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LordReed:
To prove that your god is real. Elijah didn't need a fire but he asked for one anyway to prove his god was real. So go ahead, prove your is real.

Lol.. you and i both know that's not going to happen

alphaNomega:
. Because you have a story book filled with imaginary characters

Why can't the same be said about atheism?

LordReed:
What claims does atheism make?

That there is no God?

XXXXTENTACION:
Name the white man that invented atheism...

I will if you can name the white man that invented theism

alphaNomega:
If atheism is a belief, abstinence is a sexual position

What are you talking about guy?

LordReed:
You don't need to want to know it.

If i don't want to know it then why should i ask for it?

DeepSight:
Did you also not read my explanatory post above?

Lol.. i did read it and from what you wrote i deduced that you haven't understood my point of view

LordReed:
That is the evidence I just gave you. Ask your god to tell you my address, if your god is real he would be able to tell you, if he is not real you won't know that information just by prayer to the god alone.

why would i want to know your address?

KnownUnknown:
Then you conduct further research and testing to see if fraud or other misconduct is afoot.

i'm confused

alphaNomega:
oh shít you are serious

Okay, how is atheism a tale?

First tell me how Christianity is a tale

wait o.. what will now happen to his cows? will they share them or will the cows do life with him?

LordReed:
You cannot ask your god to tell you something you don't know or otherwise cannot find out for yourself. If your god exists then he should be able to tell you my home address.

You didn't answer my question

LordReed:
No I do not. I simply lack the belief that any god exists, I reserve my belief till one can be demonstrated to exist. However some concepts of god cannot be extant given the evidence we do have.

What evidence

Workch:
Its better to believe it when we have evidence, that’s logical enough

Evidence that nothing created something? lol.. where have you ever witnessed something being created by nothing?

DeepSight:
Stop working so hard to deceive yourself. The alleged propitiatory sacrifice of Christ is ritual human sacrifice. Pagan and repugnant.

Have you not read anything i posted? How can you still hold this view after reading all that i wrote?

Workch:
It's better not to believe that snakes can talk. That's a better fairytale for me.

It is better not to believe that nothing created something. That's a better fairy tale for me

LordReed:
The absence of a thing can not also be the thing, c'mon that should be simple enough to understand. How can the pot have water and not have water at the same time, that is an impossibility yet you are saying we lack belief and have belief at the same time.

You reject the belief that there is a God and therefore assert the belief that there is no God.

legionISproteus:
Hmmm, I don't think so. Please explain

Christianity has claims as does atheism if those of Christianity are said to be fairy tales what stops us from seeing atheism as the same?

legionISproteus:
According to you, we can say
absence of life in this camel is the same as life in this camel

Absence of wealth in Tokyo is the same as wealth in Tokyo

Absence of blue colour on my shirt is the same as blue colour on my shirt

are you seeing how crazy it sounds?

The examples you gave and what i said have nothing in common

alphaNomega:
You must be joking. Please tell me you are joking

I ain't!!

Baawaa:
They should send him to yaba left

omo dis one pass yaba left o

LordReed:
Just like a TV that's off is a DSTV channel.

I don't understand?

LordReed:
By arguing how lack of belief is also belief? Bwahahahahaha!

Lol.. you atheists try very hard to stand out. You don't want to appear like others. You say atheism is a 'lack of belief' but that is not the historical definition of atheism.

Wikipedia defines atheism as, 'Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities'

But it could also be restated as, ' Atheism, in the broadest sense, is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of deities'

Absence of belief is the same as belief.

alphaNomega:
Have you seen the effort Christians and Muslims put in when you try to get to reason how absurd the Bible is? They defy all truth and logic to justify the evils and misconceptions in the Bible.

Seriously check my post in the religion section and behold the length a fellow human being is going to defend Christianity .

As for Muslims, those ones are the worst, they even threaten to take your life.

What I do is to try to enlighten as the need arises. That way I do my own bit in getting people to stop putting themselves under the pressure of a white man's fairy tale.

Lol... atheism is also a white man's fairy tale

DeepSight:
Stop working so hard to deceive yourself. The alleged propitiatory sacrifice of Christ is ritual human sacrifice. Pagan and repugnant.

But Jesus was raised from the dead. Can this be said about any ritual sacrifice?

