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AryEmber:
Good luck with that

I get your point,but if any change has to come it definitely won't be if we keep mute

Mobilia:
Oh I am very well aware that most "non-believers" were believers at some point in their lives.
Experiences happened that changed their "beliefs"...unfortunately.

good u know

Mobilia:
Thanks for replying me.
Umm...so what god is that particular god?
It seems like you want to create a convenient "god".
Sometimes I have also wanted that. One where I could just live how I want...without any type of accountability.

Your family doesn't pray, caduse the atmosphere is one where "you" have made it 100 percent acceptable not to do so.
I get giving your children freedom to think for themselves...however it was you and your wife's responsibility to have trained them at a young age...so that it would have been less likely for them to want to have agreed with Richard Dawkins' book..if they decided to explore "religion" as teenage or college aged people.

I am very troubled by some African countries (particularly Nigeria's) method of disowning/abandonment or even (murdering children who they have regarded as "witches/wizards", or demonically-possessed. I saw a documentary... :'no words....
So I do respect the fact that you didn't beat your kids for having questions...but you did set the atmosphere for the questions.

Yep...Christianity is full of hypocrites...Islam probably too.
But that still doesn't excuse you from focusing on Christ and NOT erring people.
You let the people influence you...instead of God.
Had you prayed sincerely for God to lead you to the church He wanted you to attend and minister in.. (and I'm quite sure it would not have been perfect), you would've probably had less distraction from the people..and more on Him.
Instead, you just threw the "baby and the bath water" out.
It's about "relationship" with the Lord...
Sir...it's about "true heart conversion".

One thing most christians don't understand is that we have been in ur shoes,some if not most of us were raised from Christian homes,we have yearned and even had this " relationship" with god yet we became athesits,so we are not talking of things we don't have and idea about,we are talking of things we took part in,I have gone on evangelisms preaching Jesus,Hardmirror says he used to be a pastor,regardless of what you might attribute to be the cause of our change(the devil and his demons I guess) u have to bear in mind that we are not minors as long as the bible and christianity is concerned

AryEmber:
Funny, most of these talks only ends here. Keep disturbing yourself op and not face your wonderful family, nothing big is going to change. That's just the way it is, somethings are and will never change.

Change starts from the way we reason,if we keep talking about these issues we would create an enlightenment in others and dont underestimate that

Niflheim:
If god answers prayers, then how come certain football team players will enter the field doing the sign of the cross and still end up "trophyless" and regulated to the lower divisions?

Johann Cruyff made that statement too,he was an atheist,his student Pep Guardiola is an atheist too and wins trophies without prayers lol

I discovered something,most of those who bash her especially guys are actually infactuated with her,but they will be pretending and calling her olosho

The major issue I have with this strike is not that is not resolved yet after nine whole weeks,but, if the government release this money will it be put into good use or would the suffering and frustration that this strike has put Nigerian students through be in vain ?

Op if you ask 10 christians this question they will give you different answers as you can see with Ihedinobi,Mutteylaff,Shemuel and Kalokalo,I wonder what Albaghadi would say,anyways I'm here just to read comments

P.S mutteylaff so you are a Robert De Niro fan ?

MuttleyLaff:
Let me put on my best Robert De Niro impression, clears throat:
"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? " [turns around to look behind me]
"Well, then who the Hell else are you talking- You talking to me? Well, I'm the only one here."

Who is the online atheist? What's with the how market question?

Raging bull


Modified
Bingo!! Taxi driver

This list is not complete without adding that Spanish guy with a funny voice that always shouts while commentating in LA liga matches,if that guy hype Messi for you I swear you go become a barca fan,hit like if u know who I'm referring to

Very good,the other day I saw a soldier smoking while driving

vaxx:
my veiw is ex nihilo nihil fit. (Nothing comes from nothing)empirically not of such exist in our universe, and ig past experience is grounded source of knolwedge. Same its applicable.

Isn't that a contradiction to ur theistic position that something(God) created the universe,can't we say the same of God since according to you NOTHING comes from nothing

vaxx:
nah, i have deductive and inductively explained why it is impossible. What i did here is raised an inteligent hypothesis, or can you contradict it.

So ur view is that it is impossible to figure out how the universe came to be ?

vaxx:
but we can deducrively and inductively answer it even if comprehensive dettails is not yet available now. the universe cannot come into existence from literally nothing. Nothing in philosophical terms is not anything, it has no existence or properties. From nothing, nothing comes—ex nihilo nihil fit. The modern physicists will say that the universe came into being through a ‘nothing’ which is a quantum vacuum. The problem with this view is that of course a quantum vacuum is not nothing at all, it is very clearly something. A quantum vacuum has properties, it can be described, simply put it is.

