₦airaland Forum

JaroMan:
As a nation, I must first tell everyone that we're not a nation.

Why do you say we are not a nation?

Collinsaik:
..becos i love them and want to see them grow into responsible adults and be useful to society so i flog when absolutely necessary. not just househelps but my own biological children,

Alright

AlexBells:
Being a nation is practically not about secession, as a matter of fact, there is no secessionist group currently in Nigeria, there are only rebellion and violent pressure group, for it to really be a session a lot of factors needs to come into play, most likely things that hold us together as a nation needs to polarise before a secessesion aris to me,

what we have is a mismanaged pressure group by a failed government metamorphosing into a rebellion, they don't pose any real threat to the unity of the nation but they can swindle the loyalty of citizens but under an astute government these whole thing could be solved through a genuine touch,

when i talk about being a nation, I mean by first respecting our differences and then finding a way to work together in common interest

Hmmm..

TripleOh7:
Yup. That's the only solution.

Nigeria is an entity that should never ever have been created.

If we don't divide it now, we will all die trying to save it.

Those who are coming to kill us are already at our doorstep.

Lol.. so you think that all our problems would be magically solved once we secede? But i don't think we will ever secede

Nadaken:
Equity and fairness

Because north can ñot exist under this condition that's why we are were we are

What do you mean by the bolded?

TripleOh7:
Peaceful separation into smaller but stronger entities.

Is secession really the cure for out problems? Do you really think so?

BassReeves:
Nothing shows a man’s character more than what he laughs at

What exactly are you laughing out loud about?

By the way, I am waiting for your responses, though, to:
Consider this, death, is not a physical but it will cease to exist because it will along with souls be destroyed when figuratively thrown into a physical Lake of Fire

Now if anything, like souls and death are destroyed, how possible or capable, are souls and death, able to suffer forever, when they already have been brought to the end of their existence by burning in Lake of Fire?

Lol... your grammar is confusing me..

How can you 'figuratively' throw somebody in a physical and tangible place? What scripture do you have to support the stance that the lake of fire or hell or sheol are figurative? When did either Jesus or paul or any apostle say that those places aren't actual locations?

Where does scripture say that the spirit can die? What on earth are you talking about guy?

Kobojunkie:
The fact that she steals food speaks volumes though. So,if you are unwilling to ensure she is well fed each meal, please send her back to her parents.

The stealing of food is something that happens once in a while o... its not very frequent

Collinsaik:
U should flog ur househelp and chileren alike when they misbehave, depending on the gravity of offence they hav comitted an so far they are stil below 20 years of age.

So you support floginf house helps. Why do you do so?

Kobojunkie:
When you resort to flogging a child regularly it means you are absolutely doing something terribly wrong !

My opinion exactly.. i don't like seeing the girl getting beaten

MufasaLion:
I'd just urge you to advice your mom to return her back to the village if she's not ready to change her bad attitudes. There are many kids out there that are willing to be raised by any guardian.

It's better to let her go and meet her parents because an outsider seeing your mom beat her would assume she's being maltreated always.

That's the thing... she beats her in secret now so no outsider, i believe, has ever seen her beating the girl.

greenie77:
Can your mum be bold enough to hire an adult?

One of the 7 house helps stayed with us till adulthood

Kobojunkie:
How exactly do you judge what is enough for the gal? You simply put it in a bowl and conclude it is enough?

Before i start putting i ask her to tell me when to stop and whenever she says its okay i stop

AlexBells:
As a nation our number one priority should be being a nation

interesting... but the agitations for secession are not that strong... i don't believe it is an immediate problem that need urgent attention... why do you believe so?

BassReeves:
You are mixing up hell aka hades aka Sheol aka realm of the dead with the Lake of Fire

Consider this, death, is not a physical but it will cease to exist because it will along with souls be destroyed when figuratively thrown into a physical Lake of Fire

Now if anything, like souls and death are destroyed, how possible or capable are souls and death able to suffer forever when they already have been brought to the end of their existence by burning in Lake of Fire?

Lol.. what are you talking about?

Kobojunkie:
1. Your mother is absolutely wrong for flogging that child. If she were wise enough, she would have realized that flogging isn't the right approach to disciplining the gal by now.

2. You say the gal steals food, maybe it is because she is not being fed enough food. If your mother is not willing to give the gal more than she currently does, food portion that is, ask your mother to return the gal to her parents and move on. It is wickedness to flog a person so.

She is being fed enough. In fact the way she looked shen she first came and the way she looks now is very different because now she is well fed.

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house10s:
does she flog like shes flogging d girl u wen u were in d girls age?

