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philfearon:
Tell me what you know about God that is not in the bible?

. Bro don't feel I'm attacking you. I'm not. Its just a cool discussion. Just tell me your understanding about the personality called God from what you ve read in the bible. Thanks.

They should just settle their issues with the oil workers. We are tired of their empty assurances of uninterupted supply during every scarcity Period. Liars.

PastorAIO:
Thank you very mush. I was about to get unto that. in fact I was going to ask if people before the Law had consciences or not. If they did, then what is the conscience based on, the law? Or something else?

Personally I believe human beings are essentially moral creatures. Law or no law, we all have an inner moral compass. Those that know me on NL know that I have always mocked all these 'before the law, after the law' arguments.

Conscience works both with the law and independent of the law. For example, when Cain killed Abel there was no law that says -thou shall not kill. but his response to God when he was asked about Abel shows that his conscience had condemned his action hence his reaction to God's question and the attendant fear that he had that he was going to be killed by people that will see him. Here conscience worked without the law.

In the case of Adam for example, an instruction was given and they failed, when God came to see them they went hiding. Here conscience worked based on the law. I agree with you that law or no law, we all have our moral compass. Though law seems to expose our conscience to more things to react to than when there is no law.

joseph1013:
You're shifting ground and that is nothing new to religionists. We started off with what happened with people who are dead but did not hear the gospel of Christ, you said they'd be judged by conscience. Conscience cannot be used because Jesus has supposedly provided a blueprint for salvation.

How did i shift ground? I said those who died IN THE PAST without hearing about Christ will be judged according to their conscience which is the guide they had. How did they react when their conscience pricked them of an evil act? Then i quoted Acts 17 to buttress that the days of their ignorance(of Christ) were overlooked by God. Then i said in our time(which is the time of hi info tech) the gospel has spread far much wider than before. Hardly will peple claim they ve not heard of Christ.

joseph1013:


And you'd be amazed at the billions of people in this world right now who do not know that there is something called Jesus. And according to the scriptures, how can they believe if they have not heard?

I disagree with you that billions of people in the world right now dont know about Jesus. Not in these days of hi info tech. These are my points. However you can raise your disagreement and where you are right i will acknowledge.

joseph1013:
There is a serious problem with saying that Conscience will be used to judge. Look at the following:

John 10:8 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.

John 14:6 I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The problem is that we add our own explanations outside of that provided in the Scriptures as if we have a unique revelation. We dont. If Jesus says he is the only way to God, and did not add that it holds true to only people who heard him, since he is God-in-human-form who knows that certain people would need it in 2014, why are you allowed to add your own interpretation?

I didn't add anything. Read Acts:17:29,30.

Having said that, in our time the gospel of Jesus has gone far and wide. Many have heard it and have had encounter with him in their closet. Jesus is not encoutered only in the church. Salvation is not gotten only in the church. You can encounter Jesus anywhere and anytime.

peteregwu:
just like I said before whether you agree with me or not, there areas where the church will help depending on who that person is to the church. that is what I said. you people are just saying as if say na the church go carry you for hand they breast feed you. there is no church that does not offer some little help, but they are limited, and that is not the purpose of the church. Acts 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; 3:3 "Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. 3:4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. 3:5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk."

How many needs will the church cater for, him many people do you want to feed? if the church falls to such, then the church will become gluttonous and powerless.

John 6:26 "Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

How much percentage of the money that comes into the church is used to cater to the needs of the poor? And what percentage goes to the pastor?

Bro let's be honest, churches have failed big time in this regard.

ooman:
bye bye then.

Thanks for your time.

ooman:
This is nothing but hair splitting. Lets focus on the real task shall we? Now answer the question. Which god?

No I'm not here to bow to your dictates so you cant kick me into what you want. I said God. If you want to discuss god, then find someone else not me bro. But if you want to discuss God, then lets continue.

frosbel:
What is this religious fanatic saying , lol.

For your info , Christianity is not the only medium through which one can believe in God, duh !!

Please don't derail this thread, take your extremism elsewhere.

