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Logicboy03: ^^^
Address the topic

answer the question

why are you always "fighting". why do you feel the need to prove yourself or anything when not necessary..

okeyxyz: @greatgenius

Let's just agree to disagree here about "All is energy", which frankly is not that important to me(until I find a reason why it should be).

But you seem to put much investment on this energy\abstract state of consciouness, so does all religions.

i dont see how saying everything is God manifest correlates with seeking an abstract state of consciouness.. and i also dont see the correlatioin of what i say and what religion teaches.. if religion was saying the things that i know and say you would not be confused about this whole God is everything concept right now..

Isn't it funny that while every religion is pursuing energy\abstract consciousness, the spirit realm are doing the reverse?

what exactly do you mean by abstract consciouness and what spirit realm are you talking about about?..i think we have ourself an interesting topic so wamts to make sure i understand what you driving at..

Shouldn't that be an indication the the physical man is of greater importance? therefore spirit beings want to manifest as man.

i dont see how spirit beings manifesting as man, makes you of more greater importance than everyone/everything else or "spirit being" for that matter..dont you also see that you are a "spirit being " yourself?.. That statement indicates that you have no idea of why you are here.. let me give you a hint using one of the core differences between physicality and the "spiritual realm(hopefuuly it will give you an instintive hint as to why you are here)..The perception of time and space.. time does not exist in the metaphysical realm..

This is the important thing to me. Man is the pinnacle(until a better state comes along) of existence and is the prize that every spirit being seems to be fighting for.

man is not the pinnacle of existence but of earthly existence..there are thousands of other physical creatures or beings in the universe more civilized and advanced than man. it still doesnt make them more or less important than man.. being at the "pinnacle" doesnt make you more important..is the roof or set of block at top of a building more important than the ones at the foundation?... is a master more important/better than the slave?..is the master more importannt and better than the student? are you more important than the animals or even the trees?.. this obvious flaw in mentality of wanting to be better and more important than others is the reason for the current uncivilized and barbaric state of mankind.. we all have our choices and our roles but i tell you what you are no more or less important than the maid at your house or the thief in the street or jesus.. every creature is important..

I am not hoping to die and go to heaven, rather it is heaven that should be making all effort to come down to earth.

well why have you not chosen it..or you dont think you can experience heaven here on earth?..heaven is a state of mind/spirit... but if you are talking about the "place" where people go when they disengage then you have no need to hope because thats exactly where you will go when you disengage.. thats where we all go..

For me, the physical is most important and all the universe are for man's use and entertainment.

well you right it should be important to you or there will be no reason for you to continue "living".. anyone who gets tired or physicallity will disengage or the universe will do it for you.. the only problem with your statement is the arrogance with which you said it..you seem to think you are alone or the only sentient creatures on a planet/solar system/galaxy...

So I strive to attain the godness of man, rather than the godness of the "energy"\abstract consciousness.

you shouldnt strive to attain godness. you are already a god..have i not said that ye are gods.. what you are striving for is self actuallization/heaven while in physicality and not godhood. that you already are..your jesus came to show you the way not to godhood(that you already are) but heaven/self actualization..

This is supposed to be the original gospel of christianity, but christianity has been hijacked by religion and christians are now chasing(worshiping) abstract beings rather than controlling\using them.

well you are right about christtianity being hijacked by religion and people who misunderstood/misinterprete the message jesus was trying to pass accros but again his message was not about attaining godness but self actualization/heaven.. he also didnt ask to be worshipped or anyone or anything for that matter to be..no "higher" spiri/being or the creator needs anyone worship..

The bible is replete with the messages of immortality, but because man is too used to death and have lost wisdom and faith, they now interpret this message to mean "spiritual" immortality instead of earthly immortality.

yes indeed the bible is replete with messages of immortality...the body was actually made to live forever until the fall of man or the birth conscious mind..

