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lordnicklaus:
Of course, such is based on conviction and not because of threats of an eternal infernal confine. The people in such gatherings have seen a reason to believe without being blood curdled to follow Christ. But people who go to church for fear of hell have only proven that fear sometimes keep people at bay.

I was just trying to show you that its not only hell fire that drives people into church as you earlier said. And here you ve admitted

introvertme:
Well actually my church doesn't,I've been called an atheist multiple times.
Quite annoying,

please educate yourselves read the article below

http://mountaingks.org/weekly%20sermon%20vol%201/WHAT%20IS%20HELL.php

You are deceiving yourself. Lake of fire is real. Don't allow your church to deceive you.

freecocoa:
What sort of fuvckery is this one biko?


Like if God was real, he would actually need your money? Someone who supposedly created something as magnificent as the whole world, abi na him suppose give person money sef, mschew.

You can claim that God is not real now but at the end of the day you will find out that you have deceived yourself all these years and by then it would ve been too late for you to make amends.
I pray you quit deceiving yourself that God is not real.

lordnicklaus:
The idea of hell has only scared people into the Church. It is quite effective than the promised bliss in heaven.

Nope. There are denominations that don't believe in eternal torment and they have population. There are other religion that dont preach hell yet they have population.

seunmsg:
That should be my concern and not yours.

Yea and i am not even compelling you to believe.

HomoSapiien:
so how do you expect Christianity to gain converts when there is no idea of HELL?

Christianity would have gain more if we told you only about heaven, but we cant do that. We are telling you about heaven and hell without minding that hell will scare you out.

lordnicklaus:
And you see the rotten demeaning teaching of eternal incineration as right?

Even if you see it as wrong it doesnt change anything. The reality of heaven and hell is what all of us will face when we exit this world. Do i have dollar or pound to gain by telling you that heaven and hell are real? Nope.

mrmrmister:
[size=13pt]As kids , they used to tell us that when we die and make Heaven, we have mansions in heaven.
The mansions are built according to what (the offerings) we give to God on earth.
Infact I was even told that Lazarus the beggar is currently squatting with Abraham in heaven because he never gave offerings.


So my question is,
Do your Pastors ( who spend the offerings here on earth ) have mansions in heaven??

Another question
Why do they (pastors) tell you not to worry about worldly things, but instead enjoy your reward in heaven while they keep buying private jets??
What is a Pastor's reward in Heaven??


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Its really pathetic. For me i cant stay in any church that does this. There are some churches that are not like that anyway. People should rather change to those churches. No pastor can tell me how i will spend my money. If you like preach from morning till night, i will put my money in any church i find in need of it, not only where i worship. For some months now i ve not put my money in the church i worship, i ve been given to other churches, especially the up coming ones to give them support. Not that my church fall under the the category you mentioned but considering the fact that my monthly tithe/offering is quite reasonable and can be of good support to the up coming churches thats why i give to them. We should be wise.

johnydon22:
Pastors/MOGs/Daddy GO's keep telling the poor to forget the things of the world and make the heavenly riches, pay tithes and have a heavenly account accessible when you die, but they themselves stark huge amount of money right here on earth, big houses and cars and jets - isn't time the poor asked themselves "Do they really believe what they preach?"

I agree with this.

seunmsg:
Too bad your God is a mai Suya who intends to roast people for eternity. I don't serve that kinda God. Enjoy your imaginary heaven and leave me with the fiery tale hellcrap.

Today it is imaginary to you but when the time comes you will discover that you fooled yourself all this while thinking its imaginary. By then it would ve been too late for you.

raphieMontella:
do bad,,in the end of your days...believe and enter heaven...
Do good to all humanity...disbelieve and burn..
Cool...

How do you know the end of your days for you to believe and enter heaven? You just want to noise.

Ranchhoddas:
I have been desensitized. There was a time when this comment of yours would have increased my heart-rate. What has happened to me?

Do i care how you feel about it? Nope, If you go to hell does it add more money into my bank account and if you make heaven does it add to my bank account? No. So why do i spend time to tell people reading this message that hell fire is real? I didnt invite you to my church, I'm not even a pastor so nothing to benefit if you believe or if you dont believe. (God forbid) if i come tomorrow and tell you that there is no hell fire it still wont change the truth that there is hell fire and that its eternal. I have just stated the truth for sincere readers.

neduboy17:
I know it sounds strange but i have been thinking of it recently, lets say a woman wants to get an abortion, couldn't God audibly tell her that it is sinful and not to get it done? I get that free will is why we are able to... but surely it wouldn't be taking away free will for God to simply say not to do something. One could still choose to reject God's command. What do you think?

