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Just to be clear. Many prominent Men of God in the Bible had more than one wife. For example:
Lamech had 2 wives,
Jacob had 4,
King David had at least 8
and King Solomon who was the wisest man in the world had 700!
The ancient Egyptian ruling class were also known to be very polygamous.

Although the New Testament encourages by implication marriage to one wife, the Bible does not condemn polygamy.


Having said that, I don't know how anyone can marry more than one woman. One is enough wahala sef. Not to talk of two 

There is a Magical Word I learnt many years ago that never fails to work every time for me in exactly these situations and I don't mind sharing it here for free. This word is sacred though and should not be over used - but it is extremely effective. Whenever you encounter these people, pronounce this magic word and believe me they just turn around and go away. When they come back, say it again and it will have the same effect. Just keep saying it whenever you feel they are getting too much and it works like a miracle.
The magic word is "NO".

Now remember, some people are more resistant to this magic and may use all kinds of tricks like guilt and so on to make you stop saying this very word. But if they persist, just keep repeating the word and eventually they will always leave you alone.

Give it a try 

@nuclearboy @otokx

Thank you! Seekers of the Truth will always recognise it.

^^^ The Truth hurts my broda

Joagbaje:
ignorance of the word of God make christians lack. This can result in lack of  Faith ,Lack of giving, lack of financial discipline and laziness

Yes! I agree completely.

Ignorance: Many Christians are ignorant of the facts about tithing. Tithing was never established as a means to gain. Abraham tithed to show gratitude and respect to Melchilsedek. Moses made tithing a law to support Jehovah's house and the Levi priests who where not allowed to own land or have any worldly inheritance. Tithing to gain is not only ignorant, it is foolish.

Lack of Faith: Too many Christians only have faith in other people (Pastors, MOG, Prophets etc) instead of putting their faith strongly and solely in the Most High God and no one else.

Lack of Giving: So many Christians believe giving their tithes to the church somehow entitles them to be rich and fortunate. Real giving is giving your MONEY, your TIME and your KNOWLEDGE to those people or causes that NEED IT. Real Giving is not giving to receive, it is giving to help others who need it. God answers people's prayers everyday through another person giving something and expecting in return nothing except that a need is met. Then God will bless you with more so that you can help more people. This is Giving. This is Living.

Lack of Financial Discipline: Money is a physical object. Not a spiritual one. That means it is a limited resource. If you are on a boat at sea with only one bottle of drinking water you need to manage it well so that it will last you. If you drink it all too quickly then you will lack until you reach the land.

Laziness: Get rich quick schemes are ALWAYS either illegal or a scam. So many Christians see churches in the back of their minds as a means to get rich quick. Give and give and give and you will have lots of money. Sadly it doesn't work that way. If you want lots of money, go to were money is being made (the business world) and partake of it. Pray for inspiration, Take some risks and Work Hard!
If you want spirituality, righteousness and closeness to God then go to the (real) church because that is what it is for. Don't confuse the two.

newmi:
would suggest you read other posts prior to this before making such comments my friend.

Thanks Newmi. But I have been reading - just not posting much and I still stand by what I said. To put it into perspective - is this "correct born-again behavior?"

ogoamaka99:
Kunle and co. may be intellectually excellent BUT SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD. THEY HAVE NO LIFE OF GOD IN THEM AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE INSTRUMENT IN THE HAND OF THE DEVIL,  They have sold their soul to the devil and that is why they are instrument in the hand of their master the devil,  Their conscience has been seared with hot iron and that is why they are ever learning but could never come to the knowledge of the truth,

Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. BUT this is surprisingly  negative from someone trying to take the christian moral high ground here. I don't even think Pastor Chris would be in support of such unchristian like behavior coming from one of his own flock if he were to read it. Talk less in defense of his person.

Or would he?

@poster
You are claim that these guys are bad for judging Pastor Chris yet you judge them very harshly yourself. Are u not then guilty of the same crime??
Na dis be di kin Christianity una de len for church? Judge those who judge you??
Na wa o'

Spirit of error no dey rest at all.

Zikkyy:
Best selling ke I thought it was free

LOL!!

@poster

Very True Talk!

DGI-PLUS:
Thank you, but you must understand that lukewarmness is not an acceptable level of spiritual growth, but a state chosen by Christians who still seek acceptance from the world and do not want to be tagged fanatics (they are still ashamed of standing for The Truth every time & every where).
I rest my case here, yielding to Apostle Paul's advice------But foolish & unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of The Truth. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil. - 2Tim.2:23-26

Dude, your argument is extremely weak. That's probably why you keep on trying to side-track the issue.
The issue here isn't about the different levels of spiritual growth. That's a different discussion. The issue is about you claiming that unbelievers (those who do not believe in the doctrine of Jesus Christ) and lukewarm believers (those who do but are for whatever reason are at a less than adequate level of spiritual growth) are one and the same.

