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plaetton:
You can't claim to be a true believer if you are not free to believe in Santa Clause or the gods of your ancestors.

A very ridiculous logic. Is this all that your brain could tell you? This one no make sense abeg. HahahahaHahaha. Heheheheheehe. Huhuhuhuhuhu. See desperado o.

italo:
I largely ignore all these names you mentioned.

Many Atheists cant ignore God because they fear or know he is real. They spend all their lives and energy talking and thinking about him.

It's a little like when a girl is always saying something bad about a guy...most times, she wants him. If she didn't she'd just ignore him and act as though he didn't exist.

Yea you are right. I hardly even remember all those he mentioned, talk more of discussing or arguing about them every now and then.

Dopeyomi:
I would rather live my life as if there
is a God and die to find out there isn't,than live my
life as if there isn't and die to find out there is!

This is for people who are not sure of their believe. I HAVE NO SINGLE DOUBT ABOUT GOD. NO,NO AND NO SINGLE DOUBT. Those who want to doubt can continue but at the end of their life on earth here they will see how wrong they ve been but it would ve been too late.

Dapo777:
Neither do I,because you haven't pointed out where I got you wrong. I don't expect you to accept defeat,So I understand why you are giving off point,to save your face

you are deliberately claiming you dont understand me so as not to mean a defeat on your side.You want me to keep explaining while you keep claiming ignorance for eternity. You are not serious. Is your brain that low?

theunusualmoon:
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He understands you perfectly bro,he's just playing possum.He has a heart of stone and if he accepts defeat it means he would have to change but you know........He's not ready to change.

Yea you are right.

Dapo777:
Tell me your point na,if what I said isn't what you meant tell me what you mean by naming two people who have sexual relationship with each other, are you not obviously trying to say all the members of the Zoe tribe are sexually related to each other? That they have all had sex with each other that's why no one is shy of being naked anymore. That's exactly what you are trying to say by giving me those examples.

Please look for a better excuse,that excuse doesn't fit in this case at all

Chai. O boy so this is what you can make out my submissions? Oya carry your load try the next vehicle. I have no time to waste.

Dapo777:
Every example you gave me shows me two people who are intimately close to each other to explain why they are not shy of being naked,
So every member of the zoe tribe are intimately close to each other thats why they are not shy to be naked right?

You are a pathetic case indeed since you can't get my point even at this stage.

Dapo777:
Were u not the one that asked me a rhetorical question. Here is your question "was Adam and Eve continually ashamed of seeing their unclothedness after that initial time" ,what are you trying to say with that question? That in your own Bible,the shame they felt was only temporary and it isn't something permanent.

Do you that the example of husband and wife you gave doesn't solve the problem of the tribe that live in their cummunity naked,why did I say So? Because we are talking about a whole tribe here.

[size=17]The Zoe tribe are not all married to themselves, neither have they all had seX with themselves,So the issue of being used to each other unclothedness after the initial time doesn't apply to the Zoe tribe[/b]

[size=16]Honourhim I understand that you and your wife move about your room naked every night since you and your wife are used to each others unclothedness,but that doesn't apply in Zoe tribe because they are not all married neither have they had sex with each other, So how are they used to each other unclothedness to be roaming their cummunity naked?[/size]

Don't disappoint God cook up a better excuse for him

You still don't get it because you are more interested in making jest of the bible. Who cares?

Let me help you here.

Adam and Eve, two people that found seeing their unclothedness normal. How did it start? Initial shyness then over time it became normal.

Husband and wife, two people that found seeing their unclothedness normal. How did it start? Initial shyness then over time it became normal.

Boyfriend and girfriend, two people who found seeing their unclothedness normal. How did it start? Initial shyness then over time it became normal.

Zoe community, a community that found seeing their unclothedness as normal. How did it start? Initial shyness then over time it became normal.

Its a pity how your understanding works.

dalaman:
Who is a christian? Are you one?

You were the one that started telling me about good christians and their diversity of teachings. Now I asked you to tell me what you understand by christian or even good christians and you are asking me.

You don't just make bogus claim. You should define your claim pls.

Dapo777:
Ohhh So after eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil in the garden,they were only ashamed at that moment,then when God sent them out of the garden they were no longer ashamed of being unclad? Is that what you are saying?
Oduduwaboy,davien,plaetton,pastoraio, come and hear what we have missed in Sunday school class ooo

Chei I pity your understanding. Even with the husband and wife, girlfriend and boyfriend example that I gave you you still don't get my point rather you are calling your colleagues to support you. Quite a shame.

The very first time a couple sees their unclothedness they feel shy, subsequently do they continue feeling shy? If you can't relate this to the issue at hand to get my point then its really a pity.

Dapo777:
In others words history has the power to change what happened in the beginning of time in the Bible?
Is that what you are saying?