Hey! thats not the issue i have with you. Stop diverting.Go and address the issue i have with you in that your thread.

Again drop the bible as i said. Is it not foolishness for you to still believe a book with many lies(according to you) and believe the God which the book projects? Be "wise" brother and drop the book and the God it projects. Or you want to continue to live in this foolishness? Smh..

ooman:
Which god?

god? not for me. God i said.

frosbel:
Nice article but I will not go as far as disputing the existence of God because it is just too evident to suggest otherwise. But let's leave that for another debate.

Religion and Christianity in particular only flourished till today because they used torture, fear and superstition to deter their members from leaving the fold. In the middle ages, to question any Christian doctrine or priest was to invite either prison, death or exile and so freedom of expression was not permitted. Many who dared to flow against the tide were brutally oppressed or killed.

Now that we are in the information and freedom age, we have tons and tons of material at our immediate disposal to carry out research into previously held truths or beliefs.

Like you I am an avid reader, reviewer and researcher into Christianity and the can I opened from my due diligence on this religion has so many worms that some times I just have to take some time off to bask in multiple phews !!!

For example, when I discovered that a lot of the prophecies in the gospel of Matthew were either wrongly applied or fabricated, that shook me. Then the trinity, hell fire and many other doctrines I found to be false and this triggered a zeal for more study.

My question to all of us and you the OP is, when you find one LIE in a book you begin to wonder how many more lies may lie therein. When you discover that most of the doctrines you once cherished were pagan in origin and mostly myths you ask yourself how much of the bible is truth, myth and fables.

It can get scary for a new believer or younger person especially when their pastors warn them to avoid further research with the consequence of hell or excommunication and other threats to stifle knowledge acquisition and application.

My stance is this, any religion or GOD that discourages reason , logic and investigation into TRUTH is not REAL.

So while we have similar stories , I just want to say that despite the flaws in the bible, my belief in God still stands, but my trust in Christianity and churches in general is weak.

You are playing ojoro here. A book that contains many lies according to you yet you still believe in the God which the book talked about. If you are sincere enough then drop the book and the God of the book and find another elsewhere. Stop messing yourself up by playing the middle man game.

N/B.
Kindly go and answer the questions i asked you in the thread you opened or live with the shame of not answering them. Mr teacher, teach me or bear the shame.

peteregwu:
na DAT one you look for abi? church shouldn't be a place for giving out money but a place where people come and here the word that change there lives, after all there is power in the word....it is spirit and life. if you begin to make church a place of giving out money, then you have open way for satan, demons and his agent. that means I will not be focused on the word and faith in God but on money.

I disagree with you brother. Read acts 4:34-36

34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.

36 And Joses,[d] who was also named Barnabas by the apostles (which is translated Son of Encouragement), a Levite of the country of Cyprus, 37 having land, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

ooman:
Ok, to begin with, how do I know which god exactly is ministering to me and how do I know if what he's ministering is the "truth"?
And what is this truth?

Do you sincerely have a hunger for righteousness? A hunger to know God and serve him in spirit and in truth?

ooman:
Uhm, ok but does god minister the truth to atheists who are practical atheists presently, like me? That is the question and it requires a simpe yes or no.

Yes God ministers the truth to you and to everybody but its the state of your heart in accepting his message that is the issue.

aaronson:
,I'm ATHIEST and FREETHINKER...with my mental power of cognition I wouldn't wanna choose the wrong path if I really know there is a God whom they claim is the right path but Truth be told,If there really is a God then the door to that right path is under Lock and key considering the level of evil and impunity in the world and God still sat there looking like he's waiting on Nigerian phcn to restore power.
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The problem with some of you is that you read about God in the bible, summarize whom you think he is(which is not exactly what the bible records about him) and use your summary of him to judge him. It doesnt work that way.

Pls may i ask, what do you know about God as you read in the bible? Kindly answer if you are not going to be arrogant and abusive in this discussion. But if you will be, then ignore this post. Thanks.

ooman:
Does god minister the truth to atheists too?

