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Christianity EtcRe: Beware Of The Leaven Of Jehovah's Witnesses by Hismasterpiece(op):
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.

You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.

So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -

Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."


The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."


For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.

Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.

And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.

But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.

Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).

Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.

And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.

Gracias.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:57pm On Sep 07, 2021
Cabble4:
Bros, you can't sustain this argument with your point of "His Original plans was to have all His creation in paradise for eternity". This is because, He knows the very End from the beginning. So, if I know the end from the Beginning, then the argument of " Original or contingency plans" doesn't come in. Only man do have plan A, Plan B and even Plan C; Not God Almighty bro.
I believe that God knows the end from the beginning, but i also believe that God can choose not to know something. I'll give you three examples from scripture.

1. Heb 8:12 "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." . But you say God knows all things, but this scripture makes it clear that though he knows all things, He still has the ability to keep things out of His knowledge.

2. The story of when God tested Abraham. He told him to offer his son Isaac as a burnt offering to Him. I believe God chose not to know what choice Abraham would make. Because if God already knew, then why would he ask Abraham to sacrifice his son? Gen 22:1-18.

3. The return of Jesus. Jesus said that no one knows when He will return, except the father. Jesus is God and knows all things so what other explanation is there except the fact that even though God knows the end from the beginning, He can choose not to. Mat 24:36
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:44pm On Sep 07, 2021
LordReed:
How do you know they were sacrificed against their will?

The god's interest was served by sacrificing Jesus just like the king's was. Also Jericho was saved to I guess the people of Jericho in that tale should have been happy that their king sacrificed his sons to save them.

The Aztecs used to sacrifice people too and by all accounts the people went willingly to their deaths so that makes it okay?

A sacrifice is not something you expect to receive back so basically your god did ojoro and got his own sacrifice back while others have to be content with knowing what they lost.

I can't really say since I would not rape and murder but in a situation where in other to save me some other person would have to loose their life my first instinct will be to reject such a solution. In fact I would not consciously accept such a solution unless I was not in a position to affect the decision but if it was a matter of choice I would reject it.
Even if other sacrifices had willing victims, there still is no record of a god raising someone sacrificed to him from the dead three days after they were sacrificed.

From what i understand from your post, it seems that you are trying to say that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross shows that God is evil and not good?
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 8:40pm On Sep 07, 2021
LordReed:
You believe what you read in written stories, not much different from the ones you heard.

I became a believer in Jesus before my parents and siblings. It was a personal conviction and not because anybody forced me, I professed Jesus of my own accord.
You also believe what you read. Where do you get your knowledge on atheism from? Didn't you read it online? How are you sure what you read is reliable and not just some biased opinion of a God-hater? How do we know world history? Don't we get it from the things we read?

Who led you to Christ? How did you come to know Christ?
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:37pm On Sep 07, 2021
Cabble4:
What's there to clarify? It's common English. Or are you trying to sweep off carpet the question?
*Let Me rephrase, in your assertion, you claimed that creation of hell wasn't included in God's original Plan and that it was because man rebelled that He then changed His MIND and created hell. To you, Hell is like Plan B because something went wrong unexpectedly and the Plan A(Original Plan) is Paradise.
I objected by saying, you cannot sustained your point of hell fire with the above argument because, God can and will never be taken unaware because He knows the very end from the beginning. And anyone who knows the end from the beginning cannot be FORCED TO MAKE A PLAN B, because something went wrong unexpectedly.
*So, if you want to sustain your point of hell, look for another thing and don't surreptitiously tell people that, God never knew what He was doing before getting on with it and only noticed it when man rebelled and then created a hell fire which was not His original plan.
*For God sake!!! Where in the bible did you see "hell is God's second plan after He discovered that man rebelled?"
First of all, i never said God created hell after man rebelled. According to what the scriptures teach, God created hell for the devil and his angels.

Secondly, what you understood by what i posted wasn't the aim of my post. Are you saying that God created Heaven and created hell on standby in anticipation of satan's and adam's rebellion? I don't think that accords with scripture.
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 8:33pm On Sep 07, 2021
judemurphy:
In Act of the Apostles,when the disciples spoke in tongue,they actually where speaking other people's language. Read it carefully and you'll see
Re-read what i posted.

