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Ubenedictus: at the end of it all u end up like descarte "man is God to man". Where all beings in the universe are equal then it mean u caused urself to exist.
And hey i known not a creator "god" called ra.

well it is true.. put differently man is God made man.. and that's a fact.

A creator God is basically the Macrocosm of a soul group or memory complex.. The Ra is a soul group like Yahweh and some beings of this soul group incarnated here during the atlantean human period. They also visited the Egyptians eons ago.

poopli: you have to explain further. is there a separate entity called god who is different from us. I dont understand your concept of god..

well the truth is there is no separate entity called God different from you..

But depending on the level of awareness it might seem as though you are separate from your "creator". let me bring it home so you and others can understand this easy yet complicated concept..

Take your whole being for instance.. is your organ called heart different from you? In fact is any cell of your body different from the entity called " you".. Without the organs or individual cells there is no you as am entity ..likewise without you there is no cells or a conglomerate of them to form an organ..

Ubenedictus: d point is d creation link cannot continue ad infinitum, at a point we must have an uncreated creator, indistructible and pure energy with consciousness and will to create.

well the point is if you perceive God or the creator -for simplicity, different and separate from you then the creation link will have to continue ad imfinitum..

For instance the creator Gods Yahweh( creator of humans) Lucifer, Ra etc will all have to have a creator and their creator, have a creator, so on ad infinitum.. now this is actually true when viewed from a reality and position of separatism.. but that's an illusion and a distorted point of view because the ultimate reality is that we all ONE and there is no separation..

We are all one and no one being is more powerful than the other.. but all things are possible so those who have a need for a " God", more powerful than them will be provided one by the universe.. it is all for the experience. The reason why we are all here..

diluminati: Forget all the conspiracy theory, the cfr, or the reptillian family and all those hocus pocus. One thing we can not disagree is the glaring deliberate acts by a group of people over the years to destroy established faiths like christianity, mostly. Their goal is to destroy religion and make the people more dumber for what purpose that aint clear to me.
Looking back home, we are the most religious but the most vicious and sinful. It is glaring to see when big companies can promote an artiste who sings about ashewo, and shockingly it's a hit in one of the most religious country in the world. If you sit and xray the whole system, there a awhole lot of shyt to dig up to show there are set of people who are out to destroy christianity, introduce corrupt morals, and preach live and die young, lets drink today die tommorrow. Its all happening over the world, especially you can see the partnership between entertainment and capitalism, the real priest of this decadent lifestyle thats spreading and eating up many christians daily. Even if we fail to admit it, our morals are dropping so low as a result of chronic beatup by the shady evil entertainment company and our corrupt leaders judging by christian standards.

There is an agenda and lets discuss it openly and plainly without fear or favor.
If you are an atheist, don't be a fool, because you cant just disregard what billions of christians in the world rely much of their life on. take a look at the bright side, respect their faith serious and lets be on their side this time.

does the illuminati exists. Absolutely. They are luciferians ... but the problem is not the illuminati the problem is you..you are not going to evolve as a people, as humans if you are always going to blame others for your failings and problems.. the choices are always your choosing not the illuminati.

@POOpLI God is simple the totality of everything in the universe both seen and unseen that exist and has existed and will exist.. God is energy/consciouness/univrsal mind/infinite creator.. she is all there is and all that is.. there is no one else but God and we are all an individuated aspect of the one God..you are God made man..

poopli: I am an agnostic and a field biologist.
I lost my faith in xtian God after much study of animal and plant life, but still have not lost my faith altogether because I dont believe in big b.ang theory, I think there is something more to the universe.

many people seem to have different definitions of God, some think its energy, others say energy does not have consciousness (ooman), some think God is the universe, the totality of energy (deepsight), still others think that no god is needed to start everything (logicboy - now macdaddy, ifeness, ooman etc) and others think he or it is a separate great entity worthy of worship(xtians and muslims)

as an agnostic, I have lost it all together, I need something to believe. the question is : should I believe there is no god and become an atheist, or that an intelligence starte[/b]d everything and ran away and become a deist or accept the xtians or muslim god again?
and who really is God?

pls be convincing, I dont want to remain in doubt anymore. [b]I will follow the best opinion presented.

the bolded are some of the problems that i have with most of you humans..you are forever looking outside of yourself for salvation.. understand that you are not at any obligation to believe in anything at all.. believe in whatever that serves you but above all believe in yourself... seek to know the truth within dont seek to always follow.. "seek the kingdom of God first and all other things shall be added unto you"

Kay 17: Don't you guys get it?? If a Creator is always necessary, then the creator himself must be created.

well she/he/it is both the creator and the created..until people begin to understand this they will fall short of the true understanding of God.

