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lol see your mind . you owe me 5 bucks i didn't read it again.

she's not engaged right continue trying your luck.

Lol! @ lindsay lohan.


AMC = All My Children
OLTL = One Life to Live
GH = General Hospital

you read my mind.

ibkaye:
HCH3COO , are you ok?

what's your problem

Ha, the few I've watched is enough for me to know, please. The shy-est(is that a word?) or most reserved American kid actor can still not be compared to the Nigerian one, I'm sorry but it's true. I don't even watch much American movies either, am more into soaps. So, forget d population thingy. I think they're pretty equal in this case as I don't know much American kid actors either.

Shiest is the superlative of shy.  Hummmm, I don't know what you serve to prove by comparing American actor to Naija actor.  I mentioned before that acting in nollywood is barely bearable.  Our area of discussion concerns street smarts.  You don't' need to be an actor/ress to be smart.  The same American kids who were smart when little grew up to do the stupidest of things, so you should think of another method of proving that Americans are superior because this one isnt' working o.

anyway let's talk of the stuff that actually interests you . . .
which soaps do you watch?  AMC, OLTL, GH . . . ?

Dude, you get my point, that's all that matters. The contradicting thingy was an error because I was posting in a rush.

yeah right. sure 

what an insult

why are you people hating. ibkaye & unique-wun your curiousity no go kill you. see as you find thick lips enter my profile. wetin you see? na fine bobo no be so?

lol i like i that way. the women love thick lips .
which woman wants to get swallowed? pic on profile o

what of me
pic on profile

Orimili:
Not really. One thing is to give up, the other thing is to realize that I have more important things to do with my time than to argue with people over the internet.  Maybe you have all the free time in the world, good for you. However, in real life, I work in research that could save lives, and I'm not going to waste my life on you.

Oh please . . . what do you consider this and other talks we have had?  We can all claim to have better things to do with our time yet we choose to do this because . . . .
But you are free to do the better things you have chosen.  Have Fun!

I didn't think that anyone over 10 still worried about name-calling or someone else picking on them,

Are you suggesting that those who disagree with the name calling are under 10?  That's faulty.
There are people over 10 who worry about being unfairly targeted.  I hope I don't have to provide you with examples.  There are so many of them that will quell your thoughts.

and I certainly didn't expect this discussion to last as long as it did.

Neither did I.

Mind you, neither Barack nor Michelle are crying about such things. You are, as well as some others. The law is the law, and if you bothered to study US history, you would understand that you can probably move to fix your own issues with it, but it's only going to create more problems for you, dragging you into an endless circle (at least, as far as racism goes).

Gaahh, where do I begin Orimili.  I don't think Michelle liked being called a baby mama, I don't think her daughters think it's polite to be termed bastards, and I don't think I need to see them say this to know that they dislike it.  I could be a historian you never know.  I am not an historian but I feel I know enough about US. history thank you.  I have no qualms with US history and its constitution, what is in session here is our spite for people who fail to consider proper etiquette when taking advantage of their rights. 

If you want to believe that you won, go ahead. What am I going to gain from "winning" the internet equivalent of a privates measuring contest? Not a damn thing, neither do I have anything to lose by "losing." I don't rely on, nor do I let my emotions get the best of me in any situation, as I see that yours have done. I've said my peace. Good day, sir.

I'm not interested in doing this for an e-award.  Was hoping to help you see that the law does not excuse condemning the wrongs of the media.  We should be able to discuss these issues without being called ten-year-olds by people like you who feel it's pointless.

Enjoy the rest of your day man

blood of jesus  . 

_{sisi i have missed you now} 

pit, orimi, etcetera
It's a bad generalization to start off with (i mentioned that i did it on pu rpose)  . . I apologize for it _{i don't usually generalize} and we move on.   
_{but I retain some of my opinions}

Ok, I agree there was a generalization on my part. However, seeing the ills in the Nigerian society such as hunger and poverty doesn't necessarily make one street-smart. The whole of America is not a bed of roses. Lots of people in America see such in their everyday lives.

Granted that is partly true, how else does one become street smart?   I don't think you can come up with any statistics suggesting that American kids turn out to be more street smart than Nigerian kids.  Street smarts is one of those things that can be developed from what you experience and I know Naija kids suffer too much mayhem (not saying American kids don't' either).    But glad we got that corrected.

