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Christianity EtcRe: Setting Of 'Money Targets' In Some Churches - Is It Scriptural? by Goshen360(m): 4:34pm On Nov 28, 2012
Joagbaje: It's not right. Giving is by faith and love for God. A pastor Texes people faith in God ,it's left for individuals what they do with their faith. I doubt the story . The fact that he said so doesn't necessarily mean its true. What you don't have ,you don't have. He probably is doing his own prrsonal competition with other . Just like Ananias and sapphira . They heard someone sold property and brought the proceed to church and the church surnamed the man "SON OF CONSOLATION" on hearing this ,they also announced they will sell their land and bring the proceed you know the rest. . . .
Joagbaje, you can now see why we cry out again all these frauds in the body of Christ. These and many more are the various ways pastors defraud members. The "force" people into giving. See I like you as a Christian brother but I hate anything falsehood especially in the name of God. You can now see examples of these fraudulent pastors. We must silent them and push them out of business because they are leavens in the body of Christ.

Giving should NOT be in response to PRESSURE,

New Living Translation (©2007)
You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully".
- II Corinthians 9:7
Christianity EtcRe: The Three Types Of Laws In The Bible And Your Responsibilities by Goshen360(m): 4:02pm On Nov 28, 2012
[quote author=ndu_chucks]Over the years I have watched my Christian brothers go through pains and sadness because of their belief that they have sinned as a result of breaking one biblical law or the other. To make matters worse, their Pastors tell them how inadequate they are, on a weekly or even daily basis. I therefore decided to research this issue and come up with a blueprint for true happiness for my Christian brothers and sisters.

Here’s what I found:

There are three types of Laws in the Bible:

Civil Laws

These are the laws described in the bible which apply only to the nation of Israel.

Ceremonial Laws

These speak to cleanliness and also include priestly laws as those in Leviticus & ceremonial laws that involve worship.

Moral Laws

The 10 commandments would fall under this category.

My Straight Forward Analysis

As a Christian, you are not bound by Civil laws which were established for the nation of Israel., neither are you bound by the said ceremonial Laws. The Civil Laws and Ceremonial Laws apply to particular dispensations of days long gone, while Moral Laws are timeless, thus murder is wrong yesterday, today, and tomorrow,

Unscrupulous Pastors play on the ignorance of their flock, by making them feel guilty of violating laws which do not apply to them at all. The concept of “an eye for an eye” for example, was contained in Civil Laws which were applicable to the nation of Israel of old but not to Christians of today.

And yes, the concept of tithing is contained in Ceremonial Laws as mentioned in Leviticus and Christians are not bound by those laws. Though tithing is not a moral law and thus not binding, being generous, a concept which requires spending more than 10% on charity is admirable and will generate immense blessings.

Please do not allow 419 pastors to confuse you. You are only bound by the Moral Laws stated in holy books. If you have to wonder in your mind whether a law is valid, then it cannot be a moral law, and it would be safe to say that you are not bound by it.

This, my friends, is the solution to the dilemma of many of my Christian brothers and sisters.[/quote]First, I quoted everything because I will use some of your point for articles in the future. Great thread.

Second, when some pastor deceive people on this subject of law and Grace, mixing both together is outright heresy and I can say that anywhere, anytime.

Third, on the subject of the Moral Laws which entails the ten commandments. Even that was summed into two: Love your God and Love your neigbour. This is fully developed in the NT while Jesus summed it up in the OLD TESTAMENT, remember Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was still the OLD TESTAMENT but arranged under the New.

You will also remember the sabbath is part of the ten commandment but it is NOT binding on the NT Christians also under the Epistles. In a nutshell, when Jesus said under the Old testament, (Matthew to John's Gospel) that all the laws (ten commandment) is summed into two - Love God; Love your neighbour. It means when you love God and love your neighbour, you will not break the law and obviously you have fulfilled the law.

