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MaxInDHouse:
When some individuals come on social media to talk about others we need to read their minds through what they wrote!

There are two main groups that's disturbing Hismasterpiece: ATHEISTS and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
ATHEISTS are becoming a problem because their incessant criticism against his credulity is bothering him and he's not competent enough to silence them intelligently.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are also becoming his problem because they stand out with a unique faith that rendered his faith in TRINITY useless.

That's why he purposely opened two threads one for ATHEISTS and the other for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Are you yourself competent to silence them intelligently?

And there's nothing unique about Jehovahs witnesses. You guys are just an aberration of the Christian faith.

Paul referred to you guys when he said that in the later days believer will be drawn away by deceiving spirits and will start to believe doctrines of Demons.

Read the Bible and let it speak to you. Stop believing everything that your leaders tell you.

MaxInDHouse:
He's only having troubles within himself after i discussed with him.
Talk is cheap and everyone is free to express themselves, thank God America has granted everyone FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION and WORSHIP otherwise this person will also carry his weapon like radical Islamists to start hunting people whose beliefs differs from his own!

LOL.

Aboks:
Lies jehovahs witnesses dont believe in hell fire

STOP spreading false information

That's exactly what I wrote. They don't believe in an eternal punishment. They believe that the unbelievers will be annihilated on the final day after they are resurrected. Read again before you rush to comment.

When Jesus told His disciples to beware of the leaven of the pharisees he eas telling them to beware of the doctrine of the pharisees. Matthew 16:6-12.

Today i would like to warn you about certain doctrines of Jehovah's witnesses that are not scriptural.

Jehovah's Witnesses is a Christian denomination with beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.

Jehovah's Witnesses are directed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses which establishes all doctrines based on its interpretations of the Bible.

They prefer to use their own Bible translation, the New World Translation. The New World Translation of the Bible is Jehovah's Witnesses own translation, no other religious group uses this Bible and Jehovah's Witnesses make very little use of other Bibles.

Various Bible scholars, including Bruce M. Metzger and MacLean Gilmour, have said that while scholarship is evident in New World Translation, its rendering of certain texts is inaccurate and biased in favor of Witness practices and doctrines. Critics of the group such as Edmund C. Gruss, and Christian writers such as Ray C. Stedman, Walter Martin, Norman Klann, and Anthony Hoekema state that the New World Translation exhibits scholastic dishonesty. Most criticism of the New World Translation relates to its rendering of the New Testament, particularly regarding the introduction of the name Jehovah and in passages related to the Trinity doctrine.

The organization has received criticism regarding biblical translation, doctrines, and alleged coercion of its members. The Watch Tower Society has made various unfulfilled predictions about major biblical events such as Christ's Second Coming, the advent of God's Kingdom, and Armageddon.

Jehovah's Witnesses have received criticism from mainstream Christianity, members of the medical community, former members and commentators regarding their beliefs and practices. The movement has been accused of doctrinal inconsistency and reversals, failed predictions, mistranslation of the Bible, harsh treatment of former members and autocratic and coercive leadership.

Criticism has also focused on their rejection of blood transfusions, particularly in life-threatening medical situations, and failing to report cases of sexual abuse to the authorities. Many of the claims are denied by Jehovah's Witnesses and some have also been disputed by courts and religious scholars.

Jehovah's Witnesses focus on God the Father, so their name is taken from the Tetragrammaton, written as YHWH or JHVH and articulated either as Yahweh or Jehovah.

Below are some of the false doctrines they peddle:

1. They deny the trinity. The Watch Tower says Jesus is a created being and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force and not a person. This is not what the scriptures teach.

Jesus is God and was present with God at creation (Gen 1:1-2, Gen 1:26, John 1:1-2). He is the creator of the universe (John 1:3), (Col 1:16).

The Holy Spirit is God also. Even the early Christians believed so. When ananias and sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit Peter told them that they had not lied to men but to God (Act 5:3-4). The Holy Spirit was even present at the beginning of creation (Gen 1:2).