It seems u have figured the whole sh!t out,can you tell us ur own view and how you came about it

vaxx:
Hope you are not suggesting the universe come out of nothing?

I am saying that we have not figured out the universe yet let alone deciding how it came into being

XxSabrinaxX:
Well, these are my problems with the theistic position and why I find the concept of "God" illogical.
* Something being allpowerful can't exist as it leads to contradictions. Eg. can this being create something that violates the laws of logic, can it kill itself, can it create something more powerful than himself, can it create something so heavy he can't lift himself, ... ?
* Allknowing & free will can't exist together, because if this god already knows everything then it logically follows one can't actually choose anything anymore to change this plan. The max you'd get is the illusion of free will.
* I also never understood how one can think an all-loving god and satan can exist at the same time either. Is this god not powerful enough to stop satan or if he is and won't do it, then clearly he isn't all-loving? Am I missing something here?
* More often than not, people use god to "explain" the origin of the universe because their objection is something can't come from nothing and / or something must have had a beginning. However this same logic doesn't apply to god because it's outside of time. But "cause and effect" only make sense when you have time, so I don't get how a god solves this whatsoever. It's like the number 5 also exists outside of space and time as a concept, yet that can't cause anything either...
* Also things like the speed of light being the max speed is only correct INSIDE our universe, the expansion of the universe itself is faster than this speed, so where I'm getting at here is it's not because things follow the laws of physics inside our universe that the universe itself is bound by those laws. Eg. Just because in our universe we see everything having a beginning that therefore this logic also applies to the universe itself, as we only have a sample size of 1 universe and moreover we don't even know if this always existed in some form.
* Last thing: the argument from fine-tuning I either don't understand or I find it the worst possible argument ever. What would be a miracle is if we'd find ourselfs in a universe that ISN'T able for life to be formed. How is it a shock to find ourselfs in a universe where life can form?? And maybe there were / are loads of universes out there where life isn't able to be formed, and thus we aren't "insanely lucky" as there are plenty of other possibilities. Also nearly all of the universe seems hostile to life, so how can one possibly think it's created FOR life when even on earth most places are insanely hostile. A universe created for life would be one where life can exist almost everywhere and for a really long time, yet that's exactly what we don't see.

Bravo
And let me add that anyone who has studied cosmology or astrophysics would understand that most humans don't understand anything about the universe and how it functions,so it beats my imagination when people start filling the gaps with concepts they make on their own,"The universe can not come out of nothing",very funny,what do they know about the universe ?

johnydon22:
Actually No. It still won't be. A 4dimensional being interacting in our 3D realm would be so inconsistent with our reality that we won't even be able describe it. no transcendent being can be consistent with the reality of a dimension it transcends.

I do agree and I hold the view that if there is anything that really influenced the existence of the universe,it would be something we would totally not understand

Theism ; a belief in the existence of the supreme being or deities

Well there are a couple of problems I have with the concept above but the most prominent of them is the insufficiency of evidence that theism or theists provide.
Now let me define my own belief before going any further,I uphold an atheistic view as long as the conventional definition of God or gods is concerned,maybe agnostic if the meaning of God is revised,I've taken a look at most of the major proponents of theism and I can't find sufficient or any evidence at all to the following claims
1)that man and the entire universe were created(whatever the word "create" represents)
2)that the "creator" is "God" (in their own context)
3)that God possesses the nature,features and characteristics attributed to it which is in fact what makes him God,as the word "God" doesn't mean anything on its own
4)that God interacts,interferes or is interested in human affairs
5)that humans(at the present age and at the age the concept was birthed) are capable of providing a perfect or satisfactory explanation to how life "began" via scientific,logical or in this case theological means
6)that humans are even capable of comprehending what the universe really is in entirety,given our level of exposure,much less its features,and even much less assuming the position to define what is responsible for its existence
7)that belief in God or gods has generally improved the quality of life and is a better option than absence of belief in God or gods

annyplenty:
If you carefully examined the passage, you will understand that God was not talking about physical earrings that Israelites have been yearning for since the the wilderness time after the order of the Egyptians. Before I tell you what those things in Ezekiels 16 vs 12 are, I want you to note that

-1. God did not ask them to go market and buy the jewels and earrings by themselves and wear them.

-2. He said He would wear those things for them

-3. If He said He would wear earrings for them, then they should wait and let God be the one to put it on them rather than they buying to put it on themselves.

-4. Remember if God says He will bless them, they have to pray and seek Him until He finally bless them.

Now let me tell you what God want to give them in place of those things in ezekiel

Prover 1:8-9
8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father[/], and [u]forsake not the law of thy mother:

9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

Without already saying so much you will begin to see what God meant to achieve with Israelite and what the ornament He promised them meant.

There are other scriptures to support that God did not mean the physical jewelries that people are now wearing about.