Some atheists knew the truth in the past but deliberately rejected it because they felt it was too bitter for them to swallow, it restricts their freedom to engage in some of the things they want to do. Such people hardly open their heart to the truth

Some became atheists out of confusion and such people are always willing to take another step again in their walk with God when they receive light to some extent in some of the dark areas.

Some others were born atheists and when such people earnestly desire to know the truth about God, He never fails to minister to such people when they are sincere in their search.

ooman:
I thought I made it clear that I was referring to those who are dead, in the past, whom the bible never got to.

You have a conscience right? Those who never came across the bible or the word of God in the past before they died will be judged according to their conscience. There are basic wrongs which you dont even need anybody to tell you that you are wrong when you do them. Your conscience pricks you immediately you do them, once it happens and you feel sorry about it and refrain from doing them again it means you have a genuine intention to live right. Obviously Cain's conscience condemned him when he killed his brother thats why he tried to hide it when God asked him.

God will always minister the truth to us in our hearts or through someone or a book or however, the way we react to it is what matters.

@OP, I didnt see any thing in your write up that is strong enough to convince me to lose my faith in God. Nothing at all.

Talking about Cain and Abel, people in their generation lived up to nine hundred years and above so you cant look at their case with the eyes of our generation where people hardly live up to 80 years and above. Again you cant talk about incest in their own case when God had not made the law. Just like in tho old testament where divorce was permitted anyhow and people married as many wives as possible but when Jesus came he made adjustments to it.

What i'm saying is that nine hundred years is not ninety years so you cant draw conclusions on issues concerning that generation as if they are same with our generation.

freethinker01:
see threat as usual. Fucck you and your fuccking god. So annoying.

Why should it annoy you if its an empty threat? People dismiss empty threats with a big laugh. Your being annoyed shows that its not an empty threat to you.

Denying God is an act of self deceit. Right in your heart the truth keeps hitting you that he exists. Stop deceiving yourself.

plaetton:
Well sir, when it rains, it rains on everyone of us.
Right here in Terra Firma, the irrationality and madness of religion affects both the religilous and the non-religious.

So, until you are raptured away from here and into your celestial la la land , all issues of the religilous concerns us all.

You are not being honest in your reply. The truth remains that your heart cannot do away with the reality of God's existence. Down deep in your heart the truth that God exist keeps hitting you hard hence you keep getting yourself involved in disucssions about him.

Again the guy I replied made a muslim related point of which I listed out to him why I can't trust his religion more than mine with instances in koran. Rather than wait for him to come and defend himself( at least to tell me that the people I mentioned are not recognized in the Koran as I posited) you jumped in with your irrelevant response even when you are neither a muslim nor a religionist. Obviously the truth is hunting you that you are living a life of self deceit in your denial of God's existence.

plaetton:
Silly response.

This is exactly what the op is about.
Every bloke thinks, promotes and hawks his/ her own mental delusions as truer than the rest.
You are the example.

If you were reasonable enough you would ve noticed I was respondng to a muslim issue.

You are an atheist what are you doing with the question that bothers on religion? Shows how you people are living in self deceit.

IanDiamonds:
The usual escape pod? Keep wallowing in your illusion of self deceit. Remember, the devil is sitting on you.

Yea that's his usual style of hiding from his shame. He is like the proverbial mad man that sees sane people around him as abnormal while he is the one that is normal.

AlfaSeltzer:
Stop going to church

Nwa ekwensu.

plaetton:
Quite false.
I know quite a number of dedicated Christians who converted to Islam.

My dear forget the islam story. The koran is an adulterated version of the bible. It came after the bible.

Your koran recognized Jesus, Moses, John the baptist and some other biblical chracters as prophets of God. It even mentioned that God took Jesus to heaven.

Obviously an adulterated version cannot be the original. I ll rather go for the original.

Etetejake:
He ask how to know the true one and u ar answering as if u were there wen Jesus was born. I wish to know more.
U ar a born and brought up christian. so am I. but wot do u think a Muslim will say about his own religion if not that his is also a 100% true religion?