The Trinity is revealed from the very beginning of Scripture (Gen 1:26). When God said us who was He referring to? Obviously Jesus and The Holy Spirit. One portion of Scripture that clearly identifies each member of the Trinity separately is (Mat 3:16-17). Jesus was coming out of the water after being baptized, The Holy Spirit was coming upon Him, and the Father spoke.

Another portion of scripture that distinctly identifies all the members of the Trinity and their functions in the body is (1Co 12:4-6).

2. They deny the deity of Christ. This is clearly mapped out in scripture. People worshiped Jesus severally (Matt 2:11, Mat 8:2, Matt 14:33, Matt 15:25, Matt 28:9, Matt 28:17, Mark 5:6) and he never rejected worship and worship belongs to God and God alone (Mat 4:10) and the apostles, when they were worshiped rejected worship (Act 10:25-26, Act 14:11-15). Even Jesus Himself claimed God status (John 8:58). The Watch Tower teaches that Jesus was created “just as angels were spirit beings created by God…. The fact is that Jesus is not God and never claimed to be”.

3. The person-hood and deity of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah’s Witnesses liken the “holy spirit” to electricity – an impersonal, powerful, unseen force under the sovereign control of Jehovah. The Bible, however, clearly establishes the deity of the Holy Spirit as the third person of the triune Godhead. The Bible uses the words “Holy Spirit” and “God” interchangeably (Act 5:3-4). Jesus calls the Spirit “another Counselor,” (John 14:16) with the Greek word 'allos' meaning “another of the same kind.”

The Holy Spirit is a person and not a force. The scripture says that the Holy Spirit distributes spiritual gifts to each believer as He Wills. A force doesn't have a will does it? No. Only a person has a will and that is what the Holy Spirit is, a person.

4. Consciousness of the soul after death. The Watch Tower teaches “soul sleep” – that is, the soul rests in the grave with the body until the resurrection. JWs deny that people possess immortal souls.

This is contrary to what the scripture teaches. We are spirits who have souls and live in bodies (1 Thess 5:23). The body dies when the human spirit leaves it and goes to its eternal home (James 2:26). Jesus told the thief hanging alongside him, 'Today you will be with me in paradise'. (Luke 23:42-43).

For further information on this point please visit my previous post where i explain this in more detail https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife.

5. They deny everlasting punishment for unbelievers in hell and Heaven as the destination for all believers. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach the annihilation of the wicked in hell. However, the Bible says hell is a place of everlasting conscious existence, where unbelievers are forever separated from God (Luke 16:18-31), (Mat 13:24-30).

John the baptist gives a parable in which he describes heaven and hell in (Mat 3:12). The winnowing fan in this context refers to judgement, the threshing floor is the earth, the wheat who are gathered into His barn are the believers and the chaff that will be burned up with unquenchable fire are the unbelievers.

Heb 9:27 teaches that after a man dies he is immediately judged and sentenced to where he will be for eternity (heaven or hell).

The Watch Tower teaches two classes of redeemed people: the “little flock” of 144,000 in heaven, and the “other sheep” who, if worthy, abide forever on a restored earth.

The Bible teaches that all believers have God’s promise of a home in heaven (John 14:2-3, 2 Cor 5:1-8, Phil 1:21-24) . We go there instantly upon physical death.

Now you know the truth and will be able to identify heresy when it is presented to you.

PLEASE, PLEASE AND PLEASE BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN (DOCTRINE) OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses are established by the Governing Body. The denomination does not tolerate dissent over doctrines and practices. Members who openly disagree with the group's teachings are expelled and shunned.

Witness publications strongly discourage followers from questioning doctrine and counsel received from the Governing Body, reasoning that it is to be trusted as part of "God's organization".

It also warns members to "avoid independent thinking", claiming such thinking "was introduced by Satan the Devil" and would "cause division". Those who openly disagree with official teachings are condemned as "apostates" who are "mentally diseased".

BEWARE OF THE LEAVEN (DOCTRINE) OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!!!

Near1:
Or maybe not. Certainly nothing that proves an afterlife, or a connection between believing and getting there. It’s not that hard anymore to find websites that respond to every claim of a contemporary historical record of the person who is the central character of the gospels. Nothing of them rise about a 50/50 chance of being true.

