offering also existed before the law. Animal Sacrifices existed before the law. Building stone altars existed before the law. etc. Christians will also do well doing all of these things sir. They are all types and shadows and all fulfilled in Christ.

What you call Church offering today is NOT according to the law but what the NT church used in the early church for sharing and distributions among the saints. Today's church offering doesn't even share anything among believers. Think about that.

Joagbaje: They are both spiritual principles.

Spiritual principles There is nothing spiritual giving - it is physical. Money is physical. Crops and animals are physical. The serve physical needs not spiritual. I don't understand this your "spiritual principle" stuff.

Joagbaje: There is never a place tithing was condemed .

Why don't you wait till we all finish our exposition in this Hebrews chapter 7 before you jump to conclude tithing still exist. Even to the Jews, tithing had come to an end, not to talk of Christians. I thought you wrote an article that the "Law is Abolished". So when the law is abolished, why do only tithe still remain. God has a financial plan for His church and it is achieved through giving - money, not crops and animal.

Joagbaje: Jesus said men should tithe .

Who are the men Jesus told to tithe His disciples or Christian....NT Christianity did NOT start until AFTER the death and resurrection of Christ. So who are the men Jesus told to tithe?

Joagbaje: Work of ministry and welfare of priest were done through tithes and offerings . Same thing goes for the church today.

You need to put the above statement side-by-side with this your statement and let's screen both if they tally,

Joagbaje: Tithing and offering existed before the law.

Joagbaje: Work of ministry and welfare of priest were done through tithes and offerings . Same thing goes for the church today.

I placed both statements together. Look at it, was Melchizedek that Abraham gave tithe to doing the work of the ministry Okay, we agree the priest of old are doing the work of the ministry, serving in the temple right. Okay. Now, you quoted 1 Corinthians 9:13-14,

Joagbaje: 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

This verse is very clear enough but unfortunately has been the most twisted scriptures to justify tithing. Paul never mentioned tithe or tithing here. Paul clearly was making a comparison of those who "partake of things of the temple and altar" and how they are being cared for to "those who preach the gospel". Look at the scripture again, it say and compare....."live of the things of the temple and altar" COMPARED TO ...."live of the GOSPEL". Does living of things of temple and altar EQUALS live or living of the GOSPEL

[quote author=*solid*]Still hard to make a final conclusion, although, no scripture from the New Testament is convincing enough to support tithing.

The question is, should any part of the Old Testament which is not supported by the New Testament be thrown away and not be practiced by Christians and the Church today?[/quote]You will also have a better understanding following and participating in this Thread

Christians are not to follow the Old. However, without the old, we cannot fully understand the new. Gospel and Mysteries of God and His Kingdom was hidden in the old and revealed in the new. You need the understanding of the old to better appreciate the new but unfortunately, many preachers and teachers use the old to CONFUSE "some" Christians telling Christians to mix both old and new together. We, Christians have NOT come to mount sinai BUT to mount Zion.

Glory to God!

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First, @ Image123 and Olaadegbu,

Both of you look at this scripture starring at you in the face and tell the whole world that Matthew to John account are not part of the law (in content or context, not as per arrangement),

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

New International Version (©1984)
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,

New Living Translation (©2007)
But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman, subject to the law.

English Standard Version (©2001)
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, - Galatians 4:4

Second, can any of you (Image123 and Olaadegbu) show us just one single scripture AFTER calvary and ressurection where Christians are instructed to tithe

Third, like I said in my OP, am not here to debate whether tithe (even as at/of Matthew 23:23) is still crops and animal meaning it was originally so, who are those being addressed by Christ in Matthew 23:23 When does the group being addressed in Matthew 23:23 become Christian example - ONLY in tithe matters

Four, Yes, it is true that Jesus told this group, "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone". But look at Matthew 23:23 again

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

...and tell the whole world this verse is still not a matter of the law then as at when Christ spoke and he, Christ was also born under the law, cannot break the law, otherwise he would have sinned.

Although this chapter, Hebrew 7 is not primarily a discussion of tithing but it draws heavily from Numbers 18, which is the ordinance establishing the priesthood and tithing as tithing “according to or under the law” and also pin down on the "pre-law tithing or tithing before the law". It contrasts the mortal Aaronic priesthood, which was partially sustained by tithing principles (according to the law), with Christ’s Melchizedek priesthood (pre or before the law), which is eternal and is sustained by grace principles of the unlimited eternal power of God.

Also, let me state clearly that the writer of “The Letter to the Hebrews” did not set out to teach tithing as a topic or practice per say in Hebrews chapter 7 but to teach an in-depth exposition of the superiority or betterness of the priesthood of Christ for the New Testament believers compared to the Old Testament Levitical Priesthood that was established in the Pentateuch. However, tithing (both pre-law and according to law or during the period of law) was referenced because tithe/tenth also pertained to the Levitical Priesthood that is being discussed by the writer. There are many laws, ordinances and commandments that are inseparable from the Levitical Priesthood and one of such is tithe/tenth. So, one cannot discuss or teach the Levitical Priesthood in totality without mentioning or teaching tithe/tenth alongside because they are inseparable!

