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obadiah777: WORSHIPPING GOD IS NOT A RITUAL. YOU WORSHIP GOD WHEN YOU TREAT OTHERS HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED BECAUSE IN GODS IMAGE WAS EVERYONE MADE

well if you put it like that.. but this begs the question what really is your definition of worship..

You are right about created in the image thing but understand that treating another as you want to be treated should have nothing to do with worshipping God.. you're in effect saying that not treating others as yourself means you are not worshipping God.. But the point is God needs no worship of any kind ... There is a reason why you should treat others as you would want to be treated and it has nothing or little to do with worshipping God..

obadiah777: LOL DUNNO WHAT DO MAKE OF YOUR POST BRUV. HOWEVER SOME STRONG POINTS IN IT.

glad you see the points in my post even though you seem not what to make of it.. but I only speak the truth god brother. You don't have to believe it though ...

And yes you are right about the need not to follow/worship the being you call jesus..now if you have come to this revelation it will also do you well to stop worshipping God as well because he doesn't need or wants it..

ATMC: From your post i deduced you're a cross bearer...i see

a cross bearer? What exactly do you mean and for who do I bear this cross for... BTW you didn't answer my questions about your Lord..

ATMC: Lol...ehhh! Ok o! D lord knows them dt are his. D holy spirit leads me into all truth. So until he convinces me, you labour in vain @greatgenius

ok so let's have a little discussion.." D lord knows them that are his?" So this lord of yours is divisive and has an all exclusive club huh..BTW Who is this lord that you speak of..does your lord love unconditionally?..is your lord omnipotent as well? ..

BTW I don't think you have any idea what the holy spirit is because I tell you what anyone who is utilizing the Who-lly spirit will definetly see no need to worship another being let alone see the need for religion..

And no I do not labor in vain god sister... I am not here to convince or convert anyone to anything- neither will I infringe on anyone freewill to believe whatever they choose to... I am a "messenger" and my sole(soul) purpose is to deliver the message and have you reason/think about your limiting beliefs.. What you do with the message is solely up to you. Either way my duty would have been discharged..

ATMC: This is contrary to his words to peter. If we aint supposed to follow him why then did he tell peter 'follow me'. Again, he says he's d way to d father and that nobody comes to d father except by him jesus...paul says follow me as i follow christ, even paul did d 'following'...by the way, how can one follow jesus outside of d word of god? You err bruv

1. The man jesus didn't ask you to follow him-,as in worship his every move like Christians do- he only sought to have you follow his words. Follow his examples. " Ye are gods. Sons and daughters of the creator, he said , anything I can do you can as well. But if you don't and can't believe this fact or in yourselves/abilities as gods who can by faith do and have anything ,then follow me- words/deeds/example etc- .. and Through me, by following my example ,words etc you will get to heaven/self actualization .. follow my example and you will be saved- from sin/ignorance .. follow me and you will find peace- and end the suffering etc etc..

He never ever asked to be worshipped or even revered. Jesus is god. But he is god just like everyone of us..he was god made man, but so is everyone of us.. he attained self actualization while in physicality and so can you( you can follow your own path- the best option- or follow his example if there need be )...

2. The whole i am the way to the father and no one comes to the father except through me mantra has been misunderstood or should I say misinterpreted for glaringly obvious reasons by Christians( but thats for another day).. nevertheless what i am going to do is reveal/ break down something very basic(imo) to you and hopefully lead you to the core of what jesus actually meant...

So here it is..
a) the kicker is, what most Christians actually denote as God the father is THOUGHT - the first level of creation..it is from THoUght or the father, where all things come.. nothing is ever created without it first originating from the father - it is impossible

a) the SON is actually word/words or The word.. the word/son is THOUGHT/ father expressed. the begotten son of the father /thought .. so God the son is the word- no disputing this since most Christians already know this- except they erroneously only associate jesus as the WORD.

C) the so called holy spirit is deeds or action.. actions are words moving or words in motion- the power of the word or the manifestation of the word/ son( there is where you get the whole " and the word/son became flesh..."...

The three levels or process of creation is the holy trinity- father, son and holy spirit ...