I never insinuated that the verse is to be taken literal,of course I read the beginning of the chapter so I understand it is more like an illustration, but my point is this,if piercing of ears is a sin like u painted it to be then it doesnt make sense for your God to be citing an example with something he supposedly detests,let's make it more practical, now we both know the position of the Nigerian government on homosexuality and gay marriage,does it make sense if an advert by the federal government on national television portrays two men romantically attracted to each other,NO!.
So if your God detests piercing of ears then it doesn't make sense for him to use it even if he is making an illustration, after all he is supposedly omniscientso there are an infinite other ways that he can make whatever point he wants to make without using the example in question

Ezekiel 16 vs 12(KJV)
And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears,and a beautiful crown upon thine head

Op explain the passage above

gensteejay:
I would do that in my spare time. Answering your question may lead to another lengthy argument, which I won't be able to spare any time for at the moment. Will post my comment later.

Okay,I'll be waiting

gensteejay:
This sort of discussion about God does not usually lead to any tangible conclusion. Even though I'm more of a knowledge seeker and rational thinker than a believer, I would still hold on to my belief that this universe, including our world, was designed by a Maker, but not the gods of religions who themselves are parts of this Maker.

I have not seen any logical reason to believe otherwise.

You haven't answered these questions,I wish to get a reply
Define God ?
What are God's features
How did you ascertain them ?

Soulsymbol99:
Can't they just leave this man(greatest musician alive) alone? all this good for notin black hoes looking 2 reap wia dem no sow. Na so dem do Tyson n most recently, Bill Cosby am nt saying they r saints oooo bt then again............. Besides y always black celebrities?

Harvey Weinstein is not black

budaatum:
It was for you, and is an answer to your question, an answer you yourself provided.

I wanted to know his(gensteejay) own definition of God

budaatum:
Yes, and in your own words:

"An entity which caused or played a role in its existence" and it's features".

And from your own definition, it's features would be that of a "causer" or "role player".

Now, you tell us how you came to ascertain the above!

I don't really understand your question ?,is that for me or gensteejay

Abfinest007:
why did u creat d topic if u don want people to contribute .u are actin childish pls do well to report me nonsense

When did I say that people can not contribute I only said that no one should post nonsense and by that I mean saying stuff unrelated to the question I asked,if you are not interested in addressing the question,it is not compulsory to comment on the thread

Well,this is not going to be a long post,considering all the issues that christians attribute to the devil and his demons there must be millions of demons around,so where did all of them come from,did God assign demons to the devil when he casted him down,did God create them as demons or was it angels that suddenly became bad,why would angels even become bad after all ?

Support your answers with quotes from your religious book.
Any nonsense post and I wouldn't hesitate to report you,if you don't like the topic and you are not interested in the conversation,vamoose !!

HellVictorinho:
The bolded statement is philosophical. And it can be also explained/enunciated.
The "Actuality of Things is the Ultimate Crap" is another statement whose meaning could be deciphered.
Finally, I can let you know that the "settings" for EXISTENCE are absurd.

Lol,ok

HellVictorinho:
Everything is Meaningless!!!!!And no philosophy can prove God's existence. If you also subscribe to the "Possibility of Masterminded Nonsense" as regards physical effects,that wouldn't be surprising considering the effects of certain "declarifications" on your mind. I won't bother to ask you "why".I would rather let you know that you can't answer all the questions that must be asked. Yet,"The more you know, the more you need to know".

If everything is meaningless literally speaking,is the bolded statement also meaningless

gensteejay:
This sort of discussion might be lengthy so I need to see if it will be worth it by asking you this question, what sort of evidence would convince you of the existence of God?

If you seek physical evidence, then I have none to present. There are lots of abstract concepts in the world — love, hate, complex numbers in maths, many elementary particles in the Standard model in Physics, etc. — that no one has ever seen.

We only accept them to be real based on logic, their effects and applications. By engaging in this sort of discussion as an irreligious fellow, I would offer the same sort of evidence of God's existence — logical notions in philosophy and physical effects.

A physical evidence is okay but a logical evidence would be preferred
You might want to answer the question below first so I don't say something assuming that is what u mean while its not the case

Hermes019:
Could you define God ?
Tell me God's features and
Tell me how you came to ascertain them

gensteejay:
The highlighted part is why I regard your posts as tripe. Can you show me where I stated evolution is questionable?

If you're discussing with someone for the first time, you don't do that with pre-conceived notions or wrong assumptions, lest you render your submissions as an unjustifiable attack against such a person.

Some fools may attribute the design of the universe to ONLY evolution, I'm not one of such. If all you have to say is pre-conceived notions and wrong assumptions, there is no point in engaging you any further in this discussion.

I apologize since that is how you feel,so I would ask you then
Do you believe that evolution occurred ?