Premiumwriter:
Sorry I've not been able to reply this for some time not because I was not online. I just had little time on my hands nowadays.

Coming back to the topic, I planned on replying to every point you raised in your post but at the same time, I realized that the very post you made is a justification for my earlier post.

So, it wouldn't make any sense to quote and dissect your post any more.

So this is all I will like to say, a Muslim believes that Allah is the maker of all things. This Allah has preferences, he loves the Muslims and detest the people Muslims call infidels.

Allah wants everyone to be Muslims and live 'holy' lives according to his commandments in the Quran. But the infidels will not have any of these.

Since infidels are not living according to the standard set by Allah. Allah has given Muslims the right to kill as many infidels as they could to make the world a 'better Islamic place'.

This law was established by Allah and since Allah created everything, then he has a right to say what is right and what isn't. All the Muslims have to do is obey him and they will never be wrong.

The above analogy has been overly simplified and I'm sorry to any Muslim reading this. But in the same vein, the above serves as the basis to why a jihadist will go to any village, raze it down with fire and kill every infidel in that village.

And he'll be perfectly justified because he killed only infidels whom his God has commanded him to kill.

He is perfectly right in his religious beliefs but to you as a Christian, he is a terrorist.

Can you see why we try to move away from the REASON behind an act and instead focus on the ACT itself? If we are to justify the reason behind an act, every religion has a reason why they carry out the sacrifices they carry out.

Just as you place your God on a premium pedestal as a maker of all things, so do the Muslims. Just as your God made a DEMAND on the basis which he can be appeased, so do the gods of other religions made demand for how to be appeased.

And they all have perfectly reasonable reasons why these demands must be met. Yours is that the 'whole world has sinned against your God and fallen short of his glory' the Muslims and thousands of other religions have their own reasons.

Seeing this similitude, I then say, reasons aside, why do Christians justify the shedding of the blood of a man to please their God but condemn every other religions who does the same thing or even less with the blood of animals?

My reasoning and direction of argument has no bearing on my understanding of the Bible, just as you would go into your Bible and find reasons why it is perfectly right to kill a man to cleanse the sins of the whole world, a jihadist can go into his Quran and give you thirty perfect reasons why he must wear a suicide bomb and kill all the infidels on the next flight to Europe.

And the chief priest of amadioha can tell you more than five reasons why the village head should sacrifice 5 goats before the next harvest. If there's no reason behind an act no one will carry out such acts.

A thief steals because he is in need of that item. But the judge does not listen to that reason. Rather he judges the act of theft. Once you steal, a crime has been committed and you must appear before the court regardless of the reason why you stole.

I'm giving you the position of a judge in a court, judge between amadioha who requires the blood of goat to cleanse his followers who believes he is the creator of the universe and the God whom the Christian believes is the maker of all things who require the blood of another man to cleanse the Christians of their sins.

You are a just and righteous judge who does not believe in any of these gods. Now judge carefully, who should be condemned, amadioha or the God of the Christians?

Well you can't exactly interpret an act accurately without first knowing the reason behind the act.

Also, like i mentioned earlier and will mention again, in the history of all mankind the Christian God has only ever accepted one human sacrifice and this can't be compared with the sacrifices being offered to amadioha and the likes.

Also, God is not the one that killed Jesus, man did, but Jesus offered Himself to God as a sacrifice.

I don't think you read thoroughly or understood what i posted and for that reason i recommend that you read it again.

I carefully explained the differences between the sacrifice of Jesus and human sacrifices if you understood what i wrote you'd be commenting differently.

You seem to be hooked on the fact that a human being was sacrificed and have chosen not to take your gaze of that and look at all the things that led up to the sacrifice and the aftermath of the said sacrifice.

Why should you be comparing the sacrifice of Jesus to that of amadioha? Have any of amadioha's sacrifices been said to have been raised from the dead?

Please read my post again. I don't believe you did and even if you did i don't believe you get my points.

LordReed:
What effort? None of your posts has even evinced any kind of anguish over the matter instead you are try out arguments for god that are full of fallacies.

I'm sha doing more than most others are

NaijaSatanlst:
Athiesm is not a belief system. There are Atheist debate out there, and Atheists podcasts. What are you talking about?

