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LordReed:
How can a person's spirit be banished from the presence of the god if the god is everywhere? Also in the story Adam and Eve can still hear and converse with the god so how were they able to do that if they were banished from the presence of god? Another story says Cain killed his brother and still had a conversation with the god, how was he able to do that if he was banished from the presence of god?

Hezzyluv:
Lol...

illicit:
Sometimes I cook meat alone and eat....

TheCalculator:
Stopped long ago, eat anytime I feel like, most times first, depending in quantity

MaxInDHouse:
They often make mockery of God's word with their ignorance and arrogance. Instead of humbly learning from those who knows better than them they feel everyone could just pick up the book (Bible) and gain the accurate knowledge thereof.

Of course there is spiritual death but it simply means the death of a Bible trained conscience, it has nothing to do with the gibberish they're spewing.

Adam became spiritually dead even before eating the forbidden fruit because he had to kill his godly trained conscience to join Eve in doing what God commaded them not to do.
Note that the order not to eat the forbidden fruit was primarily given to Adam before he passed on the information to Eve. So for him to have agreed to eating the fruit is a sign of spiritual DEATH!

The death God actually meant at Genesis chapter 2:17 is a physical one, Adam will die the day he eat that fruit. Before then time was unspecified because they don't have to grow old or die, but from the moment they ate that fruit the countdown began nobody both Adam, Eve nor any of their descendants ever lived up to one day after they ate from that fruit! 2Peter 3:8

In the Christian congregation we often refer to someone who decided to stop living by God's standard as spiritually dead person even though he's still walking up and down but to us such a person is DEAD {Matthew 8:22} so each time anyone began taking in the accurate knowledge of God's word, dedicate his life and symbolized it by water baptism we accept such a person as living forever because even he should die his name is already written in the book of life so Jesus will surely resurrected him! John 11:25-26

But as for Adam and Eve they're dead forever!

Barristter07:
" And Manoah arose and went after his wife and came to the man and said to him, “Are you the man who spoke to this woman?” And he said, “I am.” " Judges 13:11

Is the angel God Almighty for claiming I AM ?


Secondly you haven't said anything about Daniel being worshipped and if it means he is God Almighty.

Barristter07:
Daniel was worshipped according to the same translation you cherish,Daniel 2:46. Is that a wrong translation?

Am sure you didn't read a thing, if you do you would have saw that the only point of my quoting you was to point out that True worshippers worship the Father. John 4:23

Not Father and son. So which means all translation that use worship for people postrating to Jesus are misled, they should have done the same thing they did to others by using something else aside worship.




An Angel identify himself as "I am" too. He must be God Almighty right ?

LordReed:
I hear Christians use the term spiritual dead or death a lot but I haven’t gotten a decent explanation yet. If someone’s spirit is dead then how is the person still alive if humans are spirits? How is a spiritually dead persons spirit moving about after physical death, isn’t the spirit dead?

MaxInDHouse:
You can learn the truth only when you're open minded but when you've gotten some preconceived thought/opinion then no matter what you see you'll continue to support your opinion!

All what you quoted are the works of trinitarians who misinterpreted God's word, the word they translated into WORSHIP means HONOUR or OBEISANCE just as King Nebuchadnezzar did before Daniel! Daniel 2:46

Of course what the King did there should be called WORSHIP because apart from bowing before Daniel the King offered presents and INCENSE to Daniel!

Now ask yourself is Daniel Jehovah?
Did Jehovah asked anyone to worship Daniel?

People often honour anyone through whom God performs supernatural signs that's exactly what those people did before Jesus.
But God Himself said from heaven:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5b

Note that JEHOVAH didn't say "worship him" rather what He said was "listen to him" and since Jesus himself has spoken saying his father is the one to be worshiped whoever think that worshiping Jesus will earn them a favour are threading on the part of destruction! Matthew 15:9

Barristter07:
Daniel was worshipped too, I guess he is God .

" Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him. " - Daniel 2:46 King James Bible


The same Greek word was applied to other humans but worship wasn't used, it was translated differently , why ?

That answer will tell you why what you quote above is a wrong translation. And if you say Daniel 2:46 quoted above is wrong, say why

Barristter07:
Honor not worship. Are you guys ignorant of English language ?

MaxInDHouse:
Let everyone honour the representative sent by the President because whoever dishonour the representative surely dishonour the one who sent him.

Does the above makes any sense to you?