Paul confirmed the words of Jesus Christ saying, Love is the fulfillment of the law - Romans 13:10. The moral that has the ten commandment is also wiped out because Christians don't observe the sabbath which is also part of the ten commandment. Loving God and loving your neigbbour is fulfilling the law, it does not say what kind of law. It just said, love is the fulfillment of the law, simple. Whether is Moral law, ceremonial or civic law.

My little piece though.
Christianity EtcRe: How Many Ladies Aint Guilty Of This? by Goshen360(m): 3:43pm On Nov 28, 2012
What kind of thread is this huh Is this a NT teaching or what huh I don't know when people will understand the Old Covenant was ONLY between God and the Jews......It doesn't apply to Christians. Why is there so much confusion mixing the Old and the New together without applying any biblical interpretation huh I tire for this generation of Christians o.

I'm out of here!
Christianity EtcRe: Is The Nigerian Church The Cause Of The Mess In The Country Today ? by Goshen360(m): 3:34pm On Nov 28, 2012
A call to divine order. I am beginning to have a re-think to return with home based ministry. Righteousness exalts a nation. Before kingdoms change, men MUST change. Unchanged men in and out wanting to change a nation shocked

Nice thread Frosbel.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 3:27pm On Nov 28, 2012
It saddens my heart that even as the Bible had being translated into English for us, some of us still can't understand. I wonder what we will do if we still have the translation in Hebrew and Greek. As if some people no attend comprehension class in high school days, people go turn Bible upside down o..... grin

In a nutshell, Hebrews chapter 7 first talked tithing in the pre-law as the case with Abraham. It then talked about tithing according to the law with Levites who have the commandment to receive tithe IN THE LAW (That it, IN THE LAW OF MOSES). This is very simple, we cannot over emphasis that too much. It simply means, tithing is an integral part of the law of Moses as a whole.

Middle part of Hebrews buried tithe according to the law INSIDE the act of the pre-law saying Levi also paid tithe IN or THROUGH Abraham. This is as saying, when Adam sinned everyone sinned and when Christ died, he died for all and made all who believe in him justify and righteous before God. This very part brings together the two separate kinds of tithing.

The latter part of Hebrews 7 specifically verse 18 nullified tithing according to the law saying is it SET ASIDE, DIS-ANNULLED, REJECTED, CANCELLED, ABROGATED etc depending on various translations. Verse 18 even called it "former" using an adjective to qualify "the commandment" to receive tithe as stated in verse 5. It is ONLY those who abuse and manipulate the scripture that will agree that the entire law of Moses is abolished and yet tithe is not. It is also heretic teaching that we are no more under the law but under Grace but yet only tithing should be held unto even while we are under Grace. When God took away the old covenant (tithing inclusive), everything was taken away. The NT believers practice free-will giving based on Grace!
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 3:00pm On Nov 28, 2012
@ Image123,

Is it that too hard for you to show us from scripture who and where tithe was received AFTER the law. Remember Jesus was born under the law o......so when you said "AFTER the law", I want to believe you know what "AFTER" means. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 2:56pm On Nov 28, 2012
Joagbaje: The so called exposition is simply personal misunderstanding of scriptures. Law being abolished has no reliance to spiritual principles which are eternal.

Op has not been able to answer my question. Honoring your father and mother ,is it done away with alongside with the law? Apart from the fact that tithing is a principle which preceded the law.
I pity you Joagbaje. All these your tithe false teaching for Christians goes down to the fact that your mini-god still hold unto same tithe even though both of you say the law was abolished. Hebrews 7 specifically discussed tithing "before" the law and tithing in the law or according to the law as you may want to call it.