What I meant when I said street smart is being confident and out-going in public. Can you compare the acting skills of a Nigerian kid to that of an American kid? The few Nigerian movies I' ve watched which had kids in them, the kids were either too shy to face the camera or too quiet when talking. It all boils down to the way one is brought up. The olsen twins, what age did those kids start acting?

Abeg ooo no make me laugh here jare.       . We are here chatting about being street-smart and you are discussing movies.  Let's save nollywood episodes for another thread jor.

Maybe it boils down to the way one is brought up or it boils down to your talents as an actor.  The FEW you have watched.  Also speaking from experience, the many I have watched had kids who eased into acting and in my opinion perfected the roles assigned to them.  I am with you that acting in Nigeria can be awful at times but I don't see how that measures your ability to speak out when you need to or  your street smarts.  Also remember that actors make up a minute percentage of the overall population. Not all American kids act just like not all Nigerian kids act.   

They must have been less than 5 but look how smart they were at that young age. And you dare say being outspoken isn't good.

I dare say being outspoken depends on who you are as a person.  It means little when you are too outspoken for your own good, especially when your parents are attempting to point you in the right direction. Not all American kids are outspoken by the way. 

I don't believe spanking works. It does work sometimes but not always. Some people grow a backbone to pain, y'know. If it works so much, why doesn't all students in Nigeria graduate with flying colors after receiving all those spankings for failing a test or exam? Hope you get the point.

You are contradicting yourself.  you said you don't believe it works then you said it works sometimes.  Of course it works and I speak from experience.   It may not work on everybody, but that shouldn't be misinterpreted as not working at all.

Orimili:
TL;DR

I'm not going to keep getting into a circular argument with you, as there are people that are never going to understand. I provided you with facts and you ignored them, refusing to show me evidence supporting yours. Because of this, I'm no longer going to entertain your ego, and am awaiting a more competent person to challenge my views on this particular issue. When one gets into an argument with a fool, others cannot tell the difference. It is definitely not worth it to waste my break time in the neurosurgery lab to fight with someone who cannot, and will not understand the details surrounding this issue. That would be a losing battle on both sides, with nothing but wasted resources, so I leave you to project your self-righteousness onto others. I wish you well.

Wow! You are impossible.  Understanding details surrounding fox's sexism? Fox has apologized for the remarks but you think we should understand that it's okay?  After addressing pretty much all the petty issues you have raised you sit there whining that you won't continue this discussion because I am not accepting your opinions. Hiss, whatever then.  I already explained my reasons for not accepting your opinions.  I don't just sit back watching people ride me because it's the law.  Your problem is that you think anything that's supported by the law is okay.  The law is not total protection from criticism.  There are unjust laws and there are people who use the law as an excuse to be stupid.  Recite that five times and force it into your head.  It would have been easier for you to say you give up because you ran out of other ignoble excuses.

Orimili:
Google, or any academic database, is your friend. Hell, Wikipedia, as inaccurate as it is, can give you a crash course, if you follow the right references, into the many things that make up the culture and society of the United States.

why can't you give me the summary in your own simple words.  you suggested that america has a culture and i am asking you to explain the culture to me.  90% of the people i have talked to agree that there is none.

If you cared to open a few books or make a few searches, you would notice that American culture (or as I should say, the collection of American cultures), whether you may like it or not, is a valid one, just as Igbo culture is a valid one. Sure, it may have derived from other cultures, but who's culture hasn't? American culture has grown to be distinct from every other culture in the developed world. That is a fact.

Paraphrase: you agree that it is not "American culture", it is just a derivative of other cultures.   That's like collecting excerpts of other people's works, making them into a bigger book, and calling their work yours.  it's not yours, it's their work you are borrowing.