What is your basis for determining if a historical document is accurate or not? This is a really important question. Everything else hinges on this.

Jesus did exist. He indeed was crucified on a cross. This is a historical fact.

LordReed:
But you claimed to know that this universe is setup by a whoever, how did you come to this conclusion if you don't know?

I declare myself an atheist because I DON'T BELIEVE in any god or gods, it is not a claim that I know there are no gods. I did claim however to know that the god of the Abrahamic faith doesn't exist because I have sufficient evidence.

It is not a question of logic but of evidence. If you don't claim to know anything then I wonder how you are reaching any conclusions. How are you able to declare there exists a supernatural when you don't know anything?

Your claim is kind of absurd though because here you are conversing with me in a language you most definitely learned so how can you not know the language you are conversing in?

lol. could you please share this evidence with me?

LordReed:
Which facts?

The ones taught by the Holy Bible

MightySparrow:
Ha Your GB's definition of righteousness.

Ignore this guy he's a Jehovahs witness. They don't seek to understand the Bible for themselves they only believe whatever the watchtower society tells them to believe and they are taught not to question them. You can Google about Jehovahs witnesses for confirmation.

Anas09:
You make the Lord Jesus a liar here.

There's judgement coming and those whose names are not written in the Lambs book of life shall perish in a lake of fire which burns forever and ever.
Our bodies goes to the grave, our spirits/returns to God for accountability.
Say what you like, that won't change

Omo don't waste words on him. Let him continue in his deception. He takes one small portion of scripture and makes a doctrine out of it but ignores the vast majority of scripture that is against his doctrine.

Humanoid01:
I have three questions from your comment, can you kindly answer them?

1. What is the point existing in the first place if I'm going to cease to exist in the end?

2. If ceasing to exist will be my “punishment” for not believing in God or the gospel through Jesus Christ, then why do I need to bother to believe?

3. If I cease to exist, then what difference would it make since at the end, there will be no consciousness of the consequences of my sins?

Don't bother with this guy. He doesn't understand the Bible.

Near1:
That is meaningless babble.

Or you could have said, "Zeus could be defined as the all-powerful, all-knowing being who created the universe as we know it. He created man and all other creatures on this planet."

Zeus was a god, created by humans. The only way to kill a god is to stop believing in said god. There have been many dying and rising gods, many with miraculous birth stories too. All created by humans. Many were created after a neuro stimulating event which created awe and wonder - such as a volcano, spewing lava on stones.

Why don't you believe in Zeus or Bast or even Hanuman or Durga or even Vishnu or Shiva? Why is your god called God, instead of El or Ehyeh, which, when translated, is also what Vishnu/Krishna was - the I am.

The question is if a sentient creator god is "necessary" for evolutionary processes. The answer to that is NO.

Now, for your sake, let's revisit your question


Definitions are a place to start, otherwise I don't know what you are talking about. If i said Zeus doesn't exist, you probably wouldn’t question that. I'm guessing you don't understand what a logical compelling reason looks like, but, that's what you asked for. I lack a logical compelling reason for believing, so I'm an atheist. That's logically sound.

If I wanted to EXPLAIN why the CONCEPT of god exists, I could look at historical factors, and see how the IDEAS helped keep tribes together centuries ago. I could make a case for those ideas helping people to survive. But those worldviews bring bad, unhealthy ideas with them. We need to sort out what is worth keeping, and belief, based on nothing, is not one that is helping us right now.

That's the thing. My belief in God is not based on nothing. It's based on facts.

HellVictorinho:
It is not a matter of choice


Nobody chooses to be a theist or an atheist


It happens by chance

What are you saying? We all are a product of our choices. Everybody chooses their beliefs.

You can say however that our nationality, parents, siblings, skin color, name, etc. Are not in our power to choose.

FreeIgboho:
Forget about me and my type. Just think logically for one second.
1) you don't know what you don't know and you have no way of knowing what you don't know you don't know - Neo would live and died and even gone to "heaven" without ever suspecting the entire thing was fake. 2) You have NO WAY of proving that anything exists outside your head. You experience reality entirely through your brain. 3) You have no way of knowing what limitations and distortions were built into your brain.
**Therefore you don't know anything except that maybe you yourself exist
**Specifically, you don't know enough to declare yourself an atheist

Guy you're just confused. Are you joking? Or are you seriously spewing this craziness?