I showed a diagram to illustrate tithing under the pre-law with the Abrahamic covenant and that of the new covenant. You obviously closed your eyes to that truth and come up with silly questions that is irrelevant to this topic in an attempt to justify tithing for Christians. I don't even understand if you read other people's post and comments before you jump into conclusions. In respect to honouring one's parent, I answered your question already but since tithe had blinded your mind so much you can't comprehend I already answered you indirectly through the response of Zikky to you, let me show you once again,

Zikkyy: A Christian 'honoring' his father is not doing it because it is written in the mosaic law that he should.
However, let me help you with scriptures in the NT with respect to your questions. Your questions are:

Joagbaje:
Let me ask you two questions .

Honoring your father was a law right? Is it done away in the new testament ?

Thou shall not commit murder was a Jewish law, is it done away in the new testament?


Zikky's response was, "a Christian honouring his father/mother is NOT doing it because it is written in the Mosaic law that he should". Let me back it up with NT scriptures,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, - II Timothy 3:2

And just in case you have problem with KJV what it means to honour one's parent or disobedient to one's parent because you are so manipulative to the extent that someone having a conversation with you must be prepared in all ways. Here is another translation for you,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy,

Okay, just in case you are not satisfied with that scripture and from the mouth of 2 or 3, every truth shall be established. Let me help you with another scripture so you know that a Christian honouring his/parent is NOT doing so because it is according to the law.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. - I Timothy 1:9

And this scripture,

New Living Translation (©2007)
They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. - Romans 1:30

Joagbaje! Joagbaje!! Joagbaje!!! How many times did I call your name? When you come to public forum such as this, you must be biblically sound and grounded in the word of truth otherwise, you will make a ridicule of yourself in the public. When a doctrine is scrutinized under the word with sound biblical text and it cannot stand the truth of the word, it is nothing other than a false doctrine! Do I still need to give you scriptural verses that NT believers don't commit murder because it is a Jewish law huh...... cool. Like my dear brother Zikky will say, NO LET ME VEX FOR YOU or else, heavy scriptures will unmask you and your heretic tithe gospel. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Tithe Has A Way To Unlock An Unusual Doors Of Prosperity. by Goshen360(m): 11:59pm On Nov 27, 2012
taigee: @ all anti tithe teachers on NL
I know you are always ready for an argument. But your Legalistic arguments do not change tested and proven truths of scriptures. I agree that I can't bring out specific scriptures from the NT on tithing, but the NT without the OT is incomplete. The Bible is a complete book with the Old T and New T complimenting each other.
You can also through the help of the Holy Spirit tap into fresh revelations from the old testament applicable to the new testament.
For Example;
Paul Quoted, Deu 25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.[/i]
Which talks majorly on how to treat the animals that work on the field. But in Paul's quote he refered to humans working in the lords vineyard.
1 Cor 9:1-14
and also
1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
[i][/]
These scriptures were culled from the OT and interpreted by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
Just like you argue today, the Drs of the law in the days of Jesus also accused Jesus of twisting scriptures by the fresh revelations he was churning out.
For Your information:
Tithing was before the law.
Abraham practised tithing (Gen 14:20)
Jacob made a vow to tithe (Gen 28:22, 31:13) God didn't Forget it.
God made it a Law (Lev 27:30)
Jesus even asserted that it was ok to tithe, but they should not ignore the weightier matters of the Law
Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [i]

The second most successful king in Israel after David is probably Hezekiah.
He was recorded to have reintroduced the tithing covenant and giving to the levites in his time, it brought great blessing and supernatural turnaround to the whole land. Read (2 Chr chpt 31)
In the old testament the tithe was received by men, but today it is presented by faith to the high priest of our calling in the order of Melchisedec; Jesus Christ. Read (Heb 7:1-17) of particular note are the following verses:

Heb 7:1-2 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace.[/i]

Heb 7:5-8 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
[i]


Heb 7:14-17 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[i][/i]

