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CANTICLES:
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A fine boy !!! ... Fine here refers to good looking!

How are you ? Am fine .... Fine here refers to good condition of the heart !!!

Study the context , man ...... In luke 23:46 , Jesus said " father, into ur hands I commend my spirit after sayin this he DIED" !!! .... It definitely cannot be plato's myth of d cave , coz we hear him sayin " I have not yet ascended to the Father " Many Days After !! Can U Tell us what the spirit in luke 23:46 meant ??

CANTICLES:
This apostle paul has a firm believe in ressurection ..... He has resurection in mind when sayin this things !!!

" to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier RESURECTION FROM THE DEAD" PHIlipian 3:11 .... A type of resurection to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ.

" If we have become united with him in he likeness of his death, We will certainly also be united with him IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESSURECTION" !

frosbel:
I respect your maturity and grace in this debate by refusing to bring yourself down to the level of insults and abuse unlike those wicked hypocrites.

Carry on with the Christ-like approach and keep on educating that ignorant one, his eyes may be open soon.

CANTICLES:
@ Honourhim .... Study the context !!!


#1 God is a spirit /pneuma/ , not just an abstract But a real person that has personalties, But Has a " spiritual body" 1 cor 15:44 and they all live in heaven , the home of intelligent Spirit Beings that exist before the first man crawl out of dust ! !

#2 Spirit can also refer to the force dat makes a person do good or bad !!! Bible mentions " spirit of the world" 1 COR 2:12 ! This is not a person, but a force dat exhibit itself in sinners !!!! .......

#3 Man has a physical body that can ONLY survive on the planet earth!!! But the spirit from God in man refers to the " spirit in their Nostrils" Job 27:3 !!

#4 When Jesus was a man on earth .... His spirit was his breath ! Or are u tellin me Jesus was in heaven the day he died , " father into ur hands i entrust my spirit" luk 23:46 .... Was he in heaven that day ??

frosbel:
- Who was this man ?
- This man was not sure if his experience was in or out of the body
- No indication whatsoever that there were people existing in heaven , he only saw great things
- Many people have similar stories albeit with a slightly different twist, in a concept called near death experience.

This scripture does not support your wishful thinking



Makes no sense, try something else

frosbel:
^^^^

Do you study at all ??

Let me give you a small easy task, what does spirit mean in this context ?

frosbel:
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Let me give you a small easy task, what does spirit mean in this context ?

CANTICLES:
Animals and man av " same spirit" Ecc 3:19

" spirit from God is in my NOSTRILS" Job 27:3

" And God .. Blow into his NOSTRILS the breath of life " Gen 2:7 !!
The spirit (breath of life) from God in the nostrils of man and animals , is the force dat activates life in them !! Gen 7:15,22

In luke 23:46 Jesus cried out " father into your hands I commend my spirit (life force in his nostrils), after saying this he DIED" !!!

NOT that Jesus went to heaven !! ...... Viewin from scripture Jesus never ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurection - john 20:17

What Jesus meant is that, he rest his prospect of coming to live again with the Father , who can restore the force of life. Luke 23:46

vooks:
Resurrection of the dead is wonderful
It is creation of dummies and installing ancient memories of CANTICLES that baffles. Soul sleep heresy is lunacy on stilts
CANTICLES once you check out and we inter you, that's it. Come resurrection and God will make another CANTICLES and enjoy eternity with him. That is if you are lucky enough not to remain in the dust.

You will have your clone enjoying eternity out of your sweat as you rot and fossilize in the grave

The difference between sinner CANTICLES and righteous CANTICLES is that God makes a dummy of one and not the other.

CANTICLES:
Ressurection of the DEAD sounds very foolish to you !!! The same eway it sounds foolish to the greeks who hold the doctrine of immortal soul ( Read Act 17:31,32 , and see how the apostle paul had a hard time explaining Ressurection to immortal soul philosophers) !! #smiles# its been happening many years ago

For your info:

Even king David didnt acend to heaven when he dies, He REMAIN IN THE GRAVE ( Act 2:29,34).