Joel.:
Good day viewers,

i am the great joel., and i can be of help to you if you want, although i choose to be and remain a christain because i was born into it and also for some setting reasons because there is power in the jews and christian God no doubt about it, but after much study and enlightenment it has come to my knowlegde that no body has the true or right part to the real creator, in my view the road is totally blocked, He "God" who created all things and ran away, he is controling the destinies and nature of life.


The true creator is far more than the once people are speculating, He does not want or require a must worship, a God who can create and set the laws of solar system what kind of worship He will required from man? Nothing at all, man is just too low, the only thing man can do is beg Him with prayers,

and note, He doesn't attend to individual directly or answers to prayer, He has already set the laws for answering prayers. Its just for you to tap into these laws and you will get answers, and also thanksgiving and offering is among this laws for more.

Just as He set the laws in Solar system, this things are laws and formular.

Infact the true God is mystical and adventural, for a God to create wired animals to feed on other animals, and create all the good and evil plant? is something i still cannot understand, the truth is you cannot think properly when you in a particular religion, except you come out, because they threating you with fire and punishment. To me that is a scam to keep you in bondage.

What about the lion that has been eating other animals? will they be thrown into fire on the last day?

If you dont know, God name is mention first in all spell and voodoo. If that name is not mension firstly as the creator it will not work. That is the true God because He created all things.

I cant say much on this post, sorry friend, but with the advancement of techonogy its easy for one to see for itself.

My thought, is that the true creator has ran away from man and he does not seek for a must worship but only if you choose to, after creating and putting the laws of nature HE ran away.

I will write a book soon.

HAHAHA you again.. don't write your book yet because you have a long way to go. You barely have a grasp of understanding of most of the things you are write about.

mobuch: In the book of revelations,it was said that in the last days, there would be many false prophets, I guess we have some of them on this thread.

what last days are you talking about.. an era has passed a new one has began and you are here talking about last days...

Your post is really ironic because the false prophets are your pastors and ministers etc etc.. and BTW I don't see anyone really propheting here. But here is one for you.." your " jesus " is not coming back a second time to save you..salvation lies within you and only you..

Billyonaire: Growing up was just like many Nigerian kids in Christendom and Islam. We were taught to hate Satan, shun the Devil and denounce those who are agents of the devil. One question that comes to mind was; Why cant God just kill the mother fucker ? God is all powerful, then why is he keeping him alive. Then in a subtle way, Christianity echoed a faith based response: "God reserves him till the last days". Laughable, very laughable I think. Bible accounts how Lucifer, one of God's most loved angels disobeyed God and was thrown to Earth, and although this was a narrative in the book of Revelation, it questions why Genesis the first book in the Holy Bible bears account of Eve being deceived by the Snake when it was revealed that the Devil was sent to Earth in Revelation Book. It therefore means that Revelation was written either before Genesis or at the same time. Back to Devil, God didnt punish Devil for luring Eve and by extension Adam to disobey him. We moved on to the Book of Job, there, Satan and God had a heart to heart conversation, (they are in talking terms) about Job, and God authorized Satan to tempt Job and admonished him not to take his life (Satan has capacity to take life),...lets fast-forward to Jesus of the Christ Consciousness, Jesus was after 40 days and nights fasting tempted by this Satan of a guy again and could not fall for the Devil. The Question always is, Why does Almighty God not kill Satan. The response can only be; Because, Satan is doing his job, his job as a tempter, a cross-examiner. A Grand Jury. Apparently he is under the assignment of the Almighty. For me, I think he is an Avatar of the Opposing Polarity in this dual field dimension of lower universe. I am tempted not to hate this messenger, he prolly is doing his job. Or is there something God isnt telling us about his relationship with Satan ?