If anybody truely believes that man is god manifest, then he shouldn't be "worshiping" abstract beings. If you are god, then behave like the god that you are. This is what the bible means by "god is a spirit and they that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth(john 4:24 )". Spirit here means behaviour\mindset\values.

you shouldnt worship any abstract beings or God... being god does not mean that another needs your worship

^^^ Fair enough.. we will leave it at that and move on.. This era is the time of the great awakening so when you are ready you will remember all these truths which lay latent in you..

BTW you have raised some important points that I hope to contribute to later on tonight or tomorow.. Time to do a late dinner and get some rest.. Have a bless one

okeyxyz: Sorry for the late reply.

no biggie god brother we all have our lives outside of this forum.

I think you are the one who should be explaining how energy is conscious. There is just no logic to back that up.

cmon son i dont do these discussions to score points.. neither do i take my discussions as arguments that needs to be won. this discourse is not a competition so don't look at it from that view..i only asked you to explain how you got to energy not being conscious mantra.. reversing and asking why should it? because it is illogical won't get us anywhere.. i cant help you here if i don't even know where you are coming from..

Even scientists who insist that "all is energy" will be the first to acknowledge that the source\beginner of the universe exists outside the realm of matter\energy.

scientist insisting "all is energy" is nothing new..scientists/science are/is not THE purveyor or originators of truth..the truth existed before the birth of science or scientists.. The All is One or All is God mantra/truth is not a new age phenomenon..humans have known this from the beginning of time(during their edenic state) and even after the birth of their conscious mind( what most of you have termed as the fall of man or the birth of "evil",, fall from grace etc)..science has only played semantics and substituted god with energy.. science only discovers truth and even at that it has yet to discover most of the secrets of this universe.. so whats my point? the point is i am not saying all is energy/God because scientists/science say so..i say it because that"s the truth.. all is indeed God..

Energy on it's own is chaos and it would require an external intervention to harness this energy to create something. Can you give any illustration where energy, left on it's own has ever(or can ever) create\evolve a purpose? Now god is that entity that shows a will or purpose.

ok i am not sure what you really mean by energy on its own is chaos. but understand that the true meaning of the word chaos is different from its general usage as a state of confusion or lacking any order. In chaos theory, chaos refers to an apparent lack of order in a system that nevertheless obeys particular laws or rules. Chaos is not disorder but a higher order of the universe..chaotic systems appear to be disorderly, even random. But they are not. Beneath the random behavior is a sense of order and pattern.. truly random systems are not chaotic. In a world of order, chaos rules..

behind the chaos there is always order and vice versa.. now having said that about chaos, let me state that i understand perfectly your stance..to you the creator/order behind the chaos is God.. And you are right.. but the truth is both the order and chaos are God..order and chaos are one and the same..there is no one without the other...To you white should be white and black, black..which is fine.. but the truth is white and black are the same thing....

It is true that all objects are made up of energy but what it means is that energy is a resource that fills up the object, it does not mean that energy controls the object itself but that the object is conceived by an external factor, which uses energy to accomplish this object. It's like a house being made up of sand but does not mean that the sand controls the house, rather it is the other way round ie: the house is the sand UNDER-CONTROL. Energy on it's own cannot exercise control because it is not conscious thus it is chaos. Another example is your body; the moment you die, that control factor is removed and all that is left is just matter(energy), and chaos naturally sets in, as evidenced by decay and disintegration which is pure energy.

at bolded.. again i think you should explain what you mean by energy is not conscious.. conscious as in what.. i also probably jumped the gun earlier but i would like to know what you mean by chaos...

