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HaneefahRN:
thanks for that correction sir. But it still doesn't change my point

Point well taken ma'am.

angiography:
You shot itself @the feet in your quest to dismissing her point.
Oh so SHE, A NURSE, rose to that position because she's the most senior officer of the health team??. Exactly. Nurses here should also be given the leeway to attain any position possible in the healthcare system. (I ain't talking bout consultant ish here). And that will mean the post of CEO(Which hitherto been cloned to CMD) shld be thrown open to the most capable person irrespective of his line of career

Chief, we are talking military rank here and not academic qualification. And if u are bringing that scenario to the public health sector, I doubt if a nurse can ever beat doctors to it in terms of academic qualifications. So if we are to consider attaining the most senior status here, it will be within d nursing community and not the entire health sector.
And if I may ask, doesn't it amuse u that a nurse has never attained such a feat in the US public health sector if really attaining the peak of her career is all it takes?

HaneefahRN:
Typical Dr's mentality, anyone who isn't a Dr must av inferiority complex. Being a paramedic isn't demeaning or belittling, it only means one is a non- Dr health professional. U guys really need to change ur egocentric and self centred orientations.
As regards the CMD issue, Drs normally shld''t be CEO's of the hospitals, unless they av administrative or managerial degree with some yrs of experience. In sane Countries where Drs don't claim to be all in all, CEO's are administrators, managers, with some years of experience in management, although a Dr can be if he or she possesses these qualities, the CEO can be from any profession whether health related or in the business route. The best man for the job is chosen, and even presently in Nigeria, we can see the havoc some corrupt CMDs av also done to the health sector, thank God they are being exposed already.
And do u know the present Surgeon General of the USA is a nurse? This can never happen in Nigeria, if the Drs had gotten what they wanted, I'm sure it wld av been monopolized as the post of minister for health and state minister for health has been, wc shld not be.
Yes, Drs are very important figures in health care, they plan the pt care wc is their responsibility while the other team members performs his or her role as licensed and needed, but no, no health worker is beneath or a minion to Drs, we are equal, we are all professionals with diverse roles working towards a specific goal.

Point of correction, a fact erroneously injected ma'am...
The surgeon general of US isn't a nurse, but the surgeon general of d US army. And she's d surgeon general based on d fact that she's d most senior officer among those in d health arm of d force.

angiography:
So because he aired his opinion, he's unmannered??


You're the one showing misdemeanor here...if u can't provide a tangible argument... Then show him some respect

Birds of a feather, smh...

Yahami:
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Is a nice suggestion, until medical doctors were been ban from holding post of CMD they'll continue sabotage Nurses for their Right. even at the Federal Executive council the Nurses were been sabotage by Buhari lead administration if not how can the Minister of Health be Medical Doctor, Minister of health for state a Medical Doctor and Permanent Secretary to Federal Ministry of health a medical Doctor please my elite in the house tell me how'll the Nurses be recognise in decision making in our health care system, how can we get rid of quakery in Nursing profession while Doctors continue their evil in our health care system and will be protected by the so call minister. If u all believe me that the role of Nursing profession can not be over emphasis in health care system as thus the federal government should carry them along in policy making of the health care system if not, we'll continue battling with all this menance situation in our country.... Let this son's and filter of this country start the campaign against those useless Doctors who engaged in training fake Nurses and Never training Fake Doctors

Wow nurse, what's this?
No wonder d general public have this general assertion that nurses are rude and unfriendly...
U just proved them right ma'am with this ur unmannered post, they are likely wrong though..

As if male nurses don't pose as doctors outside government hospitals too...

dicefrost:
I appreciate your contribution, but i must point out something. Nurses don't work fewer hours. If you calculate the workload, it virtually the same with any other health worker. An average worker in Nigeria works for 8 hours a day or 40hrs a week. A nurse doing shifts works 6hrs a day or 30hr a week. Leaving a deficit of 10hrs. The following week, he/she would be doing night shifts for 4 days. Night shifts run for 12-14hrs at a stretch 6pm to 6am or 8am. That is 48-56hrs a week, which compensates for the deficit of the previous week. That is in an ideal work condition.

Sometimes, you could be in a community where the patient turn out is low. The nurses there make their own arrangements. 2 0r 3 people are left on duty for a week. They reside inside the health center, and will be on duty throughout the week, its a 24/7 shift. Then you take the next week off. The working hours a month is well balanced.

Similar arrangement is made for nurses who are pursuing higher education. Some hospitals place them on permanent night duty. 1 week night 1 week off.
It us erroneous to say that nurses work fewer hours, their schedule is just different.

Alright thanks

Onegai:
I have to disagree with you. I have a lot of doctors (mostly consultants) in my family and I used to hold nurses in contempt. But when I travelled outside the country to give birth, do you know whom attended to me 80% of the time: NURSES. The OB showed up at the last minute to deliver the baby but the nurses did all the work. AND THAT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR ALL NORMAL BIRTHS.