GOD told daniel : " go and Rest and u wil stand up for your share at the end of the days"

At ressurection ....... " Many of those Asleep IN THE DUST of the earth will wake up" Danie 12:2 !

CANTICLES:
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Therefore , his scripture based explanation are right ...... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN he dies ! "the son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights " Matt 12:40 !

Thats tellin you that When God says:

" YOU are dust and to dust YOU SHALL RETURN" GEN 3:19 ! The pronoun "YOU" refers to a whole person and NOT Just flesh .

Pronoun is used in place of a NOUN ! Supply the Noun and we will have " Adam is dust and to dust Adam shall return " (Gen 3:19 ! )

CANTICLES:
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Only flesh, GBAM! So JESUS NEVA DIE ??

frosbel:

CANTICLES:
The Question is directed at YOU , NOT frosbel

DID JESUS DIE (OR) its only his flesh that dies ??

CAPTIVATOR:
Contrary to ur nollywood movies ..... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for three days and three nights until his Ressurection ! Matt 12:40

CAPTIVATOR:
Hmm My Bro ...... How I wish he could answer the question canticles gave him : DID JESUS DIE ( OR) its Only his flesh dat dies ??

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus Ressurect A Decomposed Lazarus of bethany .. Already smellin dead man.... WITH A FRESH BODY,( JOH11: 11 - 30) yet he still RECOGNIZE Martha and Mary as his sisters !!

CAPTIVATOR:
The resurected dead daughter of Jairus also recognize his parents

CAPTIVATOR:
GO and read more about what Jesus will accomplish at resurrection of the dead

CAPTIVATOR:
" There is going to be a ressurection" Act 24:15
" Ressurection of the dead" heb 6:2 NOT ressurection of d livin

CAPTIVATOR:
U got me laughing .... Once again ! , matt 26:38 and mark 8:36 never mentions "ALTAR" on wich blood is sprinkled! Soul dat Jesus pour to death ,in that context refer to the life of Jesus himself, which he gave in a ransom for many people !!

Contrary to your nollywood movies ............. NOTHING LEAVE JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for 3 days and three nights till he was Ressurected !Matt 12:40

vooks:
CAPTIVATOR and frosbel,
How comes you shy away from my question?
Both of you are dying.
Assume you are to resurrect.
What will inherit eternal life is not frosbel nor CAPTIVATOR since you ceased to exist the moment you died
God creates your lookalikes, fills them with your memory,character and personality he had stashed somewhere and enjoys eternity with them on account of what you did on earth
Those lookalikes/fakes are not you. They were never on earth, they never persevered nothing, they never resisted temptation

That is your Saduccee theology in a nutshell the only difference being that you believe in 'resurrection' while Sadducees never believed in that

Can you see how dumb and unintelligent this thinking is?

cc
mbaemeka
Nlmediator

CAPTIVATOR:
Apostle John himself knows that soul stands for blood !!!

" for the soul of the flesh is in the BLOOD" leviticus 17: 11,12 !!!

" sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar" Lev 3:2 !
The sacrificial lamb or sheep is related with the altar !
we see the soul or blood of this faithful servant of God in the symbolic Alter in heaven beacause God views their death as sacrifice .

It also says "" they cried out for vengeance" !

How can the blood cry out when its clear that the " dead knows nothing at all" ( Ecc 9:5)!

Remember that when Abel dies, his God says " his BLOOD is crying out from the ground" - Gen 4:10,11 ! Blood cant talk , but what happen is that Abel dies innocent , and the person dat kills him needs d vengeance .... Cain receive dat! In d same manner,d blood of many servants of God killed seek vengeance ! Jer 15:15,16 .

" The one who conquers will thus be dressed in white garment," Rev 3:5 ! This applies to those who have been PURCHASED from among the people on earth (READ Rev 14:1,3,4) who will be ressurected to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ (Romans 6:5), to Rule AS KING AND PRIEST OVER THE EARTH REV 5:9,10

CAPTIVATOR:
funny person .... I Gave u a scripture , u reply with another ! Tellin me dat the scripture contradicts itself , IT DOESNT!!!