Now matter(energy) is the spirit(will) manifested instead of the reverse, as you claim.

see this is where your problem lies.. understand that spirit is energy..The spirit or the mind manifesting matter is energy.. all things exist as energy even beyond the ordinaary physical dimension to the metaphysical or spiritual realm.. all is spirit . all is energy. all is mind.. spirit and mind are the same thing.. everything is spirit. everything is mind..and mind is energy

@ Ube ..taking this on a different tangent... Understand that separating your thoughts from you In most cases breeds acts of irresponsibility.. This is actually how the man made creation called the " devil" was birthed.. in separating your thoughts from you, any thought deemed "evil" and therefore ungodly is assigned to and as coming from the devil.. thus in creating an imaginary " devil" humans have cunningly freed themselves( so they think ) from taking responsibility for their " evil" thoughts ... The downside is in creating the " devil" humans have made themselves powerless and their creation the " devil" powerful.. That's why it said that the " devil" rules the world because he has your power( well you have given it to him )..

Responsibility is power. Taking responsibility is taking control. When you take responsibility, you gain power. When you do not take responsibility, you are giving away your power to something or someone else.. Power is freedom because power gives you choices.. To have choice is to have freedom.. So to take back the power of this world from the " devil" people need to start taking responsibility for their thoughts and actions and in so doing free themselves from the grip of the " devil "...

Irresponsibility breeds the illusion of separation and vice versa ... There is no God outside of yourself and likewise no devil outside of yourself ...

Ubenedictus: Sorry i couldnt respond earlier, i've been out of nl 4 a while. u ask how to differentiate thought from d arising xpression, i think i xplained that earlier, i can think of a human flying, thats me, but d xpression of that thought is to make an aircraft, that aircraft isnt me. It is my making but it isnt me, it is d xpression of my thought but it isnt me! My creations is essential different from me, d xpression of my thought isnt me.

you seem not adept at the subject at hand and as such we are going in circles... it is illogical to say that your thoughts are not you.. your thoughts are a form of energy and so is your very being..the aircraft that you "create" is made of energy..in fact by "creating" the aircraft you have not created a new energy to add to the already existing energy in the universe, but merely brought together already existing matter(energy)to form the aircraft.you have not created anything "new" but only changed energy into a different form... at the end if you break everything down to their core - you, your thoughts, and the aircraft-, you get nothing but energy..energy is all there is and you are a part of it. in fact you are all of it..
i am keeping it simple because you seem to not really understand the concept.

well my understanding of energy is d ability to act, God for me is action posses dat ability no that he turns himself into his work, God doesnt turn himself into matter instead by his ability (energy) he causes matter to form.

i am not sure what you are trying to say here but again differentiating God from his creations suggests and implies she created you from something outside of himself... but the truth is nothing else existed or exists outside of energy/God,the Source, from the beginning..in the beginning all that existed was and is God nothing else. and yes God "turns" himself into matter.. energy and matter is the same thing.. e=mc2

that is riddiculous.

is not you just don't undestand..you still live In the illusion of separation..

hahaha, u remember i mention idolatry earlier in d discussion? U idea means that all around us and in us is essentially God worthy of worship.

yes all around you and in you is God..is that not what your bible tells you..that which animates you is the spirit of God. but the your ignorance and the problem is that you think God needs and wants your worship..

GOD doesnt create using 'a part' of himself, infact putting God into parts is itself suspect.

well you are a part of God whether you believe it or not.. you cannot not be..you and God are one and the same..the son and the father are one and the same..

ha! Ur idea of energy is itself suspect.

lol maybe you should explain your idea of energy because i honestly think you have little understanding of it.. You have a limiting perception of God.. you will have difficulty understanding and knowing God if you keep putting him In a box.. understand that you cannot because she is boundless and limitless .. you cannot look at her as just the alpha and not the omega .. You limit his nature when you see him as just the alpha... she is both alpha/omega, the light and darkness, the beginning and end.. there is nothing he cannot be because he is all things.. everything is an expression of the one infinite Creator...

okeyxyz: @greatgenius

Your ideas make sense except for your assertion that everything is energy. This is a scientific\secular logic rather than a spiritual one. Science tell us that all of existence must be physically measurable, and the purest form of physical existence is energy

. god brother, everything is indeed energy/God.. you must understand that all things exist as energy even beyond the ordinary physical dimension to the realm where current scientific instruments cannot measure its rate of vibration... what you have called the spiritual.. All things exist as energy from the lowest rate of vibration, the densest physical condensate of matter all the way to the highest rate of vibration in the universe, the Source, God... Religionist or humanity in general have called this force God while your scientist have denoted it as energy.. but it is the same thing.. The whole/entire universe is a single super spectrum of universal Energy. everything is God or energy manifest...

