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An2elect2:
The biblical account is very far from sounding preposterous. It makes perfect sense cos that was something caused by God himself. I don't and would not limit my God to my five senses. That's being unreasonable!

Now, wait. A talking goat managed to descend from the moon to offer language to mankind? hahahahahahaha hhahahhahahaha kikikikiki lmao hahahaha help somebody!
where humans just gawking at themselves before the mysterious goat came with the languages? lol

Oh my am afraid to say this: you are worse than atheists.
I hope you get saved seriously.

he is truly worse than atheists. Making a claim on a historical event with no link is quite pathetic and deserves a SOS call.

An2elect2:
Lol look at them jumping from one lie to another.
Atheists, are you guys for real?
Simple question: how did all these different languages come about?
You don't believe the bible account. We have heard o. Oya tell us your own now lol or forever hold your lies (i mean peace).

My dear forget those who are telling you the moon goat tales without giving you a link where the information came from. The issue on ground here is about history, I see no reason why someeone should quote something that has no link with a historical writing. We are not doing child's play here. May be Seun will have to open children's section for them.

dalaman:
The part of the bible that talks about the origin of the earth, humans and how humans started speaking different languages is found in the OT. The OT in so many places has God telling the Hebrew not to associate themselves with people of other tribes , marrying from another tribe in some places was a capital offence. The God of the OT was a very tribal deity.



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Yet in the same old testament we saw God causing other tribes to war against the Hebrews and defeat them, taking them into captivity for many years. The same old testament contains instructions, promises and guides which are not restricted to the Hebrews alone but for us all.

dalaman:
The bible, the verders, Koran and Egyptian book of the dead are all religious mythological books that belong in the same category.

Says who? The bible is not in the same category with any of these books.

dalaman:
I am not talking about languages but their claims about creation, morality, how to live and what will happen to people after they die. I know you reject their postulations. Just want to know if you can falsified their claims as well.

Like i said, the Koran recognized Jesus as the prophet of God and that God took him to heaven, there are some other biblical characters and stories that the koran admitted as true from the little i ve seen now and obviously the Koran was written after the bible. I cannot trust its second hand account more than the biblical account.

The Koran even agrees partly with the bible creation account.

The little i read now about the hindus creation account shows nothing definite in their creation account like that of the bible. They just sampled what they think are possibilities concerning creation. I cant also trust their guess work. Moreover the issue here is not about what other religion think about creation. We are talking about languages here. Do the muslim and the koran have account of how languages came to be? Pls present it

Kay17:
It is obvious from the Bible itself. For example, the book of Genesis narrates events that stretch through thousands of years. It is then reasonable to believe that the writer did not live for over a thousand years to record the events, rather he must have lived at the tail end of those events and relied on sources available during the material time. The Genesis writer would not have been present to observe Adam and Eve do their business, definitely not. Therefore, there must be a primary source.

Who wrote Genesis? How are you sure that it was one person that wrote it? Again people in those days lived up to nine hundred years and above but it seems you are looking at them with the present day life span of below hundred years(or a little above 100 years for a few).

Looks real, looks unreal.

Whatever be the case, God is our refuge and strength, our help in ages past and our hope for years to come.

dalaman:
The old testament is called the Hebrew bible.

Oh...its now only the old testament? No more the whole bible?
By the way who called it Hebrew bible? Is there any place from Genesis to Revelation that we are told that the bible was addressed to the Jews only?

dalaman:
It is the Jewish book of mythology just like the Hindu verders are the Hindu books of mythology. It doesn't matter if billion of people believe those books.

Ok, so is it your wikipedia and the likes that matter? Nah...

dalaman:
Same with the Hindu verders and Koran of the muslims. It has been proven by the billions of muslims and Hindus to be true. Do you accept that the verders and Koran are true? If no, have you falsified them?

I ve not read the book of the Hindus, the little i ve read about the Koran is where they mentioned Jesus so i cant start declaring true or false on the content of the books. Kindly give me the account that these two books gave as origin of languages in the world.

Kay17:
How possibly could the Bible writers have know the origins of human language without relying on folklore and oral sources. That is an important hurdle you have to scale, you have to prove that the Bible which is a secondary source, was able to access a reliable primary source of information.

Who were the bible writers and how did you know that they relied on folklore or oral sources. You mean that the bible was written by people who did not witness the events? The writers you rely on their information to discredit the bible, what makes them more right than the bible writers?

dalaman:
The bible is a Jewish book of history and mythology, as such you will expect the first language to be Hebrew.

Really? Bible is a Jewish book of history yet it influenced the British and the Americans who brought Christianity to us. It influenced Rome, Europe and some other countries so numerous to mention. including some of the now islamic nations to the point of winning billions of souls over the years and building thousands of churches across the nations of the world. "Jewish history and mythology" book indeed.
Even the quran recognized Jesus as a prophet of God.

So these countries were so so mumu to the extent that the Jews were so smart to have influenced them with their history and mythology? Bro pls tell that to the small boys and girls who will believe you.