So what was jesus really saying? Well how do you get to the father.. how do you get to know the thoughts of someone. How do you know someone's intents/thoughts dreams/goals, image-nation, fears etc ? .. you discern or know by listening to their son/words or action/deeds-

So yes he was and is right- no one gets to the father except through the son. If you have seen the son, then you have seen the father..the son and the father are one and the same..

These are not esoteric truths but basic truths that the enlightened being you call jesus was teaching...

@OP I am not an atheist but your argument is flawed especially your first and last point. You are not going to win any "intelligent " atheist over with these sort and line of argument..

BTW I also don't see the incessant need of religion to prove the existence of God to atheists. Not necessary. Is it perhaps because religion like atheists have a distorted view about God? It appears religion doesn't fully - or should I say refuse to- know and understand the nature and essence of God(the very thing/being they sought ti teach others about).

There is no need to prove something that is self evident. The very second you sought out to prove something exist means there is/was a possibility that it didn't/doesn't exist.

starluckwhiz: Thankz God blez dis is a way a good christian have to behave nt like d penticostal dt claimz dey no d bible more than the non pentecostal

i am not sure i follow your point but i am neither a christian or religious

Ishilove: I am shaking my head at your disheartening ignorance

what is actually disheartening ignorance is one who believes someone outside of themselves(his wife in this case) is out to "destroy" their lives and the ignorants like you in support of it.

These are excerpts of a dialogue i had with a nairalander(name withheld). decided to post it here for others to read and contribute as well..

Well personally I believe there is God, but I think the religious folks are worshipping him based on what they think he is and not what he really is. Your explanation on who or what God is makes more sense to me. I often wonder why one should go to church everyday praying for the same issue over and over again. Some spend their life time praying on the same issue. Is God deaf?

yes you are right, religion and humans worship God based on what they think he is and not WHO/WHAT HE REALLY IS. they incorrectly assume how they act should be how God acts. how they love should be how God should love. if their love is based on a condition then God love should be based on a condition as well. they judge and condemn themselves and others so they cannot imagine a God that will not do same. they cannot believe in a God that is all inclusive, one that loves all unconditionally-no matter what. from where did people/humans/religion got this idea from?(a concept of God who condemns and punishes). well from the only people whose word they would take on everything- mothers and fathers-( gods of their world)

Our parents are the people who love us the most and we love the most. Yet have they not told us that we are too much of this, and not enough of that? Have they not reminded us that you are to be seen and not heard? Have they not scolded us in some of the moments of our greatest exuberance? And, do they not encourage us to set aside some of our wildest imagining and dreams? These are the messages we have all received, and though they do not meet the criteria, and are thus not messages from God, they might as well have been, for they have come from the gods/parents of our world surely enough.

you see it is parents who "teaches" us that love is conditional—we have felt their conditions many times—and that is the experience people take into thier various love relationships. It is also the same experience they/you bring to God..From this experience people/religion draw their conclusions about GOD. and thus believe and say stuff like “ well God is a loving God, but if you break His commandments, He will punish you with eternal banishment and everlasting damnation.” For have people/humans not experienced the banishment of their own parents? Do you not know and remember the pain of their damnation? Do we not remember the pain of their beatings for disobedience?. How, then, could people imagine it to be any different with GOD? Do you see where the concept of a conditional loving God comes from?

people have forgotten what it was like to be loved without condition. humans don not re-member the experience of the love of God-especially after the "fall" from our edenic state. And so people or creators of religion try to imagine what God’s love must be like, based on what they see of love in the world.. Religion have projected the role of “parent” onto God, and have thus come up with a God Who judges and rewards or punishes, based on how good he feels about what you’ve been up to. But this is a simplistic view of God and It has nothing to do with who she/he/it IS..

God is simply the CREATOR...


Further I am not comfortable with the diversity of the church, it makes me feel that God is a God of confusion if I must followed the religious folks.
But still I wonder, where did the concept of hell come from?

again the concept is based on what people see in their world. people have constructed laws to govern themselves and believe those who break the laws of the land should be punished and as such also believe anyone who disobey God must/will as well be punished. i tell you what most people will find it hard to believe that Hitler went to heaven.

Why are people so sure, I mean very sure it exist?
well because "hell" "exist" in their world and have experienced it so they imagine it must exist in the spiritual realm.. let me put it this way. you create your reality and all things are possible so anyone who believes hell exist will surely experience their construct of hell as they imagined it. but not becuase God sent them there for disobedience. there is no such place.