Energy is an expression of god but not all of god as you claim.

it is all of God..the source or what you are calling god is itself/himself/herself energy nothing more nothing less..

Energy cannot be everything because energy on it's own is not creative, it is not conscious or intelligent.

at bolded i think is where your problems lies. what gave you the idea that energy is not conscious or intelligent..c'mon you know better than that..

Energy is simply a resource, to be used by an intelligence(God) to create.

yes that's correct but what you are not getting is that the creator/intelligence itself is energy or made up of energy.. .The entire universe from the Source, the first Cause, God/infinite intelligence is energy vibrating relative to the frequency of the source and source of course being the very center of the universe of energy...
the creator is the created.. BTW once you separate energy or "resource" in this case from the creator/first cause/infinite intelligence then you are suggesting or conceding that there was something else beside or other than God in the beginning..And that god brother is entirely false.. God is all that is and there is..nothing else..

we can talk more about this later but i would want you to explain where you got that energy is not intelligent and conscious mantra from.

Delafruita: the creation story if a load of bullcrap and every sensible person knows that

going by the silly question you asked I beg to differ on your supposed level of sensibility..no intelligent mind will put you in the sensible category yet..

Delafruita: makes as much sense as believing the creation story

well the creationist story has every fiber of sense than the obviously silly question you asked earlier.. Time is relative don't ever forget that. Go study the correlation between time and space and just maybe you will begin to see the truth in the creationist point of view.. the evolutionists are no more right than the creationists

Delafruita: absolutely dumb analogy.if you say one day to yahweh is same as a billion years to man,how then do you explain the fact that yahweh asked adam a question in real time and adam answered in real time?

Your question makes no sense and has nothing to do with the topic really but I grant your silly and ignorant question a response ...1. How is Yahweh speaking to Adam in real time has anything to do with the disparity in perception of time between them ...have you ever watched a live game on tv or used a telephone or listened to a radio before? Did Yahweh needed to be there to speak to Adam? Do you not feel the warmth and presence of the sun daily? Does the whole sun need to be right beside you to feel it presence ..Do you see how silly your question is...

But 2.. I never said anywhere that a day is equal to a billion to Yahweh ..could be a day, minutes, seconds, instant etc don't make no difference to me...and speaking In relative terms what you know as Yahweh is not the same as the infinite Creator.. Yahweh is the name of your creator not the infinite creator...

No rush take as long as you can..

okeyxyz: Ok!, most atheist are evolutionist. And the rest are..?? I can't imagine anything else. Surely, all of them must be evolutionist, else they'd start believing in a creator or an intervention(same as a creator).

ok I am not going to speak for delusional atheist but my friend just because one does not erroneously believe in the existence of a God should and has no bearing on whether or not they should believe in evolution or any scientific theory. Evolution and atheism should not intertwined..

okeyxyz: Everybody understands there are absolutes, but absolutes are meaningless(this is the same mindset that says "god is just energy". But "just energy" is meaningless.), with no logical applications or usefulness. So the only way to create values or good/bad or anything for that matter is through relativity.

how are absolutes meaningless ? Do you honestly believe that ? Also how is god being energy useless? Are you saying in your purest form you are useless ?

And no one is saying you shouldn't have a system of values..you are here to experience. Experience can only happen in the world of the relative ..so the issue is not about the values but the insistence that your values are the Truth.. when the truth is that your values/truths keep changing by the clock .. what was once right to you is now wrong .. so what makes you think your current values are the right one and someone else's wrong..