As for hip-hop culture. I shake my head at how you just proved your own ignorance. Are you really going to make a generalization about a group of people, based on what you see on TV and radio? By that regard, one can assume that Nigerians, as well as the rest of Africa, is nothing but a group of savages who live in huts with bones in their noses, speaking a clicking language, but we both know that's not true, right?

you keep shouting ignorance left, right, front to back, what is ignorant about telling truths?  keep shaking your head but make sure it doesn't fall off.  it will require surgery and lots of money to put it back together.    the people practicing the culture of hiphop are influenced by the commanders of hiphop.  the commanders of hiphop are the little waynes calling women bitches and hos, sagging their pants and all sorts of other nonsense . . .
you think hiphop culture is good and i don't like it, it's my freedom to choose.

This must be a different America, because I distinctively remember being beaten by my parents in public for doing something wrong, as well as my friends. The police know not to get involved in family matters unless someone's health or safety is at risk.   The police have more important things to do, such as stopping crime, something I've rarely seen in Naija. There is a clear difference between discipline and child abuse. Child abuse laws protect against the latter, not the former.

LOL! Lies upon lies upon lies.  This is the same America where parents get thrown in Jail for spanking their children.  Just confess that you don't know what goes on in America and I will explain what you would like to know.
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  It happens grand scale.  Did you miss this: http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/15157311.html
or this: "This is an emergency notification regarding yet another arrest and incarceration of Kay Henson by her probation officer in the Walworth County jail. Kay is on probation because she spanked her ten year old son with her hand and was charged with felony child abuse."

Sally Lieber, a california assemply woman, introduced a legislation last year that would land you in jail for a year if you smack, or spank your child.    But of course you don't see this in the America that you live in. LMAO.

I guess you have never seen some Nigerians run away fro their homes due to dislike of being punished.

I have.  But they tend to stay.  Our culture okays punishment as a form of discipline.

have noticed similar behavior in Naija. Mind you, in the US, your parents are responsible for you until the age of 18, therefore, they are free to discipline you in any matter they choose, unlike in some parts of Naija.

your parents are free to discipline you in any matter they choose . . . . duhhhh you have basically said nothing. this applies everywhere.  it's the manner of discipline that is in question.

If the child doesn't like it, he or she has a choice to live in the streets, or as a ward of the court, which, for a sensible person, means that they have no option but to listen to their elders.  What you are describing is an extreme theme that I usually see portrayed in the media, which you are still making generalizations upon.

you are lying again.  i won't discourage you from staying glued to your tv, but i do enrourage you to go outside to experience the real world.  when you do that don't be shocked to find kids littering grocery stores, yelling at their parents, knowing that their parents can't beat on them for misbehaving.

If a child decides to be a bad fruit, it's the child's fault.  If the parent chooses to let the child become a bad fruit, it's the parent's fault.

keyword: chooses.   No one is choosing to become a bad fruit here.
It is my duty as a parent to prevent my child from being a bad fruit.  you are free to let your kids become bad fruits if you want - that's your palava.

America was built on the ability of one to live their lives, not having its every aspect ruled by a governing body.

yeah while nigeria was built on the ability of people to destroy their lives, huh?  another empty statement.  whether or not you agree, the governing body has a say in many things you do. America or not.

You don't like it, I get that. What can you do about it? Don't raise your children here. You have that choice, as my parents had theirs, and were able to raise five successful children (Two doctors to be, one businessman, and two professional athletes). It comes down to you, whether you can really handle bringing someone up in a free country, and not using culture as a crutch to hide your parenting skills, or lack thereof.

like you said it's my choice.  it's not something done out of fear of not being able to properly raise my children, and i don't think becoming a professional athlete, or whatever businessman automatically makes you a good person, but that's again my opinion.  you could be a mass murderer for all i know.

If it brings peace to your heart to think that way, who am I to change it?

It brings peace to my heart  .

i know spanking works. _{*wonders how this fits into this conversation*} shoot, when i see a misbehaved child i want' to spank them myself.

it was said post scriptum. i only offered you my advise. lol.

Orimili:
Then if you are going to legitimately complain about it, don't half-ass it. Don't fight on Obama's behalf. Fight in the behalf of everyone that has been "wronged" by freedom of speech. Complain for McCain for the media calling him old. Complain for Clinton for the media calling her a bitch. Complain for Ron Paul for the media calling him a racist lunatic. If you are going to argue about something, do it right. Don't wait for your particular interest to come along, because it will just be worthless.

