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Is Fashola indeed a Saint? |
Fashola & Mega Corruption: The True Face Of Lagos (1) We are tax payers resident in Lagos who are desperately desirous of accountability since taxes have recently become major revenue of Lagos State government We are tax payers resident in Lagos who are desperately desirous of accountability since taxes have recently become major revenue of Lagos State government. In the developed societies where a similar revenue regime operates, associations such as ours have acted as Government watchdogs, which is why some of us have decided to take up the gauntlet of championing the cause of taxpayers in the state. After all, if we don't pay our taxes, government can charge and eventually jail us. In the last ten years, tax revenue has come to constitute about 75 percent of government revenue base, yet, the government never bothers to render account to tax payers in Lagos . In the last three years alone, a colossal sum of 1.1 trillion naira was budgeted by Fashola's government with the government itself affirming that it has consistently recorded a minimum of 75 percent of budget performance out of which 80 per cent came from Internally Generated Revenue (IGR). This is 30 percent more than the entire budgets recorded by successive governments between 1992-2007 - a period spanning 15 years. Today, the total tax revenue of Lagos on a monthly basis hovers between N14 and N17 billion while federal allocations come to N6 billion monthly. This is more than the revenue of seven states put together on a monthly basis. But how has the governor been spending the money? While we note the heavy investments on roads and environmental infrastructure mainly and commendably so, there is the need to question some of the ways the governor has been expending tax money which in our opinion reflects financial recklessness, mismanagement, gross constitutional violations and abuse of office. Set below are some of the expenditures which the government claimed to have incurred on behalf of 'Lagosians' and which we feel were mere avenues to corruptly enrich some privileged individuals in and out of government and to which the state House of Assembly under the tutelage of 'governor Emeritus' otherwise known as the Lion of Bourdillon has become an accomplice covering up a lot of misdeeds on the part of the executive. Just last week, it was alleged that each member of the House was given a sum of N20million through a lawyer member of the House from the Lagos west senatorial district, the constituency of the governor emeritus himself. When this was about to be leaked to the press, the Lion of Bourdillon used his powerful media contacts through two of his former aids who are media chieftains to suppress the leakage. Were this not to be the case, we would have otherwise sent these complaints to the House of Assembly. But since we no longer trust this pliant House of Assembly, we have decided to go public with the following: 1. Last year, Fashola (BRF) gave N250 million to Rotimi Akeredolu led Exco of NBA for the NBA conference held in Lagos, at a time when Lagos teachers and doctors were on strike for improved welfare package. 2. The BRF government within 6 months, January to June 2009 spent N420 million on hiring of private security to guard him despite his heavy investment in the Police Force through the State Security Trust Fund. 3. BRF spent N1.5 billion to demolish the Bank of Industry (BOI) building, paying a company introduced by one Tunji Olowolafe in cash transfer only for him and his cronies to claim the land adjacent to it. 4. BRF government awarded part of Western Avenue (Funsho Williams Road), about two kilometres road for N7.7 billion just between Abalti Barracks and Costain. Without the construction of any bridges, the project was carried out by Julius Berger. This project must certainly be investigated. 5. Between January and June 2009, the BRF government claimed to have fuelled 225 vehicles in his office alone with N135 million. These figures amount to about N800, 000 per day, at a time that petrol was sold for N65 per litre and government always gets it cheaper, but BRF claimed to have bought it at N85 per litre. 6. Also between January and June 2009, BRF's Chief of Staff and PAs expended N290 million in sending TEXT Messages and phone CALLS on their lines. 7. It is also very sickening to know that the BRF government awarded the construction of a road and drains inside Gbagada General Hospital for over N1.8 billion to the same Tunji Olowolafe's company (DEUX Projects Limited). 8. The sum of 1.5 billion of un-appropriated funds, without approval was claimed to have been spent on demolition of Oshodi. 9. The Helicopter Deal was a big fraud. The helicopter was not built for any kind of emergency evacuation, rescue or to even combat urban fire. Over N5 billion has been spent on the two helicopters. The seal of Lagos State is not on it and it is not even in Lagos but in the Niger Delta making money for some private people in government. The whole helicopter deal stinks to high heavens; it constitutes the biggest governmental fraud of all times and confirms the rot in the State. See ThisDay December 19, 2009 10. The SSA (Media) to BRF spent N183 million in 6 months on press coverage and on editors outside the approved budget but funded directly from the Governor's Office. 