And the truth is that they are not. They are clearly different.
If you are promoting the idea that people at different levels of spiritual growth should not be 'yoked' together - then that sounds like a sound logical lifestyle. Should a Pastor marry a new convert - probably not.

But stating that lukewarm believers and complete unbelievers are the same has no scriptural basis and really comes from the personal interpretations of some over-zealous preachers.

Joagbaje:
@ Mabel,
Some revelations there! I never thought of that. It makes some sense . If Jesus had been poorly dressed according to the teachings of the poverty preachers, would soldiers be struggling for a poor mans clothes?

Perhaps the soldiers wanted to keep his clothes as souvenirs of the cruxifiction of what they could all see was an innocent and powerful man. They probably thought they could sell it to his devotees later on as he was so famous in the land.
Who knows? It's very naive to assume that just because the soldiers who cruxified him cast lots for his clothes, then that automatically means the clothes where REALLY expensive.

C'mon, use that stuff between your two ears.

DGI-PLUS:
---All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. -2Tim.3:16,17

Simply put - If you're a lukewarm Christian like the Laodiceans, same measure will be applied to you.
NB: It's not about scoring points against ourselves; it's about pointing out the TRUTH. Lots of Love.

No one is suggesting that "Lukewarm" Christians and "Hot" Christians are exactly the same. They are at different levels of spiritual growth. Like a pastor and a church member. So I wouldnt go as far as grouping lukewarm christians with unbelievers. Afterall I could quote all day from the Bible about what really awaits unbelievers. If you are taking this verse as the justification for unbelievers and lukewarmers being one and the same then you've sadly been misled.

I've got to hand it to the church. This website is a stroke of genius on any level. Besides its a good thing for christians (or at least cec people) to have their own micro-blogging site and make it big. Why not? And cec has the finances and the following to pull it off. Hats off to Pastor Chris and whoever it was that actually came up with the idea in the first place.

We need more men like Chris in the Nigerian business world. Really we do.

oluwapo:
I have seen and read so many posts about this new application that Christ Embassy just come up with which is a social interaction site and I must say that its wonderful seeing it manifest because no religion organization has come up with such an idea to the extent of coming to reality. I thank God for that.

I also, read about so many people criticizing what Christ Embassy is doing; this is what i have to say as regard to that: over the years, have learn not to talk against Men of God even if they are doing that u feel its not right in your eyes because God's things is never right in the sight of men, we are not suppose to criticize them rather we should find out what is the mind of God concerning that, cos that is the best attitude to that approach.

I also want to commend on some people attitude towards some spiritual issues that, whenever you are posting in response to any topics remember that when the other side of it comes its going to affect your family; learn to talk right even if you have your point let it be moderate void of abusive words because you are not God that sent them to do what they are doing rather join them to move the kingdom forward.

Let us keep praying that the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ will continue to have an impact in the life of many that people will come to the knowledge of God's word because its only God's word that can change the life of people forever.

Pastor Chris Keep on doing the work that God has given to you because through you life are being saved all around the world and am so happy that am part of the Ministry and this year am going to Burn and Shine through God's word.

Join and Follow Pastor Chris through Prayer because that is the only way to a successful life.


Thank you Jesus because we are the talk of the town, God is doing great things irrespective of what people are saying

@oluwapo
Christ is the only way to God and now Pastor Chris is the only way to a successful life??
Just listen to yourself.
My friend if you want a successful life pray for inspiration, take some risks and work damn hard!

DGI-PLUS:
@Grey Beard, FYI
----I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. -Revelation 3:15,16

Do you deliberately quote biblical scripture out of context or do u just repeat someone elses quote parrot fashion?
If u take the time to read Rev 3 properly you'll see that that statement was specifically directed at the Church of the Laodiceans. And that wasn't all they were doing.
You can't go around selecting verses from the Bible and then applying them to a different situation as it suits you.

kodewrita:
No argument is complete without a crackpot to spice things up.

Is this all it takes the reach the boundaries of your narrow mind? I take it u are ignorant to the history of modern day Jews. Which is why u resort to ridicule when u have nothing constructive to contribute.
This is a classic tell tale sign of a really ignorant mind.

frosbel:
(And let me repeat here, lest it be forgotten, that a nominal Christian is as much an unbeliever as a non-Christian or an atheist.)