Who gives a hoot on whose behalf I am complaining. I am complaining about whether the current issue is right or wrong. That's the reason we're having this discussion because you're barbarically suggesting that it's okay because it has happened in the past. If you open other topics discussing those other issues you have raised we can discuss them there. Michelle 'Baby mama' Obama is the pertinent subject here.

Strange, because I have never seen racism come to an end. Sure, it's less explicit, but racism in America is like energy, you can't destroy it. It will only change states. Racism is alive as ever, in a more implicit form. Look at the war on drugs. Look at the patriot act. Look at affirmative action. As long as more than one race or culture exists in one place, racism will always exist. I am in no way embracing it, but just stating the truth. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. What people have fought for in the past was equality, not ending racism. They wanted to take part in the rights that were granted to them in the US Constitution.

I will beg you to polish your comprehension skills. Racism will never come to an end, we know this. Its visibility and allowance is not as great or admired as in years past. What people have fought for is a right to be seen as equals, but why weren't they seen as equals in the first place? In the case of blacks, because of the physical differences observed in the color of their skin they were seen as inferiors. I don't know which America you are living in, but I don't see slaves roaming about the country picking cottons, getting whipped, stripped of their right to be humans in the America that I am residing in. Using the law to justify nefarious use of freedom of speech is your ignorance manifested.

You don't have to accept any label. Simply moving on, regardless of what people say of you is proof that they can do nothing to you.

It's just serves as proof that you are a gutless person who is easily rided.

Seriously, there's a passage like this in the bible (Matthew 5:39). You hold people responsible for unrighteous behavior when they break the law, not when you don't agree with them. Americans push for liberty, yes, but that liberty comes at a price: not everyone is going to be comfortable with it. This is what happens when you have different cultures partaking in such.

Not everyone is going to be comfortable with it. You hit the nail on the head. We are hitting at fox news' unacceptable verbal mistake because we are not comfortable with it.

At one point, which is inevitable, someone is going to express their freedoms in a way that another is not going to agree with. Can you do something about it. Of course, ignore it and move on! That is what liberty is about, the freedom to make choices without some governing body controlling what you do.

That's a glaring difference between good thinkers and idiots. People with common sense understand that liberty is not an excuse to be a stupid menace. Slavery wasn't just "ignored" back in the days. Its demolition began with discussion, which lead to actions that combated its approval in American society.

The minute you begin to change that, you can throw liberty away, because[b] if you are going to stop or limit the freedom of speech, you might as well, and won't stop the eventual further limiting or removal or ALL of your liberties.[/b]

How retarded. Even freedom of speech has its limits, but I don't expect you to understand this. When people abuse their right to liberty, it gets taken away from them.

. . .As the law of the land has prevented you from being so. You're entitled to your opinion, therefore you are free to ignore any fact that I present to you, but you really shouldn't let your emotions get the best of you. No need to elaborate here any further.

Don't get it twisted, you are yet to state any fact here. What you keep jotting down is opinion after opinion after opinion. Even dullards are entitled to their opinions. I suppose according to you we shouldn't discuss any faults with the media because anything they say has been done before, and is protected by law.
I'm sorry I can't do that. I think with my head, meaning I don't accept what I am told by others as being 100% correct.

Orimili:
"blah blah blah?" That's no way to reply to a statement that basically negated everything view you have tried to push to others. Anyway, If you take the time to read through the messages on this forum, you will see the truth about the attitudes. Your "holier-than-thou" attitude is more apparent than ever. Yes, there are differences between cultures, but you are very wrong to say that Americans do not have a culture of their own. You, my friend, have seen one too many movies. If you have been here long enough, you would notice.

I don't shelter an holier-than-thou attitude. you are simply confused on the difference between preference versus attitude. americans have a mish-mash culture, does that count? the hiphop culture that encourages abusive language and foul treatment of women? what culture? freedom of speech? there is no such thing as american culture, if there is kindly explain it to me. america is too mixed to have a recognised culture of its own. it is the immigrants living in america who bring their culture here to practice. that's not american culture, it is still the culture of those immigrants.