11. In a State where children are sitting on the floor in classrooms, where unemployment is rampant and poverty pervasive, BRF paid a lady wife of a controversial pastor over N600 million in two years for Xmas Decorations for about six streets in Lagos. 12. In six months between January and June 2009, BRF spent on several faceless organisations, subventions, grants and donations and they quickly pocketed N2 billion. The Ripping Off Of Lagos- Essential Details 1. The BRF government recklessly increased and paid over 60 percent increase on the LASU IBA road awarded by the Bola Tinubu government for N6.2 billion but was jerked up to N10 billion less than two weeks that BRF came on board. 2. Also, the Tinubu administration awarded the construction of City Hall for N2.3 billion. BRF only changed the floor tiles to marble tiles and increased the contract sum to N5.2 billion. This project was increased by 126 per cent. 3. Publishing of INDICATOR Magazine, is falsely presented to the public as a private magazine but is actually co-ordinated by Tunji Olowolafe and Hakeem Bello, SSA (Media) to BRF with government money. 4. BRF recently gave a media-related Permanent Secretary, and some others the sum of N100 million to do a soap opera on himself. They are presently in London recording the film. 5. The BRF government has failed woefully in the area of Public Private Partnership (PPP) in three years. Yet, BRF is paying the PPP boss in Lagos State N2 million per month in violation of the Constitution, when even commissioners recognised by the Constitution are receiving N300,000 per month. The PPP guy is the highest paid government official presiding over a non-performing and failed parastatal. 6. The Beautification Programme of Fashola administration is reeking with corruption. In a State where there is no water, where over 90 percent of the roads in Lagos are in a deplorable state of disrepair, he is spending over N13 billion on planting grass and flowers. Most of the money was spent to import palm trees from Niger Republic, a sahel region belt when Lagos is in the rain forest which explains why most of them have dried up, 7. Also, it is important to note that the renovation of classrooms of usually 12 blocks plus one which was done for N26 million by the Tinubu administration up till 2007 was increased to N53 million with the collaboration of the housing commissioner who is supervising projects in the education ministry. 8. CCTV project was awarded to BRF's relation who claimed to be acting for CISCO. The contract was awarded for $62 million dollars, while the rejected quotation for the contract was $30 million. It is important to note that this is only a pilot scheme. 9. BRF's wife travels abroad once bi-monthly and takes N30 million per trip from the State coffers, apart from her monthly running cost. 10. The mother of all rip offs is the award to DEUX PROJECT LIMITED, a company owned by the powerful Tunji Olowolafe 11 out of 19 contracts in the Lagos State Ministry of health between January and August 2009. Out of N5.6 billion contract in the Ministry of Health, Olowolafe alone collected N5.1 billion worth and was paid 70 percent upfront in cash. Other Questions 1. Why did BRF divert N1.85 billion in the Ministry of Women Affairs and Poverty Alleviation to a project that was not originally provided for in the budget and promptly awarded to Olowolafe? 2. Why is the Lawyer in BRF's administration illegally deducting funds from the statutory allocation of the Local Governments in Lagos State? 3. Why was the Mayegun Scheme sold to Olowolafe and other friends and cronies against public interest without any independent valuation by relevant agency of government? Why is the size of the scheme shielded in secrecy? Why was N5.2 billion for which the land was sold untraceable? Where is the over N2 billion loan borrowed to sand-fill the place? What is the fate of the Tourism and Art-craft sellers chased away from the place? 4. Pinnacle why did the governor and his cronies engage in questionable transfer of 400 hectares of land to Pinnacle, South Africa, when it is known that the company is almost bankrupt and the ABSA Bank now owns over 60 percent of the Company. What nature of PPP is this? The world is watching! 5.Why was the illegal sand-filling of about 1 km in the Badagry Marina awarded for N1.5 billion out of which N700 million has been paid yet the contractors and the Tourism Ministry have completely destroyed all the historical relics and artefacts in the area? It has also created an environmental disaster for West Africa because of greed. It appears the Commissioner has been settled. Fashola And Constitutional Violations 1.Flagrant and deliberate disregard for the Appropriation law passed by the Lagos State House of Assembly, in violation of Section 120 of the 1999 Constitution. 