And where is this in the Bible?

Revelations 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

"The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)

The people living in Palestine in the 20th century have no racial nor historic connection with Palestine and are, in reality, descendants from a Turko-Mongolian tribal people who created a kingdom called Khazaria which existed until the 12th century. These Khazarian "Jews" could just as easily have practiced Christianity, but for whatever reason they chose Judaism (Talmudic Pharisaism) and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Obviously, if these people have no racial, or historic connection with Palestine they have no claim to the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel
or the land known as "Israel" (Palestine) today.

If this is true then there should be more evidence to support this position, and there is. The American People's Encyclopedia for 1964 at 15-292 records the following reference to Khazars:

"In the year 740 the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were cursed by the in-coming Slavic- speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. It is from this grouping that most German and Polish Jews are descended, and they likewise make up a considerable part of that population now found in America. The term Aschenazim is now applied to this, division."

Alfred Lilienthal writes, in What Price Israel (Henry Regenery Co., 1953):

"Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic Faith occurred in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern state of Israel." Again, "That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact. Jewish historians and religious textbooks acknowledge the fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda."

Arthur Koestler's book 'The Thirteenth Tribe' (New York: Random House, Inc., 1976) blew the lid off this suppressed fact. Koestler notes,

Revelation 3:9
"The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)

The people living in Palestine in the 20th century have no racial nor historic connection with Palestine and are, in reality, descendants from a Turko-Mongolian tribal people who created a kingdom called Khazaria which existed until the 12th century. These Khazarian "Jews" could just as easily have practiced Christianity, but for whatever reason they chose Judaism (Talmudic Pharisaism) and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Obviously, if these people have no racial, or historic connection with Palestine they have no claim to the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel or the land known as "Israel" (Palestine) today.

If this is true then there should be more evidence to support this position, and there is. The American People's Encyclopedia for 1964 at 15-292 records the following reference to Khazars:

"In the year 740 the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were cursed by the in-coming Slavic- speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. It is from this grouping that most German and Polish Jews are descended, and they likewise make up a considerable part of that population now found in America. The term Aschenazim is now applied to this, division."

Alfred Lilienthal writes, in What Price Israel (Henry Regenery Co., 1953):

"Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic Faith occurred in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern state of Israel." Again, "That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact. Jewish historians and religious textbooks acknowledge the fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda."

Arthur Koestler's book 'The Thirteenth Tribe' (New York: Random House, Inc., 1976) blew the lid off this suppressed fact. Koestler notes,

"In the 1960's, the number of the Sephardim was estimated at 500,000. The Ashkenazim, at the same period, numbered about eleven million. Thus in common parlance, Jew is synonymous with Ashkenazi Jew."

He further states,

"For the sake of piquantry it should be mentioned that the Ashkenaz of the Bible refers to a people living somewhere in the vicinity of Mount Ararat and Armenia. The name occurs in Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6 as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth. Ashkenaz is also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) whom the Khazars, according to King Joseph, claimed as their ancestor."

Koestler further quotes an early source indicating that the Khazars had some connection with Gog of the land of Magog.

"At some date earlier than 864, the Westphalian monk, Christian Druthmar of Acquitania, wrote a Latin treatise 'Esposito in Evangelium Mattei,' in which he reported that 'there exist people under the sky in regions where no Christian can be found, whose name is Gog and Magog, and who are Huns; among them is one, called the Gazari (Khazars) who are circumcised and observe Judaism in its entirety.'"

Let us not be ignorant.

For those interested in Bible prophecy, the implications of this last sentence are staggering. Read Genesis 10:2-3 to see from whom Ashkenaz descended; notice who his relatives are. Then read Ezekiel 38 & 39. Jewish author Alfred Lilienthal further stated:

"These Ashkenazim Jews, have little or no trace of Semitic blood." - p. 222, "What Price Israel."

This is now understandable from what Koestler revealed. The Jews fully understand their Khazarian heritage as the third edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 records:

"In the 1960's, the number of the Sephardim was estimated at 500,000. The Ashkenazim, at the same period, numbered about eleven million. Thus in common parlance, Jew is synonymous with Ashkenazi Jew."

He further states,

"For the sake of piquantry it should be mentioned that the Ashkenaz of the Bible refers to a people living somewhere in the vicinity of Mount Ararat and Armenia. The name occurs in Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6 as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth. Ashkenaz is also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) whom the Khazars, according to King Joseph, claimed as their ancestor."