Lol.. atheism is not a belief system? You may define atheism as a lack of belief in God or a disbelief in God but it still is a belief system nonetheless. You guys BELIEVE there is no God, period.

The word atheist comes from the greek 'A Theos' which means 'No God'. An atheist says there is no God which means that they BELIEVE there is no God.

P.S You call yourself an atheist why then is your moniker NaijaSatanist? If you don't believe in God how then do you believe in satan?

triplechoice:
Then why bother about the attitude of some atheist towards you?

Doesn't it signify that you're starting to show some kind of sympathy towards what they are doing and want them to do it the right way?

It's what I can see.

I'm not bothered about their attitude

I just wanted to pull their legs that's all..

LordReed:
I don't but question is do you? Your posts barely count since all you do is try to logic your god into existence.

At least i'm making an effort and it counts

Dtruthspeaker:
As I have answered your brother below, Fear is The Law!

Secondly Reward Too is The Law! You do not go to work for free, you expect your reward (Wages/Salary/Fees) in return!

At work you do not remain in the same position for ever, you strove for the reward of Promotions and Honour.

You are also still not in Nursery school today, because you strove for the rewards of promotion to greater heights and glory. Now you happily tell everyone "I'm a graduate"

You never saw anything wrong in doing these same things we do nor did you resist yourself from increasing your rewards.

Right now, you have taken steps so that can increase your rewards, so you do not speak well at all.

Thirdly, THIS IS NOT A REBUTTAL TO THE ALLEGATION Hismasterpiece leveled against you. THIS IS A CHANGE OF POST!

THE ISSUE IS ABOUT YOU PEOPLE'S BAD CONDUCT AND NOT ABOUT WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE GOD AND HIS LAWS.

SO YOU EITHER DEFEND YOURSELF AS TO YOUR BAD CONDUCT OR STAY SILENT AS YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE!

Abi o the guy just went off point

NaijaSatanlst:
Hello Hismasterpiece, I'm just going to keep this short.
If you need the fear/reward of eternal damnation/eternal life to keep you from doing bad, then you are not really a good person. If the reason why you are a good person is because, you are expecting a reward when you die, then you are not really good.

In your tiny shell of a mind, in order for someone to be "good", He has to believe in your God, or else He is not really good. You keep acting like your religion/deity is the center stage of all morality. Hsve you even read your own Bible? Why did your Bible encourage slavery in the first place?

Have you seen what is going on in the Catholic church? The way the priests rape young boys? And the Nuns rape young girls with crucifixes?

You act as if Christianity has always been widespread and people were not good without it. Atheists don't hate god, Atheists don't worship Satan - We don't even believe in such things. Judging someone based off of what He believes/not believes is really stupid.

This is how your mind works and it is really sad.

Christian/Theist == Good
Athiest/Agnostic == Bad

Ok, going by your logic, if someone has to be a religious person in order to be good, then why is Nigeria the way it is? After all majority of the inhabitants of this country are Christians/Muslims.

The world doesn't revolve around your God/religion. Morality evolves. That's why back then during the Biblical times, it was moral to keep slaves. Heck even your God saw nothing wrong with it. But today, slavery is not condoned.

No one should be judged based off of his stance on the concept of god. You sick fucck. Rather people should be based off their actions and the way they treat people around them. Nigeria is the way it is today because of people like you.

Guy what are you talking about? Where in my post did i say only Christians are good? Where did i say that atheists hate God? I think you didn't read my post properly so as to get it's context. I wasn't talking about doing good things like telling the truth in comparison to doing bad things like lying.

The point of my post was simply to point out to atheists that rather than insult us or mock us or shame us for what we believe they should correct us lovingly and respectfully, that's all.

Also, i intended to point out that if they really believe in what they claim they would be there would be a more aggressive effort on their part to get the message out like we Christians are. I have never heard of anyone comparable to Billy Graham or Mother Theresa or Oyedepo or Adeboye or Apostle Paul or Kenneth Hagin or John Wesley in atheist circles. There are no atheist radio stations or programs that i know of that are actively spreading the 'truth' of atheism and trying to get religious people out of the mental slavery that they claim we are in.

My point was to say that if they truly loved us and saw us as being insane and enslaved, they wouldn't mock us but they'd help us lovingly that's all.

Capisce?