Near1:
Read the bolded sentence again, with more attention.

Now I'm starting to think you're just trolling. In case you aren't, before we proceed I'd like you to define "God" first? Can't ask a question if your words aren't defined.

God is the all-powerful, all-knowing being who created the universe as we know it.

He created man and all other creatures on this planet.

LordReed:
If I asked you to pray for an amputee to grow back their limb would you be able to do it? That would be an amazing thing if your prayer can accomplish it or is your prayer power only able to accomplish things that are naturally possible?

I am yet to see anybody accomplish what is not naturally possible by prayer or any other so called supernatural means, all I see are naturally possible things. If you want to convince me that there is a supernatural accomplish something that is not naturally possible.

Like I said your biased.

It is hard for any atheist or Christian to have a meaningful conversation cuz both are sold out to their beliefs.

I can't believe your claims cuz I'm biased to the spiritual and you can't believe my claims cuz you're biased to the natural.

By the way.. Going by the topic of the thread..

Give me logical reasons as to why I should be an atheist.

Near1:
Are you a student? Is this a class project? What does "logic" mean to you? I ask that last question because[b] there is no logical argument for gods.[/b] That's one definition of atheism - the lack of belief, the lack of a reason to believe.

Remove God and the bible and nothing changes. The Universe doesn't need a God. Especially a God that cannot be described. The universe and its workings are well described by science. Using applied science we have been able to discover the mathematical nature of the universe. Mathematics have nothing to do with a God. God creates miracles, but no one knows how or why. It is clear that if there ever was a God, and He looked at what He hath created, he would not love this world so much that he gave up his only begotten son.

Religious folks don't seem to realize that according Darwin, the death of your only begotten son ends your family line and "natural selection" has made your line extinct, along with 98 % of all species which are now extinct, because they did not live long enough to procreate. If God ever lived, he is now extinct, because Jesus (God’s offspring) never had offspring himself.

Yet the Universe has done remarkable well without God or his son, except on Earth where untold people have died because religious people thought God told them it was a good idea. The concept of a God simply is not a necessary ingredient of the Universe. It is an obsolete concept, imagined by ignorant people. I dare say it is a corrupting influence. Where does Universal law allow you make amends for your mistakes by asking forgiveness and saying a few prayers? You make a mathematical mistake in your bank book and your balance is off!

Is AGW going to disappear because we are sorry and pray to God to make it go away? Think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RD7hNDrV14liA&v=iRsTtzYhTxk

What would a logical argument for God sound like to you. Please explain. What do you mean by a logical argument for God.

LordReed:
Not trying to convince you that you didn't feel what you felt. I just don't think it indicates anything supernatural.

Again not remarkable, menstrual issues come and go. The problem is for every type of success you record by you thinking your prayer worked there are 10 more where prayer didn't or will you tell me everything you pray for comes to be?

Also we know that illness like menstrual issues comes and goes. Take for instance headache, you pray for someone who has one and it goes, how do we know if the headache went because of prayer or it went naturally as headaches do from time to time. How can we tell if it was your prayer that resolved the menstrual issues or it resolved naturally and your prayer had nothing to do with it.

It's like you didn't read what I posted.

I said while I was praying... In the process of my praying she started to feel her flow come... That's no coincidence na.. Its obviously supernatural.

Just say you're biased. And have decided to see things from a nuturalistic/humanistic viewpoint and have disregarded the very thought of anything being spiritual.

LordReed:
Have you ever stared death in the face? I have. Doesn't make me still think there is a supernatural. I dunno why you think one event in your life is the foundation for a belief in a supernatural.

That there are things in this universe we don't know or can't yet explain is no basis to establish belief in the supernatural.

I am not anti-supernatural, I am skeptical. Your "ghost hand" is such a banal example it doesn't even register as something I should consider. Besides several people have tried to verify the existence of supernatural and paranormal powers to no avail. It's not today we started asking questions.

Dude you can't convince me otherwise. I know somebody touched me that day. Whether you believe it or not doesn't change the fact.