Why are some of the biblical predictions concerning the end time coming to pass

i am glad you said some and not all. that should tell you something. but again simply put you create your reality, and what you believe in is what you experience. believes create realities. all experiences are based on believes. there are an infinite possible futures and outcomes. what you choose and believe is what you will experience. if you believe and think the world is coming to an end then it will surely end for you. if humans believe believe there will be Armageddon then they will surely experience it.

What is 666 and why is it related to obama’s health chip soon to be lunched. I must be honest most of the bible’s predictions concerning the end time are unfolding before my very eyes

there has been a lot of ignorance and misunderstanding about 666. 666 is your 6th chakra turned upside down or using it "negative" energies.. it refers to your third eye/pineal gland/6th sense/psychic sense.. 666 is when your conscious mind(left brain/hemisphere), 3rd eye/pineal gland and unconscious mind(right brain/hemisphere) is "split" and not working in unison. when you are stuck in polarization/relativity and deep in the illusion of separation and thus see yourself as separate from everyone else and God you do destructive things. you do not love another, as yourself or even love yourself. you destroy instead of loving. you become an anti-christ or anti-love. we are all destructive on ddifferent levels. the more power you have the greater your potential for love or destruction. why people in "power" are pointed at as being the anti-christ(anti-love).

the truth is all people are anti-christ on some level until you heal or step away from the illusion of separation..when the mind is balanced and you step away from the illusion of separation 666 becomes 9(6+6+6=18;1+8=9), the number of completion/perfection. when you seek a balanced mind where your conscious, unconscious mind and third eye is in unison. there is nothing you cannot do. when your soul, mind and body work in unison everything becomes effortless, devoid of struggle and suffering.. "seek ye first the kingdom of God and all other things shall be added unto you.. the kingdom of God is a state of mind where everything is at peace and there is nothing but love. it is from the vortex of love that you get everything that you seek and want.

Pastor Olu T: The bible is the most valid and accurate book ever written, it talks about the past present and future which all is unfolding just as stated, so if you have other views concerning the bible, share it.

dude the bible is no where near the most valid and accurate ever written. you have the liberty and freewill as a volitional creature to believe in anything you choose but please desist from thinking the bible is the most accurate book ever written.. And just so you know i am not an atheist.

Ishilove: Smh

shaking your head to what in particular? your ignorance or what?

Lol@ Wiegraf yea it was. We did good. "Failure" was not an option we closed it out. And no I am not omnipotent YET.( not in physicality ) besides you don't have to be omnipotent to strive for success

^^^ lol @ Wiegraf and his name calling. How you been god brother

newloaded: Ever since i got married to my wife things have taken a down-turn in all aspects of my life .I now sleep to have funny dreams,nightmares ;waking up to see different scratches all over my body as opposed to how i was before the wedding .I discovered things have just been falling apart and business arent just picking up.I lost my banking job and my business is at its lowest ebb.So many prophets have pin pointed my woes to my wife ,saying she belongs to the marine kingdom and shes in my life to render me to nothing and thereafter destroy me and signs to confirm this i have witnessed on several occasions.
I would like to know if this actually happens or is it just some fairy tales that should be jettisoned?If it is,what options do i have ?Do i seek for her deliverance or simply separate from her ?What if she doesnt want to be delivered ?what should i do?
Opinions and please no insults .

no being here or anywhere has power over anyone or you unless you think otherwise.. if you think you are powerless then so it shall be.. your life ie going downhill not because of your wife but because of your actions and beliefs.. I will advice you to stop shifting the blame and start taking responsibility for your actions..

Change your beliefs and wrong thinking and all will be well with you.. you need no pastor or priest for this. Stop projecting your repressed emotions and fears on your wife and face them... Nightmares are usually unresolved repressed fears and memories playing out in the dream world..

