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frosbel:
Lol, you don't lack imagination.

Of course the book of Enoch is a valid book of the bible, do you I believe all it's content, NOPE.

You need to read my article which I raised a few months on bible inerrancy. The Bible is not inerrant.

I feel sorry for you , FEAR is all you know, remove FEAR and you will be back to your vomit.

Learn LOVE ............
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frosbel:
^^^^


Programmed Robot still in action. Smh

frosbel:
Trying to engage OLAADEGBU in a constructive debate is pointless. I should know, I was once like him, a preprogrammed robot spouting out one rigid line of argument with no recourse to personal opinion, logic or reason.

It is only when OLAADEGBU leaves his cult with the one man at the Helm who doubles as their pastor and brain , that his senses may return , enabling him to see the wood from the trees.

honourhim:
Let me quickly bring to your notice before you go far that the book of Enoch in chapter 22 destroys your false teaching of" no eternal punishment","there's nothing like soul that goes anywheret when one dies". Oya go and cook up the lies you will tell in this one as you did in the case of the bible. Mr fear fear.

Here is chapter 22 of the book below-

Chapter 22 [SECT. V.]
1. From thence I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places.

2. Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold.

3. Then Raphael, one of the holy angels who were with me, answered and said, These are the delightful places where the spirits, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men.

4. These places, in which they dwell, shall they occupy until the day of judgment, and until their appointed period.

5. Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the spirits of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing.

6. Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses?

7. He answered, saying, This is the spirit of Abel, who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth;

8. Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race.

9. At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the spirits of the dead, and thus have the spirits of the righteous been separated.

10. Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it.

11. And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime.

12. Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there for ever.

13. And thus has it been front the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners.

14. A receptacle of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those who have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgment, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed God,

15. And said, Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all for ever and for ever.

frosbel:
^^^^


Programmed Robot still in action. Smh

davien:
It does change something....you have already accepted it as a fact....so to you, you'd not notice the emotional blackmail involved....threats are not a valid way of getting to know people.....my father didn't relate with me via threats...so how is it that this "ultimate father" of yours relates using threats?..that is purely egotistic and manipulative...

CANTICLES:
Everything He wrote is scripturally correct !
Gen 3:19 says Adam is dust and to dust Adam shall return.

Psalm 146:4 says a man's thought perish when he dies !

Luke 23:46 says Jesus comend his spirit ( breath) to God ! And Died

John 20:17 reveal that Jesus never ascend to heaven when he dies , he was simply in d grave...............................................
But you find it had to digest since uv absorb pagan greek thinkings .

Wait ! DID JESUS DIE (OR) its Only his flesh that dies ??

davien:
There is no such verse...you are requesting a red herring, I've already asked the basic question, how do you know that the tree its not among the different kinds there was the question...

davien:
Again,how is this not a threat?....pay me or die,choose freely and worship me or burn,choose freely..

frosbel:
Trying to engage OLAADEGBU in a constructive debate is pointless. I should know, I was once like him, a preprogrammed robot spouting out one rigid line of argument with no recourse to personal opinion, logic or reason.

It is only when OLAADEGBU leaves his cult with the one man at the Helm who doubles as their pastor and brain , that his senses may return , enabling him to see the wood from the trees.

philfearon:
I strongly have come to believe that you are really confusing yourself bro.....
From the reply you gave Frank317,its obvious you are just confusing yourself the more....You keep begging the question which is:
What's the need of Redemption, when prevention is the best way?
All of his creation is flawed,starting from the angels down to every last thing in this earth...
Is it the sin of Adam that causes Earthquake,Hurricanes,Storm,Acidic Rain,Ozone Layer depletion,Tremors,Volcano's, etc? No! It is Your Gods flawed creation...It renders him Imperfect and Incapable of Been All-Knowing
If you can't understand this simple things,then am sorry,I must end my discuss with you,Cause it seems you cant see facts from Myths and illogicality and you are hell-bent on the Bible Said so!
Its obvious that God who is supposed to be The Highest of beings expresses human emotions like anger,regret,hatred,Love,Friendship,affection..All this things are mere human attributes,but they are attributed to God...Someone who expresses all this emotions will be flawed and blinded and Biased,and ultimately imperfect...Don't you still get it?

philfearon:
Really!!

You are still doing what you accuse your fellow brethren of doing bro-Defending God...

philfearon:
You are still begging the question which is: Since you have in your statement above,stated that God intentionally planned for man to fail..He created man to be messed up,therefore why does he still take offence?

frank317:
If God knows the end from the beginning, created Lucifer despite knowing that Lucifer will revolt against him and make man, his loving creation, to disobey him, then this whole drama makes no sense.

frank317:
This your ideology only makes your God sound more silly and confused.

frank317:
Why does he get angry at what he knew would happen?
Why does he regret creating man despite knowing he would sin against him?

frank317:
Why is he asking people to come to him all those that are heavy laden when he already knows those who would perish and those who would yeild to his call.

frank317:
Are u trying to tell me that God knew he would get angry or unhappy at man's behaviour even before he created man?

frank317:
If God already know I will not yeild to his call of repentance, of what use is ur preaching to me?

frank317:
Or am I getting you wrong? I am beginning to think your God is a psycho (no insult intended, just the conclusion from what I read from ur post)

frosbel:
^^^^

These Pentecostals like Fiction Novels sha, .

And the strange thing is, even though it says fiction on the front cover they read it as if it were fact

Even more shocking is, the more you quote verses debunking their 'madness', the less clearly they are able to see the truth. Very sad.

CAPTIVATOR:
Go and vomit this fabricated religious fiction !