0. They are speaking an actual language, which can either be a natural language which is common like in Act 2:6, 8, 11. or a supernatural language which is not common 1Co 14:14.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 1:41pm On Sep 07, 2021
Cabble4:
Bros, you can't sustain this argument with your point of "His Original plans was to have all His creation in paradise for eternity". This is because, He knows the very End from the beginning. So, if I know the end from the Beginning, then the argument of " Original or contingency plans" doesn't come in. Only man do have plan A, Plan B and even Plan C; Not God Almighty bro.
I don't understand your point. Clarify please.
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 1:37pm On Sep 07, 2021
LordReed:
This is one of the challenges, most of these things are something you heard second hand. You yourself have never witnessed interpretation going on yet I bet the church you attend has people praying in tongues very openly. If none of you know what the next person is saying how is your situation now different?

You never asked what denomination I was of or what they believed. I'll tell you anyway, I attended Living Faith Church aka Winners for 25+ years and if you know Winners you'll know they firmly believe in the same things you are saying.
I don't just believe it because i heard stories about it. I believe it because it is written.

Let me ask you a question. When you were a Christian was it because of a personal conviction you had or because your parents were Christians and took you to church with them every sunday?
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:56pm On Sep 07, 2021
LordReed:
May be you need to reread your own response again. How many times have you seen anybody interpret speaking in tongues? How many times have you seen any group follow Paul’s injunctions concerning interpretation of speaking in tongues? Going by the criteria you laid out if these are not obeyed then they are not speaking in tongues.

The problem with your approach is you want to negate my experience but you can’t do it without negating yours.
I see. So when you were a believer you witnessed people speaking in tongues without giving an interpretation. I can understand that.

Truth be told, i never have seen anyone give an interpretation.

But that doesn't mean it can't happen. I've read and heard accounts of people speaking in tongues and interpreting.

Just because you haven't experience it doesn't mean the scripture isn't true.

By the way you never told me what denomination you belonged to and what their beliefs are, so i can't trust your experience more than i do scripture.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 12:50pm On Sep 07, 2021
LordReed:
Yes it is on par with ritualistic killing even the Bible declares as much, it calls him the lamb. Lambs were slaughtered and burnt as sacrifice, the imagery is supposed to remind you of the gruesome way he died.

It doesn’t matter why he was sacrificed, it is still a human being sacrificed. Do you recall the story of the king of Jericho who sacrificed his 2 sons to achieve victory, there is no difference between what he did and what you say your god did. They both sacrificed their sons to a god for favorable outcome aka human sacrifice.

In your example I would consider such a man as crazy not good. What loving father would do such a thing to his child?
It does matter why Jesus was sacrificed. And yes there is a difference between what the king did and what God did. The king's sons were sacrificed against their will and the motive behind their sacrifice, according to scripture was selfish. The king sacrificed his sons for his own personal interest but that is exactly contrary to the sacrifice of Jesus.

According to scripture Jesus gave His Life freely, He wasn't forced to do it. He never fought back, He never resisted, even on the cross He prayed for His murderers. Show me one person who was the subject of a ritual sacrifice that was consenting to their death. The motive behind Jesus' sacrifice wasn't God's own personal interest or in God's favor, but that of mankind in general.

Also, you can't actually compare the sacrifice of Jesus to ritual sacrifices. Do you know why? There has never been any record of a victim of ritual sacrifice being raised from the dead by the god he was sacrificed to after three days. But Jesus was raised from the dead, and today He reigns as Lord over all creation. Hallelujah!!

P.S My example wasn't supposed to be taken literally i was just trying to illustrate the sacrifice of Jesus. It is literally impossible for something like that to happen in real life. But just out of curiosity i would like to know... if you were the criminal in the example, would you let the man's son die for you? Just asking...
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 9:11pm On Sep 06, 2021
LordReed:
Then no Christian right now speaks in tongues going by your own definition because nobody understands what they are saying nor does anybody interpret.

BTW I didn't respond to the OP but to someone who said speaking in tongues is a gift, it is not.
I think you need to read my response again.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 9:08pm On Sep 06, 2021
LordReed:
So a human sacrifice is how we can know your god is good?
When you say a human sacrifice you make is seem like the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is at par with the human ritual killings that happened in post-colonial Nigeria and still happen today and going by that logic you could never be any farther from the truth.

Those ritual killings included taking people's lives forcefully but the sacrifice of Jesus is not like that.

Jesus gave His Life by choice not by force. He left His throne and took off His Glorious Crown in exchange for a cross and a crown of thorns.

Would you like to know why He did that?

Because mankind was condemned because of our sins and God, because He Loves us didn't want us to bear the full weight of our sins had His own Son bear them. And now anyone who repents and believes in Him enters into fellowship with God forever.

Let me give you an example.

Say for instance you committed rape and murder and were sentenced to death by the firing squad.