Yeah

AndSunGorilla:
If my own child steals anything i can correct him/her the first time with a warning of what is to come another time. If I catch d same child stealing again, I go discipline am. Now please note that I have kids, so I am not giving theories. How can a whole phone be lost in a house and one child is using it to play game, my child dare not attempt it.

By the way, house maids is a glorified form of slavery, qed. It's the irresponsibility of our society that allows this, kids should either be adopted and put in a foster care program not made child laborers in anyone's house, my 2kobo.

Abi o... how can a 13 year old girl be used as a maid... you won't find such abroad

MufasaLion:
You can hand her over to the police if she's committed offences that would warrant such or better still send her back to her parents. There are many ways to punish kids like her without beating.

I pity your mom. She should better stop before it goes south. Was it nit recently that a woman was arrested for physical abuse on her maid. They've denied her bail. You have to speak up for the girl.

If tables were to be turned, she would be with her family enjoying her family companionship without constant beating! The kid never wished to have her life like this. Physical abuse will affect her in many ways. Mentally, emotionally among psychologically.

The flogging she gives her is regular disciplinary flogging. Her case is not like that of that woman that was arrested... its not that bad.

Favfables:
It's not wrong to beat a house help, if she misbehave, you correct (that correction doesn't always have to involve beating)...

But if I understand your write up, I think your mother has gone too far...

The girl steals meat and food, NOT MONEY, which goes to show that she's not satisfied with the ration she's given, to prove that she does it out of extreme hunger, she took food from a boiling pot!! Despite the risk of getting her hands burnt, that in my opinion deserves a serious scolding and nothing more...

On the other hand, she stole a phone and kept it for days, that one deserve proper lashing ....

But OP, does your mother flog her own children when they do something wrong as frequently as she flogs her maid?? If the answer to this is no, hmnmmm.... She honestly will need to reconsider her actions o, cause there's a very thin line between correction through beating and wickedness

When i was little my mum flogged me for wrongdoing. The girl eats enough sometimes i am the one that serves her food and i always put enough for her

What i like about this house is the ocean view.

house10s:
does she flog u like she flogs d house help if no then ur mum is not a nice person simple as that.

but if she flogs u also like she flogs d house help una wahala b dat

Lol... i'm 22 years old, 6 ft 2, 115 kg. How do you expect my mum to flog me like she does the girl?

house10s:
u can't tell her but u are telling us.

will telling us make her stop till she pour hot water in her eyes?

I've talked to her about it severally. Infact she doesn't flog her like she used to before and that's because i've talked to her.

I still talk to her till now and she remains adamant about it saying that as long as the girl lives under her roof she has the right to flog her.

MufasaLion:
It is very wring to beat yoir househelp/maid. That is physical assault. A househelp is no slave and it's more ideal to enroll them in school, give them medical access e.t.c. They have the full right that we all have.

Irrespective of whatever crime they commit, hand them over to the police.

She attends school and has access to good medical care just as the rest of the family.

Lol... how do you expect us to hand over a 13 year old girl to the poilce?

I'm not in support of the beating by the way and i mentioned that in the post. I've talked to my mother about it and the answer she always gives me is that she has the right to flog her because she lives under her roof.

DaddyRochie1642:
Tell your family that I said that they should make sure that househelp is well fed and also well taken care of.

If that girl was well fed, she won't any business in timing your mother's pot and waiting for the coast to be clear before she lays a vicious ambush to your mother's precious meat

Lol. She eats thrice a day. Infact the way she looked when she first came and the way she looks now is very different because before she wasn't feeding well and now is being fed well.

She eats meat when we all eat meat.

Bornsinner7:
I always advice people even if it is kulikuli you can afford daily for your family.. manage the Kuli with your family rather than sending your kids to stay with someone that will make them regret the day they came into this world

Back to the topic..

After reading the script I couldn't help but pity the young girl.. imagine the op pointing out stealing of meat and stealing of phone to play game as a habit that was worth flogging..

Doesn't it mean this girl has been deprived of play time..?? Doesn't it mean she barely has meat in her meal?? For her to result into deeping her hand inside a hot pot just to have a taste of meat and stealing a phone just to play game at night when others are asleep.. hmm

May God deliver her from the family of the op..

For what's money without happiness?
Or hard times without the people you love? - j cole

She always has meat in her food and eats three times a day. I believe she picked up the habit from me, because i always take meat from the pot after eating and she sees me do it most times.

She goes to school during the week so she has enough playtime.

I didn't say she deserved to be flogged for stealing the phone, read again, i'm actually on her side.