Source: http://www.changeasoul.org/index.php?topic=259.0

Have you kept all the laws of Nigeria
Have you kept all the instructions that your parents, aunt, relations gave you?
Have you kept all the rules in your school?
have you kept all the rules in your place of work?
have you kept all the traffic rules?


Since you have not been able to keep the laws of man, why do you want me to believe that people will keep God's laws if he was talking audibly to us?

MrDavidson:
If Mr Femi thinks the parable of rich man and Lazarus shouldn't be taken literally, what does he think of the book of Revelation where it was clearly stated times without number, about the fact of the everlasting nature of Hell?

His opinion about the way and manner God chose to mete out judgement - cannot change the mind of God. God is not just a God of mercy and great love, He's also a God who is very concerned about justice. And because He created us in His image, we share that quality too.
A year or two ago, a US judge sentenced a rapist to 1000 years of imprisonment. That was how the judge was convinced justice could be clearly seen to be done.
Let's come home to Nigeria.... There's a probability that you have at least one time been disappointed on the slow pace of govt's pursuit of fighting corruption and then commented, "How many corrupt politicians have they jailed since all these brouhaha of fighting corruption?" You're so eager to see justice done, not because you derive any joy from people being jailed.
That's God's nature in you showing forth.

No matter how people castigate it, the Word of God say it so clearly and that's what every Christian should believe.

Thank you my brother. We will continue to say the truth whether they like it or not.

Ranchhoddas:
These guys are funny.

Yea. Today we sound funny to you but when you exit this world you will know that we are not funny. By then it would been too late for you. I am not trying to convince you or anybody, when the time comes you will see how wrong you are.

seunmsg:
Same scaremongering tactics that is not working. The hellfire crap doesn't scare anybody again, try something else.

Do i care whether it scares you or not. At the end of the day you will discover that you have made the greatest and irreversible mistake of your life by lying to yourself that there is no lake of fire.

Ranchhoddas:
The haters have arrived. Hi hater!

Hating you or anybody won't add anything to my account balance so i dont hate people.

Deicide:
Yahweh Just Loves the smell. Of Suya!

Must you exhibit your foolishness all the time,?.
Does suya burn forever?

FunkyMetahuman:
On my way to work this morning,
a woman flagged me down and begged for a lift, I had a friend in the car I picked earlier.

Well, since we're going in the same direction with the woman, i decided to pick her up. I think she should be in her early 30 and she looked like an educated person.

She sat at the back, and i started having a conversation with my friend and suddenly this woman butted in. She asked if I will be available on Saturday evening that she wants to invite me to her church for a program (directing the question to me). I said nope, Saturday evenings are me time, to have a good beer and watch weekend football.

Na so preaching start o. I no know say beer and football are bad things. (She said football is the new god that people worship)
Okay! after like 6mimutes of boring preaching and threatening me with hell.
She asked which church I attend? I said nope I'm not a Christian. She was a bit disappointed and automatically assumed I'm a Muslim. then she said well, we worship the same god.. She said that with the hope that she could convert or at least force me to come to her church program.
I said nope I'm not a Muslim either. (I could see the big disappointment on her face right now from the center mirror )
She then said what are you then? I'm sure the answer running through her mind at that moment would be that I'm either an idol worshipper or something related to that.
I said I'm an irreligious.
She said irreligious ke? In Nigeria? or just a back slider?
I said nope.. In fact, I don't believe in god.

Chai! come see how this woman screamed ehnnnnnnn like she saw a ghost or a serial killer or something like that.

Next thing, she started shouting park! park! park, park, opening my car door on motion.
I have never seen anything like that in my life.
She just jumped out of the car and started running like a mad woman.
I didn't even park well, and I could see the look on the few people around faces like I just did something awful to the woman.
Like I pointed a gun at her head or robbed her.
I had to quickly zoom off before those people start getting a wrong idea from the scene caused by the crazy woman and probably subject me to jungle justice

My friend and I busted into one serious laughter afterwards.

But seriously, it wasn't funny at all. Atheist should be more outspoken at least to downsize the number of over brainwashed intolerant people like her who probably thought she did the right thing by staying away from a devil like me as quickly as possible.

