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TheSixthSense:
God bless you. Did you manage to read the whole story? I couldn't because of the several comments in between and it's not like he even helped either. Sad story, he mentioned encountering eerie manifestations afterwards and he still believes there are witches and the demonic but now claims there is no God deceiving new atheists that got tired of churchianity and giving more credence to the atheism fad. True, in many such churches, there is no god there, certainly not the same One of the bible. So those that are wise should take heed and seek God through His word. I only feel sorry for these other atheists that think it's 'rational' human behaviour to always look out for christian posts to attack God, christians and christianity.

...An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah...(Matt 12:29)

lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices (2 Cor 2:11)

Keep doing the good work.

No i ve not been able to go through his story because of time. They can only deceive the feeble minds. God will help us.

TheSixthSense:
I sensed you are surprised by my 'condemnation' but verify these people for yourself. I will continue to put their names up for all to see and take heed. The bible says a little leaven leavens the lump. A little corruption is enough to distort the truth of God. My faith has been shaken as well and it is by His grace that I have now come to a resolution that when push comes to shove I will hold on to Scripture. Scripture alone with a clear conscience before God.

Discernment of spirits is a gift of the Holy Spirit we are exhorted to desire earnestly all gifts. I used to like some of these people at least I respected them. I remember very early when I first got saved for some reason I posted a similar thing on Facebook, without names that some of these popular churches are deceiving God's people leading many to hell. I didn't know much about Scripture, I occasionally felt bad about the post, christians on my page didn't even like it all, in fact it is the most unpopular message I had had to post in my entire life 6 likes/1000. But in my heart I knew I had to post that strong message and that it was the right thing and the truth. I was at peace. Thank God for the internet and the bible believing and teaching websites that explained the gospel, true salvation and conversion, I would have thought I had gone crazy but now I know it was God all along not me. I am not even bold enough to offend people.


Nobody condemns you or any other believer, I never doubted your salvation. I admire your tenacity even as is evident that you are led by the Spirit because nobody that is not born of the Spirit of God would spend so much time on NL harping about the truth in Jesus Christ. Rather I always maintain that these wolves deceive God's people, the elect. And just as Jesus said that the wheat and the tares would remain until the last day when the angels would separate them and throw some in the fire. The elect are everywhere even in some of the most deceptive of these churches. Jesus knows His sheep although some are being starved from meat of the Word of God instead fed with doctrines of greed and men. It is a useful warning because some of the elect would be deceived, if possible (Matt 24:24)


Wonderful testimony, glory to God for your life. You have once again confirmed to me that God calls and chooses us not the other way around. Indeed, Satan cannot preach the gospel of salvation that's why he is always tempting the people, like he did our Lord Jesus, with the kingdoms and pleasures of the world. I do not like the prosperity preachers never did, in my conscience I always knew there had to be something wrong with it. God found me and it has never changed in fact the more I can now look at them and shake my head because they know not of God's wrath and righteous judgement for those that do it intentionally.

There is no doubt that some elect, especially the ones in Africa - because the Americans continue inventing and exporting different perversions - teach it in sincerity, God knows that too, because it is all they had been taught and know about preaching and Jesus Christ but like I said God knows His own but we should all be like the Bereans who check with Scripture to know if what the pastor says is true (Acts 17:11).
On the other hand, some of these wolves know exactly what they have gotten into and what exactly they do. Look at Mike Murdock for example is there anything he talks about other than his money, mansions and private jets? how a believer cannot tell that he is a con-man is beyond me.