Kindly go to page 1 and see my reply. Thanks.

frosbel:
Is shame the only word left in your vocabulary ?

No. Its exactly what you are displaying. When you display another thing i will tell you. Deal with your shame first.

frosbel:
You have nothing to offer , get your thinking hat back on and come back so we can discuss further.

Again you are hiding from your shame. Answer my questions or forever carry the shame of your inability to answer them.

frosbel:
Questions ?? Where are they ?


What I read is just a weak rant by a confused church goer.

Ask me the questions in a neat and orderly fashion so I can respond accordingly.

You are running away from your shame. Your usual style. You have no reasonable answer to give. Period.

frosbel:
^^^^


I can't help you Pal, it's difficult to de-brainwash religious fanatics, you just need to stop trusting in man and read the bible for yourself to check if what your MOG is parroting every Sunday is true.

Alas, you won't , you are too fearful to embark on this journey to quest for TRUTH.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU OR FOREVER HIDE YOUR FACE IN SHAME. I quote the questions again below.

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honourhim:
Do you even know God? Is it not a height of foolishness for one who does not believe that God can cause a virgin birth to believe that that same God could raise Jesus from the dead?
That the same God could create such a complex world?
That the same God will cause the dead to rise from their graves on the last day?
Is it not a height of foolishness for you to believe the bible at all with all the miracles and mysteries recorded in it which are beyond human understanding with such a claim on virgin birth? Honestly you are a pathetic case.
If those MOG's you mentioned are agents of satan then obviously you are the chief priest of satan.

honourhim:
I thought you were wise but behold your foolishness stinks to the high heaven. If you were reasonable you shouldnt even be quoting bible. A book you dont know those who wrote it.
A book that tells you that there is a God living in heaven beyond the sky when you ve not seen that God.
A book that tells you of great miracles performed by God through his son Jesus Christ and through his people.
If you dont believe the virgin birth and believe in a God you ve not seen, and believe the bible at all then that makes you look so so foolish. Stop fooling yourself bro. Stop playing the middle game( standing in between christianity and atheism). It makes a mockery of you..

honourhim:
So your faith in the existence of God is based on emotion? Your faith in the resurrection of Jesus and of the dead on the last day are based on emotion? your faith in the many miracles in the bible is based on emotion? Be reasonable young man and stop messing yourself up here.

OLAADEGBU:
Thanks for bringing this to his remembrance. He has probably forgotten. I just hope and pray that he smells the coffee before it becomes too late.

The guy is really messing himself up here. What a pity.

frosbel:
So your faith in the virgin birth is based on emotion not fact ?

When you start to reason , then we can talk.

So your faith in the existence of God is based on emotion? Your faith in the resurrection of Jesus and of the dead on the last day are based on emotion? your faith in the many miracles in the bible is based on emotion? Be reasonable young man and stop messing yourself up here.

frosbel:


Why should I be ashamed to use my brain and think for myself. Tell me, why must I agree with you and your doctrines, na by force ?

If I tell you that you are not part of the true church of Christ you will hate me, but this is the truth. You are a member of mystery babylon that has bastardised the faith and turned it into fables, myths and a haven for crooks and fraudsters.

To follow Jesus, you must come out of her and start THINKING, which means use your brain.

I am surprised that you are not commending me for doing the same thing that the Bereans did, which is ;

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." - Acts 17:11

Or did you forget what Paul said here ;

"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron" - 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Or did you forget what Paul said here ;

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. " - 2 Timothy 4:4

I thought you were wise but behold your foolishness stinks to the high heaven. If you were reasonable you shouldnt even be quoting bible. A book you dont know those who wrote it.

A book that tells you that there is a God living in heaven beyond the sky when you ve not seen that God.

A book that tells you of great miracles performed by God through his son Jesus Christ and through his people.

If you dont believe the virgin birth and believe in a God you ve not seen, and believe the bible at all then that makes you look so so foolish. Stop fooling yourself bro. Stop playing the middle game( standing in between christianity and atheism). It makes a mockery of you..