" YOU are dust , and to dust YOU shall return" Gen 3:19 !!!
Adam was in d dust before God created him, and when he dies HE WILL RETURN TO THE GROUND , Out of which he was taken !!!

" his spirit (breath) goes out, HE returns to the GROUND; on that day his thoughts perish" Psalm 146:4 !! When a person dies , his thoughts perish!

"and Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: "Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit. After saying this , he expired" Luke 23:46 !! His spirit is the force of life in him,.... And as a matter of scriptures, Jesus never ascend to heaven until 40 days after his RESSURECTION .(joh 20:17

philfearon:
Lol. ....You are trying so hard to defend and protect your God. ..

philfearon:
Prevention as is noted, is better than cure; Of what use is redemption When perfection could have prevented "The Fall"?

philfearon:
He created the Other god(s) and Lucifer too right?

philfearon:
You are contradicting yourself again here...If I am to accept him as he is,of what purpose is the Freewill he gave me?.

philfearon:
.For the fact that he doesn't know that his creation will revolt against him makes him a "less-knowing creator" and a creator who is afraid of his creation.....
He should have seen all this things,why did he still allow it and then at some point,he is noted to "regret" it.....How is that possible for an all-knowing God?

edogho:
here to watch... u're going nowhere bro. wake up... all goes to hell/grave... even the Christ spent three days in hell at least that's what ur bible says @Acts 2...


well,I'm just here to watch u guys argue...

davien:
Really but won't the "tree of life" be there?( note: read Revelations 22:2 ) and then read Ezekiel 47:12;

"Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their
leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will
bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them.
Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing."

So how do you know the "tree of good and evil" isn't one of the different kinds there?...placed to run another massacre on "earth 2.0"?

davien:
In other words..why not pay the mob boss threatening you than die,right?
Because that is what you are basically saying....that "god" comes down and says
"heck of a life you got there,would be a shame if you had to burn in hell for eternity wouldn't it?....tell you what,believe in my son here and you're gonna be okay". ..is that "just"?

How is a freewill choice between one evil and another a good thing?...that is blackmail,not a life preserver..

davien:
How are christians sure that on the "new earth" another "tree of good and evil" won't be there?...perhaps as a trilogy to the "freewill" saga...needing another "jesus 2.0"? lol

UncleSnr:
It is written that the evil people will burn in hell i.e. suffer for eternity, my question is that, will it make them become good, or undo the evil they have done?
What is the gain of burning them forever?

PastorAIO:
Aw Lawd!! and if this is answered in the affirmative he will still ask: but do you believe in yahweh the abrahamic god that sent his son and rejects muslims and catholics but only has time for IanDiamonds?

PastorAIO:
I've read a little, I'll still read the rest when I have more time. It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease, it seems. Actually I was aware of the sheer ignorance in Ola's link but my approach is rather to deal with what Ola himself says rather than deal with the link. So I won't comment until Ola himself answers my opening questions to him.
Thanks for the link though.

philfearon:
All your perceived points in the post above seems to be full of affirmations and certainties bro...You seem to have witnessed how the events occurred!!
Why do you so much believe in the Four gospels message?

philfearon:
From your write up above,I can only deduce one thing that summarizes all your post,which is:
That God(Yahweh) is the creator of all things,and that he can do whatever he likes with his creation being an All-Knowing creator right? And that we have no right to question His actions right?

philfearon:
Okay.....

In the new testament,he committed adultery with Another persons wife to bear his son;He made his son believe he had supernatural powers, that's why the son has been notedly been able to fantasise about Walking on water, Turning water into wine,casting out legions of demons and sending them into a pig,Saving the world,etc...
Finally,he made his son believe he could actually fly by dreaming of flying to a heaven..All this made the son(Jesus) finally develop a personality disorder,as there are instances of him claiming to be one with the Father and what follows is a torrent of endless dreams about a heaven with a golden mansions he is preparing for his followers if they can follow in his delusion...
Two of the apostles(John and Paul) bought this lie perfectly and smoked the same SK he was smoking..Instances of them being to heaven are reminiscent in the bible....
......
Don't take it with a bad feeling bro,that's my own thought on the biblical God...
Tell me yours then(as I first asked you already)..
Thanks!

philfearon:
Okay.....
He is a murderer,a thief,Reaps where he did not sow,Permits incest,Loves destruction,committed the highest genocide I have ever read of anywhere,Loves laziness,Does a lot of Magic and makes the people lose sense of reality from fantasy....That's for the old testament...
......
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Don't take it with a bad feeling bro,that's my own thought on the biblical God...
Tell me yours then(as I first asked you already)..
Thanks!

frosbel:
The Pharisees also accused Jesus of working with Satan, you are no different. You are all the same, whether Jewish Pharisee hypocrites or Christian Pharisee hypocrites.

frosbel:
Don't get stressed over me young man, I understand your condition...with time God will open your eyes and translate you from current darkness to light.

peteregwu:
you mean hell does not exist? My God! You are in a deep mess my friend. Pls are you a Jehovah witness? Even Muslims believe in hell fire.

frosbel:
^^^

Okay, now ALEXEO, you didn't have to hide behind a new username to chat with me, don't be scared.


Of course HELL only exists in your religious dream world...keep dreaming, it is not a sin.

frosbel:
Well, because the old testament contains prophecies and pointers towards major doctrines of the bible especially on the issue of life after death.

I can't see anywhere God told Abraham that when he died he would come to heaven immediately, same goes for Noah, David, Isaac etc. Why is that ?

sonOfLucifer:
May truth and light t continue to guide you to eternal freedom. You are about to hatch. Ave Satanas

frosbel:
Hell does not exist, stop lying.