2. Criminal diversion of funds without due approval of the Lagos State House of Assembly, in further violation of Section 120 (3) of the 1999 Constitution. 3. Indiscriminate award of contracts without due process, without following the laid down financial regulations as well as the public procurement guidelines. The payment of such contracts is in violation of Part (E) Section 120(4) of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. 4. Most Ministries, Departments, Parastatals sometimes do not know when contracts are awarded in their names and for what purpose, they only find out later and they don't know when payments to contractors are made by the State Treasury Office. This is in further violation of Section 121(2) of the 1999 Constitution. 5. Illegal and unwarranted deductions from the statutory Allocation of the local governments. This is in direct contravention of Public Revenue Provision of the 1999 Constitution and in violation of Section 162 sub-section 6, 7 and 8. 6. Opening of illegal and unconstitutional Dedicated Accounts which is contrary to the provision of the 1999 Constitution and which Revenue Monitoring Agency is unaware of. This act is in direct violation of Section 120(1) of the 1999 Constitution. 7. Office of the Chief of Staff which is unknown to the Constitution has more staff than any other Ministry in Lagos State . This violation is very grave as it is in direct breach of the Governor's Oath of Office in the 7th Schedule of the 1999 Constitution Section 13 and a gross violation of Sections 192, 193 and 208(2d) of the 1999 Constitution. 8. Indiscriminate borrowing by the Ministry of Finance without legislative approval, which the Finance Commissioner calls Bridging Loans, is a grave assault on Fiscal Federalism, a coup against Financial Regulations and a shameful and criminal violation of Section 120(1), (2), (3) and (4) of the 1999 Constitution. 9. Concentration of over 70 per cent of Lagos State Government contracts in the hands of one Tunji Olowolafe. This is the clearest indication of the betrayal of trust by Governor Fashola, it is against the Oath of Office he swore to, it is a violation of Sections 14(4), 15(5) and 17(2a) of the 1999 Constitution on which social objective of a just, free and equitable social order is founded. 10. Arbitrary use of Special Expenditure Vote for activities not originally provided for under the Appropriation Law. This is a further betrayal of Fiscal Federalism and a violation of provisions of Section 120(3) and (4), and Section 123(1) and (2) of the 1999 Constitution. 11. Payment of 70per cent up-front to persons and cronies for contracts not yet executed. Similarly, this is a contravention of Section 120(4) of the 1999 Constitution. 12. Giving arbitrary donations to selective professional associations and faceless organisations for acting as sycophants without appropriate authorisation by relevant constitutional bodies. This is a clear violation of sections 120(4) and 123 of the 1999 Constitution 13. The fraudulent purported acquisition of 2 Bell 412 EP Series Helicopters from a Canadian firm constitute a flagrant violation of Section 123(1) and (2) and Section 120(4) of the 1999 Constitution. 14. Furthermore, the award of contract of courts and other Judicial Infrastructure as well as procurement for the Judiciary in Lagos State by the Attorney-General, Tunji Olowolafe and Governor Fashola is in gross violation of Section 121(3) of the 1999 Constitution. In all these aberrations, the Lagos State House of Assembly has kept mute, and the House has become inept, archaic, drab, docile and inefficient. All the noise by Mr. Speaker about accountability and probity be only to enable house members line their pockets and feed fat on the sweat and toil of the people of the state? Is it also true that they have been given their own share of the loot, they are maintaining undignified silence over the report of the ad hoc committee set up to look into the books and activities of the Lagos State Government pursuant to Section 103 of the 1999 Constitution with powers expressly provided in sections 1a, b(i) and (ii), as well as Section 129 1 a b c and d. We are aware that the report has been submitted since November 2009, so why is the Lagos State House of Assembly still sitting on the report? This is just a tip of the ice berg of financial recklessness by the Lagos executive led the seemingly performing Governor Fashola! More soon. * By Tunde George & Kasali Martins http://nationalpointonline.com/nponline/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1699&cntnt01returnid=15 |
Shoot2Kill:I will support the call too to have multiple Capitals, if indeed, it will not involve corruption. The benefits will be too numerous: 1. It will create employment. 2. It will lead to rapid development. 3. It will create a sense of belonging. 4. Tax payers money will at least for ones, be judiciously used, compared to over blotted Abuja contracts. 5. It [b]may serve [/b]as capital for the whole of Niger Delta. Port-harcourt, is totally out of it. 6. It will bring government closer to the people. 7. Another capital in Niger Delta, may serve as check and balance, and make government more accountable. These are just the few, amongst the numerous benefits. South Africa has about four capitals, and there is relative peace, except for crime, AIDS, and cry for help by locals, for employment. |
