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wiegraf: Do you think any of these 'sins' (depending on perspective) are crimes or no? Non-religious reasons only pls, saying "because god" begs the question and that's not what this is for specifically. It's still related to religion of course as I want to see if y'all can give logical, cogent reasons that have nothing to do with religion (or tradition even) to justify classifying these as crimes. Of course, it's open to anyone, even atheists will have they're own individual stances.

You'll notice the lack of homosexuality, it's been done to death so we can ignore that for now. 3 is silly, I know, but I'll just leave it there.

My answer to all these is no. Edit: Simply because they're victimless.

If you can think of any other crimes that classify as victimless, or any other sins that should be crimes, lemme know.

Go

1. Narcotics

2. Bestiality

3. Blasphemy

4. Polygamy (both ways)

Good post to get people to think BUT Definitions and rules define life in games..ambiguity and vagueness leads no where..you have introduced three key words. "sin" , "crime" and "victimless" of which the "game" to be played revolves around without defining them.. if you want to be engaged properly and logically then im afraid you have to define your terms.

Affiliated: greatgenius your words always resonate within my spirit. I'm really enjoying your argument/case

well i am glad it resonates god brother.. it is time for people to awake from their fear based religious dogmas.. religion have done enough harm. its turning people away from God instead of to it.

okeyxyz: 100% means I have the complete spirit of god. Not in measures.

This is an arrogant statement borne out of ignorance. this is the problem with religion, it destroys and dis-unifies. everyone thinks their version of God is the real one..
claiming to have the complete spirit of God as a 100% christian suggests that non Christians do not have the complete spirit. how can that be when all were created in the image and likeness of God.. you just admitted and rightly so not long ago that humans are God made man and yet you believe to be 100% christian is to have the complete spirit of God. well i tell you god brother everyone and all things have the complete sporit of God in them.

We yet don't know the true nature of hell. And frankly, I just know that every work has it's "rewards". I'd never bothered much about hell as an afterlife phenomenon because I consider this real life more important and determinant than the one to come, and heaven and hell starts here. As the scripture says: You are rewarded according to your works, both here and in the afterlife(if it comes).

1.every work has it "rewards" is the same thing as saying you get what you put in; or you reap what you sow. it is about cause and effect.. about consequences. a natural outcome. it has nothing to do with the christian version of hell, a place of eternal damnation..any christian that has the capacity to think and ask questions will tell you that the concept of hell does not make sense. it doesnt make sense and actually foolish for an ominpotent, omniscient and omnipresent God which is everything and all things to "punish" eternally some part of himself.. he is only punishing himself and no one else.. falsely contrived dogmas such as these are the reason why most people asking questions turns into agnostics and to the extreme end atheist. as it turns out relighon has done more harm than Good to your species. it is time for humanity to go back to spirituality.

2. And yes heaven and earth starts here. in fact it is right here on your earth. but the only thing real is heaven because "hell" does not exist. like darkness, hell is an illusion.so step out of the darkness and let your light obliterate it.

God is a spirit. Spirit means mindset, principle, character, value-system, behavior. So to worship means to behave according to your mindset and when you exercise the mindset of god then you are god.

ok stop playing semantics you know exactly what i meant by "worship"..but speaking of mindset i got news for you, you are always exercising the mindset of a god. always(all-ways )You are God. we all are.. if to worship means to behave according to "your mindset", then i tell you what you have a "lower" mindset because you worship another. it time to step into a higher consciousnesses.. but since you dodged my question i will tell you this. anyone or deity that has the need or demand for you WORSHIP means they lack something..think about this for a minute because most of you make a mockery of God.
Understand that anyone with absolute power lacks nothing. ABSOLUTE POWER DEMANDS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.God is absolutely EVERYTHING and therefore, wants, needs and demands absolultey NOTHING. thats the true nature of God. any relighon or person that tells you God needs your worship or belief and disobeying means eternal damnation for you is serving a false God. and also lying to you.

Is there a spirit of God? yes! Is there a contrary spirit? Yes!! So there is a devil(person or people who exercise this spirit)

There is one spirit.The spirit of God. in the world of the relative there is only Love and Fear. everything is a derivative of these two. what you have chosen to call "God" is the love and fear the "devil". love and fear are the extreme ends of the same thing. The positive and negative is really the same thing. jsut as black and white is the same thing. it is only black or white depending on the perspective or the angle of perception..

