Christianity Etc › Re: Discussion Thread (hellfire Not Biblical) - Lordnicklaus And Johnydon22 by honourhim: 2:18pm On Oct 05, 2016 |
johnydon22: One thing is certain here and that is "You as a person find the very idea of hell repulsive and disturbing"
But let's be honest here the bible explicitly mentions a place of eternal punishment, you may try to rationalize these potions of the bible with your own interpretations [which is exactly the reason why we have almost 40,000 sects in Christianity]
Men always trying to dilute the very extreme measures of the bible with their own reason and opinion which gives rise to distinct interpretations for one potion of the bible.
Because we know if Christians were not subtle as to dump literal followership of the bible, they'd be more dangerous and extreme than muslims - but to this Saint Augustine once bemoaned.
"Anyman that believes a part of the scripture and reject the others, do not believe the scripture but himself"
The place of burning torment as a punishment for transgressors [Lake of fire, hell fire] is an intricate part of both the bible [NT] and the fundamental Christian doctrine..
You may argue that it never was part of the attributes of Yahweh as a Judaic deity and that'd be correct but as a Christian Deity, hell fire is a very intrinsic parcel of yahweh. You have told him the truth. He is just trying to water down what is clearly stated in the scriptures. |
Christianity Etc › Re: To Atheists: Tell Us About The Origin Of The Universe by honourhim: 9:29am On Oct 05, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: taking a simple look at his profile, he's not active in the religion section
he most likely just thought the question up and asked it which isn't strange since we see many such threads that have been trashed before get opened again and again
anyways, I just don't accept the question being "stupid"
cheers The question is not stupid on its own rather the motive behind it. If its out of genuine motive then let him go ahead but if its just for us to be at logger head then no point. He may also be an undercover agent of this site whose Job is to generate traffic thru this means. They can go ahead. . That's their business. |
Christianity Etc › Re: To Atheists: Tell Us About The Origin Of The Universe by honourhim: 9:09am On Oct 05, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: is that what makes his question "stupid"?
and he should "leave atheists alone and live his life" just like you've been doing This topic has been trashed here over and over. Has he not come across any of those threads or is he just trying to spark of the argument just for the sake of it? |
Christianity Etc › Re: To Atheists: Tell Us About The Origin Of The Universe by honourhim: 8:54am On Oct 05, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: who is the judge of a question being stupid or not
the monicker asked a question and people are already giving answers cue you calling stupid
"Leave atheists alone and face your life"
Coming from you, The irony of that statement is huge I thought you people said you don't know as claimed below. Do U now know? I ve seen atheists severally said they dont know. sokar: Atheists never claimed to know the origin of the universe, there are only scientific theories to the possible origin for now. On the other hand, could you tell me the origin of God? |
Christianity Etc › Re: To Atheists: Tell Us About The Origin Of The Universe by honourhim: 7:46am On Oct 05, 2016 |
panafrican: Tell us how did everything start. What kind of stupid quetion is this? leave atheist alone and face your life |
Christianity Etc › Re: And The Best Proof for God Existence Is... by honourhim: 8:32pm On Oct 04, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: Bros, woman dey follow you talk and you no happy? I am so jealous.  see your mouth |
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Christianity Etc › Re: And The Best Proof for God Existence Is... by honourhim: 10:05am On Oct 04, 2016 |
felixomor:
 I pity the miserable life of an average nairaland atheists who spend their "valuable" time discussing what they consider as "invaluable". It's quite a shame on them. We can see how they shit in their pants each time Christians request for a separate section here. If i was an atheist i wont spend my time in what i consider invaluable. Even as a Christian i can't imagine wasting my time talking about islam or other religions that i dont have value for. I dont even visit muslim section here. I dont even remember that such a section exist here. I no get that kind time. Honestly, the average nairaland atheist is pathetic. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Free Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! by honourhim: 11:16pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
frank317: Watch the way u insult... Dear loving Jesus will put u in hell. Do u want to go to hell? Be careful |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Free Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! by honourhim: 11:15pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: New And Awesome Testimony Loading For A Nairalander by honourhim: 10:47pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
we are here bro. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 10:34pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 10:08pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: wonderful reply,you can keep on believing in talking snakes ,talking donkeys and even flying angels ,we live in a free world bro ,go and take a bottle of star to calm your nerves, you need it And you that has stopped believing, are you living a better life than those of us who believe? Are all atheists making achievements in life more than us? Tell me any worthy profession in life that christians are not making impact? So what are you talking about? Abeg go rest. Stop deceiving yourself. The only thing that atheism offers you is UNVBELIEVE IN GOD. Thats all. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 9:55pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: thank you but lemme ask you ,are you actually pained am an atheist oe you want me to open a father christmas thread tomorrow of how i left atheism for Christianity lol Why should i be pained because you became an atheist? Does your being an atheist remove one naira from my bank account? My only interest was the false message you were trying to pass about christianity. You arrogated all the evils you mentioned to religion. When i mentioned the good that christianity brought you told me that anybody with good conscience can do those things. if thats the case then i see no reason why you should arrogate evil to religion instead of saying that anybody with a bad conscience can do the evils you mentioned. I am not stopping you from being an atheist but be sincere in your postulations. As for me, atheism is empty and worthless. All it has to offer me is unbelieve in God. Nothing more. I dont have time for such a worthless and stupid venture. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 9:31pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: may your conscience save you from yourself because you are becoming something else,something in my view which is evil ,,,end of quoting Stop fooling yourself with your useless atheism. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 9:25pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: honourhim,anybody with a good conscience can do all you mentioned about religion so one does not need to be a christian to do such How many have you done? And in line with what you said, dont you know that anybody with a bad conscience can do the ones you listed? so why are you attaching it to christians? Did Jesus command us to do evil? |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 9:19pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
Samunique: 100,000000 likes for you !!!
