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ochibuogwu5:
Please what do you mean that someone who has received the new life released upon the Cross by Jesus Christ Crucified and still sin as well as God is not mad at such a person in line with this passage were Jesus Christ was addressing those who have believed in him ?

John 8:31 Then said *Jesus to those Jews which believed on him*, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 8:34 Jesus answered them, *Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin*. 8:35 *And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.* 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

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"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin." (John 15:22)

Okay, can you tell me now ehn, that ever since you believed in Jesus and made Him Lord over you, you haven't sinned?

When they came to arrest Jesus and one of His disciples cut off a person's ear, wasn't that sin?

When Peter denied Jesus thrice wasn't that sin? When Jesus resurrected and met with him did he even mention what he did? No. He invited him to have breakfast with Himself.

When Abraham lied about his wife being his sister to prevent other men from taking her, wasn't that sin? But what does the scripture say about Abraham, 'he believed God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness'. Abraham wasn't a holy man. He committed fornication with his wife's handmaid, but was God angry with him? Or did God revoke his promises to him?

God is angry at sin. But He can never be angry at the sinner, because His wrath for the sins of the world has been fully borne by Jesus on the cross. God is not relating with you because you live a holy life, but you live a holy life because it is in your nature to be holy, and you are righteous by believing in the one who justifies the ungodly.

LordReed:
The facts do not point to a creator, they point to physical forces interacting.

And who, pray tell, created these physical forces, or caused them to interact?

hakeem4:
Any evidence for the so called designer? or it is just too hard for you to comprehend how the universe can come from natural process?

Okay, who initiated the natural process. Remember the law of causality?

What evidence is there of the designer of mobile phones? Do you need evidence before you know that someone smarter than it designed it?

hakeem4:
Any evidence for the so called designer? or it is just too hard for you to comprehend how the universe can come from natural process?

stop using this type of argument in 2019, it makes you look ridiculous. This type of argument have been refuted almost 2 centuries ago, and yoou are still bringing this type of argument in the 21st century

And what argument might that be?

Theophinio:
Exactly brother
Avoid preachings that make you comfortable in your sinful acts, by claiming we are under Grace
BE WISE

Being under Grace doesn't give us the license to sin. The same way, living holy doesn't earn us Righteousness. The only Righteousness that counts before God is His Righteousness which is imputed to all who Believe in the Lord Jesus.

The Grace message, if you understand it properly, is not encouraging people to live in sin, because anyone that preaches the Grace message must reach Romans chapter 6, where Apostle Paul, after preaching about the Grace of God which works alongside Faith in Jesus, gave a reason why we don't sin if we are under Grace and that reason is that we are dead to sin, and alive to God, that is, it is no longer in our nature to sin, but we now have God's holy nature.

But hey, being dead to sin only applies to your Spirit. Your current fallen body in this fallen world is incorrigible, that is, it will never change, as it is only natural for it to have sinful desires.

There is no condemnation to anyone who is in Christ Jesus (Rom8:1). God has forever judged the sins of the entire world in the body of Jesus the Messiah and the result of that is forgiveness of sins which is now available to the whole world, that is, all who believe and receive it.

The Grace message teaches that God is not mad at you when you sin, but sin doesn't affect your relationship with God, at least from His perspective. But it can affect how you relate with God, if you don't understand that God is not condemning you, and that living holy doesn't earn you righteousness from God.

If you think that you have to live a holy life to be worthy of God, then you don't understand the Good News of Jesus. If God gave you salvation as a sinner by Grace through Faith in what Jesus did on your behalf, why do you feel that you must live holy to remain accepted before God?

If you see yourself as a sinner, you'll constantly feel unworthy before God, and keep living in sin. But God doesn't see you as a sinner. (2 Cor 5:17).

He understands that as long as we are in this fallen world sinning is inevitable. We will always fall short as believers in this world.

The key to living a life above sin is renewing your mind according to God's Word and knowing that you are not a sinner. You living Righteous as a believer shouldn't have anything to do with earning things from God, but because it is who you are in Jesus. That is the Grace message.

The Christian life is lived from inside out, that is, your spiritual nature finding expression by the power of the Holy Spirit, in your everyday life.

