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Christianity Etc › Faith Healing Suspected In Death Of Canadian Teen by hahn(op): 11:32am On Jun 02, 2016
Christian parents who refused to treat son’s diabetes on trial for murder.

At the time of his death Alexandru Radita weighed only 37 pounds, and was 15-years-old.

His parents, Emil and Rodica Radita, have been charged with first-degree murder in connection to their son’s death.

The first-degree murder trial for Alex’s parents, Rodica, 53, and Emil Radita, 59, began last week.

According to reports, Emil and Rodica Radita refused to treat their son’s Type-1 diabetes. Despite a diagnosis at age 3, Alex rarely received proper treatment. His untreated diabetes resulted in numerous hospitalizations over 12 years, until Alex died in 2013.

Alex was hospitalized several times before social services officials seized him for a year. However, he was returned to his parents in 2005.

According to the testimony of a paramedic who was called to the Radita home in May, 2013, Alex Radita was “emaciated to the fact that he looked mummified.” Indeed, his physical condition was so disturbing, many of the emergency responders who found the emaciated child inside the family’s home had to seek psychological services.

According to court reports, emergency responders encountered about 20 people who were inside, kneeling, chanting and praying when called to the family’s home in May 2013.

Court testimony indicates Alex’s father called friends from his church before he called 9-1-1.

Evidence introduced into court include pages of Bible verses:

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In addition to the Bible verses, a search warrant at the home where the family lived led to the discovery of unused insulin syringes and expired glucose test strips. Records show that the parents had the insulin, and knew how to treat their son’s diabetes, but refused to do so.

The Raditas had several adult children who also lived in the home, but none of them were ever charged in the death of their brother.

An unsigned note, written by one of Alex’s siblings and introduced as evidence, describes walking by Alex’s room before he died and seeing his mother lifting the sick boy.

The note reads:

I saw his face, it was so scary. It looked like he was dead.

The sibling also writes about getting a bible and praying with a sister:

[We] started to pray, the Holy Spirit said he was in paradise.

In her opening statement prosecutor Susan Pepper said:

It is hard to imagine what Alexandru experienced in the last days, weeks and months of his life. It must have been painful. It must have been profoundly lonely.

At some point the accused knew their plan was killing their son or they knew he was likely to die and they accepted this consequence. They knew this and yet they continued their plan.

The trial is is scheduled to continue through June.

Bottom line: A teen is dead because religious parents refused to treat a treatable illness, apparently choosing prayer over modern medicine, with tragic consequences.


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Source: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/05/faith-healing-suspected-in-death-of-canadian-teen/
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Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 10:13am On Jun 02, 2016
Joagbaje:
He gave will power. He didn't create robots. You have right to exercise your will power . He wants those who love him ,obey him or serve him to do it by their will.
It gave will power but everything that happens is it's will? undecided

It's a law. Good for good men ,evil for evil men . You decide which way to go.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
A loving god will create only good. A psychopathic god will create evil then create humans in evil and then send them to hell for indulging in what it created undecided
Politics › Re: "I Own Properties In Dubai" - Abdullahi Dikko (Sahara Reporters) by hahn(m): 8:12am On Jun 02, 2016
You will still go to hell tongue
Politics › Re: Power Generation Rebounds To 2,820MW by hahn(m): 8:09am On Jun 02, 2016
No light here o. I dey think of how to on gen sef undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 8:07am On Jun 02, 2016
Joagbaje:
The works is not in Gods hand . He's not the one running the show. Actually the bible calls Satan the god of this world system. God has made provision for us to live beyond the world system through his word. It's now our personal responsibility to apply the principles . Every evil is from Satan and we have the power to counter his works.
Satan. The perfect excuse for god's incompetence. undecided

What was god thinking when it created Satan? Didn't it know he would ruin the earth? If it knew why did it go ahead to create it? If it didn't know, why did bother to create us when it knew we would come to a world where what it created would subject us to suffering and hardship?

This god sounds confused undecided

Every evil is from Satan and we have the power to counter his works.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Your god is responsible for evil. It said so itself in it's "holy" book undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 7:44am On Jun 02, 2016
Joagbaje:
Some were documented. I watched this live on a live television few years ago. Watched the miracle 1min 22seconds



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX43lBn3dEA
My other questions nko? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 7:27am On Jun 02, 2016
Joagbaje:
A woman I know . Give birth . Medically they said it's still birth . Baby was born dead . The nurses slapped the baby to cry multiple times but no response . She asked about the baby and when she was told she wouldn't take it . She took the. Baby and shouted COME ALIVE IN JESUS NAME . The baby cried and came alive she's about . 12 years old now.

There had been cases where doctors said a child was not well positioned and the woman must go through operation and a man of God stretch hand and baby comes out instantly .
Hmm interesting. That is inspiring.

The only problem with religious claims is that no one else is ever there to verify and ALL religions have similar testimonies.

Every single one of the 4,000 different religions have claims of miracles. Do we say ALL the gods are powerful or that people simply attribute these instances to their own god.