Pastor Olu T: Hell is real, u might be thinking every1 knows dat so what, not every1 know dat as a fact n also not every1 live with d consciousness. I would b talking 4m d scriptures, luke 16:19-31 d story of Lazarus n d rich man pls read, i would nt want 2 quote 'cos of d lenght.
Many says dat dis is just a parable n dat Hell do not exist. 4 us 2 know dat dis is more dan a parable, Jesus mentioned real life xters n when u r just telling a story u dont mention real life xters. Another thing is dat it was said its a place of torment, so Hell is not just a grave as many believe. Lastly what i would want 2 look @ is dat d rich man actually wanted his brothers warned dat they might not come there, so some ppl r on their way 2 Hell.
Hell is real, some r actually there right now while some r on their way there, bt d interesting thing is dat its a journey u dont have 2 make.
Accept Jesus right now as ur Lord n personal savior n b saved. Repent n b saved

hell is real because you say so...but there is no such thing as a place called hell...

Also jesus did not come to save you from hell- it doesn't exist , he came in order that you might be saved from the ignorance which you are obviously as evident from this thread still exhibiting.. he came to save you from sin/ignorance in order that you might get to heaven- self actualization.. heaven and hell are all state of minds..

wiegraf: Same here... Good luck with your project god oga

thanks brother atheist man.. And you as well..

wiegraf: Are you willing to pay for the book I'd have to write?

lol well if you need me too, then yes I will...I am going to be busy this week due to an upcoming project so if it is a long debate you seek then I won't be able to fully participate .. but will definetly read and discuss with you as time permits..

Alfamann: See ya, and stop worshipping four letter words.

where exactly did you see me write or say i worship anything...have i not told you that I and the father are one.. that i am God..and that ye are all also gods. sons and daughters of the most high.. step out of the ignorance brother.. shalom

that might have being my last post you guys have fun

anonymoux: I never said their are no truths in the bible. I said it is full of lies - okay?
And i never said, Jehovah. the person that created me has only one name I HAVE SAID IT TIME WITHOUT NUMBER
and his name is GOD and God means MY CREATOR

are you alright brother..you said the bible is "full of lies" and then proceed with "I don't believe a single poo in that book".. what is i don't believe a single poo in that book means to you lol..so the bible is full of lies and you dont believe a single poo in that book, yet you think there might be some truth in it and still decided to not believe a single poo? lol whaat? how did i even get on this thread..

here is another one from you.."Same book even said Jehovah is the name of "the creator"... emphasis on the and book( bear in mind the book were written by people).. and so i replied with "so people saying jehovah is your creator..." do you get it now. so i wasn't in any sense claiming you said personally that Jehovah is your creator. i made the response based on your statement.

but you if want to hear it from my mouth yes jehovah/yahweh/YHWH is your creator..it makes no difference if you believe it or not

anonymoux: Guy, that book you are talking about AKA the bible is so so full of lie...
I don't believe a single shit in that book. That is why it is impossible to proof that Yahweh
exist, the said book said there are so many Baal, Yahweh, Alpha, Omega, I am, and so on.

Same book even said Jehovah is the name of "the creator". Whatever, and the same book sadly enough is so full of lies..

the bible is highly distorted doesnt mean there are no truths in it..most books are highly distorted dont mean there are no truths in them..jehovah, yahweh, are all shortened or bastardized version of YOD/HE/WAV/HE(YHWH).. so people saying jehovah is your creator dont make no difference..

Alfamann: Before you continue showing your ignorance through insults, please go and read the books about Yahweh. Bible, Torah, etc. YHWH was really worried and pissed off about Baal. He told Abraham to marry his sister. He told Hosea to go and marry a prostitute. Are not talking about the biblical Yahweh? Which one are you talking about? Please describe him for us.

did you really read what i wrote and understand it.. i will post it again read it slowly this time.. an no need to go read the books that you posted i have read them countless times.. maybe you should go read them with an open mind hopefully you will pick out the truth from the false..the chaff from the wheat and learn something.. below is my post again read the bolded slowly..

you are truely the dumbest atheist i have encountered in my whole life.. are these your reasons for being an atheist. you really are delusional...dude anyone or a group of people/society doing things and ascribing it to YHWH in no way makes it true or that YHWH actually instructed them to do it..an omnipotent being does not instruct or lacks nothing..he is simply the creator.. people do that all the time..both equally "crazy" and good things are done in the name of God.. doesn't mean God actually asked them to.. your ignorance is appalling..