Again some of you atheists claim that the Jews dont know Jesus yet you are here calling the bible Jewish book of history and mythology. The Jews dont know Jesus yet monuments are built on historic sites of the bible in their country and millions of christians go on pilgrimage there on yearly basis.

dalaman:
Do you have any historical evidence from any where that points to the Hebrew language as the first language humans spoke?

Bible is not an evidence to you because you are an atheist or whatever. But to the billions of Christians out there, bible is proven and is trusted.

davien:
Honourhim what is this thread about?

Go through the thread again, it might help you to know. But if there's any info you want to give me you can go ahead to let me know.

dalaman:
The bible is a Jewish book of history and mythology, as such you will expect the first language to be Hebrew. In ancient Yoruba mythology the first man was also a Yoruba man, ditto for Chinese, Mayan and all other tribes who used their God and religion as a form of identity. Historically there are languages that predate the Hebrew language. The Canaanite language Predates the Hebrew language. I don't want to dwell on ancient Hebrew mythology. I just wants facts and you have non to present.

This is your personal views and submission.

AnalogTechno:
Is this a joke? Out of curiosity how does the Babel story account for the word internet or cell phone?

Obviously you don't understand the discussion here. You just jumped in and started talking. . Ice water bro.

dalaman:
I stated in the beginning that there is more evidence to show that languages evolved over time and made reference to the English language as a language that evolved from the Anglo Saxon language. I never said anything about the origin of the first language. You keep running away from my question which is quite telling. What was the original language that humans were speaking before God confused their tongue according to the biblical tale?

The bible did not mention the name of the languge. And of course I do not expect the language that everyone spoke at that time to have a name. Hower, names like Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain, Enoch, Methusela, Noah, Seth, Ham, Japhet etc that existed before the language separation in the bible might give you a clue to trace what you are asking of.

dalaman:
English is primarily a West Germanic language that originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects, brought to Britain by Germanic invaders and/or settlers from the places which are now called North West Germany and the Netherlands. It uses a vocabulary unlike other European languages of the same era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_English_language

The info you gave cannot be trusted as concrete enough concerning the origin of languages. Pls relate this your analysis to how one language that was operational in the early world mixed itself up to generate other languages that we see today. May be you can start by giving us the origin of the Anglo-frisian dialects and so on.

Weah96:
LOL. Child!

Obviously this shows you were not sure of what you said. You just made the usual nonsense noise that small minds make concerning the bible. Try and grow up. See why people should not take your opinion on issues seriously? Atheist my foot.

Weah96:
These stories were compiled by mad people.

Are you sure of what you ve said?
And if they were not mad let madness come upon you. Do you agree?

AlfaSeltzer:
@ op. Don't you find it curious that Babel was mentioned in chapter 10 of Genesis as the beginning of kingdom of Nimrod, the hunter. Then the name Babel gets coined in chapter 11 of the same book ? Weird book this bible.

I dont get your point here. You sound confused. Again, address the issue at hand and stop digressing

dalaman:
What was the original language humans were speaking before God confused them with different languages?






I gave you a clear example of how the Anglo Saxon language evolved into English over a long period of time and how Latin broke down into Spanish and other languages, yet you are claiming ignorance.

You simply told me an account you read and believed, you were not there when it happened, No? Yet you are condemning me for believing the biblical account. There is nothing strong about the account you gave here bro. Kindly provide the link. Thanks.

DrLazDevitan:
Mr Honourhim,what is the relevance of God causing confusion on the bulders of Babel to speaking in different tongue?

I saw no goodwill in that biblical myth of language evolution.Till date he never succeeded in the confusion he caused(as you may believed).Let's have it,God succeeded,babel was destroyed.Today with the numerous diversity and problems,what is so great about this biblical language evolution.

God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of Sodomy.Did God succeed in stopping Sodomy?

The answer is NO.People still carry it out as a normal lifestyle.

God destroy the earth with water because of sin.Did he succeed in killing sin totally?

The answer is NO.Sin is in the increase and will always be.

Lesson: Every action did by God sometime is useless and necessary does not call for mass bashing(including the confusion at Babel) as it does not solve the problem completely.

This is how people fail exams. I asked for your own account of how the different languages of the world came to be and you are here telling me what you think about God's action. Na wa for una. I'm not interested in your views about God. Your views about him is for you and not me. But thats not the issue here. Lets not digress bro.

dalaman:
You don't know anything, you only believe the biblical tale. By the way what was the original language humans were speaking before God in the bible decided to confuse them with different languages according to the bible?

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Yes I believe the bible very much and that's not your business. Your business here is to provide your own account.

dalaman:
Languages evolve that is the reality of the matter, take the English language as an example. It clearly evolved from the Anglo Saxon language. Latin which is dead now has also given birth to other languages.

You just danced around bro.

Weah96:
Just like your topic.

You have failed to answer my question. All these ones you are doing are diversionary tactics which I'm not ready to play into. Thanks for your time tho.

davien:
honourhim.....what do you understand the big bang theory to be?.......

But bro that's not the issue here. I ll prefer we stick to the issue here. If there are things you think you want me to know about it then give me the link. Thanks.