Nurses may spend fewer hours in the hospital but they do most of the work. There's a reason they're paid well outside the country.

I never said nurses don't contribute much in d hospital nd its actually d norm too in most hospitals in Nigeria for nurses to take charge of deliveries, then doctors come in when any complication emerges...
Besides, saying nurses do most of d work in d hospitals is outright wrong nd i wonder u only based ur conclusion on d labour wards or Obstetrics and not other departments in d hospital. Even in d labour ward, nurses are stationed to a particular unit eg labour ward, postnatal ward, gynae, antenatal clinic, postnatal clinic, theatre etc. The doctors operate all this units going to and fro depending on d strength of workpower..

And yes, nurses are appreciated more outside d country but this applies to virtually all health professionals as doctors are even much more appreciated...
Healthcare delivery is a teamwork, and one cadre isn't inferior to d other...

I was at d education section of nairaland yesterday and was amazed at how so many private universities some whose names I had never heard of are issuing public notice for their BNsc nursing program, I hope theses things produce competent nurses and Im just wondering how many graduate nurses will be churned out annually even aside d school of nursing products. I hope the nursing council is doing its job by thoroughly vesting these schools

Similar also is medical lab science, so many years ago when I got admission to d university, virtually only a school was accredited to offer that degree in d entire southwest, but now, virtually all institutions especially government owned now offer d course..

Millex:
I read recently that Peripartum Cardiomyopathy occurs 1 in 4000 pregnancies, I really don't understand what that means, Medics help. Also, is it possible for heart problems can be noticed from the hands? Or is it just myth?
Docs in the house thanks

It simply means that an average of 1 in every 4000 pregnant women come down with cardiomyopathy between pregnancy viability period (which is 28 weeks in Nigeria) and 7days after delivery.
U actually don't need this data anyway, rather bother ursef on maternal mortality rate etc.
For hand signs in heart diseases, there's something called peripheral stigmata of diseases which means signs u see in other parts of d body for some diseases. So heart diseases can give many signs elsewhere eg finger clubbing in d hands.

bharkarh:
washeyre! I've bn battling with malaria since yesterday, eyin e-famz please pray for me o. Can't afford to miss camp for anything.

get well soon bro and make sure u rest in peace..

Phame:
I can imagine the pain of those who are not watching , but depend on the nairaland fp to get update and the scoreline remain unchanged. 0:0

Thanks, we feel no pain as we follow d thread not fp..

Shaw007:
God bless you oh!! I said this same thing on the other thread, and some people that dont like thinking were ready to swallow me!!

Riemann hypothesis solved and its only vanguard and osundefender that knows about it!!! Nothing on BBC, CNN or even The Clay Institue themselves .Very funny, hilarious sh!t

and to think they were already fighting on South West and The yEAST!!! Stupidity is commonplace in this country.

Oh yeh Tribalist bigots, it is now confirmed in d news...
U re a mor-on though...

femoric9:
As a Nigerian student living in d United states. I was almost tempted to share d thisday link I came across online. I was so excited to share for my.American friends who believes nothing good comes out of africa.
However, I quickly reminded myself, this is nigeria & I do be making a fool of myself without verifying d source of this news. I went online and it is a shame that only nigerian dailies and blogs have news on such an important international achievement. That was when it dawned on me that this is another joke coming out of my country.
However, reading the last paragraph of the nation's newspaper, I can it was a satire not perfectly coined.

My brother, u can now break the news and celebrate ur country..

400billionman:
That last line though.

Thats fiction.

still a fiction?

1stknight:
Some people think that Riemann hypothesis is one plus one, if Dr. Enoch had proved the Riemann hypothesis, it will be in major news. Riemann hypothesis is one of the most important unsolved mathematics problem, even the billionaire mathematician James Harris Simons said in an interview by numberphile (it's on YouTube) that he would trade some of his wealth to be the mathematician that solve the Riemann hypothesis. A Kazakh mathematician early last year claimed to have solved the Navier-stokes equation, I think his name is Prof. Otalbyev(not sure of the spelling), until the proof was rebuffed by another mathematician Terence Tao when he spotted a mistake in the published proof by the professor.

How come u've suddenly gone mute?