however this is not why you are here. you are here to disprove the existence of YHWH or any other god..SO do that or shut up.. like i told you, you are free to believe in whatever you want..if being an atheist serves you then so be it..but again it will do you good to do something about your ignorance..

sacostyles: Men r different from women. Period!
(No pun intended)

and your point?..so they should not be treated fairly?..does being different stop one from being a human..no one is exactly the same. we are all different..even within the male supgroup everyone is different and unique..doesnt mean they should not be treated fairly.. being treated fairly is not the same thing as being treated same or equal... this is what some of you don't get..no one should strive for equality lest you lose your identity/uniqueness.... it is not possible for us all to be treated same or equally because we are all different and unique..what you like might not be what another likes.. but what women seeks(though they have it backwards as most humans do) and everyone should seek is fairness..

Alfamann: No man. You invented a god and called it YHWH. Your yahweh doesn't sound anything like the real omnimpotent yahweh that couldn't sleep because of Baal. The great yahweh that order people to sleep with their sister or to leave their wives and marry prostitutes. Is this your god? Please confirm.

you are truely the dumbest atheist i have encountered in my whole life.. are these your reasons for being an atheist. you really are delusional...dude anyone or a group of people/society doing things and ascribing it to YHWH in no way makes it true or that YHWH actually instructed them to do it..an omnipotent being does not instruct or lacks nothing..he is simply the creator.. people do that all the time..both equally "crazy" and good things are done in the name of God.. doesn't mean God actually asked them to.. your ignorance is appalling..

however this is not why you are here. you are here to disprove the existence of YHWH or any other god..SO do that or shut up.. like i told you, you are free to believe in whatever you want..if being an atheist serves you then so be it..but again it will do you good to do something about your ignorance..

sacostyles: Pls shutup w this crap b/c it's not even worthy of feminism. Nobody sets these "rules." They r observed patterns and adopted ways of life.

lol what is not even worthy of feminism.. i am in no way supporting feminism here.. go read my post again..

@bolded did you really just say nobody sets the rules and then proceeded to add that follow up..lol.. obviously you are not conversant with the topic at hand..

pleep: lol... i haven't eaten her out yet so who knows the status of her hymen. And I don't see what all this has to do with ego... simply my number #1 turn on in women is innocense and purity.

.... its the hight of feminity, sorry you don't get to enjoy it

Every single girl i have long term dated has been a proven virgin so i ain't too worried

i havent followed the whole thread but do you see how hypocritical these bolded statements are.. you expect innocense and purity from your woman and then go on to state that every single girl you have ever dated has been a proven virgin.. shouldnt the women that you deflowered have expected the same standards from you... or in your world it is the right thing for women to be virgins and the men shouldn't be held to same standards..

dBard: I can't believe we still on this..
Women n guys r biologically n psychologically different in their make ups. Men are visually oriented while women on the other hand, are more emotionally oriented, n so it's easier f guys t be tempted by wat we see while d sisters get tempted with something that strikes an emotional chord within them.
The Pride of a Woman Is HER CHASTITY, the same way d pride of a Man is HIis ABILITY TO PROVIDE N CATER F HIS FAMILY N LOVED ONES..

why should chastity hold true for a woman and not for the man?..who is setting the rules..btw saying it is easier for guys to be tempted than females is just plain foolery and nothing but a vague excuse..

failure t do so makes u an object of mockery.Also, if yin d process of doing so u put ur fingers into illegal ish, due t temptations, den u r culpable. Society doesn't expect women t b sexy, it expects women not t b Ashamed of Their Sexuality, this doesn't mean u should go dressing slutty, but within d bounds of decency.

did you think about the bolded before actaully uttering it.. understand that telling someone you don't expect them to be sexy is the same thing as asking them to be ashamed of their sexuality.. dont you see the hypocrisy and the contradiction..

Sexual expression should b done within d loving boundaries of a proper relationship. If u chose, under d guise of bin Liberal or Carefree, t do otherwise, then You Are responsible f d way society views you.
5 temptations a day IS NO EXCUSE f anybody t give as to why u couldn't kip ur legs closed

don't you think this should also hold true for guys as well..