It depends on what you mean.
He is the only son of god, in that the principle he established is the only true principle of god.

wrong. jesus is the son of God but he is not the only son of God. we are all sons of God..Christ is God made Man. He is simply not the only man made of God. we are all God made man. jesus or yahshua reached the highest state of Godhood or self actualization while on earth BUT he is simply not the only one to reach that highest state. your destiny and humanity destiny is to get to that highest state like Jesus and others did and you cannot not reach there.
There are many many paths. and jesus path is not the only true path.

No! We are equal, in quality and quantity.

good.. yet you think jesus established principles are the only true principles. what about your principles? i am trying to have you think here so it will be better to suspend all your religious dogmas and beliefs for a second.

okeyxyz: 100-percent christian .

what does a 100% Christian mean.

Questions
1. If you are truly a "Christian" then why do you believe in hell
2.if you also believe that Man is God in flesh then why the need to worship "him"..
3. Why do you believe a devil exist
4. Is jesus the only "son" of God
5. Is jesus more powerful or should say " special" than you

I am asking these simple questions without giving much away to see where you stand as a " Christian ".. And then we can discuss from there..

okeyxyz: Why do you build an aeroplane if not that you ambitions to fly? why do you build houses if not that you have need for shelter and comfort? So take this as my answer: God created man because he wants to be man.

Yes!! Na me talk am.

Good. So you agree then that man is God in flesh... good you are on the right path..

Now are you a Christian because if you are a Christian and you believe that man is God in flesh then I have some questions for you..

Kay 17: I'd assume you are not a christian, or at least the typical christian.

Punishment is preceded by a Command, hence the existemce of hell presumes a command.

if by "christian" you mean religious then i am not one..and why did you assume i am a christian. what makes one a christian in your world.

okeyxyz: Bros.., You shouldn't throw logic out of the window just because you wanna score points against a "religious" person. But this!! religious person is one badazz!! mofo!! and you are gonna need loads and loads of logic-gymming to match-up to him

But to set you off, answer me this: Is any purpose without value-systems? The fact there is a purpose already forms a value-system on it's own, as both words derive from eachother. I'm baffled that you are unable to grasp this fundamental "given". The word: Creator already is a purpose on its own, therefore it has processes for creating or a "system\value-system" for creating.

As to why a creator must have a will and personality, By calling him creator, have you not just personified him? Now does it still make sense to ask: "why must the creator have a will and a personality?"

Now let's establish something so what exactly is the creators value/ system in creating the universe or humans in this case ..want to see where you are going with this ..

Kay 17: ^^

"Obedience is better than sacrifice"

says who..they are both not better

"Thou shall not put any Gods before me"

defenitely not a statement from the creator

"Follow me cos I'm the way, the truth and the light"

how is this a command

Mosiac laws etc.

exactly. mosaic laws. not God laws or commands. God does not have or give commands.

^^^^ long post with some nice points here and there but permit me to help you here a little because your foundation is all wrong and thus negates all your points.. you are mixing two unrelated truths or concepts here. consequences are just that. consequences. they are results. naturla outcomes. they are NOT the same thing as retribution or punishment..t will do you good to not see consequences in the same light as "punishment" or retribution.. or something that hinders freewill in anyway.. i will break down your post and point out your errors in the morning if need be.

^^^^^well we all need refreshing once in a while..
religion will cease to exist today if their followers will ask the logically tough questions to their teachers. but as it turns out most humans are not willling to think.

Kay 17: @greatgeniIus

Sin is simply disobedience to God's activated will (Commands).

like i said sin simply means missing the mark. it really has nothing to do with God becuase God has no commands that needs to be obeyed. humans do, not God. it is not possible for God to be needy. it is not possible for an all powerful God to set commands and not have it obeyed IF she wants it obeyed. then he ceases to be all powerful. it is also unGodly and illogical for God to give commands and free will at the same time..to command is to need someone to obey. which, then throws free will out the door becuase whn you are obeying you are living someone else WILL.. not your will..and thats not what the creator intended..because God gave you free will as echoed in one of his promises that "Your will is his will".That is a promise of freedom not command..God gives promises and committements to his creations not COMMANDS... life is meant to be lived and obeying is not life. it does not bring growth or evolving of which is one of the purposes of life/physicality. living someone else experieces and dreams/aspirations is not life. not what life is meant to be

Its a contravention of instructions from God.

again God has no instructions and nothing is being contravened when you sin. you have only missed the mark.