Yes, there are some American kids that behave like hooligans, but can you seriously claim that the same types of kids do not exist in Naija? I think not.

who's saying they don't exist.  i said they're granted the full freedom to do so easily and are protected from parental discipline; however, if you look at a nigerian child who dare tries that with his parents, the police themselves will slap you if you don't punish them.

You may notice more cases here, due to the fact that the US has ~300 Million People, versus the ~150 Million population of Nigeria.

i have already explained that population is not the reason for the discrepancy. 

If you take a ratio of well raised people to the bad ones from both places, they will most likely be the same.

'well raised people' is a subjective term that changes relative to the person you are communicating with.  needless to say, i am not here to argue that the kids are not well raised, but i still retain the opinion that from what i have noticed here these kids treat like elders like peers.   but according to you, they hold no blame because it is glorified by a culture of freedom.

You are wallowing in ignorance if you can say what you said with a straight face. There are fruits in every tree. I speak from what I have noticed.

i said it without blinking, is that the same thing?  Ignorance doesn't prevent me from comparing one culture with another and offering my opinions on what i see as the differences.  I don't accept bad behaviorism just because i'm living in America.  That's you.

Speak for yourself, you are the true face of ignorance and racism.

the true face of ignorance is blind support for hateful, and completely sexist remarks because it is american law.  again, that is you, not me.

Pittbaby:
@HCH

I get your point, and I am not talking about struggling naija's , I am talking about the ones with money (even small) that buy expensive things haba people who make less money than me they buy 250 K (naira) lace, thats not even consisdered expensive in some circles. besides naija people dey buy Iphone o even when there is no internet to support the thing

if you are not talking about the struggling naija, then there is probably nothing to talk about.  for the typical naija family (in naija) it's a struggle every day.    isn't that what we're comparing here with consuming?  that's what this comparison is supposed to be about.  i am not talking about those yahoo yahoo boys 419-ing their way to obtaining those iphones or what have you. no denying that the naija boy will buy an iphone if he has the money to do so, but that's not as likely to occurs as it is with americana.  if you have the money in excess you will spend it, hence the reason for your consumerist propaganda.  the naija boy no get the money to dey spend any how when the resources no dey there.

And check your facts before you says americans are the most consumerist . They have the highest per capita income for a country that size, and thus influence the world economy more . but they are not the biggest spenders in the world , Go to Switzerland and start counting the number of porsches and maserati's you see once you leave the airport.

i checked my facts.  got it from a book i read a while ago and i don't think much has changed since then. the statement i made is that americans consume way more than they need to.  before you talk about size, don't forget to compre america and china. 45% of meat and fish is consumed by Americans, overall energy 58%, of all telephone lines 74 % belongs to americans, consume 84% of all paper and own 87% of the world’s vehicle fleet.   these figures according to george ritzer's research but i am not asking you to take his stats as fact.

Orimili:
You can claim ignorance all you want, but it doesn't make your statement any more intelligible.   The media has been doing this to candidates for years.

why are you escaping the inherent question.  doing it for years doesn't make it right. especially what fox just did.

Look at all of the satire and negative imagery of almost every political figure in the last few decades. All of a sudden, they turn their focus on Obama, and now it's bad?Now it's complaint worthy?

when we see something wrong, we don't have to accept it because it's been going on for decades without end. people speak out when they see that they're being wronged.  american culture supports and allows this.  it's one of the reasons racism has been able to come to an end.  

I never said that it was a good thing, nor am I accepting any kind of inferiority from any person. What the hell do I need to feel inferior/superior to anyone? I don't live for any human being. There is no justification in complaining because it only proves the negative stereotypes that black people have.

what do you suggest they do?  accept the negative label and move on?  if you can't hold people responsible for their unrighteous behavior, how do you expect to serve justice?  americans push for liberty, but blind use of freedom anywhere is not okay.