I will like to add, that whatever you see in the scriptures works according to your faith. Those of us that practice the teachings on tithing experience the supernatural blessings of God that cannot be quantified in monetary value.
If you don't believe it don't practice, but please stop trying to prove its wrong because you may be wrong. Well the end justifies the means. The Prosperity in the Church today is not by chance, there is a spiritual law working it out.
However I must point out that the prosperity message has a great tendency to be overblown by many so called prosperity preachers today, but it does not mean its un-scriptural. I believe that our campaign should be for a balanced message not for abolition of what is the truth.
Correction sir: I am not a tithe teacher, I am a tithing practitioner without regrets.
Again I wish u the very best in Christ as we reach out to the things ahead.
Shalom
Quoted. Your quoted words from scriptures are the very words standing against you....I will be right back to expose your own very heresy.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Tithe Has A Way To Unlock An Unusual Doors Of Prosperity. by Goshen360(m): 10:19pm On Nov 27, 2012
When the minds of "church people" are being "programmed" that until they pay tithe before blesses them and open doors, there is a problem in the body of Christ. Meanwhile, in the NT, doors are already openED (already a done deal) to Christians, all it takes is faith.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For a great and effective door is openED unto me, and there are many adversaries.
I Corinthians 16:9

God is not English language dump, neither is God a High school drop out. When God says "openED", He means what he says. Abi openED na present tense ni huh He is not about to open the door, He had already opened the door. So when some people that cannot even follow and mind biblical tenses for truth/deeper revelation wants to show us revelation by telling Christians that paying tithe is a way to unlock or open doors of prosperity, I think we should first ask them to show us the proof.
Christianity EtcRe: You Have To Fight And Defeat The Goliath Of Your Destiny. by Goshen360(m): 9:35pm On Nov 27, 2012
ijawkid: I'm ok bro.....we all need to develop the same courage david had if we have to survive through this system....

Hope your doing good??
Sure, I will give you a call before the week runs out. Stay bless bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Tithe Has A Way To Unlock An Unusual Doors Of Prosperity. by Goshen360(m):
@ OP, taigee and tithe teachers,

1. Kindly show us in the NT where God demands tithe "in order" to bless a NT Christian. Remember, Christ is the mediator of the new testament and in the case of a testament, there is need to prove the death of the testator. Hence, Matthew to John's gospel didn't start the NT.

2. Show us where the Apostle collected tithe - ONLY Levite have the commanded to receive tithe according to the law. Jesus could not have received tithe because he wasn't from the tribe of Levi neither are the Apostle.

3. The tithing that existed before the law, unto whom was it given to in the case of Abraham? To Jesus huh - No. To Church and/or Temple System huh - Yes/NO huh To Melchizedek huh - Yes and who is this Melchizedek huh

4. What is the content of the tithe that was given before the law? Salary? Income? Spoils of war? Personal gift?

Answers to these questions will be fine. Besides, taigee is talking about "revelation". Every revelation is complete in Christ. Hebrews 1:1-3. There cannot be any further revelation other than what is complete in scriptures.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 9:20pm On Nov 27, 2012
Zikkyy: You think this makes you look smart abi? i am sorry to inform you that we are not impressed angry You guys just deliberately refused to understand what the issue is. It is not an issue of committing murder or honoring your father. [size=20pt]A Christian 'honoring' his father is not doing it because it is written in the mosaic law that he should.[/size] This is the issue with tithe; you don't find anybody tithing to the Levite outside of the law, you don't find tithe issued as a command from God outside of the law. If you must teach tithe or if peeps must pay tithe, it should not be based on the requirement of the mosaic law, simple. There is nothing wrong in giving a tenth of your income to the church afterall every giving is a percentage of something. It just that pastors cannot justify the call to tithe (fixed percentage giving) without reference to the mosaic law, and that should tell you there something wrong with the tithe sermon.

It's so difficult justifying your tithing scheme without the law, to the extent image123 decided to take up Jewish citizenship grin now image123 is an 'hypocritical pharisee' grin
You are biblical sound, scripturally loaded and eternally blessed. You just said the biblical truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Originated The Prosperity Gospel by Goshen360(m): 9:18pm On Nov 27, 2012
chukwudi44: I know who keneth hagin is.He is the founder of the word of faith movement.He is to the movement what martin luther is to the lutherans and John calvin to the calvinists.