Weah96:
You haven't presented anything. You made a passing move. A poll of NL Christians will reveal that only you believe that story to be a literal evolution of language.

Since you're curious, I happen to find the "stoned ape theory" by Terence McKenna to be very interesting.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/01/stoned-ape-theory-might-be-more-than-just-stoner-logic/

Weah96:
The silly bedtime story in the bible didn't even remember to mention how language began. The tower of Babel describes how God used magic to cause DIFFERENT languages to emerge, but NOTHING about the FIRST language.
Hahaha.

Weah96:
The silly bedtime story in the bible didn't even remember to mention how language began. The tower of Babel describes how God used magic to cause DIFFERENT languages to emerge, but NOTHING about the FIRST language.
Hahaha.

Irrelevant posts.

Weah96:
Humans tried to build a house that reached the heavens and in order to stop them from building the house, Yahweh caused languages to magically enter their brains.


Is that not the biblical account? Does that make sense to you?

yes it makes sense to me very very well. Now thats not the issue here, present your own account and stop the diversionary tactics bro.

Weah96:
Science has multiple theories, none of which is conclusive. As we speak, thousands are studying this very question, hoping to develop a sensible answer. That's how scientists conduct business, they keep their mouth shut until someone has groundbreaking evidence which supports a particular theory.

Multiple theories, multiple confusions. The cycle of confusion continues. Try harder.

Weah96:
Arrogance masquerading as humility. Are you now a native doctor? How can a living person claim to be certain of what happens when we die?
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You are kidding. So my life must fit into what you want or fit into the limit of your knowledge? Arrogance. Go and look for those you will cage into what you want, not me.

Weah96:
Does your God encourage people to lie?.

Oh... so you know that my God doesnt encourage people to lie yet you dont believe his word? Atheism is really a self deceit.

Weah96:
Anyone reading this thread can see that you're telling lies.

Anyone you said? See the blatant lie you are telling here yet you accuse me of lying. Talk about yourself and your cronies only and stop generalizing .Who cares whether you believe me or not? your believe doesnt change anything bro.

Weah96:
How can you be sure if you haven't been dead before?

Like i said, I dont need to be dead to be sure. I AM VERY SURE OF WHAT I SAID. Feel free not to believe me bro but it doesnt change anything.

Weah96:
Everything you know about everything is from the point of view of a living human being.

This is for you, not me. And of course you spoke based on the limit of your knowledge. Your knowledge limit is not the benchmark of where knowledge ends for everybody

Weah96:
If you are so sure, then why remain on this useless planet when better things dey for the oda side?

It is God that brought me into this world for a purpose or purposes, and when i fulfill the purpose/purposes he will take me home. It is atheists like you who find life purposeless that commit suicide not people like me who knows they are here to fulfill God's purpose.

Weah96:
Keep waiting. There is no single consensus in science about a host of issues, and language is one of them.

This shows that science is facing bunch of confusions and therefore cannot be trusted as you people want us to do.

Weah96:
You claim to have the answer written down in a book, but that's not how humans provide answers to other humans.

Wrong sir. Rather you should say- thats not how atheists find answers. Billions of humans(christians) across the globe have seen answers in the bible so dont generalize. You cant use your believe as the bench mark to how humans are provided answers.

Weah96:
Being able to translate something off an old piece of parchment doesn't make the translated information true.

Bro leave your long stories, its sounding like a broken record and we are used to hearing it from you guys. Thats not the issue here now. The answer to my question is what is needed here pls.

Weah96:
Science has yet to provide a conclusive answer about the evolution of human language.

Just like they have not provided a concrete answer to the creation account and therefore has no basis to condemn the bible account. You people condemn the biblical account yet you have failed to provide a concrete account. Your condemnation has no basis. If you say my product is fake then show me the original. The best way to discredit the bible account is to provide a more concrete account. You dont have a concrete account hence you resort to condemning the biblical account. Thats wrong bro.

Weah96:
But as far as I'm concerned, the bible doesn't say anything about how language evolved either. A story was translated off pieces of old parchment. The story was then presented by you as your contribution to the question.

You are still engaging in the usual irrelevant noise of the atheists here sir. The bible gave an account of how language came to be and we are not here to debate it. Just provide your own answer to how it came to be. I cant play into your tricks of condemning the bible rather than providing a concrete answer to my question. Thats how you people deceive small boys and girls here.

Weah96:
http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001934

The info in this link is quite empty and lacks any element of conviction that can make me drop the biblical account.
And of course, you and the writer admitted to its emptiness.

Weah96:
See logic oh.

We both haven't been dead before, which is why the BEST we can do is speculate.

Either that or shut the f)uck up. Keep your speculative assumptions to yourself.

It is you that is speculating not me. I am not speculating. I am very sure of what i ve said. For you it is only when one dies that he will know if there is after life thats why i asked you whether you ve died before to know that what i'm saying is wrong, for me it is not only in death that one knows so dont group me together with you as those that are speculating.

15 hours gone and still counting........no answer yet from the atheists.

Over twelve hours now and still counting, yet no answers from the atheists.