To deny God's commands and rules is to deny sin.

well then so be it..only a lesser God demands attention or have commands, and thus the Gods of religions are lesser gods...Deity has no needs.The ccreator has no commands. She is All that is. And All That Is is exactly that, all that is. It therefore wants, or lacks, nothing by definition.
If you or anyone who chooses to believe in a God who somehow needs something,and has such hurt feelings if He doesn’t get it, that He punishes those from whom He expected to receive it, then you are choosing to believe in a God much smaller than the Infinte creator..

i dont like getting into the back and forth of these type of frivolous topics but @ OP i have a question for you..

what color of skin do you think the Egyptians had at the time of Moses?

the concept of sin has been exaggerated and misunderstood. for instance one has sinned when they say they are trying to go to say new york from new jersey but instead ends up in Atlanta. thats what sin is. missing the mark. are you going to punish yourself for being in atlanta?

understand that God has given you all the tools of life to live it as you choose. he does not care what you do with your life just as a mother does not care for what her children play when she sends them out to play. playng hide and seek or tug of war does not matter to her one bit. now she will hope that they do not get hurt but what they play does not matter to her.

Kay 17: This will contradict the concept of Sin. And the accounts of the Bible as a lawgiver. The 10 commandments and the Mosaic laws.

what is sin..sin simply means missing the mark nothing more nothing less..there is also no such thing as the 10 commandments

okeyxyz: where exactly did god give "free will" as you put it? Did he not say: "if you keep my laws [/b]blahblahblah..", then "so and so" will happen? "And if you [b]disobey my laws blahblahblah..", then "so and so" will happen? If the freedom to choose between these two is what you mean by freewill, then you are correct.

God did not give no commmands to anyone. you have or should i say others have done it for you. the rules or laws of the universe are not commands.. you cannot deem God to have unconditional love and at the same time see her as having conditional love. he is either one or the other.

what you have deemed as God "punishing" you are just the lwas of nature at work. the laws of casuse and effect.

Affiliated: The subject matter at hand is freewill and not freedom. Read the initial post again

freedom and free will are one and the same. just diffrent words. freedom is choice. choice or free will is freedom

Kay 17: If God granted man freewill why did he thereafter create commands?

God gave no commands to no one. only free will.

engrtee: There is nothing like absolute freedom

why do you say so

Affiliated: Greatgenius I see you

lol interesting thread so i had to grace my presence

what difference does the location make?

this is more of a cry for help than anything else.. it is time to awake brother. sleep no more.. if you do not believe in yourself or anything else at least believe in the dignity of your being and see yourself as not cursed(because you are not) but blessed and perfect always.

wiegraf: I see what you're trying to do, but I'll ignore that. That asides, I said it may mean something else to me, I never said it definitely would. And that is, again, giving you the benefit of the doubt even if you don't explicitly ask for it. I was assuming you have a definition better than the standard religious looneys. That definition of spiritual to me translates to completely nonsensical magical rubbish. So I suppose that would be my definition of spiritual, basically nonsense people make up to make themselves feel special.

i cant have a normal discussion with you if you are going to dance around. i didnt ask you about what others think or the "standard definition". i specifically asked what it means to you.( i am asking you to think for yourself and forget about what others think for a minute here.).. No one is saying the "spiritual" is special or magical than anything else.. at least i am not. And no enlightened being will certainly think that. The "spiritual" is no more or less special or magical than the phyisical. just as someone above or up in the sky on a plane is no more or less special than someone on the ground. it is erroneous and foolish to think otherwise.

now if you want to discuss we can but i certainly dont have the time for an aurguement and dancing around. this will probably be my last response to you on this thread.

There are no such thing as 'psychic atmosphere' or souls. I'd ask for definitions but you can't seem to offer one for spirituality, so I'll go with the default. As for electromagnetism, if your eyes are not biologically fitted to perceive it then you can't see it. End of. Anything else is a trick of the mind

there is such a thing as "psychic atmosphere" and souls.we all have psychic abilities. it is your "sixth sense" and you have one whether you believe it or not. but as the volitional creature that you are i will let you believe whatever you want. Thats the beauty of life. And dont worry you will not go to "hell" or be "condemned" as such a thing or place does not really exist. there is bliss in ignorance as well.