Do you have understanding at all when you read? Was Adam and Eve continually ashamed of seeing their unclothedness after that initial time? Why do you think this people's case will be different? They should be ashamed everyday? I gave you some other examples with husband and wife, boyfriennd and girlfriend, a thief who steals continually yet you still don't get it.

Do you know the history of the community in question to be sure the initial feeling of shame wasn't there at all?

Dapo777:
You still don't get the point do you?

You said history might have influenced their not being ashamed of being unclad. wow So now history can cancel out the power of the most high God?



[size=20]Honourhim now thinks history is powerful enough to cancel out the effect of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil,everybody can you now see that even God cannot stop history from canceling out what happened in the garden of Eden, powerful God I must say[/size]

Now refer back to the post below where I explained how history can affect them with examples which you delibrately ignored in your effort to just make a jest of the bible. .

honourhim:
My dear they knew that they were naked but its either they decided to carry on like that without having any form of coverage or they were not smart enough to know that they can use leaves to make some form of coverage for themselves (I mean their fore fathers), and it continued like that from one generation to the other making it a normal thing over time among them. Just like someone starts stealing, at first he feels some guilt but over time it becomes normal to him. No more guilt whenever he steals rather he begins to see himself as a sharp guy.
Adam and Eve were ashamed when they saw their unclothedness the first time but after that they were not ashamed of seeing it again. Even today, the shyness that couples or bf/gf experience the first time they see their unclothedness disappears in their subsequent meetings.
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PastorAIO:
Well, I guess that to the extent that I and my dog both share sexual urges then yeah, I'm same as my dog? Apart from that there are other differences. for example I'm bipedal and my dog walks on all fours.

Are you trying to put me down by suggesting that I"m like a dog. Do you really think I'll back down because of such a suggestion? How pathetic!! You've obviously run out of arguments, not that you had any in the first place.

You were the one that brought your dog here when the whole disxussion has been about human. I asked you a question based on your submission and you started complaining. Pathetic.

Furthermore you termed me running out of argument when in the first place I didnt feel I was arguing with you and your initial reply to my post in the morning didn't even suggest I was arguing with you.

Suddenly you are now feeling that we are battling for who knows best just because some atheists made some inconsistent comment. Typical hypocrisy.

PastorAIO:
My dog was naked. it had sexual urges, gave birth to puppies. According to you it must have aware that it was naked. Yet it wasn't ashamed.

Ok You mean you are same as your dog? No difference?

And the above statement you made was what you could make out of that question I asked concerning my statement there?.

dalaman:
How do you.know that they are not real christians? Many of them are here and you can see them disagreeing over many doctrinal issues.

You have not answered my kweshion.

davien:
And that makes you different from the rest of us?

The rest of you? How do you mean? Aint you an atheist?

frank317:
Lol... Animals have sex because they know they are naked. Religion.... Smh

Are you now same with animal or are you claiming now that men never get moved by a woman's unclothedness? Smh for you people.

Dapo777:
So it's until they know they are unclad before they can have s.xual urge? Really you didn't tell me s.xual urge is no longer a physiological function but a matter of being clothed or not. That means that we that are clothed we don't have sex because we know we are clothed? How come a man can have sex.u.al urge for a fully clothed woman,and not have sex.u.al urge for an unclad woman, you have no point man.

The crux of the matter is that they are not ashamed of being unclad as opposed to what the Bible says,that is what we are trying to point out,this cummunity has exposed a lie in the Bible,there is no excuse.

[size=20]The tribe is not ashamed of being unclad but the Bible says otherwise, what does that tell you about the Bible? LIES[/size]

You have a poor understanding I can see. How did I begin my post and what were the points that I made to support my submission?

Again I said that one wha has sense of sexu.l urge, sense of marriage and giving birth to children cannot be said to be unaware that they are naked. What did you understand in that submission?

You just picked my last point, gave it your poor reasoning and clapped for yourself.

The other points I made to prove that they were aware of their unclothedness and how history might have influenced their not being ashamed of it now you didn't see it. Only the last one where I mentioned the bible that you picked because you have no other business in life than finding a way to make jest of the bible.

davien:
You aren't a believer?

I am a believer in God.

dalaman:
If spirituality is true as you claim then why do christians always disagree. Very sincere christians disagree over doctrines and many other things. For example, there are christians that believe that the world was created just about seven thousand years ago, while some other christians believe that the earth has been in existence for billions of years. Please can you use your spiritual knowledge to settle this problem that exist even among christians who believe in this spiritual talk of yours once and for all?

Who do you think is a christian? You think christianity is something one becomes by just claiming it anyhow?