1. Like I said, some elect of God teach half-truths in sincerity because it's all they know and have been taught. But the originators, and a lot of them have an agenda that is of the devil. Before I became a christian, I knew about the new age 'positive thinking' cult where they make one make daily positive confessions everyday to change your world, to live an illusion of paradise here on earth and it works for adherents. This is exactly what Joel Osteen does. The book 'The Secret' says and has testimonies of preachers who use the technique but it doesn't make it any less of the occult. These kind of preachers will never preach the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is most of the time offensive to the sinner. Thus, the I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...' (Rom 1:16) But like your testimony, it just shows confirms how God works mysteriously even within a rubble of deception.
2 Yes, you are a testimony to that because God sees the hearts and minds of everyone and calls us to Himself. I also know a little about freemasonry and esoteric societies. Freemasons carry out rituals hold beliefs that are contradictory to Jesus Christ and His teachings. One may not know about their association and in their sincerity go looking for God in their churches. In fact, testimonies like yours and a few I have talked to ease my burden because it just shows that God works in mysterious ways. Also, pride is of the devil never of God and it is not a fruit of the Spirit. It is one Spirit we are all baptised of which we drink (1 Cor 12:13). A person may not have a gift but someone with the Holy Spirit would surely manifest the fruits. That's what I look out for in preachers and believers. People are different some may not pay attention to their lifestyle but for me, lifestyle validates or invalidates anything being preached.
3 Some people are teaching the way they have been taught sincerely.

God transformed your life, give all glory to God first. I don't know about Hagins (I didn't mention him) but there is a guy who brought the New Age thing into christianity probably him but I don't know for sure.

God gave you His Spirit the moment you got saved, I wouldn't give credit to a book and hope you don't mean that you got the Holy Spirit from reading these books.

I never mentioned Hagins maybe not yet. I hope he isn't a part of them. I hope you don't believe these pastors changed your life? God did and should get all the glory. He transformed you by His Spirit in you. I only wish you had been more specific but Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Kenneth Copeland, Rick Joyner, Jesse Duplantis, Mike Murdock, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer(All-seeing eye), Creflo Dollar and Benny Hinn are all of the same breed, lovers of money. They are disqualified by Scripture to even be leaders of any church. (1 Tim 3:3, Tit 1:7)
Most of what these people have made us to believe is the Holy Spirit isn't. The fact that you can testify about Jesus is because of the Holy Spirit(John 15:26) and He gives power to become witnesses (Acts 1: like the evangelists, missionaries etc. The Holy Spirit is least mentioned among the trinity in Scripture that's why most of the misconception in christianity is labelled the Holy Spirit, especially so that it won't be questioned for fear of blaspheming.
The Bereans checked the Scripture diligently to see if what even what apostle Paul was saying was true(Acts 17:11), Paul's letters were subject to verification by Scripture and other people(1 Cor 14:37) 'To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them' (Isa 8:20)
I doubt you have read any christian book written by a martyr or a missionary in heavily persecuted regions of which Nigeria is top on the list. These are books where you see faith in action. You see the subtle but mighty move and glory of God. Do you think christians in the persecuted regions preach the same message as these guys? Of what use is the message of the guys I mentioned to any of those christians or are they any less christian? Maybe they don't they have the Holy Spirit that is able to give one person four private jets but can't even provide protection for the family of missionaries.


Probably his old tactic, he now points people to a god that cannot be verified by Scripture (but God in His mercy calls out His own) to deceive people with fake gospel that Jesus Christ died to give people abundant life of riches and wealth and health and that christians cannot and do not suffer. If they did, then they don't have the right faith. So, when they believe that and fast for 7 months like Hardmirror and don't get what they desire, they become depleted, start having doubts then finally become atheists. How many times have we seen more people coming out of these kind of churches to become atheists?
Believers who eventually come out of these churches after several years usually undergo rehabilitation with good teaching of the Bible.

May God help us all.

I agree with this. All these new generation churches and their cheap gospel are so pathetic. I read some of their books in the past and threw them away because of their emptiness Jesus told us that we will have the good things of life and that we will also have persecution so anybody who is telling me only about the good side without the bad side is useless to me.

Kenneth Hagin corrected the errors in his teachings in the book that he wrote before he died(i ve forgotten the title of the book). In that book he spoke against prosperity gospel and corrected his teachings.

ValentineMary:
These new theist on nairaland and their ranting. Na wa ooo. If u guys can't open threads we can learn from, why not shut up.