If you're using a mobile device maybe it does not play animated gifs as the first pic is animated. There are no 'auric pairs'(?) anywhere there at all. If you look it the 'x' in centre long enough the circles around it disappear completely. As for the second, the bands will start alternating in intensity, ie one color will become more conspicuous while the other fades almost completely, they then switch intensity continuously.

1. yes there was no animation when i saw it with my mobile. had to look at it from pc.
2. but there are "auric pairs" and i did see it on mobile or pc.. all colors have it. every entity or object has an "aura".
3. and i really dont see the big deal with this animation. this is a case of " what you focus on disappears and what you repel persist".(food for thought)..it is more to do with the ability or lack of the rods and cones receptors in the eyes.. the rarity of the rods in the center will make things "disappear" with the "right" or should i say "wrong" focus and angle.. i dont see the big deal there.

but as you alluded to earlier pray tell what exactly is the gap that the brain is helping to fill?..
4.

So with the first for instance, the circles are very clearly there objectively yet you cannot see them after a while. Simple demonstration of why one cannot trust human perception as sources of any sort of objective 'truth'

at bolded a very ignorant statement.there is no "objective truth" without "subjective truth".. objective truth is not ultimate truth. in actuality there is no thing as objecitve truth. there is only truth and truth is truth "no matter"(think about "no matter" deeply and you will see the hidden meaning) what. btw since human perception shouod not be trusted why then did you trust einstein theory of relativity. because i am yet to see the spaceship that eisntein travelled on to outer space to prove relativity.

You could carry someone to court and he would swear that the circles did indeed disappear, but that does not mean the circles objectively disappeared, does it?
They clearly didn't, he just perceived it so.

lol ok so is that why you think human perception should not be trusted.

No, it isn't ignorant in any way, and you cannot back up your assertion logically. It's disingenuous to pretend you somehow can (you've already more or else failed anyhoo). Objective 'truth' is always true.

again very ignorant statment. objective truth is always based on the percetion on it.. and like i said there is nothing like objective truth there is only Truth..

1 + 1 = 2, regardless of anyone's perception and what not.

lol this dude.. 1+1 will always equal 2 becuase of "our" consesus..the rules and standards has been set..but numbers are nothing but concepts. lol not even going to say much on this.

There's good reason why in a court a hundred people could all corroborate certain events taking place but then have their testimony tossed out because of irrefutable physical evidence contradicting their claims. Many, many experiments have been performed which show just how rubbish human perception can be. Simply consider how one perceives time for instance

lol so in your mind or world the beings who perfroms the experiments are "aliens" free from the "shackles" of human perception right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_perception

This is very simple for the most part, subjective 'truths' are in no way truths that can be used to say, persecute a person. At all. Or make decisions that would effect other people (like condemning a country to war because 'god told me so', or blowing people up for 72 vir.gins, discriminating against gays, etc). If it makes one feel happy then fine, but they certainly should not expect others to feel the same. You shouldn't expect your hippie theories to be taken seriously by any critical thinker, or, rather particularly, assume they are intrinsically in any way as valuable as objective truths (at least when dealing with others). It's all in your head.

open a thread and we talk about "objective" and "subjective" truths.

wiegraf: It translates to magic? I can't give you a proper definition since it's a fairly meaningless term to me, but what you call spiritual I possibly may call something else. So if you give me your definition (hopefully lucid) I might be able to give you a definition of whatever phenomena you call 'spiritual'

ok you seem to like dancing or maybe you just like the thrill of the back and forth. I usually don't have the time especially if we are only going in circles.. . How can the term be "meaningless" if it means something else to you. You used the term and I simply asked YOU to explain what it means to YOU. And you start dancing.. What is what it means to me or anyone else has to do with my question? .

Ok, so what are auric colors? And these aren't complementary colors, they are just pics which demonstrate that brains fill in the gaps when perceiving. This is one of the reasons our subjective experiences cannot be trusted as objective 'truths'.collective experiences which cannot be verified by apparatus other than human perception cannot be trusted, let alone personal experience.

1. I think I have already told you this but simply put Auric colors are the colors emanated from the psychic atmosphere or electromagnetic field or Aura of an object.. I had listed earlier the auric pairs of colors. The human aura is an emanation from the soul, or the person whom it surrounds. It is akin to the rays of the sun. For humans the aura usually has an egglike shape and surrounds the person.