Good day my fellow nairalanders.

Ever since i was a baby, my family has always had a house help living with us (so far we've had 7 since the mid 90's till now).

One thing that has always been constant is my mother flogging the house helps when they misbehave (in her opinion).

My dad even told me that while i was still a kid my mum would frequently flog the house help that lived with us as at that time very early in the morning (and she was a little girl).

We currently have a househelp living with us. She should be about 13 or 14 years old. She was sent to us from the village. Before now my mum would flog her almost every morning early in the morning (some days i used to wake up to the sound of her flogging the girl). After we talked to her about it severally she reduced the amount of flogging. Right now she still flogs her when she misbehaves but not like before.

The girl in question has done many bad things in the past. Recently she stole my mother's phone and would use it to play games every night (when everyone in the house is asleep) this was during Christmas and she hid it for days. We searched for the phone and couldn't find it. My mum even called her bank to block her account thinking that it was stolen by an outsider. She later got caught playing a video game on the phone at night.

I was even suspected. They thought i had stolen the phone and sold it.

Another thing the girl does is steal meat and food from the pot. Recently she stole some beans and plantain from the pot while it was still boiling. She took some and put it in a nylon and my mum caught her with it (she didn't flog her though).

I personally don't think it is okay for my mum to be flogging another person's child even if the person is under her care and even if she does bad things. Sometimes she uses a standard cane, sometimes she slaps or knocks her, sometimes she uses whatever is in her hand at the moment.

I personally believe scolding her would suffice. I don't feel comfortable with her flogging someone else's child.

What do you guys think? Is it okay to flog your house help? Even when she misbehaves?

VillageHead:
1. How dey take know say na toilet be dat, na dem build am? Dem follow use am?

2. How dey take know say na 2700 years toilet be dat?

I could ask you the same thing. How do scientists know that fossils they find are billions of years old?

LordReed:
I didn't he introduced it, I said he set the conditions for what would be considered sin. As for blame some will put it squarely at his feet; he created beings capable of sinning and then put them in conditions that gave them opportunity to do so knowing full well that they would indeed sin. If a leader has foresight of danger and fails to remedy it who should receive the blame?

God created beings capable of sinning, yes. But don't forget that He created them capable of doing good too.

God determines what is sin, yes, and why wouldn't He? What parent doen't give rules to their children to follow?

God put them in a condition that gave them the opportunity, yes. But He warned them not to do it and even told them of the consequences of doing it. The devil told them to do it, so God is not the enemy, the devil is. Besides, that is the beauty of freewill. Freewill is not really freewill unless the person given freewill can use his freewill against the one who gave it to him.

Remember God gave Adam dominion over the earth.... He literally made Him the god of this world. And with Adam being in charge of this world, it only makes sense that God would give him the freewill to choose how the world He gave him to rule over will be.

God is not like man. He doesn't make robots. When man makes something he makes it to do a particular thing and if it doesn't do it, he throws it away. But God is not like that. Although God has made all men accountable to Him, He has given all the freewill to choose what course their lives will take.

God did know that Adam and Eve would indeed sin. He already knew that and acted ahead of them. The Bible says that Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world, meaning that God already knew there would be a problem and made a solution.

He knew that they would sin and reject Him, but still, that's the beauty of freewill. They could choose to obey or disobey but whichever choice they made, the consequences would be theirs to bear.

BassReeves:
Revelation 20:14 KJV
'13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.'

Revelation 20:14
'13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and Hades (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them;
and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God].'

Matthew 10:28
'And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul;
rather be afraid of Him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”'

Thank you beloved, but in light of the above two scriptures, are you still of the opinion that people go somewhere to suffer forever?
Do you really think the soul is incombustible?

Read the story of the rich man and lazarus. I'll only post a portion of it here.

Luk 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
Luk 16:25 "But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.

Jesus vividly illustrates that our spirits go somewhere when they leave our bodies.

Also, you quoted from revelations but you conveniently left out this part:

Rev 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev_19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev_20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev_20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The spirit is eternal. Spirits don't die. God made hell for the devil and his angels and angels are spirits who can't die. Humans are spirits and spirits don't die.

Believers go to be with the Lord when they die. (see 2 Cor 5:. And unbelievers go to hell when they die.

The lake of fire is an actual place where people are tormented forever. The Scriptures which i posted above have made that fact very clear.

As i told you before visit my earlier post for more clarification. https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife.

God bless.

LordReed:
It was your god who determined what would be classed as sin.

Yes He did, but He didn't introduce it into the world, man did. So He isn't to blame for sin.