1. Satan does not really "exist".. as you rightly pointed out he is the opposing end of the polarity of good and bad..love and hate... most people have denoted the left end as "Satan" and right end, Love as God..

Lucifer really is not the same entity as Satan (a man made creation) though Christians will find it hard to believe...
Lucifer like Yahweh is a creator God..in cosmological terms you could say lucifer is "more" evolved than YHwH.. lucifer was really brought here to be a catalyst...

There is a great game that we are all playing which most of you still are not aware..

poopli: you full of sh.it op should never indulge you.

yea and I let it out naturally when need be.. it was nice to meet you god brother

poopli: I think you and ooman do not understand each other. the responsibility is on you greatgenius to explain further your views. ooman made his clear, he doesn't believe in god. calling people daft will not make you any wiser, actual, it made you more stu.pid and dafter.

you are looking for ideas to bash while you hide under your unexplained views. explain yourself

1. Are you alright my friend ? I am sure to your ignorant mind that is an insult as well...I really don't see where I insulted him.. understand there is a difference between an observation and a judgment...he falsely claimed I said something I did not.. so I told him NOT TO BE daft.. daft here could mean crazy or foolish.. telling someone not to act or be something (foolish/crazy in this case) Is not an insult on his person. Unless you erroneously think it is... Most of you due to low self esteem take everything as an insult when most times only an observation has been made...

2. I really don't have anything or views to explain yet..I am only asking questions and making statements here and there.. if he doesn't understand my simple questions then there is really no basis to continue.. besides If he doesn't he will let it be known..

3. How could he have made his views clear if according to you we do not understand each other?
4. Could you be so kind to point out my unexplained views.. I might be so kind to explain them to you since you're exhibiting an obvious low level of consciousness here ( I am sure you will think that's an insult as well )..

ooman: the bible implies god created everything, so matter is therefore creation of god. we know that fundamental particles, energy, which make all matter up cannot be created or destroyed, so is space in which all things exist. according to the bible, everything qualifies as beinig creation, so is a car, it was made.:

like I said God/consciousness is energy.. now substitute god in your statement with energy and then you will realize the truth in what the bible said.. the everything or matter / form was 'created" from the nothing/unseen( what you all have denoted as energy)..The totality of all is what you call God/energy/consciousness/universal mind/infinite intelligence etc ....

Let's get back to the questions..if you agree a car( a man made creation ) qualify as a creation then why can't matter or everything you see not qualify as a creation ? To you what is or qualifies as creation in the first place..

if you claim that the god you worship is energy, you have the right to worship anything but since energy as we know does not have consciousness, you cannot claim a separate conscious entity as god. if you say we are god in terms of energy, I agree. you just have to know that worshipping ourselves does not make sense.

ok don't be daft god brother 1. I have not claimed I worship anything or anyone...I and my father are one no need to worship it..
2. Who said energy does not have consciousness? Did you really just say that or you playing? Do you have consciousness?
3. What exactly do you mean by you cannot claim a separate entity as god?.. go read my post again I said the totality is god.. and you a spark of the whole..
4. It depends on what you mean by worshipping and the reasons behind.. BTW don't you " worship" and praise yourself all the time?

ooman: it is now know that SPACE and ENERGY cannot be CREATED or DESTROYED. these are the two fundamental reality in which everything else exist and are made up.

If the above are TRUE, which they are, the question is : WHAT THEN DID GOD CREATE IN THE BEGINNING.

the evident answer is NOTHING, CREATION WAS A LIE, GOD IS A MYTH AND RELIGION IS A FRAUD

what is a fraud is your whole argument( excerpt the religion being a fraud part of course ).. your contention really crumbles and falls apart the moment it is dissected.. but I will go ahead and play your game .. I have a simple question for you.. what qualifies as a " creation" and would you consider a car as a " creation " of man.

Also understand that God is energy and energy is not what is "created" and "destroyed" but MATTER/FORM... God is both creator and the created.. You are not separate from God. You are God. God made man.. energy coalesced..

^^^^ and what exactly do you think jesus statement meant..kingdom of God just means "heaven" and is a state of mind or reality.. jesus was not talking about the heaven of gold street etc etc that you have been told of..