[size=20pt]His heretical movement he founded is one of the major problems confronting christendom today[/size]
Nothing can be "truER" than this....Nice one Chukwudi.
Christianity EtcRe: You Have To Fight And Defeat The Goliath Of Your Destiny. by Goshen360(m): 7:52pm On Nov 27, 2012
ijawkid: all I need na that stone wey david take stone goliath,so that I go use am stone our politicians for nigeria....yeye wan kill all of them.....lol...

@ goshen...I hail ooooo....
Hey bro, lolz....sure all is well bro.
Christianity EtcRe: You Have To Fight And Defeat The Goliath Of Your Destiny. by Goshen360(m): 7:31pm On Nov 27, 2012
^^^ Never laughing at you oo. I'm just inspired by the revelation you shared.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Originated The Prosperity Gospel by Goshen360(m): 7:19pm On Nov 27, 2012
chukwudi44: Another teaching of the prosperity preachers is that one can only prosper by giving to their pastors or churches.Thes has been proven to be a fallacy as several non xtians who do not abide these principles are still been blessed materially by God.
I cannot argue this truth because it is a false teaching of the prosperity preachers as you mentioned.
Christianity EtcRe: You Have To Fight And Defeat The Goliath Of Your Destiny. by Goshen360(m): 7:14pm On Nov 27, 2012
@ i.chuka,

Great! Just learnt another new thing right now from you. Meaning when David used just one stone, then he should have the remaining four stones with him. Sounds like when you point one finger to a man, the remaining four fingers points at you...Glory to God.

[quote author=i.chuka]God bless you sir.
Moreover,the FOUR STONES where for future Goliaths in his life......These Four were born to the giant in Gath,and fell by the hand of David,and by the hand of his servants..2 Sam.21:22.[/quote]
Christianity EtcRe: Are Unbeleivers Really Wiser Than Us? - Luke 16:8 by Goshen360(m):
@ Joe,

Straight up to the point - What you have in the four Gospels is fully developed or further amplified and expanded in the epistles by men who followed Christ as Apostles. There are kinds of wisdom and besides, when Christ said those words, it was still under the Old Testament. The wisdom that Christ talked about is expanded in James 3:15,

New International Version (©1984)
Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, [and] of the devil.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For jealousy and selfishness are not God's kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic.

So when Jesus said, "Children of this world...", it mean the kind of wisdom attributed to them is of the world, that is earthly wisdom. But we (Christians) are NOT of the world because we are the "called out" of the world even though we live in the world.

In the NT, believers have God's kind of wisdom if asked for,

New Living Translation (©2007)
But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. And those who are peacemakers will plant seeds of peace and reap a harvest of righteousness.
- James 3:17-18

And,

New International Version (©1984)
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. - James 1:5
Christianity EtcRe: Who Originated The Prosperity Gospel by Goshen360(m): 6:15pm On Nov 27, 2012
chukwudi44: no one is saying a xtian should be poor.The fact remains that you can still be a good xtian and remain poor depending on God's plan but these preacher's will claim it is a sin to be poor and all xtians are suppossed to be rich
"...but these preacher's will claim it is a sin to be poor..."

I don't see where Bible says it is a sin to be poor. So preachers who say such are liars.