Let them keep deceiving themselves, some of them even go as far as using different monikers to open different threads on how they've been freed from the chain of religion must especially Christianity to deceive the gullible.
The more they attack Christianity the more it thrives !!! the guy is so foolish. New churches are springing up almost on daily basis across Naija, old churches are creating new branches almost on daily basis across Naija and people are trooping in yet he is telling himself lies about the spread of atheism in Nigeria. Even in this nairaland, christians have an overwhelming number. The truth is that most christians in nairaland have quit visiting the religion section because of the way atheists operate here. A lot of christians have left nairaland entirely. There was a time the religious section was vibrant. Such vibrancy has disappeared. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 8:50pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: i always want to know ur mental records bro,reason been how does churches opening here and there improve the life of the citizens for example nigeria,how have churches and mosques improve our country if not through religious indoctrination,hatred for loved ones,supporting the murder of innocent children accused of witchcraft. grow some beards of wisdom,brother Be reasonable for once and stop fooling yourself. Go and read how churches established schools in Nigeria in those days which are called missionary schools. Our parents are product of those missionary schools. The motherless babies homes are a product of the church. That some churches are getting it wrong does not mean that the church has no good role it has played in our development. Even today, some churches go on prison evangelism, hospital evangelism. These churches take food item to these people, they pay some hospital bills of the patient they minister to. They help some up coming business men. Some church members in position do help put their church members in offices. some pay the school fees of indigent members. Sit there and be counting the wrongs of churches without also counting the good side. You as a person, how many people have you helped in this life since you became an atheist? And do you know how many people i ve helped in life as a christian? Go and sit down biko. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Free Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! by honourhim: 8:33pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: guy, i beg you, always have sense its not by force to be a fool ,haba,dem dey pay you money to talk anyhow?am only happy that is the first stage of enlightenment in the search for truth,and i did not thank seun for making me an atheist i chose atheism myself after weighing down the evidence for both God existence and non existence Your stupidity tells you that its only when you mention the word "thank you" that you have actually thanked somebody. SMH. My point is that you shouldnt tell him not to disturb anybody's peace. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Dear Brother Seun Osewa by honourhim: 8:21pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: i address this topic to you seun,,,,i became a nairalander some years ago and i can tell you that if not for nairaland by now i would have been a fanatic very brutal one ,,but when i came here i encoutered mazage,joseph1013,johnydon22 this guys really helped me understand that superstition is evil from there i read alot and freedmyself from religion , reason for this post is -don't listen to the christians and moslems ,i love nairaland the way it is ,aren't you proud nairaland is raising a greater generation free from superstition and tribalsim found in religion,aren't you proud you have accomplished what even tai solarin,wole soyinka,adejobi etc never achieved most of is who are atheist,theist,deist trace our salvation to nairaland ,go on the social media today see the great changes taken place,,arent you proud my brother.If you don't know kindly logout of nairaland and see the great revolution taking place in Nigeria; back then if he a child is accused of witchcraft on the topic trends on facebook ,you see nigerians supporting such defamation but these days have you seen such?lots of people have been saved on nairaland from the evils in religion,religion also has some good in it nevertheless we need to raise a NIGERIA free from the incursion of religion into poltics,science and education cc:seun,hahn,plaetton Its seems you like fooling yourself. Which revolution is taking place when churches are recording steady growth in their population in Nigeria. Churches are opening branch churches in every neighbourhood. New churches are springing up here and therre. Dont stay here and be consoling yourself with your so called great revolution. Are you this foolish? |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Free Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! by honourhim: 7:00pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
stephenmorris: very very good,see no one gives a damn if you are an atheist or a christian but don't just disturb the peace of others,,, congrats bro ,you have taken the path of benjamin franklin Are you a psychiatric case? You opened a thread thanking Seun and other atheists here for opening your eyes to become an atheist, and here someone is also happy about being free from religious dogma and you are stupid enough to tell him not to disturb others. Are you so foolish? |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Free Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! by honourhim: 3:26pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
Vick4rill: bro, we the xtians dont care, it is ur life live it as u want.if u are truly free as u proclaim, u shldnt ve broadcast it in order to get affirmation.this goes a long way to show that u still doubt ur new faith. pls b4 ur colleagues comes here to applaud u. have it at the back of ur mind that there are millions and billions of great and wonderful people, who still worship this God you didnt read the op well. pjs read again. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 3:20pm On Oct 03, 2016 |
Wilgrea7: pls mr correct teaching state how my teaching is false and give proofs or else stop calling a black pen blue simply because u want it to be blue Wilgrea7: oga encountered personally so ure saying the rest are false. then why are near death experiences contradictory?? Oga dont get yourself worked up. I am not here to convince you. When you exit this world then you can see which one is false or true. |
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Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 8:37am On Oct 03, 2016 |
Wilgrea7: Ok so u want to base your proof of hell on Near Death Experiences (NDE)... ok . You have Google... research NDE's. you'll find out that most people who have such are people that are fundamentalist Christians.. I've seen stories of Muslims who claim such but became stronger in their faith.. Also 80% of near death experiences aren't about hell.. and many people who claim to have been taken to the underworld or where u will call hell claim there is no fire there
what of Christians who died and came back and said hell isn't real??