And the father of the girl you raped and killed, instead of letting you die the death you deserved asked his own son to face the firing squad in your place and he does, and sets you free from having to face the firing squad yourself, would you say that man is good or would you say he is evil?

So, going by my explanation, my answer to your question is yes a human (substitutionary) sacrifice does prove that God is indeed good.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 7:21pm On Sep 06, 2021
LordReed:
We can't see or test eternal life. heaven, hell and other unseen concepts so how can we know that your god is good?
Because He sent His Son into the world to be the substitute for sinners.
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 7:17pm On Sep 06, 2021
LordReed:
It is not any sort of gift. I'm an atheist and I can speak in tongues. I and my siblings spoke in tongues to ourselves when we were children. Glossolalia or speaking in tongues is not exclusive to Christians.
I really don't think you understand what the Bible refers to as speaking in tongues.

Going by what the Bible teaches, tongues is something exclusive only to 'Spirit filled' of 'Spirit baptized' Christians.

I think i understand where your confusion comes from.

The word 'Tongues'.

Tongues is not a common phrase that people use today. When you speak Yoruba, for instance, if a foreigner is standing alongside you does he say, ' what tongue are you speaking'? No. He says, 'what language are you speaking'.

Most Bible translations use the word 'tongues' when referring to this phenomenon, but the tlv (Tree of Life) version uses the word 'language', which is actually a very accurate translation.

Mar 16:17  These signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak new languages

It is a language.

But going by human logic, you have to learn a language to be able to speak it right? But this language is not spoken out of understanding, but rather by inspiration.

The Bible teaches that in order for a person to speak in a new language they must be believers, have the Holy Spirit come upon them after which He bestows upon that person the ability to speak a new language.

You say you can 'speak in tongues'. But when you 'speak in tongues' do you believe you are speaking a different language that can be understood by the person you are speaking to? If your answer to that question is no, then my dear LordReed, you are not speaking in tongues, that is, according to what the Bible teaches.

When a Spirit baptized Christian speaks a new language the following things are true -
0. They are speaking an actual language, which can either be a natural language which is common like in Act 2:6, 8, 11. or a supernatural language which is not common 1Co 14:14.
1. The speaker is not speaking from his own understanding, the Hold Spirit is the one giving him the words. Act 2:4.
2. They are not speaking to their fellow believers, but to God, who understands what they are saying. 1 Corinthians 14:2.
3. They don't understand what they are saying. 1Co 14:14. But can understand if they pray to God for an interpretation. 1Co 14:13.

P.S By the way i think you misunderstood the topic of the thread. The op is simply asking whether a tongue speaker can end up in hell, and not whether tongues is supernatural or not, or whether exclusive to Christians as your response seems to indicate to be your understanding of the question of the thread.

Sabi? cool cool cool
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 6:01pm On Sep 06, 2021
judemurphy:
Please, I have a question bothering my mind for a long time now,does speaking in tongues guarantee you a place in heaven or you can be speaking in tongues and still go to hell
Speaking in tongues is even small sef... Do you know that you can cast out demons and still end up in hell? You can prophesy and still end up in hell? You can work wonders and still end up in hell?

Judas iscariot is a perfect example. He did all those things and today where is he?
Christianity EtcRe: Is It Possible To Speak In Tongues And Still Go To Hell by Hismasterpiece(m): 5:59pm On Sep 06, 2021
LilMissFavvy:
Even Jesus had disciples. Disciples whom he sent around to do his works, in biblical era we had prophets, bishops, etc. Ist. Tim 3:2 gives us an idea of the characteristics of a bishop, deacon, church head, meaning that such roles were in existence in biblical era. I can only wish that God reveals all truths to you, because I see you supports all sorts of things, I think I saw you say that homosexuality is not sin, or LGBT, I can't remember exactly. There is more that you need to learn, either God will reveal it to you personally, that's if you give the holy spirit a chance, or you join a true Bible believing church, I'm done o.
Sister the guy is deceived. He doesn't understand scripture
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 5:34pm On Sep 06, 2021
bobsage:
Here’s an alternative understanding:
No argument about heaven and hell being real places.

The beliefs expressed here about hell and “Satan”seems to inspired by Dante’s Inferno, not the bible

“The Satan“ was created by God and is one of His most faithful angels, the way He deals with angels is totally different from the way he deals with men.

How God’s justice system lumps them together at the end is to me an interesting misreading of scripture

That it hell exists is not in question, it’s the nature of it that’s the bone of contention. First it’s not physical fire because physical fire cannot burn souls. It’s allegorical

And the nature and duration of the punishment is another issue. How long is it? Forever and ever? To accomplish what purpose?