"...and all xtians are suppossed to be rich"

"All" Christians who know their kingdom rights and heritage are suppose to be rich BUT unfortunately, NOT all Christians are rich and NOT all Christians will be rich.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinitarians And Bitarians , some food for thought by Goshen360(m): 6:03pm On Nov 27, 2012
frosbel: Son of GOD , in this case Son with a capital letter stands for Son of GOD, plainly speaking.
Okay brother Frosbel....I will be back for discussion bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 5:42pm On Nov 27, 2012
^^^
You are most welcome my dearest brother. You have always been an example of the NT believers on truth in this forum. Hebrews chapter 7 is the landmark that nullified and Abolished tithing in the NT. Many are being deceived with the curse of Malachi but they don't understand what was said in Malachi was instituted in the law.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Originated The Prosperity Gospel by Goshen360(m): 5:34pm On Nov 27, 2012
There is NOTHING like "Prosperity Gospel" simply because God HAD ALREADY GIVEN US EVERYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO LIFE AND GODLINESS and a believer is not "suppose" to be poor either. A believer can choose to be poor if he/she wants but he/she is not suppose to be poor when he/she knows his/her heritage in Christ. Glory to God!
Christianity EtcRe: You Have To Fight And Defeat The Goliath Of Your Destiny. by Goshen360(m): 5:23pm On Nov 27, 2012
Great thread. I love this article. In addition to what is said, Golliath is a two-fold type and shadows.

In the the spiritual, it represents the unseen forces that the NT believers wrestle against. On the physical, it represents the flesh which is constantly at war against the Spirit of God in the life of believers. Remember, Golliath is from Philistine and same philistine was used to lure Samson, the great man. Many times, Christians look outside to external forces being hindrances to their future desire but fail to fight and put the flesh under subjections for our main enemy are: lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life - I John 2:16
Christianity EtcRe: Demonic Covenant Associated With Visa Lottery by Goshen360(m): 5:09pm On Nov 27, 2012
Nothing we no go hear from this "religious" people. After them go tell us say to have hair cut is demonic.... grin
Christianity EtcRe: Trinitarians And Bitarians , some food for thought by Goshen360(m): 5:05pm On Nov 27, 2012
@ Frosbel,

When we/you (frosbel) and the scripture says, Jesus is the "Son of God"....What does it mean huh
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 5:00pm On Nov 27, 2012
I will like to stop here as other scriptural verses of Hebrews 7 further explains the better privileges we have in Christ Jesus. To this end, legalistic tithing is NO WHERE INSTRUCTED TO THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS.

This Thread is further open to questions, criticism and sound doctrine. You are welcome!
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 4:52pm On Nov 27, 2012
18. For there is verily an annulment of the previous commandment because of the weakness and uselessness thereof.

[size=15pt]The Most Important Text that ended and abolished tithing in the law![/size]

God removed something that had been around since the time of Moses. He removed the ordinances of the Levitical system in order to establish the greater eternal priesthood of Jesus Christ.

New Living Translation (©2007)
When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13

“There is a setting aside a former commandment.”

Question: What or Which is the "former" commandment being referred to here huh The context of this chapter can only point to Numbers chapter 18, as the “former commandment” being discussed and first mentioned in verse 5 of Hebrews chapter 7. The conclusive statement of this verse is the key statement of this chapter. Whether or not one cherishes his/her own understanding of tithing is totally irrelevant. What does the Scripture say? What does this verse mean in its context? These questions must be answered honestly. If tithing is indeed included in this verse, then the New Covenant Christian must deal with such conclusion in an honest manner, biblical and truthfully.

Take a look at this verse from many translations:

New International Version (©1984)
The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But there was a change in the first testament because of its impotence, and there was no benefit in it.

American King James Version
For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Weymouth New Testament
On the one hand we have here the abrogation of an earlier code because it was weak and ineffective.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
So a previous physical regulation and command is cancelled because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
The old rule is now ended because it was weak and worthless.

Again, Numbers 18 is “the former commandment in the law from Hebrews 7:5 which established the support structure and described the broad duties of the Levitical priesthood. Numbers 18 is the basic statute/ordinance which details the fundamental use of the first tithe by both the Levites who served in the tabernacle and the priests who offered sacrifices before the altar. As mentioned in the discussion of verse 5, the first use of both “law” and “commandment” in the book of Hebrews are both tied together and inseparable in the context of tithing.