2. Well for the colors I saw all their auric pairs. For the second image I also saw yellow at where they intersect which is what should happen. Anyway so what exactly is the gap that the brain is supposed to help perceive.

3. The bit about subjective experiences is just plain ignorant and I don't want to get on that tangent. But understand that " objective " truth is not always "truth".

wiegraf: GREAT GENIUS GOD

Returned to the real world? Don't worry, not particularly on your case (hope you've not setup your commune yet though, reconsider). I just want to show off some spiritual jazz I came across on the internets. Undeniable evidence for the case for auras.

For the first look at the x for like 30 seconds. The second the same, just anywhere.

lol ok.. so what exactly I am supposed to be looking for. Btw what does the spiritual mean to you.. I see you are confusing the little concentration excercise I wanted you to do with auras.. and oh complementary colors are not the same as the auric pairs of colors..

^^^^
Will pass my point across numerically since I'm using a phone..
1. God does not have a son. She has sons.. we are all sons of GOD. Neither did he send a son to die for your sins. That's a fallacy perpetuated by religions or should I say Christians.
There is no " saviour" outside of yourself ..

2. You are not alone . It is arrogance of the highest order for humans to think they are the only creatures in the universe.. There are thousands and thousands of other civilizations in the universe. Compared to others in terms of civilizations you are still in nursery school!!

3. "Evil" was not necessarily made to introduce freewill. It's the other way around.." evil" just means something of " lower" quality compared to a " higher" quality. And it is all matter of perspective because what might be evil to you might not be to another.

God doesn't let nothing happen to anyone.. Everyone is responsible for and creator of their own reality.. "bad" things do not happen to " good" people unless they are choosing it..

Also it will help to define what exactly you mean by "good people " and also " bad things"..

musKeeto: this guy, what exactly do you believe in?

what do you think.. and what do you believe in ?

Reyginus: You didn't notice his delusion increases by your punch-lines. Indeed their is power in delusion. Have pity on the dude please:-/.

lol what should one expect from an ignorant fool like you..

wiegraf: Oops, my bad. It's the folly, it's too much. It's hard to ignore... I'll try to let be, he's welcome to his beliefs... It's just...

again my folly is wisdom compared to your folly.. don't worry you will soon come to that realization.

wiegraf: We aren't sheeple brah, but it's understandable a m.oron would choose to group us together.

for once think before you write..you claim you areint sheeple yet will gladly follow and worship your "expert"..

And you're addressing me but you feel the need to address an audience, why? Fishing for future kool aid drinkers? Also note there's a difference between objective truths and the nonsense you peddle.

if you have a problem with me addressing an audience, you are more than welcome to cry..and oh the nonsense i peddle has more wisdom and truth in than all your blabbering and gibberish you have been spewing..

That asides this is mostly correct, hypocrite. You enjoy the trappings of the scientific method yet think one following it is da.ft. How stoopid can you be? Don't use its products if you think they are da.ft mor.on, unless of course you're happy being a hypocrite.

you are very daft. i repeat very datf..people like you are the reason humanity is not civilized and still barbaric..he actually thinks all the products of his experts are good for him..its like saying my father buys me everything i "want" so my fathers truth is and should my truth..you call Christians sheeple but you the biggest sheeple with that mentality..science is not the problem..but your "experts"scientists are and have done more harm than good..something you are obviously not aware because as a follower as you rightly admitted it is hypocritical to think for yourself.. your slavish brain is too weak to comprehend the level of toxic and destroying your "experts" have brought to your earth..

You think that's impressive? I eat mud, it's all I need for sustenance. Pikkiwokki makes it all delicious and nutritious, so I'm basically never hungry, except away from land of course. Cool, abi?

"The less you say the better". Ooohhh, do tell. You can't be any better than our own prophet, greatergenius. He's like a spiritual 'Q' from the james bond series, cooks up all sorts of spiritual gadgets. One of his day jobs includes being a consultant for nollywood on spiritual matters. Can you top that?

And you plan on never getting sick? That's silly, we should all endeavor to fall sick. Just like I'm currently trying to acquire brain cancer by engaging you

more ignorance no need to respond

il·lu·sion - /iˈlo͞oZHən/
Noun:
1. A false idea or belief
2. A deceptive appearance or impression

This could sum up just about everything about you, but I'm not so sure if they're deceptive per se. A donkey with critical thinking skills wouldn't be deceived by your ideas for one.

well critical thinking skills that you lack so you rather have your "experts" thinking for you even to your detriment..a critical thinking donkey will not have his "house" being destroyed by his "experts" and call it civilization.. a critically thinking donkey will not fume at the mouth when someones tells him to think and reason for himself and not blindly take the "truth" of others as his truth.. surely god brother don't tell me a donnkey has more iota of common sense than you..