All judgement of God towards man as revealed in the bible are always corrective, never vindictive. God is not going to punish a man forever and ever for rejecting Him that sounds like what a monster would do not a God of love who created human beings for his pleasure

Annihilation as indicated by CS Lewis, and a finite time period (not more than a year as alluded to by the rabbis) are more in line with scriptural thought

Eternal damnation was imported from Greek mythology and adopted by the Catholic Church of old and they used it as a tool of manipulation, intimidation and control, selling indulgences etc.

The Protestants took it along with them when they left the Catholic Church and that’s how we got here. And it’s still being used as a tool for manipulation, intimidation and control by the Protestants
What do you have to say about Matthew 25:41 where Jesus said, 'depart from me into THE EVERLASTING FIRE'.

What do you have to say about the rich man and lazarus story? (see Luke 16:19-31). Mind you, this wasn't a parable o. It is a real-life story.

Luke 16:22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'


You were wrong to say that the Bible got the concept of hell from dante's inferno. The concept of hell has been in the scriptures since the old testament.

Hell is a place of eternal punishment and all sinners will go there.

You were right to say that God doesn't deal with angels and men alike. But guess what? God does deal with all sinners alike and hell is a place for sinners whether or not they are angels or men as long as they are sinners they belong there.

Check out this post for clarity https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 4:47pm On Sep 06, 2021
LordReed:
How can we know the god is good aside from unseen and untestable things like eternal life, heaven and hell?
I still don't understand your question
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 10:23pm On Sep 05, 2021
LordReed:
How can we establish that aside from things that can't be seen or experienced?
Clarify your question.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 9:53pm On Sep 05, 2021
LordReed:
Since I don’t believe the god exists the answer is not straightforward. What it would seem is if a god exists that is orchestrating everything then yes that god is not good as we generally tend to think when we hear the word, the god would be better described as being totally amoral. The god would seem to lack any concern about how any of its aims are achieved even at the cost of so much suffering that should you ever be in the position to absorb 10% of the anguish you’d be sure to go insane, yet such a god continues to sit by absorbing untold amounts of suffering without a pip. Or maybe the god has already run mad hence the silence.
God is Good. In His Goodness He offers eternal life to all.

In His Goodness He has revealed Himself to all so no one can say they never knew that He existed.

You have to understand that hell was never in God's original plan.

His original plan was to have all His creations in paradise for all eternity.

But His creations rebelled against Him, and in His Judgement He condemned the sinners.

God is Holy and Good.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 9:46pm On Sep 05, 2021
obonujoker:
How can a Christian go to hell?? If you go a hell, then you are not a Christian. My pastor (Spiritual Father) will say a Christian is not a sinner, and a sinner is not a Christian
Jesus told a parable about a man who sowed wheat and while he slept his enemy sowed tares. The sower in this parable is the Lord Himself, the enemy is the devil, the wheat are the true believers, the tares are the false believers.

First of all you need to understand that there are two types of Christians according to the Bible.

A practicing Christian and a professing Christian.

A practicing Christian is a Christian who has repented of their sins, turned to God fully and walks in full and total obedience to Him. He is guided by the Spirit (see Rom 8:5, Rom 8:14)

A professing Christian is one who does believe but by their actions deny the Lord Himself. (see Titus 1:16). And if we deny the Lord, He will deny us also. (see 2 Timothy 2:12). (see also Mat 7:21-23). [/i]The people Jesus was talking about were believers who, although they believed and did many mighty works in His Name, never repented of their sins. And these are the Christians that will go to hell. They are carnally minded [i](see Rom 8:6-cool. They live according to the flesh and if you live according to the flesh you'll die, i.e go to hell (see Rom 8:13)

Jesus said -

Mat 10:32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:44pm On Sep 05, 2021
FarinJini:
No I did not. That is what you believe. The question is, is rejecting the "sacrifice" a sin or not?
Rejecting the sacrifice is not a sin.. it is an act of freewill.. when the Gospel is presented to a person that person has the right to receive it or reject it
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:40pm On Sep 05, 2021
LordReed:
Any person who realises the horror of the concept will detest it. Thankfully I lost fear of it long before I stopped believing entirely. Some atheists still have trauma from thinking about it.
It is a bitter pill to swallow... but one must swallow it nonetheless.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

You statement above has me thinking that you believe God isn't Good for creating such a place.

Am i right to think so? Or am i wrong?
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:36pm On Sep 05, 2021
haddeylium:
You still didn't answer the question.