Heaven is each and every soul's wish while living.... Now what do you think this statement that I just made means...

mobuch: @ Billionaire

Hell is real n it exists, I have beeen there and I am back. So u guyz should stop deceiving people here.

hell is not ultimate reality and does not "really" exist .. but having said that, understand that you experienced "hell" and felt real for you because you believed it existed In the first place.. at the time of your " death" you always experience what you believe in..and in most cases it is your strongest beliefs.. And in this case your fears(fears of unworthyness, sin etc and as such hell bound ) were manifested and thus felt like you were in hell..there are others who belief strongly that they will see jesus when they "die".. and they do..others believe they will go straight to heaven and they do. Etc etc ..what you believe in is what you experience at the time when you disengage from physicality...


you create your reality either on earth or "heaven"...your beliefs create your reality and as such You don't stop creating when you "die"... As above, so below ....

I will stop here because I don't want to infringe on your free will.. but if you want more clarification and ask the right questions I will see if I can help you but for now I leave you to the OP..

iam of the belief that humans are not progressing and evolving as fast as we should becuase of oour falsely held cultural myths.. until we change these cultural myths we will continue to evolve at a painstakingly slow pace..the first cultrual myth is that humans are inherently evil. this is the myth of ORIGINAL SIN..it holds that not only is our basic nature evil, we were born that way.( will make a thread about origainal sin later)

what i want us to talk about though is a cultural myth arrisng out of the first cultural myth( waht i call the second cultural myth), is that it is the “fittest” who survive...This second myth holds that some of us are strong and some of us are weak, and that to survive, you have to be one of the strong. You will do all that you can to help your fellow man, but if and when it comes down to our own survival, we will take care of ourself first. we will even let others die. Indeed, we will go further than that. If one thinks he/she has to, in order for him/her and theirs to survive, he/she will actually kill others, presumably, the “weak” thereby defining them(the killer) as the “fittest.”

we say that, that is the basic instinct. the “survival instinct,” and this cultural myth has formed much of our societal ethic, creating many of humanities behaviors.

Yet when you look at things critically our “basic instinct” is not survival, but rather, fairness, oneness, and love. This is the basic instinct of all sentient beings everywhere. It is our cellular memory. It is our inherent nature. if fairnes, oneness and love is our basic intinct then our fist cultural myth which gave birth to our second cultural myth cannot be and is not true. if the parent is false then the child outomatically falls apart when critically examinined..humans are not basically evil, and were not born in “original sin.”

If humans “basic instinct” was “survival,” and if their basic nature was “evil,” you would never, say for instance move instinctively to save a child from falling, a man from drowning, or anyone from anything. And yet, when you act on your basic instincts and display your basic nature, and don’t think about what you are doing, this is exactly how you behave, even at your own peril.


humanity's current cultrual myths have not served us. it has not taken us to where we say we want to go..it is time to change them.

but my question to you guys is, is the survival instinct really our basic instint as you have been made to believe..

JESUS

wiegraf: That is correct! It is not by force to live! I'm not suggesting we encourage it though (or most of the things in that list actually). But I do think in certain cases assisted suicide is valid. It's very, very tricky to implement though, but mature countries should be able to implement it.

I now expect the people who want to complain about my calling certain countries 'mature' to start b1tching in 3,2,1....

well you actually made a good point for once..suicide should not be a crime. There are a lot of situations where some might feel it 'd be better to " die" than live..but again not that it should be encouraged though because then people will just disengage from physicality with the least amount of encountered obstacle without facing their " problems...

One thing I have noticed though is that with humans it is just amatter of TIME..
if the effect of the deed or action deemed to be wrong takes a long time to happen then its ok and not a " crime" .. but if it takes a shorter time then it is more wrong..

Taking ones life is seen as an abomination, a taboo and against the law because it seems to happen quickly but it seems actions which end a life over a somewhat longer period of time are not against the law, even though they achieve the same result lol ...how we got to this conclusion baffles me..

If a person in our society kills himself with a gun, his family members lose insurance benefits. If he does so with cigarettes, they do not. If a doctor assists you in your suicide it is called manslaughter while if a tobacco company does, it is called commerce lol ..