New wife too dey shack!. Abeg leave the man jare. D'banj go look for your own. |
Federal Territory for Oil City . Na wah oh!. |
selingel:Let us say it the way it is. No Nigerian will say no to N1m, while the only son and child is dieing in the hospital. Not even a Nigerian Pope!. ![]() |
Thats good, but can it be repeated at a more senior position? |
If there is any complain from the members of the Public, the Police said, you should this number: 08061243356. It belongs to the Police Service Commission. They want to discipline any officer, who mingle in any shady deals. |
At Nnewi, some people wore NYSC uniforms, and they were not corpers. They want to have easy movement during election period. They were noticed when they entered a business center to print NYSC I.D. cards. |
Anambra: Politicians scramble to buy voters’ card electoral officers From CHIDI NNADI, WILLY EYA, VINCENT UKPONG KALU and GEOFFREY ANYANWU, Awka Saturday, February 06, 2010 After the close of campaigns by political parties on Thursday, in Anambra State, some of the politicians have resorted to mopping up voters’ cards to give their parties an edge in today’s election. Also, it was gathered that electoral officers are now hot cakes, as politicians are offering them money. Investigation by Saturday Sun revealed that a business mogul, who is a strong financier of one of the leading parties in the state, rolled out bags stocked with money to buy voters’ cards. Each cards is bought for N3, 000. However, when Saturday Sun contacted a party stalwart in the camp of the billionaire businessman, who pleaded anonymity, he said that his leader indeed, shared money, but not for the purpose of buying up voters’ cards. According to him, the businessman is known for his philanthropy, as he usually visits home to share money at festive periods and occasions, such as the Anambra governorship election. Saturday Sun investigations also revealed that top politicians had, towards the end of last week, bought voters’ cards in the state at N2, 000 per card. The price increased to N3, 000 yesterday. Also, rumours were rife that some political parties were thumb-printing ballot papers in various parts of the state, especially at the rural areas. In Abba, one of the communities, where the thumb-printing was alleged to be going on, a former council boss was said to have provided his house for this dubious work, to favour his political party. Saturday Sun also gathered that in a hotel in a certain area of Awka South, some stakeholders of the same leading political party were seen plotting rigging strategies. Also, in a popular hotel in GRA, Onitsha, a top politician was seen sharing money to the people to vote for his choice candidate. In a related development, political parties are said to have swooped on electoral officers, who just arrived, offering them money to work for them. Investigation revealed that each of the electoral officers was offered N20 million to favour a particular leading political party. Saturday Sun gathered that the political party offering the electoral officers money appeared to have got wind of the people to be posted for the polls, ahead of their arrival in Anambra and therefore, went after them. Reacting to the alleged bribing electoral officers, the INEC PRO, Mrs. Ofong said that there have been so much rumours in the state since the beginning of the week. She challenged those who are peddling the rumours to come up with concrete evidence and see how the commission would act. She said that the list and the posting of the electoral officers were yet to be out it. According to her, no electoral officer is sure of posting and where he or she would be posted. Saturday Sun found out that the electoral officers from various parts of the country arrived last night and have not been posted. It was gathered that the posting may be tomorrow morning, as the temporary shed for the distribution of election materials was still under construction yesterday. In a related development, it was gathered that the election collation form, known as E8DC, has been removed from the seal cartons or envelopes by the Resident Electoral Commissioner, in the absence of party agents, contrary to INEC rules that they should be removed only in the presence of party agents to ensure that they are tamper proof. It was also gathered that cartons 1 to 13 of the result sheets are available in the INEC office, Awka, while cartons 14, 15 and 16 are missing. Some political partiers also alleged that 22 INEC administration officers from all over the country were yesterday summoned to Abuja by the INEC leadership, with a view to instructing them to deliver a particular candidate . Each of them was said to have got N20, 000 a particular candidate’s agents, with a promise to give much more so as to rig the election in his favour. Meanwhile, a female electoral officer was said