Oh yea, you open a thread on christianity matters and you expect us to keep quiet even in the face of detected errors? Na wa for u oga.

Lukmann1:
250 million? it is part of the money he stealed that he is used to bought those things. he thinked he can deceived us by that.

Your grammar tire me o. Its like u have a flair for past tense hence your use of it in commenting where there should be present tense.

HardMirror:
Where have you been all these days? Been wasting my time replying pretenders like 4evergod, kingebukablog, winner01, anas09 that don't even talk like they own a bible talkless of being christians. I honestly will like to know you more and talk more. Let me not say more so it won't be as if I am praising you. Reply and let's correspond. You are the first discerning christian I have met online so far

He has been an atheist but recently converted back to christianity. His testimony here was/is still an inspiration to many people.

TheSixthSense:
Thus says the Lord: Do not let the wise boast in their wisdom, do not let the mighty boast in their might, do not let the wealthy boast in their wealth; but let those who boast boast in this, that they understand and know me, that I am the Lord; I act with steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in the earth, for in these things I delight, says the Lord (Jer 9:23-24)

I sensed that his story couldn't be all lies. I believed he was honest for most parts, particularly when he said christians are heartless because if they knew and believed in hell they would go out on evangelism and I know only someone that has seen that reality to can say such. He also said God is wicked because many people would eventually die unsaved, the majority even, despite his efforts and honest desire to try to reach people for God. Another emotional part was that of the blind man who although he believed 'Jesu I believe...' still didn't receive his healing.

However, one thing I recurrently spotted from his account was pervasive pride. He was still proud of his 'achievements' despite his fall away. So many 'I' performed miracles, I was 'so good' at convincing people (he didn't know that it is God that calls His own), 'I' had the gift of 'word of knowledge' I did this, I did that, 'by now I would have been a superstar'. What did Satan do again, before he got cast out of heaven? Couldn't be much different. My major concern about the whole thing is how many of his kind are still in ministry currently that are in their minds atheists but only continue because they make a living from the career.

His story had a positive effect on my christian walk because it caused me to look inwards, to re-examine and reflect on my motive for serving God is it for glorification of self, to grant my every need - sort of like a genie, not a Lord who owns me - why do I desire certain things from the Lord? Also his narration about fake miracles - particularly about the woman with cancer who although she identified being healed in church left for surgery but they lied by not telling the church members about her true condition - made me look deeper into pentecostalism and wasn't surprised to find that it thrives so much on emotionalism, easy-believism, extra-biblical revelations and activities that almost renders the bible obsolete and also opens the pandora's box of all sorts of occult and strange fire. How someone can confidently teach another a supposed gift of the Spirit is amazing, why then is it a gift?

However, I found that there are people who actually worship and adore God for who He is not because of what He can or would do for them, in fact these lot do not even ask for virtually anything yet they just give thanks. I certainly want to become like them. There is a stark difference in the character and lives of such christians that are many times in contrast with the always bubbly counterparts who usually delight in the gifts and not the Giver. They had a peace and joy not because of anything they have but because they know the Lord.

I also found that the best books on faith are usually written by martyrs and missionaries and certainly not from freemason wolves like Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, Kenneth Copeland, Rick Joyner, Jesse Duplantis, Mike Murdock, Joel Osteen and the bunch of them who appear in the 'word-of-faith new age money gospel' movement. A foundation built on deception and lies would certainly falter when the storms hit.

'They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us' (1 John 2:9)

'Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God' (2 Thes 2:3-4)

Thanks my dear brother.

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Ranchhoddas:
The Hardmirror effect! More threads are being opened in his honour. He's the religion section poster of the year.

I saw that thread less than 24 hours ago for the first time and its up to 50 pages.

This thread is for the purpose of making some salient points based on the testimony of Hardmirror on his conversion from pastor to an atheist.
I have read the testimony to a very large extent and will comment based on the ones i ve read and some replies made by fellow nairalanders.