Okay leave that experience and consider this one.

I have prayed for a girl having menstrual flow issues and while I was praying for her, according to what she told me later on, she started to feel her period come, and when she got to her hostel her period came.

How do you explain that?

Near1:
Good afternoon.

God is a superfluous and unnecessary concept…

Why do you say so?

LordReed:
Somethings have human creators and others don't, that doesn't lead me to conclude that all things must have creators.

Why shouldn't you arrive at such a conclusion?

Have you ever seen any building that built itself? Or any car that built itself?

Ever since the purported big bang that caused creation there never has been another. Why is that?

Ever since the theorized evolution by natural selection there never has been any further evolution. Why is that?

But ever since the original creation we still see creation in action till today!

LordReed:
Why shouldn't I mention it? We are an outcome of the evolutionary process that has been established as fact.

The theory of evolution is just as it says... A THEORY.

It has never been proven and can never be proven.

Tell me something. If humans evolved from apes then why do apes still exist?

Also if humans evolved from apes why haven't we evolved further? I sure would like to evolve from the way I currently am to something more impressive.

Did you know that in the Charles Darwin book that popularized the theory of evolution he spends the closing chapters of the book doubting his own theory?

Even Charles Darwin didn't postulate the theory of evolution as a fact but just as a theory.

Nobody has ever witnessed evolution and ever will.

LordReed:
You can't even remember what you ate last week but you think you remember what a "ghost hand" feels like all these years later?

LOL.

There are four times in my life that i have been scared to death.

The first time was when I broke my head as a kid and was bleeding profusely. I was really scared that day and thought I was going to die.

The second time was when I almost drowned in a swimming pool as a kid.

The third time was when a senior in my boarding school punched my nose and I began to bleed profusely from my nose.

The fourth time was that day when an invisible person rubbed my shoulder (in a dark room which makes it even more scary).

Have you ever been scared... Like really scared? Tell me have you forgotten the experience? Scary experiences are truly hard to forget.

I surely can't recall everything I eat but I can recall things that stand out... Like foods that made me vomit or caused me severe stomach pain.

This experience I'm talking about has never before happened to me and never again happened to me.

You atheists have an anti-supernatural bias and are not willing to accept the fact that there are things which exist that you simply don't know, or haven't experienced.

But just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it is false.

LordReed:

There are many things that form without a creator. Mountains for instance have several natural processes that cause their formation. That something exists is not enough evidence for a personal anthropomorphic creator.

and what of all the other things that have creators? what do you have to say about them?

LordReed:
There are many things that form without a creator. Mountains for instance have several natural processes that cause their formation. That something exists is not enough evidence for a personal anthropomorphic creator.

so how do you explain human existence? please don't even mention evolution.

LordReed:
For me it means incontrovertible facts that point solely to a particular cause. I have experienced, heard and seen lots of things that are claimed to be of the supernatural bent but on closer inspection turn out to be completely natural or in part unexplained.

things like what?

LordReed:
Easy to explain cos it happens to me a lot. The edge of your pillow or pillow case was what brushed your shoulder. It feels shockingly delightful when it happens and feels very intimate too.

A HAND touched me. I believe i know what a hand touch feels like. Plus it had never happened to me before prior to that time and has never since happened to me again since then.

FreeIgboho:
Prove it. That's what I want him to do.
Can't you see? There is no way you can prove anything exists outside your head. Just as you can't prove all this is not a dream

i can prove it is not a dream because i know i am not dreaming.

FreeIgboho:
I mentioned the flying Spaghetti monster and since then he can't let it go lol

lol..abi

FreeIgboho:
No, all this could be happening entirely in my head - as when u dream

But it isn't.

Workch:
Why do you think I am playing?

Because I exposed the senselessness of your belief in evolution. Now you've turned everything to a big joke as a means to evade my questions.

Workch:
We were created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Lol.. Stop playing na.

Workch:
lightning, earthquakes, eclipses, pestilence/diseases , Adam and Eve creation story, sleep paralysis etc

Okay lemme question you.

Since I have made you disbelieve in evolution (lol)

How, then, do you explain human existence?