to have been arrested by the police at the INEC headquarters in Awka for throwing an illegal electoral material into an electoral vehicle going to Ekwusigo Local Government Area. When the illegal material was examined, it was found to be a fake voters register. Sources said that electoral materials are being under supplied to areas where a particular candidate seems weak and oversupplied to areas where it appears fairly strong. Reacting to this development, a media assistant to the Action Congress candidate, Chris Ngige, said that the party had not heard of the alleged bribery and if it was taking place, it was not their party. Also, the Chief Press Secretary to Anambra State governor said that they heard the rumor and are waiting for confirmation before they would react. Commenting on the allegation of buying voters cards and others, the Civil Liberty Organisation (CLO), Anambra State branch, speaking through Comrade Aloysius Attah, said: “Our position remains that anything that will thwart free and fair election in Anambra must be resisted,” adding that the culprits should be punished. “We heard that there were people thumb-printing voting cards and others buying voters cards. We also heard that INEC already has a candidate and has arranged to have two different ballot papers for the election.” http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2010/feb/06/newsbreak-02-06-2010-001.htm |
Some men were caught, filling INEC observation forms as at yesterday night. They are now with the Police. |
Two helicopters have been deployed, probably to help with security, and distribute the materials. |
There are also presence of Army officers. |
News and Pictures from AIT: The town is calm and relatively peaceful, and there is heavy presence of Police men. Some voters and party officials are just waiting as at 9:09am for INEC officials. Obviously, there will be delay in voting process. |
Anambra updateeeeeeeesssssss plllllllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssseeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Just looking for cheap points to make this thread thick!. I am out of here, please!. |
Please info about Anambra elections, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Na today? Meanwhile, how much did he pay you for this? ![]() |
What is so political about that? Poster use your head! ![]() |
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bettes:Placing of coffin there, was not necessary, rather, it was very barbaric. |
Coffin turns up in Electoral office By Ifedayo Adebayo February 5, 2010 02:32AM A strange sarcophagus was, on Thursday morning, abandoned near the gate of the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) office in Awka, Anambra State, the Resident Electoral Commissioner (REC), Josiah Uwazuronye, said. Mr. Uwazuronye, who said the placement was meant to scare officials of the commission, described the incidence as an empty threat that cannot intimidate the commission nor derail it from discharging its constitutional duty. “Their action is like pouring a bottle of salt in an ocean and whatever is the devilish plan intended, it will go back to them because what we are doing here is good and for the betterment of the state and the nation,” he said. The state Police command’s spokesperson, Emeka Chukwuemeka, confirmed the act but said the coffin had been removed by the command. He said the coffin had a warning note pasted on it by an unknown group called Anambra Revolution Movement. According to the copy of the note pasted to the coffin, staff of the commission should not support rigging in Saturday’s gubernatorial election or they risk being killed with their family members. “Any INEC staff that aids rigging in our state shall die. His family will not be spared. Be warned!” Parade of controversies As the election day draws near, political tension has spread across the 21 local governments in the state. Controversies range from perceived bias in the choice of independent observers to alleged plot to print illegal ballot boxes. The Action Aid Nigeria, which claimed that it had in partnership with the Department for International Department (DFID) been conducting voter’s education and engaging stakeholders in the state for violence-free poll, said in a statement yesterday that the commission should desist from excluding well known and credible Nigerian civil society groups from monitoring the elections. The Country Director of Action Aid Nigeria, Hussaini Abdu said “the credibility of the election would be affected if such groups are not allowed. Power is supposed to be exercised by the Chairman of the commission through structures and systems put in place to manage the society, in a way that the dignity of the people can be preserved by defending the integrity of their votes. That is glaringly missing at the moment,” he said. The Action Aid Human Security in Conflict & Emergencies Advisor, Gbenro Olajuyigbe, also alleged that the commission has not so far opened voters register for inspection. We “regret the fact that Voters’ list had not been displayed, leading to apprehension by sections of the