Once again, kindly tell and/or invite your friends to follow and/or participate in this thread on Nairaland even if they are not members, invite and/or tell family members and neighbor(s) who are still being coerced and manipulated in their churches to this thread for an eye opening truth and revelation. Also invite your pastor who teaches tithe in your local church to come partake and/or challenge the truth of this exposition that brought an end to tithing. I will be doing the exposition verse-by-verse and presenting the truth/evidence wherein and how tithing (both pre-law and law) was brought to and end. After each post or verse exposition, contributions, questions and criticism is allowed and welcomed for participation and teaching purpose.

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In this season, we begin an exposition of Hebrews chapter 7 where tithing (both the pre-law and according to the law) was disannulled, abolished and nullified. My exposition of Hebrews 7 is NOT to teach whether tithe was money or not, it is to reveal the truth that WHATEVER is called tithing, tithe or tenth has ended, set aside, nullified, abolished and disannulled both tithing, “before” or “pre” Law and tithing "according to the Law". I have heard many criticisms against me and other anti-tithe teachers in the past that we are stingy; we do not want to give our money to church or to God. This is a false allegation against our person. What I/we (anti-tithe teachers) believe is that, giving in the New Testament is according to Grace and not according to percentage nor according to the law. We believe the NT doesn't place a certain percentage to giving unlike tithe of the OT. We believe tithe according to the law was specifically from crops and animal but giving can be of/from anything including money.

I will like you to tell and/or invite your friends, family and neighbor(s) who are still being coerced and manipulated in their churches to follow and/view this thread for an eye opening truth and exposition. You can also invite your pastor(s) who teaches tithe in your local church to come partake and/or challenge the truth of this exposition that brought an end to tithing.

I will be doing the exposition verse-by-verse and presenting the truth/evidence where and how tithing (pre-law and law) was brought to and end. After each post or verse exposition, contribution, questions and criticism (not insult) is allowed for participation.

Hebrews chapter 7 is extremely important because it is the only New Testament scriptures that mention tithing (both the pre-law and according to the law) after Calvary! By this statement, I mean that, Jesus is the Mediator of the New Testament and as such, when Jesus was still physically walking the earth, the New Testament has not began and biblically speaking, the Old Testament was still in effect until after the death of Christ and resurrection.

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. Hebrews 9:15-18 New International Version.

In addition to Shabbach Adonai,

They that know their God shall be strong and do EXPLOIT.

New Living Translation (©2007)
He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him.

English Standard Version (©2001)
He shall seduce with flattery those who violate the covenant, but the people who know their God shall stand firm and take action. - Daniel 11:32

Also, you need these:

New International Version (©1984)
The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. - II Corinthians 10:4

In a spiritual warfare, you need to put on the WHOLE armour of God in order to win the spiritual warfare. If you are only putting on some or pieces of the armours of God to fight a spiritual warfare, it doesn't work for scriptures say, "put on the WHOLE armour of God...." Ephesians 6:12-20 listed ALL or WHOLE armour to fight with. If one is missing, your spiritual warfare is not complete.

Shout it loud and clear, sing it in the street, proclaim it to your generation and the ones yet unborn....

[size=50pt]Rod Parsley of The World Harvest Church, Ohio is a FRAUD[/size] with his 12:12:12 prayer cloth. I just watched his 12:12:12 prayer cloth heresy of the end time. The Apostles NEVER sent prayer clothes asking you to sow a 12:12:12 seed.

@ seriallink,

God bless you.

Glory to God! Our God reigns.

Warren Buffet is a C.E.O, C.E.O pastor(s) and bishop(s) can also acquire private jets. After all, they are both CEOs, only that they operate different companies.

No, each bible text doesn't have a fixed interpretation. For instance, you can quote a bible text and use it to emphasis more than one truth. Second, the word of God is the sword of the Spirit and it is two-edge sword, it is not a one way traffic thing. For example,

New Living Translation (©2007)
But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman, subject to the law.

New International Version (©1984)
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, - Galatians 4:4

This single text can be used to show, prove, highlight and emphasis the following points:

I. There is time for everything and God works according right timing.
II. Christ was born of a woman.
III. Christ was born under the law and was subject to the law.

ATMC: Bro goshen, there's a scripture dt bothers me in d new testament...how far with dt ur bring it on thread where we once talked about forgiveness in d world to come? Can you paste d link to dt thread here so i can show u dt scripture to avoid derailing this

This is the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1004833/twisted-scriptures-truth-shall-set