So, Exercising faith in Jesus is not necessary since everyone will have this everlasting life that Jesus promised some set only?
Either one of these is true
MaxInDHouse:
So what is the essence of Jesus' statement since everyone will have everlasting life? smiley
You don't understand. Everlasting life doesn't mean you'll live forever. Everybody will live forever. We are spirits and spirits don't die. As long as we are in our bodies we remain in this world, but when we leave our bodies we go to our eternal homes (heaven or hell). See Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8. The rich man and lazarus both lived forever but in different places. And the apostle Paul talked about leaving his earthly home (physical body) and going to his heavenly home.

Jesus saying those who believe in Him will have everlasting life simply means that they will enter into fellowship with God and know God forever unlike those who don't believe in Him who will forever be out of fellowship with God.

Jesus said eternal life is to know God (see John 17:3).

Going by your logic one might think that the opposite of eternal life is eternal death (ceasing to exist) but that's not according to scripture. According to scripture, the opposite of eternal life is condemnation, which is the default state of all unbelievers. And condemnation doesn't mean you cease to exist when you die, but rather you still exist but in a state in which you're out of fellowship with God.

When a person dies their spirits leave their bodies (see James 2:26, Ecclesiastes 12:7) and go to their eternal homes (see Luke 16:19-31).
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 11:08am On Sep 05, 2021
haddeylium:
Good.

Jesus said the reward for people that exercise faith in him is 'Everlasting life'/Immortality.
But you writeup contradict his word by saying bad people too will have everlasting life
Everlasting life doesn't mean only believers will live forever because every body will live forever (spirits don't die) as we are all spirits.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 10:22am On Sep 05, 2021
haddeylium:
@Hismasterpiece

If bad people are going to be in this Hellfire forever, didn't that contradict Jesus statement that eternal life is for people that exercise faith in him?
I don't understand your question. Please clarify
Christianity EtcRe: A Very False Christian Belief About The Afterlife. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:31pm On Sep 04, 2021
HellVictorinho:
No God can exist
Why dost thou say so?
Christianity EtcRe: A Very False Christian Belief About The Afterlife. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:25pm On Sep 04, 2021
Barristter07:
How did Jesus die when the real person don't die ?

Are you confused ?

Is it Jesus that died or ordinary body that house him ?
What do you believe happened?
Christianity EtcRe: A Very False Christian Belief About The Afterlife. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:24pm On Sep 04, 2021
LordReed:
I stopped believing in the only god I thought existed, a benevolent, all powerful, all knowing, always present god. As I went along exploring more, I saw that it extended to the entire concept of theism. I still do hold out for the possibility that gods exist since the universe is vaster than we know however I don't think any concept of god humans currently have matches realty.
So you think the God all religions talk about is false and the real God can't be known?
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:22pm On Sep 04, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The saviour's words shows that many like you have been deceived {Matthew 24:11} the group name Christian has been defamed and the true God now call His own people by a new group name! Isaiah 65:15

So it's you who needs to think deeply about the slippery ground upon which you're walking! Psalms 73:18 smiley
Lol... max max
Christianity EtcRe: Questions About Hell. by Hismasterpiece(op): 8:21pm On Sep 04, 2021
LordReed:
Sending people to eternal torment is akin to killing a child because they stole a sweet. Justice would be to punish the child and try to teach them not to do it again. It would be a perversion of justice to kill the child. An eternal punishment for finite crime is similarly a perversion of justice.
To be honest i don't entirely like the doctrine of hell..

I honestly wish there wasn't any such place..

But looking at your comment all i can do is revert back what is written in Isaiah -

Isa 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.


I don't disagree with your logic.. but neither do i disagree with God's even if i don't completely understand it.. i just remember this scripture and take it as my answer..

I don't entirely understand why hell is so scary... but the truth is i can't entirely understand... there are some things that God doesn't answer that i just have to trust Him on..

We can't completely figure out God all the time.. sometimes we just have to trust Him even when we don't understand..

I'm just grateful that thanks to Jesus i never will experience that scary place, but instead i will have the privilege of being ushered into the very presence of God when i leave this world.

And you can enjoy that privilege too if you put your faith in Jesus
Science/TechnologyRe: Kenya: EIGHT Lions Tackle Buffalo In Savage Attack (Pictures) by Hismasterpiece(m): 6:20pm On Sep 04, 2021
SUCKCESSFUL:
I'm impressed with how you are always able to connect every life event with Christ.

If I can't do it myself, I will be supporting you with likes and shares.

Don't mind people criticizing you, kingdom advancement should be every Christian's business.
Amen to that!!

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