The legality of self destruction , the rightness or wrongness of it seems much to do with how quickly the deed is done...as well as who is doing it. The faster the death, the more "wrong" it seems to be. The slower the death, the more it slips into okayness

Interestingly, this is the exact opposite of what a truly humane or civilized society would conclude ... By any reasonable definition of what we would call "humane," the shorter the death, the better it should be.. Yet society punishes those who would seek to do the humane thing, and rewards those who don't ... To humans the slogan is " punish the sane and reward the insane "

okeyxyz: So if I feel that somebody else is not correct in his own opinion, how does that make him my enemy then?

first of why would you feel somebody else opinion is false.. and i wouldnt use enemy per say here but if you want to go that route then fine..but by the very definition of "enemy" yes they are your enemy.. they have an opposing view , one which you dont hesitate to condemn them for it.

If going by your own perception that everybody is an enemy of the other, then there wouldn't be a society. This world would be one big jungle where the only rule is "Kill or be Killed".

lol have you taken a look at the world lately?..with the differnt religions pitching againsst each other and people with opposing views in each other throats..humanity is on the verge of destroying itself from within.. lets take nigeria for example, the northern part will not hesitate to wipe of the christian south off the map if given the chance... likewise worldwide, "christians" have killed more people in the name of jesus than in any other man in history... there have been more people killed in current human history in the name of "GoD" than in any other human era..countries have even gone to war over something as little as a piece of land..

You fail to demonstrate that you you have adequate understanding of christiany,

i do but i am trying to understand if you do one of the reasons why we having this discussion..

else you would know that this same christianity mandates peace with all people, systems and authorities that we come in contact with.

mandating something and practicing it is two different things god brother

All men are created in the image of god, that is without doubt and besides the point. Lives and systems are not about what your potentials are, rather it is the knowledge and achievemnt of these potentials that makes one to truly command this status. You may be born a prince, but if all your life you have been raised to be a slave, well guess what: you will live and die a slave even though you have royal blood running in your veins.

its all about freewill and choices brother..if anyone is raised a slave and its not their will then you have infringed on their freewill to choose.. they will resent you and eventual revolt or kill you.. why would you force anyone to be a slave. why force anyone or raise anyone to be a slave.. This is why your world is still uncivilised..servitute should be done out of love and not coercion or fear..and one of the greatest show of love is service to self and another..something the man you follow jesus did to the T.

I'd expect that these principles are obvious to you, but it seems not. Why are some people slaves to other people? Is it not that the slavers have the knowledge and tools to dominate [/b]and instill[b] fear upon the others, thus making them subservient and slaves? Yet you are here wanting to rope and judge everybody together by same measure.

at bolded. sadly you and most of humanity have bought into the survival of the fittest lie. one of the greatest lie ever.. pray tell how has that served you..how has the quest for power served you..

Talk about ignorance and arrogance...

no you are exhibiting both not me. so much for calling yourself a christian. your master Jesus will be proud..

Precisely what issues do you have with the concept of hell? Are you crying-out against the misrepresentation of hell or is it the existence at all of hell that you have a quarrel with? I my comment to which you are reacting to specifically stated that: "We yet do not understand the true nature of hell..." which leaves me wondering: what exactly are you trying to disprove with this arguments? A claim I never made? A position I never took? There's no point taking on this debate because you are "shooting" in another direction that is not mine. If you want a debate then address my opinions, not the opinions of people you assume to be on my side. You really are not demonstrating much analytical skills so far..

ok i am going to ask the qustion again.. as the 100% christian that you are do you believe hell..do you believe that your God will conderm you to hell if you were not to believe in him.. saying you do not understand the true nature of hell is not the same thing as you don't believe that a place called hell exist for non believers... you danced around the question so i went ahead and said what i said..

Hell is an outcome, not an illusion.

lol are illusions not an outcome? again what do you think hell is..

The funny thing is that you seem to think that your opinions here are unchristian?

i have never thought that.. the real definition of christian just means Christ-like..jesus was Christ-like. alot of people have been christ-like and anyone can be christ-like..

Like I said before, you don't understand christianity

no i am begining to think you dont..

you focus on churches today and woefully assume they are correctly representing christian doctrine.

lol ok what is the correct christian doctrine. let me see what you know..