The soul's under the altar is nor refferin to d immortal soul of greek pagans (Genesis 2:7 says man became soul; eze 18:4 says SOUL DIE !!!

frosbel:
Of course your brain cannot take it, it has been brain washed,

frosbel:
Two terms which stick to you like glue - religionists and brainwash. Let's also add extremist to make it complete.

frosbel:
You are arguing with somebody who is 'brain dead'.

CAPTIVATOR:
" Adam BECAME a livin soul" Gen 2:7 ! NOT GIVEN
A Soul!

" Adam BECAME a livin soul" 1 cor 15:45 ! NOT GIVEN A Soul!

" ALL HAVE SINNED " ROM 3:23

" The soul that sins - it itself SHALL DIE" EZE 18:4, 20

frosbel:
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CAPTIVATOR:
You are slowly gettin to know the truth ...... Thanks A dead rat is useless , it cant talk , move or do anything , it knows nothing again, its brain connectivity is nw off! !!!!

A dead human is also useless , it cant talk, move , or do anything ! The brain , the powerhouse is now off , no more knowledge ...

honourhim:
Your explanation is as useless as a dead rat. I don't see anything that calls for explanation on what those biblical verses said except that you need those explanations in order to sell your falsehood to. Cheap minds.

CAPTIVATOR:
u dont need to abuse him !

u now know its very clear , the word "hell" was fabricated , stupid enuf dey say sheol is hell, hades is hell , gehenna is hell, tartarus is hell ! 4 diferent words as hell ! See that desperate attempt and GREAT FORGERY Sheo'l and hade's refer to " GRAVE" ECC 9:10, ACT 2:31

Gehenna .. Hebrew /valley of hinnom/ is a place where dead bodies are thrown ( jer 7:32)a geographical location in isreal !Christ used it to symbolize destruction .
... Everlastin death without any hope of a resurection !NOT a large scale practice of burning sons and daughters done by isrealites ( Jer 7:31) !God calls dat burnin act " destestable thing" jer 32:35 hop u know d meanin of "Detestable?

Tartarus ... A place of darkness where some angels are said to be till they will be destroyed and cutt off from life ! 2pet 2:4

CAPTIVATOR:
In matthew 25:41 ... Jesus said this everlastin fire is prepared for the Devil and its angels , ! In dis same discourse he mentions " goats " and " sheeps" matt 25: 32,33 ! The goat are symbolic , so also the sheep are symbolizing certain group of people !
The everlastin fire symbolize the destruction of Devil and its angel ! Literal fire cant harm a spirit creature dat has no body , and no material substance , no wonder the scripture says Devil walk in d " fire stones " Eze 14:33
An Angel also walk in d midst of fire set up by wicked king Nebuchadnezzar ! ..... An Angel spoke to moses in d midst of a burning bush.
Devil and his cohorts will be destroyed and cutt of from enjoyin the gift of life ! Jesus will bring Satan "to nothing" heb 2:14 !
In jude 7 ..... Complete destruction of sodom and gomorrah is also pictured as "everlastin fire" ! They are " reduced to ashes"

Fulaman198:
We believe that Jesus (Issa) was a great man who was a great prophet. Jesus (Issa) is mentioned more times in the Qu'ran than the Bible itself.

CANTICLES:
LIAR ! Remove the wool from ur eyes

Jesus never pronounce the word "hell" or .... He spoke Hebrew/ Aramaic !! He mention " Gehenna" /valley of hinnom/! A mass graveyard ( jer 7:32) , A geographical location dat exist till today in isreal, As a symbol of complete destruction !!!

frosbel:
I know it's you ALEXEO, your pattern of argument, very illogical and one track minded.

Shawl001:
†☺ those committed †☺ God...jes wanna remind you dat, #you can never convince a monkey †☺ stop eating banana..# so are those critics out here. D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥'ve been blinded by the god øƒ this world. They can't see nor ear...so aw will D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ reason...what a pity!

frosbel:
You fear HELL that's why you remain a church man.