Ubenedictus: and in a sense both statement are correct.

and they are.. white and black are the same thing..

okeyxyz: What else can an atheist be besides an evolutionist??

well most atheist are.. because they need something to believe in.. but nevertheless atheism should not be a synonym for evolution..one (evolution )is true just not the way it has been explained the other(atheism ) is false.

Richfella: It's hot and it's cold. It's black, and it's white.

Hello big bro .

hey god brother.. how is life

Area_boy: I'm honestly exhausted from pointing out the problems with this crappy story, so I'll just point out the obvious;

Lets start with the basic idea shall we?


Creation of Day and Night "Day" 1
Creation of Heaven (sky) "Day" 2
Creation of the Earth, the Seas, and the Plants "Day" 3
Creation of the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars "Day" 4
Creation of Fishes and Birds [Beginning of Sexual Reproduction] "Day" 5
Creation of Land Animals (Cattle, Insects, Reptiles, Man) "Day" 6
No Further Emergence of Life Forms on Earth / day of rest "Day" 7

now to the issues;

1) we all know day and night is caused by the rotation of our earth about its axis. This also needs the sun to be stationary and fully created while our earth also fully created for Day and night to be possible.

2)kinda vague what they mean by heaven.. I'll help you believers out and say.. "maybe the original thought was lost in translation?". (However, if this is the case, how then can you trust the rest of the story? .. lol discussion for another time)

3) Again, a HUGE number of plants need insects like bees and the lot to help transfer pollen in order to reproduce. SO it is funny to create plants first without this consideration.
A few days ago, a meteor of about a few inches across struck northern Russia and wreaked havoc with only its sonic boom. A day after that, another asteroid about 50m across past within 17,000 miles of our earth. Seeing how common this is, and knowing how often we have been pummeled over time, it is easy to see where most of our water came from. Comets! large balls of ice floating around our solar system. A few of those will surely sort our plumbing right

4) So then he created our sun, moon and stars around the same time?.. wow! what a load of rubbish. We can see galaxies of up to 13 billion light years away while our sun is around 5 billion years old. That makes the sun at least 8 Billion years younger (and please don't give me that thousand years = 1 day bullshit). Remember, there is no measure of "day" without the sun


5) Fish and bird? really? archaeological evidence shows us that fish-like creatures existed millions of years before birds. again, 1000years = 1day?, I'll give you that

6) So after all his confused creation, the then decided to put some land animals (although some amphibious animals must have been doing the magic from water to land just a day earlier (oh wait.. was that a thousand years earlier?? )

7) After it all, he had to kick back, relax, have a beer and feel good with himself (day of rest). All powerful, all knowing, all wonderful, all awesome, all everything god needs to rest? really what a douche


If you genuinely believe this, I'll rank you at the same level with a 5 year old that believes humpty dumpty actually did fall off a wall

so what really is your issue here. You don't believe the 7 day creation story because of its chronologically issues or you outrightly think the universe couldn't have been created in 7 days?

Ubenedictus: I'm thinking of a guy called G.K Chesterton, the guy thought a wise man can accept two truth with what seem to be an apparent contradiction. This post is a good xample an "instant bilion years"

well he is wise man then.. outside of time cause and effect are simultaneous. Inside of it is not or so it seems...most times the truth lies In the apparent contradiction..

For instance Imagine yourself to be rocketing UPWARD to get to outer space, only to find when YOU get there that that you are looking UP at the Earth. Or are you... Maybe you were looking down at the Earth! But then, where would be the the sun?.. Up? Down? ...No! ..Over there, to the left. So now, suddenly, a thing was neither up nor down...it was sideways. . .and all your definitions of reality as you know it thus disappears .. And you would have to come up with new definitions.