[ Else you would realise that anytime Jesus speaks a parable about hell, he would start with: "The kingdom of God is like ..."

ok and what do you think jesus meant. what do think the kingdom of God means.

Again! and again!! and again!!! You keep jumping-off to issues I never raised, claims i never made.... What part of my definition of worship don't you understand? If you need clarification, the wise and sound thing would have been to simply ask. You are not making a good presentation here.

lol i see you like dancing go and read what i said again...but i will ask you again here. as a christian why do you see the need to worship God.. if you want be to give you the standard definition of worship i will provide it..i want us to have a decent matured discussion not play semantics..this is not an argument to score cheap points and as such the need to dance around is not needed here..if you think otherwise then there is no need to continue.

Funny that you actually think you are saying something different from my position.

actually i didnt . not entirely but where we differ and i sought to explain is the fact that there is no need to personify fear as the devil or satan because not only is fear an illusion but the devil or satan as a person does not exist period.

The bible refers to the spirit of the devil as the spirit of disobedience and fear.

i dont know about the spirit of disobedience and why it was put in the bible but i will go with the spirit of fear..but again sayng the spirit of the devil suggest there is such a thing or person as the devil which is not true..

Yet all these behaviours are treated in the context of: "The kingdom of god is like..." Answer me this: Does a son who disobeys his father nullify his sonship? Does it change the fact that he proceeded from that genes of the father? Yet, because of his disobedience, he will not get the rewards of this father like for the sons who were obedient.

the answer to your questions is NO.. but this is the core of humanities problem and the bane of existence of religion as relate to God.. but i will not jump the gun here. are you in anyhow inferring that the son father example you gave is just like the relationship we have with God. that obeying means reward and disobeying means punishment?.. you make a mockery of God, god brother.

You are here judging the validity or not of jesus and other "enlightened ones" when we have not even debated what their messages\gospels are that makes them true spirits of god. Answer me: What in your opinion makes Jesus the son of god? What is the principle that made him attain this enlightenment that we all seek? y.

1.ok then lets debate their messages maybe then we might see who has the true spirit of God.. lol why dont we do that..
2. jesus is the son of God just as everyone is the son of God. we were all"created" and came from God. i dont see how else you want me to explain this... and jesus attaining enlightement is not so much as a matter of principles but choice. but then again principles are choices. you can choose to be like jesus right now and attain enlightenment if you choose.. The principles should be to stand on the side of truth(love) and make the right choices. attaining christ-like is the grandest expression of who you really are..jesus took one life time to do it. many have taking one life time to do. others have taken more lifetimes to do it. its all a matter of choice..

You are clearly throwing conflicting and confusing assertions here. A moment ago you said everybody has the same amount of the spirit of god, yet here you counter-claiming that there are some like jesus who have attained this godhood while many others will never do so. You seem to want to oppose me just for the heck!! of it rather than difference in ideolog

lol i never said many other will never do you are. but again god brother understand that someone making a different choice from you which could be considered an "error" does not mean they do not have the complete spirit of God within them..it is foolish to think that.. reaching adulthood does not make you more of a human than a baby or teenager..the baby will surely get to adulthood. he cannot not get there..Godhood just means self-actualization or reaching the highest level of consciousnesses/awareness..

Yes, jesus christ's principles are the one, true principles of god. Mine are not different from his. It is the same principle(spirit) that makes us sons of the same god and same inheritance. It is a flawed logic that assumes that two different individuals must follow two different world/spiritual views like you assert.

dude understand that there are many many ways to skin a cat lol..many many paths lead to the same destination my friend..some short, some long , some tedious, painful etc etc but they all lead to the same destination.. but before i say more about this pray tell what are jesus christ principles..

wiegraf: I can't see what you mean, elaborate?

what i simply meant is that ultimately there is no such thing as "victimless crimes".. it is an oxymoron

Mark or standard set by who/what? This seems a rather broad definition.