Big lies.

seunmsg:
When some Samaritans refused to allow Jesus free passage to Jerusalem, the Zebedee brothers asked him to call down fire from heaven on them, just as Elijah did. But Jesus rebuked them strongly. He said to them: “You do not know of what spirit you are.” (Luke 9:55).

In the same manner, most Christians today don’t seem to know of what spirit they are. As a result, they buy the lie, long promoted by those inclined to scare people into churches in order to get their money; that God is going to burn sinners in a fiery furnace for eternity.

This is preposterous. “God is love.” (1 John 4:. He is not hate. “His anger is but for a moment, his favour is for life.” (Psalm 30:5). “Though he causes grief, yet he will show compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. For he does not afflict willingly, nor grieve the children of men.” (Lamentations 3:31-33). “He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor punished us according to our iniquities.” (Psalm 103:9-10).

We are told 41 times in scripture: “(God’s) mercy endures forever.” (Psalm 136:1). Nevertheless, some Christians are so racked with evil and hate, they fail to realise there is a fundamental contradiction between a God whose mercy endures forever, and one who would burn sinners in a fiery furnace not for an hour, or a day, but for eternity.

Parables Are Allegorical

One of the scriptures used to justify this denigration of God’s character is Jesus’ story of Lazarus and the rich man. There, Jesus talks about a rich man who lived sumptuously, not caring for the poor, but ended up in a place of burning in the grave. He then juxtaposed this with Lazarus, a man poor and downtrodden all his life who ended up in Abraham’s bosom in the grave.

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that this story is a parable. All Jesus’ stories are parables: “All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable he did not speak to them.” (Matthew 13:34). Parables are fiction; they are not real. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man comes as the last segment of a series of five parables Jesus presents sequentially in Luke 15 and 16, including that of the “Lost Sheep”; “Lost Coin”; “Lost Son”; and “Unjust Steward”.

Jesus’ parable is allegorical. There is no real place called Abraham’s bosom. Solomon says: “The dead do not know anything.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5). So how come the rich man recognises Abraham in the grave? If there is a great gulf fixed between heaven and hell, how can Abraham converse with the rich man in hell? If those in heaven can hear the agonies of their relations in hell, how can they enjoy heaven?



Jesus’ parable is issue-specific. It is an indictment of the Pharisees in particular, and the Jews in general. They are the rich of Jesus’ parable. They are rich because they have God. They are rich because they are the descendants of Abraham, who God blessed in all things. They are rich because they have “the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the Law, and the service of God, and the promises.” (Romans 9:4).

Because of this, they look down on the Gentiles, represented by Lazarus. Gentiles are the poor because they are: “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.” (Ephesians 2:12).

Lesson to the Jews

What the Jews failed to understand, however, is that in the kingdom of God, “the last shall be first, and the first last.” (Matthew 20:16). Jesus warns: “Many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven. But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8:11-12).

John the Baptist also warned the Israelites about reliance on their Abrahamic heritage: “Do not think to say within yourselves, we have Abraham as our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.” (Matthew 3:9). In Jesus’ parable, the chickens have come home to roost. Jesus’ story shows how and why the sons of Abraham lost their inheritance to the Gentiles.

Some say the fact that Jesus states the name of the poor man shows his story is real and not fiction. However, the opposite is the case. The name Lazarus is the Greek version of the Hebrew name Eliezer. Eliezer was Abraham’s servant in real life and Abraham was worried that if he remained childless, this Eliezer, a Gentile stranger, would be his heir. But now according to Jesus, it is this Gentile stranger that ends up in Abraham’s bosom, while the son of Abraham is cast into outer darkness.

This shows Jesus’ parable is not about the fictitious Christian hell but about the comeuppance of the supercilious Pharisees and Jews. Jesus’ rich man represents Judah. He has five brothers like Judah, who also had five brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar and Zebulon. (Genesis 35:23). When he pleaded with Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers, Abraham said to him: “If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded, even though one rose from the dead.” (Luke 16:31).

This is a veiled prophecy directed specifically at the Jews and not at Gentiles. Jews, not Gentiles, are those who were supposed to hear Moses but did not. Jews, not Gentiles, are those who were not persuaded when Jesus raised a real Lazarus of Bethany from the dead. Indeed, they wanted to kill him again thereafter. Jews, and not Gentiles, are those who were not persuaded when Jesus himself was raised from the dead.