It never occurs to people (except to the finest and wise minds among us) that a thing could be both right and wrong..that only in the relative world are things one or the other. In the world of the absolute, of time-no time, all things are everything...

Ubenedictus: Hahaha, u arrive at ur conclusion becos u have refused to differentiate God from d expression of his "thought/wisdom". I think about humans flythat is thought! I make a plane, that is d expression of my thought! D expression of my though d plane isnt me! U are an expression of divine thought that doesnt make u God!

you still have refused to get it/remember ....but I will try one more time...why and how in God's name would you differentiate the thoughts from the expression .. it is the same thing .. you are your thoughts.. God is thought..God is Energy. Thought is energy come together. Form/word is thought expressed.. is the thought and the form it takes shapes In not one and the same?

Put another way since you correctly understand God to be energy...when energy takes on form and becomes matter has it has the energy stopped existing?.. is matter and energy really not the same thing? Matter is coalesced energy..elements come together vibrating at a lower speed.. energy in " slow motion".. it is energy in-formation ( energy information)..nothing has changed except energy taking on a form..

Now on you analogy yes the plane is YOU.. you are what you create..but since you still living in the illusion and see the need to differentiate and separate yourself from All That Is, I will explain..

God is all there is. There is Nothing else. Energy is all there is.. everything both seen and unseen is the totality of God..it is not possible for God to create anything outside of itself. There is nothing else outside of itself..to create the plane God would have to use a part of himself to create the new expression/plane...

If you were all there was and no one or anything else but you, you would have to "create" your plane from a part of you..Thus the Creator becomes the created..I hope you now understand the saying everything that exists has existed and will exist ..That's why it is also said that you are an expression of God.. the father and the son are one and the same.. these are all very advanced concept so I would understand if you still don't get it.

.hahaha, ok i'll let this slide.

believe me I made the right observation about you. You truly don't understand what or who God is..

u see what i said earlier u have refuse to diff. D thought from d expression! I existed as a devine thought or idea, an idea that has alway existed! But it is only in time dat that thought is expressed as a living conscious being.

lol how do you differentiate you thoughts from your expression.. your expressions are your thoughts. You are what you think and express. Thoughts are energy and your " being " is energy expressed.. it doesn't matter if you were expressed during time as you know it or prior to time, you have always existed as thought/energy/God and will always exist as such irrespective of current form.

i can agree with this.

well good.. we getting somewhere

this i cant agree with. This is just a good excuse to idolatry. Creation isnt divine essence but divine xpression,

why can't you agree.. and what is what I wrote anything to do with idolatry. Why must you or feel the need to worship another.. that's ignorance because you know not who you really are..

hahaha, God is pure energy if i may use that term, he isnt man and doesnt need to create from something! He instead creates ex nihilo, i.e out of nothing. By his word he causes his idea to take form.

hahaha back at cha .. you obviously have a while to go. What do you think something and nothing are ? But no need to repeat myself here.. I asked you to think about my simple question deeply and its obvious you didn't get deep enough..go back read my question, understand it and from everything I have uttered so far, try again

snthesis: now lets look at scientific evidence (which by the way i dont approve) can the Atheist/evolutionist disprove the creation sequence as recorded in the bible i.e. starting with the world being without form, and ending with the creation of man.

see herein lies the problem. You don't and won't approve the evidence even as it is staring you in the face but you expect them to approve your story..In your world if you are right then they must be wrong right ?

Why exactly do you not approve of the universe or earth for that matter being billions of years old? ...and why put atheist/ evolutionist together ? Is atheist now a synonym for evolutionist?

When I saw that post @ifeness made I was going to correct him but I had a busy day and had no desire for a discussion..