It is totally unbiblical, heretic and abuse of scripture to teach that 7:18 abolished every ordinance pertaining to the Levitical priesthood except tithing! In reality, by first abolishing tithing (its chief financial support) the priesthood would end. The domino effect from abolishing tithing knocks down every other authority and function of Levitical priests. This is exactly why tithing has such is an important role in Hebrews 7.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 4:32pm On Nov 27, 2012
17. For he testifies, You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

Referencing Psalm 110:4 here.
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15-16. And it is yet far more evident: that after the similitude of Melchizedek there arises another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


“Not after the law of a carnal [physical] commandment”

This must, in its context, include the commandment of tithing mentioned in verse 5. This adds to the statement that “Moses spoke nothing concerning [the] priesthood” beyond Levi, and especially not beyond Israel itself. The author of Hebrews has now taken the reader outside of the boundaries of the Mosaic Law for an answer to the legitimacy of Christ’s high priesthood! Clearly, Christ’s priesthood, the priesthood of believers, and the ministry of pastor-teachers and other church workers are NOT governed by instructions in the Mosaic Law!

“But after the power of an endless [indestructible] life.”

This is heavy! What a statement! The “commandment” “law” or (better) “principle” that authorizes and makes Christ’s priesthood work, comes from his divine eternal character which preceded the law. This remark is drawn from Psalm 110:4’s statement about Melchizedek being a priest “forever.” Because of this, he cannot fail! Because of this, we, as priest-believers cannot fail! The church will be victorious!

Again, in its basic context, this primarily refers to “the priest’s office who had commandment in the law to collect a tenth” from verse 5 (which refers back to Numbers 18:19-28). By extension, however, it applies to every aspect of the Levitical system, including dress code, ritual anointing, how to offer sacrifices, etc. Whereas Levi had the ordinance of Numbers 18 from the law establishing his priesthood and support by tithing and other sacrifices, Christ’s greater priesthood needs neither! Christ has the power, the authority of God!

Grace principles of support, motivated by love for God, out-give legalistic forced principles of support such as tithing. Christ is the high priest of the church, which means every believer is now personally a priest—not giving tithes to other priests, but, as priests themselves, offering sacrifices of praise and thanksgiving. Christ is the head and the priesthood of believers is his body, this means his “power” flows into us and becomes our power. Therefore, the church does not need to use the weak Mosaic Law-power of tithing to further its goals; it has the eternal “indestructible” life-power of grace and faith from Jesus Christ!
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13-14. For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah—of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

The key to Hebrews 7 is found in verses 13 and 14. NOTHING said from Hebrews 7:1-12 about Melchizedek referred to the “historical” person, but ALL referred to the “typical” or “prophetic” Jesus Christ! When you try to make it apply literally to the historical Melchizedek, it simply does not make sense at all—for example, Levi’s tithe to a Canaanite priest. The texts are not attempting to argue the validity (nor non-validity) of Abraham’s tithe. Instead, they are setting the stage for the necessity of tithing’s abolition as part of the total support system of the Levitical priesthood as recorded in Hebrews 7:18.

Truthful enough, our high Priest – Jesus Christ sprang from the tribe of Judah and the house of David. When the priesthood is being changed, it changed from tribe of Levi and house of Aaron to tribe of Judah and tribe of Judah don’t have commandment to receive tithe according to the law, meaning the law had also changed as specified in verse 12. The high priesthood of Christ NEVER collected tithe from anyone and NEVER instructed the Apostles to receive tithe in his name because none of them have the commandment to receive tithe as they were not from the tribe of Levi who had the commandment to take tithe. He came to bless those that believed in his name and concerning the principles of GIVING, the Apostles reminded us (The NT Church/believers/Christians) of the words of our Lord Jesus,

New Living Translation (©2007)
And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard. You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'
Acts 20:35.