Restitution of All Things

In short, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is not about the eternal damnation of sinners in hell and the end of the righteous in heaven. It is about the comeuppance of Israel and the Jews. Jesus never said Lazarus was righteous; he only said he was poor. Abraham’s bosom is not heaven. As John the Baptist explains, heaven is the bosom of God the Father. (John 1:18).

Both the rich man and Lazarus are in the grave; a temporal, and not everlasting, abode. According to Jesus, all will resurrect from the grave: “The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth – those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:28-29).



Jesus does not indicate how long the resurrection of condemnation will be. But it cannot be eternal because there will be a restitution of all things (Acts 3:21), when every knee will bow in worship to God. (Isaiah 45:23). The redeemed are merely the “first-fruits” of salvation. In the ages to come, God promises to rebuild the tabernacle of David: “so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord.” (Acts 15:16-17).





http://opinion.premiumtimesng.com/2016/10/02/god-will-not-burn-anyone-fiery-hell-eternity-femi-aribisala/

CC: lalasticlala.

Another false teaching from Femi. Believe him to your eternal detriment. Your eyes will clear when u find yourself in the lake of fire and discover that it's a place of eternal torment. It would have been late for u then.

Sermwell:
Before I stopped going to church, I was living with a very stingy religious uncle who gives me #500 or #1000 for offering every sunday! But the truth was that I have never given the money to church! I had always removed the money and submitted empty envelops!
Just this morning, our house was on "fire" just because I said I wasn't going to church again and in the course of the heated argument, I told them how I had never even paid offering even when the money was given to me!
My parents became mad at me and saying that if I don't go and beg for forgiveness and pay all those money, that the cancerworm and caterpillars will "chop" all the money me and my generation will ever make! Personally, I just believe all those things are trash but the way my dad was saying it convincingly and trying to quote the bible makes me want to ask if those curses are true for "chopping god's money"

Cc: lalasticlala
Cc: seun

What you did was fraud. You were given money for a specific purpose and you diverted it to your personal pocket. That's bad and whatever the owner of the money (your parents) pronounce on you will happen. If it is your own money, you can do whatever you like with it. Offerimg is not a must.

Buharimustdie20:
being happy in Christ can be likened to being drunk, a drunk person is certainly happier than a sober person

think about that

Nope. A drunk person is not happy. He is not in control of himself thats why he can fall into a gutter and swear that he is lying on his bed. Your analogy is wrong. If you call alcohol intoxication happiness then sorry for you. Dont let atheism push you into foolish analogy.

Its quite obvious that atheism is so empty and has nothing tangible to offer me. All i ve seen them present is just for me to stop believing God. Such a stupid thing to do. Nothing more to offer me than what i have achieved in Christ. I dont have time for such a stupid, senseless, idiotic and empty thing as atheism.

Thank God for this.

Foolish people.

reallest:
Dats good for you

Yea God is good.

Anas09:
A Christian (whether confused or not) who finds himself always taking side with ungosliness. Hmmm.

Don't mind that guy. He is confused. He is more an atheist than a Christian so don't waste your precious time on him. .

HardMirror:
Heaven is also imaginary

Heaven is imaginary to you and your cohorts but very real to us. Nothing makes you wiser than us. You atheists have a false sense of seeing yourselves as being more intelligent than us. You can continue to massage your no-god mantra with this false sense . We are not moved.

reallest:
Keep doing what u re good at,u re indeed Yahweh like

Yes i am for God (Yahweh) till eternity. A million atheists or even more cannot change my stand for God.

reallest:
@bold, typical Christian always resort to name calling when they find no more lie to defend their sky daddy

I already made my point before telling him to face his foolishness so i dont understand your rants here.

sekundosekundo:
Point of correction, I am not serving 'god' but God. For your question, it's not what I can tell you here. If you are truly a genuine seeker and not a fault finder let's hv a date. I am in Nigeria right now may visit China and Dubai middle of the Month. Thanks.

Dont waste your time on that fool. Did the other gods he is talking about make him their spokesperson?

Immorttal:
thank you mr sekundo for your kind gesture but can you please enlighten me why you think your god amongst the other 4000+ gods is the Almighty God. any prove would be appreciated.

You are an atheist so you have no business talking about God or other gods. Face your foolishness and leave christians alone. IF any of those who worship other gods feel that their god is superior then they can come so that we sort it out.