LadyFiona:
The renumeration has to do with the amount and level of education acquired, skills needed at the job and the use of scheme of service of nurses and midwives not the number of hours.
The work hours has been calculated, scrutinized and audited by the relevant bodies. It all boils down to the schedule of duty, number of nurses available, and the nurse patients ratio in Nigerian health system. A ratio of 2 nurses to 20 patients if maintained for 8 official duty hours will increase burn out rate in nurses and nobody wants that. So, nurses had to be exposed to as many patients as possible in less duration of 6 hours max and 12 hours for night duty.

i understand ur point ma'am and Im pretty sure that nurses ain't d only clinical staff with shortage manpower in d hospital as Im pretty sure it would be even worse for doctors. I still believe nurses' imput to health in term of work hours is much less compared to their counterparts in d health sector. I was even amazed when I heard few weeks back that intern medical lab scientists are now to be placed on CONHESS 10, an upgrade from the 9 they occupied before.
Moreso, Im pretty sure there's also a body that would have also calculated and scrutinized the relativity of each cadre of health professionals in terms of work hours and impact on general health outcome before coming out with the salary scale..
Another factor I see contributing to the low renumeration is d lack of incorporation of graduate nurses into d internship system.

Nice piece I must commend. Sincerely I see it as outrightly unjust for graduate nurses to be exempted from internship whereas other graduates from clinical line are all incorporated.
I however got to know that one of the stumbling block to achieve this are some nurses themselves especially those who weren't privileged to pass through the university but school of nursing. They probably won't have anything to gain from development.
However, I personally consider any degree that can be obtained by part-time arrangement as weak and this is one of weakness I see in d BNSC degree...
As for the renumeration, well i believe nurses are paid lower compared to their clinical colleagues maybe because their work time is less. It still amazes me the off days in d program of nurses. Something like u do day shift for maybe one week, then one day off work, after a month or so of night shift, u take a one-week off work. And this still doesn't affect d annual leave at work...
As for d quackery, sincerely, d doctors are d majorly to be blamed as they train d auxiliary nurses. Nurses are guilt of this act though coz i know many male nurses that pose as doctors outside the hospital walls...

What an irony, a Fountain of Knowledge state having a dumb and ignorant tout like Fayose as the governor.....

No sauce or Maggie...
Anyway, I hope these guys haven't committed a barcanister...

AngryNigerian:
Lagosians should expect more of these terrible news...

Law of Karma playing out...

I just pity innocent souls that'll lose their lives in the process...

"You don't create this kind of (economic) imbalance in the polity and expect peace (& tranquility): the mass of 'the unlucky' would someday revolt!"...Maitama Sule (emphasis mine)

Guy, no lemme lie to you o. U are sick. So Baba Bahari is to be blamed abi because we never heard of robbers invade police stations before in this country..

It is surprising seeing the effontery and courage of robbers to evade police stations.
No creative producer has ever staged such a scene in a Hollywood movie maybe because its almost impossible in their environment....

But how come we get no feedback or testimony from any of those that sent their mail address months back?
just asking though, curious...

Daniyemi:
huh? Pls o. That should be long time ago right?.
I dream of being posted to a firm.
I want to build my legal knowledge o.

then change ur topic to 'do corper lawyers get more legal knowledge during service?'

momentum85:
Yes na! They also work like every other person. During our time, one was posted to one primary school in one village in Jigawa state.

Haba! But guy u bad o. On a more serious note though, what would general masses benefit from a corpers lawyer?
Op, if u get leg, better arrange a letter from a firm before u go camp..

Fab001:
Study dentistry, you won't regret it.
They are more successful and quite richer than medical doctors.

This is d very childish, kiddish and pretty immature post that erupted this comparative issue between professions since page 100.
Guys, lets stop detailing nd focus on d primary essence of this thread.

Lagusta:
For medical corpers...

In kwara, they can pay as low as 25k

Kwara state is terrible to corpers generally....

Here in ondo, ranges between 70-95k, but I heard it would soon be reduced like that of ebonyi which used to pay 130k, but now it's 15k.......

Lagos pays 30-50k but you have the advantage of making more money in private hospitals...

Heard oyo pays about 40k too

But generally, in most federal medical centres, its usually 65k until proven otherwise......

Thanks doc

..viewing.
This seems d only thread that is still updated after camp resumption in October. Threads for some other states na like Sahara desert. Kudos

Please guys, help include allowances for medical corpers as in doctors and co.
Any serving or recently passed out medical corpers can help, or anyone who knows d pays...

Also, is it that in states like Kwara that don't pay a dime, they don't pay doctors too?

morealrealest:
how will i get to him i mean torchi

Search for 'humanoflagos' on nairaland, that's his thread...

morealrealest:
his currently in lagos bro

...then he's genuinely a humanoflagos. Contact torchi here on nairaland if he can help.

Just like how MKO Abiola received international guests before his mysterious death d following day?
These briticos and their folks are worse than our DSS, its just that they do things codedly..

Lemme give u a piece of advice that will give d boy some sort of more extensive audience...

Simply arrange d boy to come lagos and invite Torchiphotos of #humanoflagos, he will interview him and post his picture...
Go have a chat wt d photoguy..