Still, why isn't god doing anything about all the 21,000 children that die around the world. Check the post where I mentioned you and kindly share your opinion.
Sports › Re: Nigerian Athlete, Adeloye, Fails Drug Test, Bags Eight-year Ban-the Guardian by hahn(m): 7:05am On Jun 02, 2016
When 40 year olds involve themselves in sports meant for 15-20 year olds due to corruption this is what you get undecided
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesus Christ Issue; Son Or God? by hahn(m): 6:57am On Jun 02, 2016
Amberon11:
You will believe a silly writeup by a paranoid but not the most proven book in the history of mankind - the bible.

Fool of the first other cheesy
Lol. See the level of your thinking grin

A book that has talking snakes, a man walking on water, a god destroying the world twice because of sin but sin still exists, a god that is tribalistic and genocidal, that claims the earth is flat, that claims god said "let there be light" but never considered different time zones, a book that supports slavery, a book that plagiarized most of it's stories from other ancient myths is what you refer to as "most proven book in the history of mankind?

Apparently, you do not read tongue
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 6:02am On Jun 02, 2016
Amberon11:
A couple months ago, a video was posted here of how a dead child was raised by a renounced pastor. Did you post that? or you simply labelled it as false, unverifiable information?? Yes!,while there are few cases like this, our Lord Jesus has proved and is still proving himself with diverse signs, wonders and miracles all around the globe.
Lol. There is no proof that was even true. Why didn't god replicate that feat on the 21,000 children that die everyday due to hunger and disease? undecided

Today, around 21,000 children died around the world

Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.

That is equivalent to:

1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute
A 2011 Libya conflict-scale death toll every day
A 2010 Haiti earthquake occurring every 10 days
A 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring every 11 days
An Iraq-scale death toll every 19–46 days
Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
Some 92 million children dying between 2000 and 2010
The silent killers are poverty, hunger, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. Despite the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.


http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world
About 29,000 children under the age of five – 21 each minute – die every day, mainly from preventable causes.
More than 70 per cent of almost 11 million child deaths every year are attributable to six causes: diarrhoea, malaria, neonatal infection, pneumonia, preterm delivery, or lack of oxygen at birth.
These deaths occur mainly in the developing world. An Ethiopian child is 30 times more likely to die by his or her fifth birthday than a child in Western Europe. Among deaths in children, South-central Asia has the highest number of neonatal deaths, while sub-Saharan Africa has the highest rates. Two-thirds of deaths occur in just 10 countries.
And the majority are preventable. Some of the deaths occur from illnesses like measles, malaria or tetanus. Others result indirectly from marginalization, conflict and HIV/AIDS. Malnutrition and the lack of safe water and sanitation contribute to half of all these children’s deaths.

http://www.unicef.org/mdg/childmortality.html
What is the almighty god doing about this? undecided

Joagbaje:
Also there are many cases doctors gave up on which got turn around by faith healing . Such were not given publicity
Please give proof.
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 7:41pm On Jun 01, 2016
Picture of the poor innocent baby.

Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 7:39pm On Jun 01, 2016
The Followers of Christ Church has a history of rejecting medical care for children and relying on as prayer and anointing the sick with oils.

Five other church members have been convicted in Clackamas County for crimes related to the rejection of medical care for their children.

The Hickmans' conviction on second-degree manslaughter charges typically requires a mandatory minimum sentence of six years in prison.

But many feared that, because of a religious exemption in state law at time of the crime, they might have received just 18 months in prison and a $250,000 fine.

In response to deaths among Followers of Christ members, state lawmakers removed the religious defences from criminal laws this year.

Those exemptions had made it tougher to convict parents shunning a child's medical care for religious reasons instead of neglect.

The change will allow prosecutors to seek stiffer manslaughter or murder charges in faith-healing cases.

On Monday, Prosecutor Mike Regan said a message needed to be sent to the church that child abuse for any motive is still child abuse.

He said: 'These generally are good, decent, law-abiding folks, except in this one narrow area of their lives. One (area) where they have told us stubbornly – and arrogantly, if I may – that 'We are not going to change.'
'
The law of civil society demands that they change. It demands that we sent a message to all of them that whether you believe this or not in Oregon, you cannot act upon that belief.'
T
wo other parents from the church were convicted earlier this year for failing to seek medical care for their infant daughter.
She had a growth that could have left her blind in one eye - and they were sentenced to three months in jail.
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 7:37pm On Jun 01, 2016
During the 2011 trial, a doctor had testified that David would have had a '99 percent chance' of surviving had the couple called 911.

The baby officially died of staphylococcus pneumonia, which could have been treated.

'As the evidence unfolded and the witnesses testified, it became evident to me and certainly to the jury … that this death just simply did not need to occur,' Judge Robert Herndon said.

Prosecutors explained during the trial that David was born with a bacterial infection and underdeveloped lungs.

Mr Hickman said he didn't call 911 because he was praying. The couple never considered taking the baby to the hospital, prosecutors said.

Shannon Hickman said that she must defer to her husband because of church rules.

'I think it's God's will whatever happens,' she testified.