No, I might perceive some things wrongly, but that does not there's a great deal of stuff that is not objectively out there, regardless of how I perceive (or not) them
And you don't have to respond to the first bit, just reflect on it, for the sake of potential future victims

Energy is matter, what's new? I should read a story book to gain an understanding of that? Maybe I should also use it as the reference for the brain surgery you desperately need. Oh, I see, I should study fairy tales and magic by reading story books. For once you make sense
I was pointing out to a slave recently how insidious that separating chaff business is, but that's too much to tackle atm.
Pikkiwokki will have something to say about that. And perhaps this mutinous cassava stick I hear about.

at bolded i think i might have to pass and recommend that for you instead.. becuase everything you spew is full of ignorance

Hope you aren't mad btw. I've warned you before, assert nonsense like this $hit, expect appropriate responses.

why should i be mad at your childish rants.. you obviously reason like a child. i didn't really expect any enlightened response from you though so no worries

The bold...too much. And you even admit it's subjective. Well done

pay attention ignorant..something being subjective does not change ultimate reality.. for instance you claiming there is no God does not change the fact that there is one.. and when i said it depends on who you talking to, i meant it as in it depends on the reasoning ability of the individual to prove the existence...because like i said there is really nothing like something not existing

[You do note I am not giving out my perspective here, yes? I'm describing YOUR position, not mine, genius?

Now, assuming (and don't miss this 'assuming', like you missed the one in my previous post) this indeed were my position, I have to ask, you switched places with @anony? This is a silly.. I don't know what to call it. This is how it works

x is chilling. Y shows up and claims he jumped over the moon

X says hahaha, no. But explain and present evidence anyways (doubt stage)

Y says he's so full of $hit, he was able to counter gravity using the energy generated while taking a $hit.

X says demonstrate

Y says he can't

X can then tell him that yes, he does indeed concur y is full of $hit, but the chances of a $hit powered jump are ridiculously unlikely, he'd have better odds if he tried to walk across the atlantic, jesus style, no tricks. Not absolutely impossible maybe, in this case, but even our critical thinking donkey would consider it asinine to assign any value to the claim.

childlike reasoning at play here..but i will flow with that for now.. lack of demonstration on the part of y is still not enough to say it did not happen or its impossible. for instance in times extreme danger people normally do and accomplish "superhuman" feats that the same people would normally not be able to do or demonstrate if asked to.. is that enough to discard their assertions as false?.. and speaking of jesus do you think he was the only human to have walked on water?

having said that you have to understand that every dimension has it laws and to transcend it you have to move into a higher dimension.. for instance to transcend our third dimensional world you would have to use laws or means of a fourth or higher dimension of reality..the ancient Egyptians understood that why they were able to use thought forms to build the pyramid of Giza. The group consciousnesses of current humans inhabiting this earth does not yet believe the third dimension can be transcended. so they get what they believe..

it is all a matter of perspective and belief.. if you believe that some things are not possible then it will not be possible for you..if you believe all things are possible then they indeed are.. this is the paradox of the world and life.. and in this the current humans have it backwards..they would like to see or have before they believe..but if you don't believe or have the faith then you cannot have..

That is how I would say doubt is factored in. It's part of the scientific method of inquiry

Again, that IS the scenario as you describe it. You don't have evidence yet expect to be taken seriously.
The rest has already been addressed. Pikkiwokki knows all, prove me wrong.

yep pikkiwoki knows all. enough said

...What are these auras supposed to do?

.the aura is just your true nature

wiegraf: If you, my rather deluded eediot, think the scientific methods "experts" are wrong, you're welcome to toss your computer or whatever device you're using into a river. Along with all the other nice things it has given you, modern medicine etc. I'm sure auras have some healing properties, no? Can't you contact me using auric waves or something, do we need to use the internet? Hypocrite.