God said whoever touches His servant is like touching His eyeballs {Zechariah 2:8} so do you think God's prophets are literally God's eyeballs?

Well if you must know what you quoted simply means whoever dishonour God's servants dishonour God Himself who sent them!


I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Compare to what Jesus said here: John 17

“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word" :6

"because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me" :8

"I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them" :26

Jesus told us that Jehovah is his own father and our father, his God and our God {John 20:17} so we must honour God's servants as God's representatives but WORSHIP belongs only to JEHOVAH! Mark 12:29

Janosky:
Bros, Why do you repeat your question I have responded to?
1.
According to Genesis, what did God create Last?
Who were the eye Witnesses of the last Creature?
Job 38:4-7..
Bros,study diligently and receive SENSE.

2[i].
@ Acts 13:2. 8:29. 10:19, Luke reported what God's finger inspired him to write.
In your Bible,everything attributed to holy spirit was reported by someone else.
Bros,Why?[/i]

You dodge the question I asked you earlier.
I ask you again:
Exodus 33:15-20, Jehovah had a one on one conversation with Moses.
Matthew 16:13-17, Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter.
Bros, who is the person, chapter & verse of any one on one conversation/chat with holy spirit?
Make we see am. Give the proof.

Your phone speaks,is it a person?
Your TV speaks,is it a person?
Your Radio speaks,is it a person?



Romans 8:16,26 KJV says "spirit itself".
It is the same SENSE we understand John 16:13-15.
Every Greek student knows that spirit (Greek pneuma ) has no gender.
For this reason, your KJV says "spirit itself" @Romans8:16,26.
Greek words for "Guide/Helper/Advocate" is Masculine gender, that is why John 16:13-15, personified spirit as "him/he."
Go ahead and confirm oooo

MaxInDHouse:
God never ask us to worship any of His servants but we must honour them as His representatives!

MaxInDHouse:
If you know the truth there's no need asking me to confirm what you already know, just go out there and make the best use of it.

The world is watching.

Jesus said: "By their fruits you will know them" {Matthew 7:16} go now and exhibit the truth so that the world may see and glorify your God! Matthew 5:13-16

FreeIgboho:
Exactly!! Now you are getting some education! I don't know anything FOR SURE including if I really won this argument. But from all preponderance of evidence I PROBABLY did (assuming I've been arguing with real people)

Bishopkingsley:
He will quote Bible that does not have meaning to what the topic is about because he does not know what that verse says

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-29 is unrelated to Luke 7:34-25.

Luke 7:34-35 study your Bible and stop DECEIVING yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
Just be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7-8

MaxInDHouse:
Just be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7-8

LordReed:
This is still incomprehensible and disjointed to say the god loves but is willing to standby by while billions of people suffer over the course of thousands of years but he is waiting for some undetermined day to right all wrong. Meanwhile people continue to suffer and die under horrible circumstances and the god with the power to do something is just watching silently. It makes more sense when you realise there isn't any such god.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship your TRINITY!
But if you're truly interested in knowing what i have in mind then you have to be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7-8

LordReed:
The only 1 of these that we can agree is a fact is someone called Jesus was crucified by Roman authorities, I don't agree he did it for humanity or to grant forgiveness. You are going have to establish these as facts before you can say that they are facts.

freshboi88:
Oh so now wisdom is not a person ....but wisdom becomes a person in proverbs 8 abi...continue lying

LordReed:
Give me 5 examples.

Near1:
Historian Flavius Josephus, wrote one of the earliest non-biblical accounts of Jesus.

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who according to Ehrman “is far and away our best source of information about first-century Palestine,” twice mentions Jesus in Jewish Antiquities , his massive 20-volume history of the Jewish people that was written around 93 A.D.

Thought to have been born a few years after the crucifixion of Jesus around 37 A.D., Josephus was a well-connected aristocrat and military leader in Palestine who served as a commander in Galilee during the first Jewish Revolt against Rome between 66 and 70 A.D. Although Josephus was not a follower of Jesus, “he was around when the early church was getting started, so he knew people who had seen and heard Jesus,” Mykytiuk says.

In one passage of Jewish Antiquities that recounts an unlawful execution, Josephus identifies the victim, James, as the “brother of Jesus-who-is-called-Messiah.” While few scholars doubt the short account’s authenticity, says Mykytiuk, more debate surrounds Josephus’s lengthier passage about Jesus, known as the “Testimonium Flavianum,” which describes a man “who did surprising deeds” and was condemned to be crucified by Pilate. Mykytiuk agrees with most scholars that Christian scribes modified portions of the passage but did not insert it wholesale into the text.