Get over yourself, man. This is America. I guess that you also have the freedom to complain too, but it's not going to get you anywhere, and by complaining, you're only adding fuel to the fire, encouraging more acts like this by the media. If you don't like it, then ignore it. In fact, if people ignored it in the first place, rather than run around like headless chickens, then stories like this on the news wouldn't exist.

lol you sound like a dunce. nah, you are the one who needs to get over himself.  I don't juts support disrespectful racist horseshit because "this is america" . you have not made any sense whatsoever in defending this sexist, racist, stupid remark.  complaints might be meaningless to you but they work and bring attention to things that we care about.  when people force their principles on you, you're the kind of person to accept it because it's the law of the land.  the law of the land should not prevent you from being wise.  

toshmann:
you guys must get this into your skulls. this is politics. it is not racism. if obama were white, fox news will still be on his neck. i think we are over diagnosing racism.

what won't we hear. just like laura bush was called george bush's baby mama right? no wonder some of you people started clapping for don imus when he called those sisters "nappy headed hos"

naija_diva:
well next time you give an example how about you mention that it is an example

it's the most commonly encountered example, so like duh i expected you to figure it out. why else did i put them in quotes.

you're the one that's bringing respect and bad mouthing into this, 2 of which i never mentioned. true, you can speak your mind and show respect at the same time. but that's not what i was talking about right now.
yea keep thinking the way you do, that's why certain people never move on.

and you and your friends brought the whole timid vs. outspoken jargon into the discussion. as if being outspoken proves that you are better off in the long run. hiss!
p.s. spanking works, i suggest you practice it with your children. my 2cents

quickygirl:
i have noticed you, okay? thanks for the comment

i was hoping you wouldn't notice me.

Pittbaby:
well I guess you have your opinion of all Americans that can't be changed . unfortunately they also have their  view of us  that I hope we can change.

lol  

And I understand consumerism !!!! and never disagreed with you about the fact that the US is a consumerist nation afterall why are we paying $4:00 PER GALLON.

BESIDES when did 250K lace become a nenecessity

250k lace is not a necessity so why would i say it is?  isn't it people the likes of babangida's wife who buys such things? go figure out why.

mY POINT NIGERIANS AND AMERICANS ALIKE ARE EQUALLY CONSUMERIST. ITS JUST EASIER IN THE US .

not equally consumerist because the state of the economy doesn't allow it.
equally but easier? america is probably the most consumerist nation in the world by far. the ease of making the money allows them the freedom to spend it like careless drunks.  i think you forgot the part where i mentioned about your average nigerian spending for survival instead of spending to get the latest iphone.

naija_diva:
when i said speaking your mind it doesn't mean cursing at your parents. i never said that a child can say "whatever" to his or her parents so you need to stop putting words in my mouth. american kids have more of a say of what they like, whether it happens their way or not. nigerian parents hardly let their children express themselves that's why when the child gets older and starts to acting up, the parents all of a sudden act surprise.

i gave you an example but you have a hard time accepting it. it is easy to say nigerian kids are timid, but when you are faced with the argument that outspoken american kids are worse you begin acting like i'm being unfair. you keep throwing out this meaningless subject of american kids having more of a say of what they like . . . where are you getting that from? i can show respect to my parents and still speak my mind if i have to. you have to understand when and how to put that into practice. "whatever mom i don't have to listen to you" is a stupid form of a say if you ask me. it's no wonder people think it's more difficult to punish your kids here. you american kids get way too much protection from the law. sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. but what do i know?

who cares? why does everything have to end up being about race with you people. black is black.

yea if you're living a lie.

Pittbaby:
and in terms of consumerism O . I will rather shop in an airconditioned shopping mall than go to balogun market , where the price of some laces is more than the average naija monthly salary .

i will rather not spend too much time shopping for things i don't need.  away with useless spending.  i don't think you understand the concept of consumerist worship i am talking about here.

Yes things are more convenient in america , yes people over extend themselvesin the US , but thats because its available. Trust me if it ws available in Niaja , we go do pass. Naija's in America as a testament ( I know Students who but $700 coach purses ) we like good things just like americans O!!!

well i guess you now understand the point i'm trying to make.  there's no problem with people spending their money if they have it, but i am one to believe that too much of anything is a bad thing.  students buying 700$ purses that they use for a week then store in their closets never to use again. if i know how hard it is to earn money I won't spend it like a reckless driver.

quickygirl, i think we know the kind of guys you have been kissing with your slutty mouth.