And good $whateveryousmoke, I don't need your help. Pls, no!

lol you really are daft..you have ears but do not hear..i tell him to stop taking every "truth" and "facts" from the "experts" as ultimate and then he comes back with "why dont you toss your computer or whatever device your using into the river" since you want me to think for myself..Really is that how atheist reason these days..

and for your info i do not take "modern medicines".of what use is a medicine to me. i am enlightened and illuminated enough to know that medicines do not cure dis-eases..i really don't remember the last time i was sick and i don't plan on ever becoming sick..you will be surprised what the power of thoughts/mind and words can cure.. try it it will help your life

and as for contacting you through any other means the less i say about it the better..

I don't just think it's silly mind you. I think you and that billionare guy are this guy silly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

Looking for "low humans" or sheeple to drink cool aid with you, etc etc. Seriously, allowed to roam free you might turn into real nuisances, lol. You make communists who hunted your kind look reasonable.

the above is full of ignorance no need to respond

Great genius my a$$, don't even know what an optical illusion is, silly god.

if anything it is you who doesn't know what an optical illusion is..understand that in the grand scheme of things everything you see is an illusion..form is an illusion..having said that in the context of this discussion and also putting into context popular notion, "optical illusion" as used here just means "fake"/trick.(especially going by some of the images you posted)..a mirage or counterfeit of a sort. but if you want to get technical i can tell you outright that everything you see is an illusion.. for instance what if i told you that what you think is a white color is actually black; or orange is blue.; or a table is actually not solid at all; or a bridge moves faster than the water underneath it..are these not all true statements? would you believe me or call me crazy if you didn't know these..

What's that, you do? Then why in your hell do you call them auras? It sounds cooler? Attracts sheeple/humans?

again i really don't think you know what auras are.

God, do please link to some post where you no doubt prove to us that we're god.

no need for that i dont need to prove jack to you..but if you really need to know go read your bible it is right in there(just separate the wheat from the chaff and you will get to the truth).. but if you want to go the science route then let me tell you that you a conglomeration of atoms. you are an energy being. a light being

Let me just officially tell you that I am not god, allah, yahweh, dog, whatever god your smoke makes you dream up, etc. That said, you're welcome to pay tithes at any given time, and I do think it cool you find me that awesome (I do as well). Just let me know when you have the cash and I'll pm details.

whether you like it or not you are human and you are indeed an individuated aspect of YHWH the creator of life on this planet.. but again the less said the better. i see you are enjoying the game of this life.

Great genius, again, before your brain melts stop smoking that $hit. Look at the bold again. Carefully. What you're saying here is that

our something has not been shown to exist, hence the doubt of its existence

you are very ignorant indeed..doubting something exist is not the same as does not exist..doubting makes you an agnostic not atheist..where do you really stand because you seem confused right now..And let me also add that there is really nothing like something not existing..

you don't even have logical evidence to back up the something existing

depends on who you are talking to.. but again because of your level of ignorance the less said the better..

In essence, assuming this scenario, you admit you cannot show it exists. You know you cannot show me that it logically exists, yet you think I'd be d.aft to doubt your claims? You really think yourself god, no? I should accept your claims because? What's next? Santa, zeus, pikachu, yeti? I should accept your claims because you say so?

where did i admitted that i cannot show God exist..your problem like most religionist is that you think and believe God is seperate from you..God is where you are brother..you are a spark of the divine and you are here for a reason..

You know I'm god as well, yes? Eediot..

oh ye of extreme ignorance have i not said that ye are god.

Great genius god, what is an auric field of color?
I eagerly await an ansah...

simply put the auric field of colors are the auric pairs that surrounds them..for istance these are the auric pairs of monochromatic colors...red gives turquoise aura, turquoise gives red aura; orange gives blue aura, blue gives orange aura ;yellow gives violet aura, violet gives yellow aura and green gives pink aura, pink gives green aura..

wiegraf: Your stoopidity is now even more conspicuous, try to contain it.

see this ignorant fool..my stupidit.y is wisdom compared to your foolishness..

Like I already told you, you cannot see auric fields without asking the great pikkiwoki, the source of all aura, therefore you're clearly lying.

and who told your ignorant as.s you need permission from anyone to see auras? your atheist "god"? or the christian "god".. and what is the big deal about seeing auras anyway.