..The mark or standard set by the individual or society, and for religious individuals their "God".. it seems broad but that should be the correct definition. because something considered "sin" is a matter of perspective and thus relative.. my definition is integrative

Btw, not read you post on the other thread. Once I do I'll have to commit, as my brain won't shut up about it. I have other things to take care of in the real world so I need to manage time more carefully. I'll get back to it when I do have time though...

well that was probably my last response on there but you are welcome to respond..like i said open a thread about subjective and objective "truths" and we will discuss

wiegraf: Do you think any of these 'sins' (depending on perspective) are crimes or no? Non-religious reasons only pls, saying "because god" begs the question and that's not what this is for specifically. It's still related to religion of course as I want to see if y'all can give logical, cogent reasons that have nothing to do with religion (or tradition even) to justify classifying these as crimes. Of course, it's open to anyone, even atheists will have they're own individual stances.

You'll notice the lack of homosexuality, it's been done to death so we can ignore that for now. 3 is silly, I know, but I'll just leave it there.

My answer to all these is no. Edit: Simply because they're victimless.

If you can think of any other crimes that classify as victimless, or any other sins that should be crimes, lemme know.

Go

1. Narcotics

2. Bestiality

3. Blasphemy

4. Polygamy (both ways)


Edit, not sure how I forgot a favorite

5. Prostitution

i am going to keep this simple and answer them from a right or wrong; victim or no victim perspective..

1. norcostics
the question i always ask myself in matters of right and wrong is "what if everyone did it". what will be the effect or consequences.. so now lets take a narcotic like heroin for insstance. what if everybody did heroin what will be the effect. well it'd be castastrophic to say the least to the individual and society at large. so narcotics definetey falls in the WRONG catergory.. the victim here will be both individual and society..is it a crime..yes.. should it be a crime..No becuase i believe people should be left to make their own decision as it concerns them. but since humanity is still highly uncivilized and still being governed by societal laws as the majority cannot be relied on to make right choices it is better to leave it as illegal for now..

2. beastiliaty
again what if everyone did it? well apart from the diseases and other ailments etc it is a sign of an un-civilized society.. so beastility falls in the wrong category..the victim in this case are the animals..it should definetly be a crime. humans are to evolve not devolve.
3.blasphemy
what if everyone did it. well sign of a disrectful society. falls in the wrong category. but is it a crime. absolutely not. there are slso no victims

4.polygamy
again what if everybody did it? well it will be a sign of a highly evolved and civilized society..and im afraid humans are not there yet.. i personally see nothing wrong with it. should not be a crime as well and no victims in this case unless of course the parties involved were forced into it.

5. prostitution
well waht if everyone did it? well it be an indication of a sexually liberated society. but what are the consequences.. well the effects will be a few harmful things of which a loveless society will be one.. there will be no such thing as sex made to celebrate love.. and where there is no love there is nothing but "problems".. so it falls in the wrong category.. and society is the victim in this instance

wiegraf: Really, if one can't decipher them then the person probably shouldn't be replying to the post.

its not a matter of decipher its a matter of perspective. for instance differnet people have different views and definition for sin. what is a sin to you might not be a sin to another. what is considered a sin to a religious person might not be to a non religious person etc etc..same for "crime" and "victimless"..

Anyways, these are clear enough except maybe 'victimless crimes', and even at that it's not terms themselves that could be problematic but rather who would qualify as 'victims', and the value of individual rights.

exactly . in my view there are no victims. but depending on the standards or perspective i look at it i could also make a case that there is no such thing as "victimless crime"

Sin is a traditional or religious taboo, not neccessarily harmful to the parties involved. Polygamy is a sin to a christian, not so to a muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin

another reason why i asked you define your terms. most people look at sin from a religious prism so umless you define or broaden the term, people are only going to anwser you qestions from that perspective of sin..to me sin is simply to miss the mark/standard

Crime are are acts that by the law of the land are illegal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime

good we are going to go with that definintion..

A victimless crime would be a crime that harms no one except maybe the perpetrator, regardless it would be an act the perpetrator willingly indulged in full well knowing the consequences (ie if it actually can cause some harm to her, like say some recreational drug use).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimless_crime



Like I said the only issue here could be who are the victims, our drug users family could claim to be victims, but do their issues come before her rights?

Wiki seems to be on it as well, to a degree

ok so we are also going to go with that definition for victimless..