The baby boy died quickly and there was no evidence that medical care would have saved him, Mark Cogan, defending, told the court.
Christianity Etc › Faith Healing Couple Will Go To Prison For Manslaughter Of Baby by hahn(op): 7:36pm On Jun 01, 2016
Faith-healing couple who prayed and rubbed oil on the head of their sickly newborn instead of calling 911 WILL go to prison for letting him die

Dale and Shannon Hickman were found guilty of manslaughter in 2011
They were members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon
Their son David was born two months premature in 2009
He died hours after a home birth when couple refused to go to hospital
Their conviction was upheld last week by the state's Supreme Court
They will serve six years each in prison


An Oregon couple who prayed and rubbed olive on their dying son following a home birth rather than call 911 and seek help will continue to serve six years in prison each after a judge upheld their manslaughter conviction.

Dale and Shannon Hickman, both 30, were both convicted in 2011 of second-degree manslaughter for the death of their son, David, who died nine hours after his home birth in 2009.

David was born two months early at his grandmother's home with undeveloped lungs, and died after having trouble breathing and turning blue.
The Hickman's - members of a controversial faith-healing church in Oregon - had appealed their conviction, on the grounds that the prosecution had the burden to prove the couple knew their religious beliefs would cause the death of their child, The New York Daily News reported.
But the plea was rejected by the Oregon Supreme Court last week.

Last week a judge rejected an appeal made by the couple and reiterated that they could have done more to try and save their son.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html#ixzz4AM0g0x00

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There are more gullible people here undecided
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Celebrities › Re: What These People Do Underwater Will Shock You (photos/video) by hahn(m): 7:26am On Jun 01, 2016
matrix199:
These folks always seem to do the impossible.
And the seemingly unnecessary undecided

Later dem go dey find who go cry for their funeral. Na those kind party good for mo gbo mo branch. Awon werey tongue
Culture › Re: How Did You Become Certain There Is No God by hahn(m): 5:28pm On May 29, 2016
Muafrika2:
Anybody can. Their fruits.

The people who know God will seek to please Him.
undecided

For Christians who think that believing and worshipping an imaginary being would simply simply set them on the roll of heaven's list.

Christians usually state: "supposing there exist a creator, the believer has nothing to lose but the atheist will lose everything"

That's an illogical statement.

1st: the bible stated that there is no one righteous.

2nd: it also stated that no unrighteous person will go to heaven.

I do not know if anyone has spotted the contradictions. In a logical perspective, if later, there is found to be any proof that a creator exist, this would simply mean that no one will make heaven beceause no one is righteous. So both the atheist and the theist loses everything. Proofs are all we need.
grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Billions Of Prayers Wasted by hahn(m): 11:39am On May 29, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Your delusion knows no end brother . Sadly , you'll realise this when its too late .
I am not the one who has an imaginary friend who has an imaginary enemy here smiley
Culture › Re: How Did You Become Certain There Is No God by hahn(m): 11:38am On May 29, 2016
Muafrika2:
It's not about being certain. It's about never knowing God. The people who have known God cannot unknow him, or doubt His existence.
KingEbukasBlog:
My God ! I love this comment . How can you doubt the existence of God if you've known him before huh It does not make sense . People like Johnydon22 , hahn , plaetton , dalaman , JackBizzle , kay17 and AgentofAllah never knew God , so I laugh hysterically when they claim they started questioning their "faith" . Am like nigga you never knew God in the first place . Any Christian who knows God will never question his faith.

I read John's comment on arguments that would shake someone's faith . And all I could see was delusion . cool .
Can either of you claim to be an authority in the art of identifying those who "know god"?
Christianity Etc › Re: Nigeria’s Looming Economic Troubles Is A Sign Of End Times by hahn(m): 6:42am On May 29, 2016
MrPresident1:
Hey Chief, good morning.
You got blood flowing in your veins? That is God. cheesy
undecided

No, that is blood
Christianity Etc › Re: Nigeria’s Looming Economic Troubles Is A Sign Of End Times by hahn(m): 6:38am On May 29, 2016
MrPresident1:
Oh, that one? cheesy I thought Jesus would come in the opening days of the Anno lucis, But we are still in the Anno lucis so anything can still happen according to this prophecy by Isaiah:

Isaiah 63:4
For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.


That thread scared the sh!t out of you, right? cheesy cheesy cheesy.
Lol. Come on fam, we both know all that ain't real. Especially your god smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Biblical To Say "Develop A Personal Relationship With God"? by hahn(m): 6:35am On May 29, 2016
Femiwilli:
That you believe in God does not change the fact that hell awaits u for denying God lipsrsealed
Off point undecided

I do not believe in any god. Including yours.

The fact you believe in a god doesn't mean it is real.

And you will still go to all the other available "hell".

Oh, and hell doesn't exist either tongue
Agriculture › Re: Please, Who Knows The Name Of This Plant by hahn(op): 6:33am On May 29, 2016
divineappo:
I know it, it's sweet. I ate it in delta state, they have it there. It has a white seed in it after leaking it. By the way, where did you find it? Which state are you in?
OK. Thanks. We found it somewhere in my hood o. We live in Ogun state. There is a lot of it here.

I am always careful about things I put in my mouth and me and wifey got into an argument over it and that is why I decided to bring it here.

Thanks

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