Saying we should understand it is an Endorsement of Promiscuity. A girl that sleeps wit more than 3 guys a year, has a problem with saying No. If u have a high libido, then get someone of like nature n ride on. what about a guy that sleeps with more than 3 women in a year. if you hold that view shouldnt it hold true for guys as well..if i may ask how many woman do you sleep with in a year?
This crap about double standards doesn't hold water. Not endorsing promiscuity in guys. Double standards mean both parties r bio n psych d same, n we all knw it's not [/b]so.
everybody is equal in d eyes of God based on our choices.
[b]THERE ARE NO DOUBLE STANDARDS, THERE'S SIMPLY RIGHT AND WRONG..

again using the bio and psych drivel are nothing but excuses..come up with something better..it is double standard no matter how you spin it..i am keeping my responses short because i see a lot of ignorance in your write up..

at bolded who gets to set this right and wrong..One of the biggest hindrance and the reason for the snail-like evolution of humans is the issue with PROPRIETY.. it is the reason why humans are still uncivilized.. understand that there is no such thing as right and wrong..you have made that all up..

^^^brother man stop this we passed that stage already. you asked for my god. i gave you the creator God YHWH(yahweh for short)..what else do you want..if you cant walk the talk lets all talk about something else and stop this back and forth foolery..

Ihedinobi: And here I was thinking that logicboy is the dumbest guy on nairaland.

lol..logicboy just has a problem with thinking deep and have the tendency to look at things from one angle becuase of his one track mind.. but this man right here shouldn't even be compared to logicboy...This man is lost in the vast abyss of ignorance and seriously needs to free himself from its grasp at least for his sake..

frank3.16:
@greatgenius,
i will like to have an email conversation with u, this is my email xtfranks005@yahoo.com pls contact me soonest

i sent you an email

Alfamann: I think you should read the op again. Tell me which god. Is that too hard to understand? But anyway thanks for your effort because you are the only one that came close to telling me about a known god even though you later confused yourself by redefinning Yahweh, thus proving him inexistent.

are you always this dense or you are trolling..

Your very OP said to tell you which God or name a God and you are going to prove she or he or it non existent, which I obliged and named YHWH..what else do you need.. All you have done is ask meaningless questions and danced around like a native American shaman priest without uttering a single meaningful statement, at least as pertains to the reason for this discourse .ie proving the inexistent of YHWH..

BTW I have not redefined YHWH. I only told you his true nature.. either way that shouldn't stop you from your job at hand or magically render her inexistent as you are claiming .. just say you woke up on the wrong side of the bed decided to start a thread and really not conversant with the topic at hand instead of this meaningless drivel that you're engaging in ...

As a sentient volitional creature, you have the freewill to believe in anything you deem fit.. But it will do you well to not follow the crowd blindly but instead think for yourself or reason things out to its core if you could before jumping to conclusions.. don't come here shouting I can prove or disprove this or that and not be conversant with the very thing you set out to prove or disprove .. peace god brother ..have a good day..

Alfamann: I thought I was getting somewhere with you but your half hearted non-answers are becoming tiresome.

Let me try again. Please confirm the following statement: "greatgenuis believes in Yahweh, the one and only god, that loves the smell of burning animals and is jealous of other gods and requires that you be killed if you worship other gods even though he is the one and only god"

they are not half hearted non- answers..you are just not up to par and your ignorance is revealing and appalling..

Now to your question.. what YHWH loves or dislikes has and should not stop your ability( if you have one.. you have failed thus far.) to disprove his/her/it existence .. oH and the bible is not the central authority on the attributes, essence and nature of Yahweh...

I think you should read the title of your thread again..You set out to prove that God does not exist and I am afraid so far you have failed miserably...
But I digress. For your sake and others I am going to answer your questions..
1. Yes I believe in Yahweh .. he is my creator..
2. No he is not the only and one god.. but he is a part of the one infinite creator like us all. She is part of all that is..you could say he Is All that is... Yahweh is a creator god. There are many creator gods..
3. Yahweh doesn't need your worship or needs sacrificing of any kinds of animals or humans..
4. He is not jealous of any other god or deity and neither does he ask for head if you worship any other god..there is no need to worship her or any other God..

I think this will do for now.. I now employ you to stick to the OP and disprove the existence of YHWH .. Don't ask anymore meaningless questions..