chiogo:
@Dis Guy, thank you, jare. Culture coo, torture nee. That's why an average Nigerian kid cannot be compared to an average American kid. Nigerian kids grow up . . .what's the word?. . .timid(worse than that) all in the name of culture. They can be book-smart but not street-smart. What do u expect when you're flogged like an animal over petty things. When they get old, they feel like they lost out on childhood fun and that's when drama starts! Hahaha.

how did you jump to the conclusion that nigerian kids are timid because they are book smart? there is no correlation between the two. dashing across the streets of of nigeria, seeing the way people live, experiencing the atrocious living conditions, hopping on those severely damaged danfo buses is almost enough to make you street smart anywhere, so don't even bring that into question here.
instead of generalizing all nigerian kids, why not say it's those you have come across that act in that manner?  you don't need to be stupid to give respect to your elders when it is required.  if that means listening to them talk and then speaking your mind after, so be it.  engaging a war-of-words with your parents to assert that you are right does not mean you are outspoken, it just shows that you are a disrespectful, out of control child.  americans consider spanking disadvantageous, nigerians believe spanking works. different strokes for different folks.

naija_diva:
that's the same thing that i try to explain to some nigerian parents. you compare an average american kid to an average nigerian kid born in america, you can definitely see the difference in their behavior. american kids can speak their mind which to some who are not american might consider rude. sometimes they are but most of the time they are not.

you are just farting from your nose. how did you come to the conclusion that most of the time when they speak back they are not being rude? when i see children at grocery stores and the likes screaming "whatever mom" , "you are just being a bitch mom", "mom you are such an asshole", how is that not disrespectful? continue turning a blind eye to these american punks you call outspoken children.

so so true. i went to school with a lot africans but mostly nigerians and i can truly say that once they hit high school, the drama surely begins. some of the friends i started high school with ended up somewhere else(either back in africa or to live with a "strict" relative in another part of the country) by the time i graduated because their parents thought that they were "getting out of control" only because they wanted to do after school activities or just do fun things. most of the parents think all you need is to read books and not have fun and that's not good. everything has to be balanced. period.

at least they usually turn out more successful than their black counterparts.

You have dated just one Nigerian man so far. Not enough to judge. the typical Nigerian man is self centrered and arrogant. The type that makes me want to put his head in my oven after being heated at 240°

you are just upset that you have been dating cheap criminals your whole life. what else is new?

Yes pitt we can make that kind of comment.  the shopping malls are the cathedrals of worship in america. The only kind of consumerism the struggling, working class nigerian tends to practice is the kind required for survival.  it's an unfair generalization but i made that point earlier on that i will generalize.   the casual american kid is a spoiled brat.

timmi i agree o. is something wrong with me wanting my kids to experience drinking garri in the hot sun before they move on up to eating rice in their air conditioner?

onyinye2:
What the hell are you talking about?? yes i grew up in the states and that just made me stronger. Seeing how parents sacrificed alot and struggled made me to value all the wonders america has to offer. And by the way are basically saying that american bred people are out of control and have no religion, discipline or respect. Who the heck have you been around?? Because i have alot of discipline, i was raised in the church, and don't even get me started around respect. You obviously been watching way too many movies to even talk about american people. I know the opportunities in america and i have taken full advantage of all them. From getting a scholarship to go to school, to being able to vote and know that the election aint faulty.

there's no wrong in having an opinion from observation, is there? with that said, i don't think i need you to tell me if what i see is real or not.
you are just talking about yourself here.  this doesn't apply to everybody.  you are completely delusioned if you believe that environment shares no big role in how you turn out.  i don't need to watch tv to see how american teenagers or what have you behave.  from constant disrespect for parents, to celebrity worship, consumerism and so forth.  the average american child would rather spend the day shopping than worshipping God on sunday.  discipline? let's not even talk about discipline, if you dare spank your child you could end up in jail with your child taken away from you.  a culture of liberty aka "i can do whatever i want" and law-backed disgusting practices is what america has.

Wow so you are bascially saying that im equality deranged? just because i don't want to be seen as inferior to a man im deranged? Abeg go and educate yourself because all you talk of is nonsense.

what the hell did you read? yes, i did imply that you are not just equality deranged but also equality obsessed. you fail to understand that you can be a wife to your husband without feeling like an inferior human being.  yet you sit there telling me that you are a product of the church.



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