Another account of Jesus appears in [ Annals of Imperial Rome ], a first-century history of the written around 116 A.D. by the Roman senator and historian Tacitus. In chronicling the [burning of Rome in 64 A.D., Tacitus mentions that [Emperor Nero falsely blamed “the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.”

As a Roman historian, Tacitus did not have any Christian biases in his discussion of the persecution of Christians by Nero, says Ehrman. “Just about everything he says coincides—from a completely different point of view, by a Roman author disdainful of Christians and their superstition—with what the New Testament itself says: Jesus was executed by the governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, for crimes against the state, and a religious movement of his followers sprang up in his wake.”

“When Tacitus wrote history, if he considered the information not entirely reliable, he normally wrote some indication of that for his readers,” Mykytiuk says in vouching for the historical value of the passage. “There is no such indication of potential error in the passage that mentions Christus.”
https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence

Based on the independent mention of Jesus’ trial and execution, I believe Jesus existed. This, in no way, proves the Biblical account of Jesus being the son of God via “immaculate conception” or performing miracles. It merely suggest he existed and was a preacher who was convicted of blasphemy and crucified. A common practice in those days and still today. Although today they just behead you with a machete.


Since we started this discussion, you’ve never established what you think a fact is, how you determine factuality. History is always a probability. Show me how you calculated this, based on what. On second thought, don’t bother me. Look up your facts, then look up the scholarly consensus on each one. Not some general statement from a bishop, the actual data behind the conclusion.

EDIT: After further digging, I've stumbled accross some online resources that state that Josephus’ account was doctored to support the idea that Jesus was historical when he was not. See here, here and here. There are more sources, but some are not even in English. If you really need more to show that this was a false account and added later by Christians I can show you that too, but all one needs to do is pick up a college textbook to find that the Testimonium Flavianum is a falsified by Christians. Other languages do not have this quotation as it appears to English speakers.

So basically, the best historical record of Jesus was written 60 years after the Bible says he died, is controversial, and doesn’t comment on his divinity.

LordReed:
6 million jews killed in WW2.
Islamic terrorists killing in the name of the Abrahamic god.
Christian pastors and priests taking advantage of their congregations.

To all of this the heavens are completely silent. No god booming out to deliver any sort of proclamation condemning any of these actions which is the least a god as powerful and righteous as the Abrahamic god is said to be should do but absolutely nothing happened/happens.

Jashub:
Make I see how dem go rush this thread

Janosky:
A helicopter hovers overs over the face of the ocean, is the helicopter a person?
Aircraft was hovering over the airport, is the aircraft a person or a bird?
The finger of God was hovering over the face of the waters,is the finger of God a person ?
Compare Psalms 33:6

Look carefully at the screenshot, do you observe there is no definite article "THE" before "spirit" in Hebrew lexicon?

Bros, Hebrew ruach "spirit" is NOT a person.
English Bible translators added "THE" for their own whim and Caprice [/b]

MaxInDHouse:
Just be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7-8
Meanwhile go and continue worshiping your God with your fellow believers, JWs are perfectly OK!

Janosky:
Job 38:1-7 & Genesis 1:26, JEHOVAH God spoke to the heavenly assembly of angels and morning stars,all spirits present at the Creation of man, the last work JEHOVAH did before He rested.
Hebrews 1:2, JEHOVAH made the universe through his first born Son, Jesus Christ, called "Wisdom/Craftsman" working at his Father's side.
@1 Corinthians1:24 & Proverbs 8:22-29.


Is your finger a person?
Luke 11:20 , Matthew 12:28, Exodus 8:19, holy spirit is God's finger.
The hand of JEHOVAH God, Ezekiel 37:1, 1:3.Psalms 11:4, God's eyes observe men,Do you agree that God's eyes, ears are persons?.

Janosky:
This is the ONLY Truth in your post.
The others are GIBBERISH misrepresenting the Bible based TEACHINGS of Jehovah's Servants.

Polytheist,Worshipper of 3 Gods pretending he is a Christian.

Bishopkingsley:
You don't have two God when you understand that the father the son the holy spirit are one just like you are a body soul spirit