All through my entire study of God’s word, I have read this verse BUT I’m yet to read a verse that says you should remember the words of the Lord Jesus how He said, “It is MORE BLESSED to TITHE than to GIVE” – The New Testament principle of sharing and putting our money towards God’s kingdom is based on the following scriptures,

New International Version (©1984)
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
I Corinthians 16:2

New Living Translation (©2007)
You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully"
II Corinthians 9:7

“For he of whom these things are spoken…”

The writer begins pulling all of the evidences and conclusions together into the person of Jesus Christ. This “change of the law” was not minor, but catastrophic to the entire Levitical system! Jesus was from the tribe of Judah which was forbidden by the law to officiate as priests and receive tithe according to the law. Finally, the author makes it clear that he was speaking about Jesus Christ, and NOT the historical Melchizedek.

“Moses spoke nothing” about a change of the priesthood from Levi to another tribe. Whereas large portions of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy describe Levi’s financial support structure, authority, and duties, absolutely nothing is said in the law about how priesthood from Judah should be financially supported and served.

The reasons are, first, Christ’s priesthood is completely new and beyond the law.

Second, tithing is not required to support a “priesthood of every believer.”

Third, the New Covenant structure of pastor-teachers, evangelists and the ministry gifts; and deacons is foreign and NEW to the Old Covenant system. Therefore, by biblical interpretation and extension concerning tithing, neither can anything in the law be legitimately used to dictate how the New Covenant structure should operate! Christ commandment of “it is more blessed to GIVE…” is based grace-giving is even superior to the basic Old Covenant idea of tithing which is restricted to 10%, crops, animals and MANDATORY.
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12. For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

We must understand from context, verse 5 specifically that the “priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people” and this very verse says that priestly office is changed and as a result, the LAW that established the commandment of receiving tithe MUST also change.

As a matter of truth, “being changed” (past tense; already done) means annulment (v18) and it also means removal (Heb 12:27) according to same writer. “Being changed” begins this Greek sentence for emphasis. The Greek word, me-ta-ti-the-me-nees, is a present passive participle. It is a metamorphosis, a transposition, a change from one to another (Strong’s 3346). As used in Scripture, it means a great change. The word describes Jacob’s bones moving from Egypt to Canaan (Acts 7:16), the Galatians’ apostasy from the gospel (Gal. 1:6), Enoch’s translation (Heb. 11:5) and apostates (Jude 4). The following verses make it clear that this great “change” in the priesthood was its total abolishment and replacement.

“There is made of necessity a change also of the law”

Context leads to the conclusion that the “principle” being changed “from” is the Mosaic Law which have the commandments for the Levitical Priesthood. On the other hand, the “principle” being changed “to” is an eternal one which is governed by another set of laws. The following texts further clarify this principle. The instant that Christ died, “the [Levitical] priesthood” was changed by being abolished, set aside and anuulled. The veil in the temple was ripped open and the Passover lamb’s blood was replaced by Christ’s blood. The result changed the history of the world! The high priesthood of Aaron was replaced by the high priesthood of Jesus Christ according to the order of Melchizedek and the regular priesthood of the other priests was replaced by the New Covenant doctrine of the “priesthood of all believers.” (See 1 Pet. 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6; 5:9.)

Exactly what was “changed”?—the law, the ordinances and the commandment which had established the entire Levitical priesthood—especially the primary law of tithing as in the context of Hebrews 7:5. The principle which now establishes the office and priesthood of Jesus Christ (and also believer-priests) is not derived from any kind of written law whatsoever, and this includes tithing! Instead, the principles of grace and faith are linked to the eternal nature of God which supersedes the law. Any change in the priesthood itself would make necessary changes in all the laws governing and supporting the priesthood and tithing is NOT excluded.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Goshen360(op): 9:47pm On Nov 25, 2012
we shall continue the exposition from verse 12, I have to go for other assignment for now. Thank you.

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