electorate and the political groups that this may work in favour of particular candidate(s),” he said. Mr. Uwazuronye, however, said the commission has intensified preparations ahead of Saturday’s governorship elections. He said sensitive materials, including ballot papers and result sheets, arrived in the office on Wednesday from Abuja through the Akanu Ibiam International Airport, Enugu. Back Dear reader. While we value your feedback we have to moderate them, so your comments would appear in a maximum of one hour. Please feel free to return and read through again after another user may have replied to what you have said. Please note that 234NEXT.com bears no responsibility for what readers post, and is not liable for any form of impersonation. reader comments (9) Posted by Chux on Feb 05 2010 Hello Mr Coffin maker, please follow ur threat with actions please cos I know rigging will be an understatement at Anambra during the election. Posted by Dr. Rilwan on Feb 05 2010 This is actually what these barbarians called politicians deserve, more should be placed in the National Assembly on a daily basis. No one we tell me there was no hint of fear in the INECs commissioners response to this. Posted by Mend Them on Feb 05 2010 I believe mend should personally visit the FEC or its members with explosives. let them know the hardship we are facing in this country. habba enough is enough. We will start killing them it thats what it takes. Posted by Sadiq on Feb 05 2010 INEC your comment, with regard to casket found in your premises, is not necessary as a matter of fact. Be honest and you would have no cause for alarm. Part of your constitutional duties is 2 conduct free and fair election and that's what's these youth are urging you. I don't see any harm in that. Posted by Sadiq on Feb 05 2010 INEC your comment, with regard to casket found in your premises, is not necessary as a matter of fact. Be honest and you would have no cause for alarm. Part of your constitutional duties is 2 conduct free and fair election and that's what's these youth are urging you. I don't see any harm in that. Posted by Sadiq on Feb 05 2010 INEC your comment, with regard to casket found in your premises, is not necessary as a matter of fact. Be honest and you would have no cause for alarm. Part of your constitutional duties is 2 conduct free and fair election and that's what's these youth are urging you. I don't see any harm in that. Posted by Sadiq on Feb 05 2010 INEC your comment, with regard to casket found in your premises, is not necessary as a matter of fact. Be honest and you would have no cause for alarm. Part of your constitutional duties is 2 conduct free and fair election and that's what's these youth are urging you. I don't see any harm in that. Posted by Sadiq on Feb 05 2010 There is no cause for alarm INEC. That is if you are willing to be honest. No thing call for all the comment you are making if only you don't have ulterio motive. Voting the right candidate and ensuring that he remained voted means good health and well being of the electorate. Making all efforts at ensuring such I deem it as legitimate, from the perspective of the progressive.
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Enjoyment1:Just an ordinary state election and it is like these!, then 2011 elections will make or mare Nigeria. |
switch47:Thanks for the correction. Posters, please note!. |
Hardtalk:This is one reason why genuine students do not have admissions in Nigeria. I wonder when this rubbish will stop. How can all these useless lists gulp 2,000 slots out of the available 3,000. May GOD help us!. |
Admission: Mimiko rejects royal fathers’ lists The Vice Chancellor of the Adekunle Ajasin University, Akungba Akoko (AAUA), Prof. Femi Mimiko, has disappointed some monarchs and top politicians in the state who sent lists of candidates to him for admission into the university. Mimiko, who insisted on sanitising the state-owned university, said the names on the lists sent to him since his assumption of office were in excess of 2,000, while the school had the capacity to admit only 3,000 for full time programmes. While speaking at a get-together organised by his friends in Akure, the AAUA VC said that so many big-wigs in the state which included monarchs, chieftains of the ruling political party and some political appointees had been sending lists to him for admission, but maintained that the admission would be mainly on merit. http://www.newsstarng.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2100:admission-mimiko-rejects-royal-fathers-lists&catid=71:news&Itemid=28 |
jice:Really!. Lets not just talk, or contribute, but we need to follow up things too!. Let someone come with any idea about this guy, and his adventure, so that others can learn positively, or otherwise, if that is the case. |
jice:Really!. Lets not just talk, or contribute, but we need to follow up things too!. Let someone come with any idea about this guy, and his adventure, so that others can learn positively, or otherwise, if that is the case. |
oge4real:It baffles me as well. What is this world really turning into? |