Koestler further quotes an early source indicating that the Khazars had some connection with Gog of the land of Magog.

"At some date earlier than 864, the Westphalian monk, Christian Druthmar of Acquitania, wrote a Latin treatise 'Esposito in Evangelium Mattei,' in which he reported that 'there exist people under the sky in regions where no Christian can be found, whose name is Gog and Magog, and who are Huns; among them is one, called the Gazari (Khazars) who are circumcised and observe Judaism in its entirety.'"

For those interested in Bible prophecy, the implications of this last sentence are staggering. Read Genesis 10:2-3 to see from whom Ashkenaz descended; notice who his relatives are. Then read Ezekiel 38 & 39. Jewish author Alfred Lilienthal further stated:

"These Ashkenazim Jews, have little or no trace of Semitic blood." - p. 222, "What Price Israel."


Reve

There is nothing wrong about building large luxurious churches where people can worship. However a church is part of the body of Christ and must function as such in fulfilling His commandments.

Christ Himself told us what was expected of us as individuals and as a congregation in Matthew 25:31-46.
The problem comes when a church (whose sole aim is to fulfil the commandments of Christ) allocates a disproportionate amount of resources on things that are not part of these commandments.

In other words, if a church is spending the majority of it's time and money aiding the poor, the sick and the imprisoned then it can justify a luxurious church with the remaining resources.

But a hash judgement awaits those churches that spend most of their time and money on themselves and only fulfil Gods commandments with the leftovers. A hash judgement indeed.

Pastor AIO:
Interestingly, as I was looking for the 'no bishops, no king' quote I came across some info on how the early church was organised.  Far from being anything like Pastor Joe described that everybody has to be subjected to a pastor, it turns out that the churches were ruled by a collegiate system of Elders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop

To be fair Paul also seemed to be giving Timothy and Titus singular authority in some passages.   But most churches were ruled by a collegiate system.

Absolutely right! The first catholic 'church' was established by Constantine as a system of control over the people. So a hierarchy all the way up to God was required to implement this plan. As u quite rightly stated a system of elders was the norm within the original Christian circles.
Modern day churches continue to perpetuate this system making genuine Christians wonder whether churches now are saving people or controlling them.

LoveKing:
someone paid for it, thats what mabell will tell you. Joe-cec will tell you "Nothing is free" 

You see, that's one of the things I love about the Internet. I would say to Mabell et al that Many things are free online. Afterall, there are hundreds of free Bibles online. You can read Gods word all to your hearts content. So if Gods word is free online I don't think pastors have any excuse for charging for their own words online.

Well I must admit - I thought cec would never give out rhapsody online for free. I guess I was wrong. Well done. They should really publicise it a lot more though becos I'm sure a lot of people would like to go online and read it.

Let's have more free stuff from churches online. E-books, DVDs etc. Let the knowledge of God fill the earth.

Freemasonary is by invitation only. An existing member has to invite you in. So find someone who is already a member and convince him or her to invite you. It's the only way.

Mabell, I commend your efforts to propagate Rhapsody everyday on this forum. But that isn't the solution I'm talking about because although what you are doing is honourable, it is unofficial. Afterall, (I'm guessing) you don't have an expressed mandate from CEC to do it - but please continue.

My point is that you cannot find Rhapsody online for free. CEC obviously have the resources to make it available online. Just look at their website and the new Yokos application and you'll know that they have the technical ability.

BUT - in my opinion they will NEVER officially make Rhapsody free online or on the mobile phone because that will immediately cut off the cash flow they are getting from this. I mean, lets be honest, all you CEC members here know that all of the so called "free" Rhapsody given to people is actually paid for by members of the church. At the end of the day, someone in the church (from Pastors down to members) is actually BUYING the Rhapsody for it to be distributed free.

I challenge CEC to really distribute it FREE online and/or on mobile phones are put their money where their mouth is and REALLY reach more people with this.

Lets see true christianity at work.

@Joagbaje - Kool down my friend! No one is criticising God's work here. Some of you people want to attack anyone with a personal viewpoint that isn't in agreement with your own.
Anyway, I took your suggestion and went looking for rhapsody on facebook. All I could see was the rhapsody facebook page which directed me to where I could 'partner' with them.

So perhaps you should continue God's work and direct me to how I can read Rhapsody of Reality everyday for free online.

It will probably not happen. After all, Christ Embasy make a lot of money with rhapsody. So why would they want to make it available for free on the mobile phone?

The truth be say, Na moni dey yan oooo.