1.This is the second time i am opening a thread in response to Harmirror's thread but i want to state that i am not doing it out of bitterness or anger rather because his testimony usually comes with some salient points which needs to be clarified in order not to deceive the feeble minds here. His testimony may sound interesting in some areas, some people may have been carried away by it but the truth is that testimonies can be interesting on any side depending on the experience of the narrator and his ability to put it down well. When you read the testimony of an atheist who converted to christianity their testimonies are also captivating and inspiring. Read the one of a satanist who converted to christianity, an occult man who converted to christianity, a muslim who converted to christianity. All these are also striking. If atheism was wonderful as they paint it and chistianity as bad as they paint it then we wouldnt have been seeing any christian who converted to atheism coming back to christianity. I have seen several of them coming back to christianity after so many years both in nairaland and out there.


2. There is an appreciable level of sincerity in his testimony. He was a pastor(at least by the standard of their church/fellowship) so people shouldnt start redefining whether he fits into a pastor or not. He was a soul winner and worked hard in God's vineyard but let me state that being a pastor does not imply that one cannot backslide from christianity. Peter in the bible at some point denied Jesus three times and later repented. Whether HardMirror will come back to Christ or not we dont know. According to his testimony, he once said he will NEVER be an atheist but today you and i can see he has become an atheist. Now he has also said he will never go back to christianity but then we cant take this as a conclusion as long as he is alive. Peter swore to Christ that he cannot deny him even if all the world do that but we saw Peter deny Christ three times consecutively.

3. His testimony confirms what is written in Romans 9.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Heavenly race is not by too much gragra. Obviously my dear HardMirror did a lot of gragra in his heavenly race . Too much activities- e.g. fasting like tomorrow no dey, praying for the sick, so eager to do miracles here and there, speaking in tongues at the slightest "provocation",running from pillar to post to preach . All these things are good but not the main thing about our christian race. Recall in the ministry of Jesus when his disciples came back from evangelism and were exctitedly telling him how they performed miracles, signs and wonders in their outing. Jesus told them not to rejoice in these but that what is worth rejoicing is their names which are written in the book of life. At some other point Jesus told his disciples that on the last day, some people will come to him and tell him how they performed miracles in his name and he will say to them - "depart i know you not". Whenever i see christiians displaying so much gragra in this race i usually advise them to take it easy and refer them to Romans 9;16 because such people usually have the tendency to crash.

4. I noticed some christians who were too quick to pass judgment on him even when was still writing, some prayed for him,some acted in a way that shows that if they had their way they will shut him up so that he wouldnt finish his story. . Too much gragra is not the best at all times o. God help us.

5. There are some truths he said concerning somethings happening in christendom which is quite shameful and i will address some of them, if time permits, in my updates later.Christians who think he lied should be ready to sort it out with me when i present them.

homeboy205:
Will a soul come back to existence, because one way or the other I always felt I've been In this world before when something just happened like it has happened before... You know De ja vu

Life is progressive and in stages. To a baby in the womb life is all about the womb. The womb is their world and nothing exist outside it But
here we are in another world and a different stage of life. To some of us life is all about this place. Once we exit here nothing more. Such people will exit and face another stage of life. Then it will dawn on them that they were actually wrong.

mrZENographer:
Youre not honest. Please be more specific. You hate the apron we put on. Therefore you want to say all manner of SHITS against us to calm your temper. It's not our fault we are boasting for Jesus and proud to be identified anywhere. After all when armrobbers see us they divert. If they see u, they use u for suya. Besides we have a vision. Which is TO WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST AND HELP PEOPLE TO MAKE HEAVEN AT LAST. not he'll.

If you hate us, we know that they first hated Christ.

Which souls are you trying to win? The one you have just said that armed robbers will attack and use for suya? What kind of Christian are you?
Some of you are a shame to christianity.
Smh.

Instead of praying for armed robbers to repent you are rather praying for them to attack other people and leave your church members so that you come and give your Stupid testimony of how u were not attacked.