If you understand the message of Grace, you wouldn't feel comfortable sinning because God is condemning you or is angry at you, but because it is not in your natureto do so.

Grace is not a license to sin.

LordReed:
We know what things are made because we have observed them being made. Where have you observed a god making anything? You merely conjecture the things you can't explain as being the work of your favourite flavour of god which of course leads us to all the many flavours of god now and through the ages. How do we know that your god flavour is the true flavour?

Bro you've completely missed my point. My point is that all facts about things of this world point to a Creator.

Nothing exists without being created. And whatever Creates is far greater in every way than whatever is Created and whatever is Created has innate characteristics of its Creator.

Meaning, that if we humans are as awesome as we are to do all the things that we do, surely we got that characteristic from our Creator who is above us in every way. Looking and carefully observing human beings, you'll find that we are mighty creatures indeed.

If we are mighty enough to build airplanes, skyscrapers, invent drugs that cure numerous ailments then surely, the one who Created us is way Mightier than we are.

Guy there is a Creator. You yourself know it but are too 'SMART' in your own eyes too admit it.

LordReed:
We know what things are made because we have observed them being made. Where have you observed a god making anything? You merely conjecture the things you can't explain as being the work of your favourite flavour of god which of course leads us to all the many flavours of god now and through the ages. How do we know that your god flavour is the true flavour?

Bro you've completely missed my point. My point is that all facts about things of this world point to a Creator.

Nothing exists without being created. And whatever Creates is far greater in every way than whatever is Created and whatever is Created has innate characteristics of its Creator.

Meaning, that if we humans are as awesome as we are to do all the things that we do, surely we got that characteristic from our Creator who is above us in every way. Looking and carefully observing human beings, you'll find that we are mighty creatures indeed.

Guy there is a Creator. You yourself know it but are too 'SMART' in your own eyes too admit it.

CAPSLOCKED:
YOUR BIBLE IS JUST ONE BOOK OUT OF MANY OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOKS.

RELIGIOUS BOOKS ARE USELESS. SOME PEOPLE TAKE THEM FOR HISTORY BOOKS BUT THESE BOOKS HAVE BEEN GROSSLY EDITED AND MESSED UP. THEY SERVE HUMANITY NO PURPOSE. THEY SOLVE NOT A SINGLE PROBLEM. THEY'RE VERY USELESS IN FACT EXCEPT TO THE CROOKS WHO MILK BELIEVERS AT RELIGIOUS GATHERINGS.

ONE OF THESE VERY USELESS BOOKS CALL PEOPLE WHO DARE QUESTION AND STAND STAND AGAINST IT "FOOLS" AND YOU'RE ROOTING FOR IT?
SHOWS WHO THE REAL FOOLS ARE.

The Bible is no religious book. The Bible is God's Word period. Countless people have experienced God through reading and applying His Word.

Preachers aren't the only people who use Bibles. As a matter of fact, every truth believer in Jesus the Messiah reads and apply the truth of God's Word in their everyday lives.

Atheists believe that there is no God, that is, there is no Creator.

This is very untrue in fact, because, upon careful observation, I find that all things are a product of intention, design, and purpose.

Tell me, is it a coincidence that the earth we live in, is the only inhabitable planet in the galaxy?

Tell me, since you have been born, have you ever seen anything that created itself or brought itself into existence?

According to the law of Causality, or cause & effect, everything that occurs (effect) is as a result of something else that occurred (cause) prior to it, and is also dependent on that said thing.

The first car built was done so by Carl Benz. It is obvious that first, Carl Benz thought up the idea for a car, drew up the design for it, created it for a purpose, and with intention.

If cars, chairs, buildings, laptops, and other equipments don't create themselves, why can't the same be said of we humans?

The person who created the car is superior to it in every way, and so is the Person that Created us.

The person who created the car did so for a purpose, and so did the person who created us.

In conclusion, I strongly disbelieve the argument that there is no Creator.

A more reasonable argument, however, will be, who is He? Allah? Buddha? Dalai Lama? Ogun? Obatala? Hari Krishna? Yaweh? What does He want from us? Does He want to be known? Can he be known? Is He even a He? How do we reach Him? Why does He seem so distant?