pls get ur facts well... google is your friend 
Ok so u want to base your proof of hell on Near Death Experiences (NDE)... ok . You have Google... research NDE's. you'll find out that most people who have such are people that are fundamentalist Christians.. I've seen stories of Muslims who claim such but became stronger in their faith.. Also 80% of near death experiences aren't about hell.. and many people who claim to have been taken to the underworld or where u will call hell claim there is no fire there
what of Christians who died and came back and said hell isn't real??
pls get ur facts well... google is your friend You are talking about google and i 'm telling you the ones i ve encountered personally. I am not forcing you to believe me. We all will exit the world and face the truth about heaven and hell. Argument can't change anything. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 8:28am On Oct 03, 2016 |
Wilgrea7: Oga pls stop being biased and stubborn... I am a Christian but my problem with the ones that claim they are Christians is that they don't sit down and judge facts well.. Even the bible you claim so much never said hell was eternal... oga go sleep abeg.. instead of u to be preaching love you're scaring people with a place of eternal fire.. If the gift of God is eternal life and only the righteous get the gift then that how will people suffer in hell for all eternity
A man was good and upright throughout his whole life but just because of one lie he told by mistake he goes to hell for ever and ever and ever..... no end
Is it just??
I was as dogmatic as you before... but i thank God that he liberated me from the shackles of stupidity. Who cares whether you are a Christian or not? You can continue with your false teaching. At the end of the day you will be faced with the truth. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 10:08pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: You clearly cannot prove to me the existence of such place of dire torture without quoting the stupid claims of people going to hell and returning. Are you so childish? What makes you think I believe stories of people going to hell and returning and also giving contradictory descriptions of an eternal incinerator? I have told you that i am not here to force you to believe. Whether you believe or not doesnt add a penny to my bank account. You can continue with your unbelieve When you exit this world you prove it yourself. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 9:51pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: And what makes you think Jesus actually taught such, or don't you know of additions and interpolations found in biblical manuscripts? The hell fire shenanigan was a later addition to sacred text and cannot be found in the oldest manuscripts of Matthew and Mark. Bro leave that addition story abeg. Apart from the bible, people of different religions and cultures across the world (including atheists) who have had a revelation of hell have always given their lives to Jesus. Why will a muslim say he had a revelation of hell and give his life to Christ if what he saw wasnt real to him? Why will an atheist say it if he didnt see it? If these testimonies were coming from only christians then it would ve been a different case but when it cuts across people of other religion and cultures then you should know it isnt a lie. I'm not even forcing you to believe. when you exit this world you will see for yourself. Nobody is an unbeliever in hell because they have seen that what they said wasnt existing actually exist and there is nothing they can do about it than face the eternal punishment. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 8:57pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: Of course, hell fire doesn't drive morally convicted people to church but people who feel insecure often go to church for fear of hell. If you have also proven that hell fire doesn't indeed move people to church, then why teach such demeanor in the first place? Why wont we preach it when Jesus preached it? We dont run Christianity on our sentiment. You preach as Jesus did. Those who want to believe can believe and those who dont want can reject. When they exit this world they will see how they have deceived themselves but it will be too late to amend. |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Will Not Burn Anyone In A Fiery Hell For Eternity -femi Aribisala by honourhim: 8:45pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
raphieMontella: the thief on the cross....remember him? How many of the people you know who are dead told you the day they will die? |
Christianity Etc › Re: I Don't Believe In Hell Fire by honourhim: 8:00pm On Oct 02, 2016 |
introvertme: please go through this thread and tell me where you have issues with. Don't be ignorant There is nothing new about the article that you posted here. Its the same lies which you people telling. We have trashed it out here severally. you are just deceiving yourself. |