The funny thing about this whole back and forth between creationist and evolutionist about the timeline is that they both are right.. it is all relative. Life evolved through a series of steps in a blink of an eye that we now call billions

God created the universe in a blink of am eye, in one holy instant just as the creationist say and they are right .. and it came about in a series of process of evolution taking billions of billions of what we now call years just also as the evolutionist claim .. its all a matter of perspective ...and It all happened In one holy blink of "instantbillions"- I hope that's a word

my point is both are right but I understand also that In a world of the relative and with humans one thing must always be right while another wrong... So sometimes you just have to leave people alone..

martinseme: seek after the truth and it shall all be layed bared to you. if you have ever heard the saying that we are in last days ,then know that we really are in the last days when all have been exposed for those who yearn to be saved.

I am not speaking up for the delusional atheist but you obviously need the deliverance more than they do at this point.. your ignorance is at a peak right now...


Sometimes when I read certain comments I just shake my head..I honestly think its time for me to stop coming to this side of the forum...

martinseme: mr low brain logic boy and other sinners like u i wonder what the devil has promised you that makes you work so tirelessly to capture souls for him, i just want to assure you that when you die(thats if you are not right now a marauding evil spirit) God will hand you over to satan and he will laugh at you and subject you to the worst cruel punishment you can ever endure.its really amusing to imagine how ugly your face will be as you lament in anguish knowing that its the same satan you work for is the one tormenting you so mercilessly. be rest assured that its not God and His angels that would live with you in hell but satan and his subordinate demons. But above all i wish you come to your senses and repent to save yourself before its late.

are you alright god brother?

ifeness: God doesn't exist .

really? how did you come to that conclusion?

Ubenedictus: no, i dont agree, i only existed as a divine "thought" not as a "substance" or being.

go read my post again i said you have always-all-ways existed..this is a fact..i was not talking about form but essence..form is an illusion.. you dont or cant agree becuase you dont truly understand or know who God is..

there is really nothing like a new "creation". just God or energy taking on different forms..everything that exists has existed and will exist.( as you have been told there is nothing new under the sun).. if you existed as a devine thought as you rightly claimed then you have always existed.. your current "existence" or being is thought expressed BUT your true nature or essence is not your current existence..

thought has always existed..God is thought/consciouness. what religions denotes as God the father is actually thought. God the father or thought is the first level of creation. nothing exists in this universe that did not first exist as pure thought. The process of creation starts with thought or "God the father"( an idea,conception)..next comes the word or what religion again have chosen to call "God the son"..everything you say is thought expressed.. the son is the father expressed..jesus understood this divine truth perfectly why he said truths like " i and the father are one" " if you have seen me you have seen the father"

next comes action or the "holy spirit".actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. forces are elements existent.elements(YHWH the name of your "creator" are elements.. more on that later) are particles of God, portions of All, the stuff of every thing.

do you see where i am going with this..i could have answered your contention simply but in painting this picture i hope for you and others to clearly understand the whole God concept..

you have always existed.. you are God made man..thought or the father expressed. " in the beginning was the word and the word was with "God" and the word was God".. this verse was not talking about only jesus as your religious elite will have you believe.. everyone is an expression of the one God..

there is no one else beside God in d begining.

good.. if there is none or anything else beside God in the beginning then from what did God use to "create" you with?.. this is a simple question but i want you to think about this deeply god brother becuase herein lies the start of your true understanding/remembrance of God.

Ubenedictus: this is very heavy polytheism. One i practically and entirely reject.

why do you practically reject it. the truth is everything is God/energy/consciouness.. you are God in flesh..

Ubenedictus: the truth is b4 we were created, God was, so he does have a distinct existence.

by the bolded you have shown your lack of undestanding of the God concept..before you were "created", you was. you have always existed and will always exist, eternally..

but lets go with your flow and ask you this question..is there anything or someone else beside God..do you believe God is all there was in the beginning and nothing else?

^^^^ take your incoherent brainwashed stuff somewhere.. what are the laws that god gave..do you know what a law is? Do you have any idea what freewill is..do you understand what unconditional love entails? You make a mockery of God son.. wake up