4everGod:
Gosh! Who did this to you? So despite the answer staring you in the face you still ask this? Even with the expression "sin" and "continue in sin" you still ask this?

Smh

The guy has a problem. He is not worth giving attention.

DeSepiero:
One can't move forwards and backwards all at once.

Now,

'Are you saying a Christian can never sin?'

If after answering the bolded you are still asking me this question it only confirms how shallow your reasoning is.
Now run back to the thread that 4everGod opened and deal with the issues there. Stop running here and there like a rat.

DeSepiero:
I repeat.
"ARE YOU SAYING A CHRISTIAN CAN NEVER SIN?"

Respond according to your Bible o since that's your standard. Remember 'thou shall not lie'

And I ask- can you move forward and backward at the same time? Simple explanation is hard for you to understand. I sorry for u o.

DeSepiero:
You didn't answer the question.
Are you saying a Christian can never sin? That's a big lie you know.
So when you guys pray for forgiveness of sins its not your sins you pray for?
Or is that you guys ceased to be Christians? You know you're contradicting yourself. Please define a Christian.

Then tell me you've never sinned as a Christian before and confirm to me how big a liar you are.

A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is not a sinner. You can't be on the two lanes at the same time. You can't be moving backward and forward at the same time.

hopefulLandlord:
no sarcasm, I kid you not

the flying spaghetti monster is the one true god, bow to him so you can enjoy his holy sauce at his bosom in afterlife

You have failed to answer the question i asked you. Stop playing ojoro and answer me biko.

DeSepiero:
Young lady, stick to what you understand.

She asked a very simple question and this is what you can answer her. Such an empty answer.

DeSepiero:
Seriously?? Educate me, y'all believers are shying from my question.
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If a Christian dies in an act of sin without repentance and forgiveness. Where does he spend eternity according to your belief?[b]
Heaven or Hell??

You obviously know its Hell. So why would such Christian not be scared?
By the way correct yourself; I see how much of a fake Christian you are. Nonsense!!!

Somebody fornicated and you said he is still a Christian? It means you dont even know what it means to be a Christian.

DeSepiero:
You're talking 'atheism' dude. He ain't defending Islam, he's asking you a good question. Since theism is all about believe and worship of a deity. What if the Muslim God and not your God is the true God. What if you meet their hell upon dying?
Because that uncertainty of yours most probably contributes to his unbelief. Get it right!

And I said why use islam to defend his atheism? It means his belief in atheism is empty and lacks what it takes to defend himself. Quite a shame. I dont need to use other religion to defend my stand as a Christian.
He is not a muslim therefore he lacks competence to talk about their belief. You atheists should quit your show of shame.

hopefulLandlord:
I know cuz "I feel it in my heart"

I have faith I'll stay dead

and if I'm wrong about that, the flying spaghetti monster would give the only afterlife that's valid, give me his holy sauce which I'll enjoy at his bossom forever and ever R'Amen

o yea now science is no more your bedrock as your sarcasm suggests. When it pleases you then you make noise about science. keep swinging. A rolling stone....

CHARLOE:
What if u die n discover d Muslim hell is d real hell?

Its a shame to see atheists using other religions to defend their belief. It shows your belief is empty and lacks what it takes to defend you people. I dont need any other religion to defend my belief. You are not a muslim, therefore you dont stand any grounds to defend muslim belief. Leave muslims alone to come and defend their Quran. Since you cant be confident enough to defend your belief without using other religion then deal with the shame/

hopefulLandlord:
nah, when I die, I stay dead;

Who gave you this conclusion? I thought you believe in science. Did science tell you that they have concluded their research about life and came out with what you wrote up there as the final result?

Gayjesus:
Based on your Christian teaching,can a christian go to hell fire or not? Like the OP said,what is the minimum criteria to go to heaven?

A christian cannot go to hell. Except you have your own definition of christian.

hopefulLandlord:
that you believe in Yahweh doesn't make him exist either,

And if you die and discover that you have deceived yourself and are actually in hell fire, what will you do?