That asides, you want me to ignore peer reviewed data, reviewed by all sorts of scientists (probably including looneys like you)

i am far from a looney..but you are, becuase you dont seem to get it..you seem to believe that if its been reviewed and verified by all sorts of scientist or people then its facts..you are no different from christians.. they place their faith in a "god" and you place your faith in "experts".you have made "scientist" and experts your "god" albiet with less worshipping compared to the christians.. both acts are equally wrong..

and accept claims from an anonymous poster on the web who cannot see how silly it is to declare himself a great genius? Whatever you smoke no get part 2.

i have not asked you to accept anything. i am only here to help..equally distubing borne of out ignorance and low self esteem though is to think that calling oneself a greatgenius is silly. its amazing how low humans think of themselves.. but i tell you what i am all that and even more. I am the son of God. I am God. and you are also all that.

Why don't I just accept the claims of theists? You do note the myriad blogs online, the indoctrination received, the sheer amount of pressure one receives to be religious, hmm? The many, many "experts" who claim there's a god, yet I discard they're conclusions.

i dont really care what you accept brother..it doesnt change the facts.. There is a God. You are God in flesh..God in amnesia..whether you believe it or not is not my issue at this point..you eventually will.

Why? It's real simple, they don't make any logical sense. And you certainly seem intent on topping their folly.

again very ignorant statement.. people inabillity to explain something logically to you is no indication to claim something does not exist. very daft in my opinion.

This is CLEARLY some sort of trick of perception, a simple effect like any of the others I've posted.

agian it is not a trick. i have asked you to use your own colors... seeing auras is nothing new.

This one doesn't even need special eyes, like of those who see millions more colors, it's a simple effect that would work like the ones I posted (except less elegantly actually), and I have even come across similar before.

you dont need special eyes for anything for anything my friend.

You now somehow conclude that denotes some sort of magic? Heheheh.

hehehe back at your ignorance.. no where did i say that having the abillity to see auras is magical..there is nothing paranormal in seeing auras..in the grand scheme of things there is nothing like miracles or magic only limited perception or ignorance..and your ignorance im afriad knows no bounds..

In what universe is the logic behind your claim? Staring at certain colors can alter your perception a bit, therefore, spiritual auras.

another statement borne out ignorance..what do you think the spiritual or metaphysical is..

You ever stare at the sun for a while then look at something else? You notice how the colors now seem a little different for a bit? What does that now mean, the sun has a spiritual aura?

what is staring at the sun and looking somewhere else got to do with auras again..what is an aura mean to you..

Great genius, an optical illusion (or effect) is just that, an optical illusion. A mirages isn't really an oasis. Except, of course, to people with "damaged" brains.

well im really inclined to beliive you might have a "damaged" brain.. if anything you are the delusioinal culprit who thinks something as simple as the auric field of a color is an optical illusion.

So, you honestly expect to be taken seriously? You best quit whatever you smoke before it fully melts your brain. Really, keep your $hit in threads where stoopid is the topic. For the most part you at least manage that.

the question is do you actually take yourself seriously..because only a fool will take some of the things you re saying serious..

MostHigh: greatgenius

Dont be ignorant the most high made the sun

When the sun implodes into a wormhole which star will you now worship

think about it critically.

lol and what about the most low? what did he make.. and who is this most high you talk of.

well the sun is "more powerful" than YHWH and yet people worship YHWH so why not the sun...non of them should be or needs your worship though

nothing to do because he doesn't "exist."

wiegraf: Nah, we're talking about the same thing, optical illusions. You can't see aural fields without the great pikkiwokis permission, and I asked him just now and he says he never granted it to you. He doesn't troll so I'm sure he's telling the truth.

Good thing though is you highlight the power of perception in these things.

But of course, let the meta-physical shenanigans begin. Do not let me rain on your parade, so long as you don't insult my intelligence ie.

That video @logic posted is very fitting actually. I never knew that song was so ghey btw

bullshi.t..everything you posted are all virtual illusions.. what i posted was not.. all objects have auras..auras of non living objects are essentially fixed and since the auric field around colors are the easiest to perceive, i chose those two colors for you(could have chosen any other color)..

i aslo asked you to concentrate on the black spot so that you could use your peripheral vision to see the auric field of the colors instead of looking straight at the colors..i assumed your peripheral vision retina will be much less "damaged" than your central part. but i guess i assumed wrong cus obviously they both are "damaged"... i mean if you cannot see the auras of simple objects how much more humans..

yet you somehow believe that some people have the power to perceive beyond "normal" color wavelengths because the "experts" say so. Those you would not dare call illusions because the "experts" you rely on have not deemed it so.. some of you are a funny bunch i tell ya