Zikdik:
It does sound like an assumption to me. A poor one at that. Not more plausible than the snail shell and chicken Yoruba theory and the fact that you don't believe does not make it false.
Now that you've been adequately answered and you do not have a convincing reprehension, do close this educational embarrassment of a thread.

Rather you can walk away since you lack any meaningful contribution. Nobody forced you to comment rather you did on your own and sought for my response even while I wasn't showing interest in your submission. Thanks.

davien:
Honourhim....is your "god" real?

Sorry dear I don't have a god.

Zikdik:
You have a better poised "assumption" ?

The biblical account doesn't appear like something being assumed. That you chose not to believe it doesn't make it false. That it is beyond your imaginations doesn't make it impossible. Feel free to believe what you want.

dalaman:
That wasn't my intention, but as the discussion progressed, it lead to the issue of biblical contradiction is is a fact no body denies. Even christian and Jewish scholars acknowledge the fact that the bible is riddles with contradictions. Some give different excuses, some say God allowed such contradictions to trap the wise. They keep throwing different explanations around.



What is the spiritual and how does it affect our lives as humans? Please give me and example of the spiritual in action and how it can be observed so that we know it is true. The spiritual means nothing and does no real work in reality. When a Buddhist monk comes to you and explains how his spiritual experience through the act of Yoga has positively impacted his life, you will discard it or try to look for natural explanations for it, same with a muslims, if a muslim comes to you using his so called spiritual experience of |slam and telling you how it has positively affected his life, you'll also discard it. Why then should I accept your so called spiritual talk that has never been measured or shown to have any effect on anything. In the world of the spiritual anything goes, an insect can have 4 legs, a square can have 8 sides, there can be day and night without the sun and on and on, the spiritual is meaningless, it is just the lies and just assumptions of people.



We are talking about creation, you were the one that came with a challenge about the biblical mythical creation narrative being true, please can you use your spiritual explanation to explain to me how there can be day and night without the sun, or how a language like Hebrew is the first language humans spoke. Use your spiritual knowledge to explain to me how the different races of human beings came about.

Using what you don't know, what you don't believe in, to explain things for you is an excercise in futility. Feel free to believe what you want. It doesn't change anything. Cheers.

N/B
Pls note that spiritual cuts across the good spiritual operations and the evil spiritual operations. The muslim and the Bhudist etc operate in the spiritual too and we don't deny this as you alleged. Even the bible told us about these spiritual forces so we don't doubt other religion when they talk about spirituality. Spiritual operations are not restricted to christianity alone pls.

toxiflam:
Him, contrary to the poster above me I smell APC propaganda
Why highlight the fact that it was a chieftain of APC
Anyway, 2015 go sweet to watch sha

Seriouslly?

Zikdik:
I am still waiting for your questions @ Honourhim.

No question bro. You only made assumptions. Nothing concrete to warrant questions.

dalaman:
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I'm just watching you as you are trying hard to divert this thread from the main issue but I don't fall for such tricks by you people. If you want to argue the so called contradictions in the bible you can open another thread for it so that those who are interested can sort it out with you. I ve told you that whatever you call contradictions can be balanced with another verse by someone who knows better. Feel free not to believe what I said.

For me, I don't argue bible with you atheists. You see life from the physical angle only while i see life both from the physical and spiritual angle. We are two parallel lines that cannot meet. The bible has physical and spiritual angle therefore you can't subject it only to phyiscal perspective. If you want us to argue bible then you must change your perspective of life from only physical to both physical and spiritual. If you can't come to my own stand point to view it then I can't also come to your own stand point to view it. Bible is a divine book, it doesn't matter whether you believe it.

That you don't believe in the spiritual perspective doesn't mean that the spiritual is false. I know you people's tricks of making people see the bible only from your own perspective. Such tricks don't work for me. You can try small minds who are not sure of their belief. Atheists views are not the benchmark of how life should be viewed. Believe what you like but your belief is not the limit of what life comprises. Thanks for your time.

dalaman:
No m not, the bible contains so many contradictions is the point I was making.

Ahhh.. na wa for this your back and forth movement o bros.

Ok o...as regards the issue of contradictions that you mentioned, it depends on the individual reader of the bible. What you may see as contradiction, another person who understands the bible better than you can pull up another verse that balances such contradictions. Each of us have various degrees of understanding of the bible. The contradictions have more to do with our understanding than the bible itself.

dalaman:
Both were written by humans who lied that some divine being told them to write it. The bible claims it s the word of God same with the Koran. Can your provide empirical evidence to show that the Koran is not the word of God? have you falsified the main claim of the Koran?

This is simply your personal assumptions. You have no evidence to show that the people that wrote the bible lied. No evidence to show that it is not the word of God. Just the usual accusation we ve always heard from unbelievers and it remains as baseless as it has always been.

As for the Koran, i ve told you that Koran acknowledged Jesus as the prophet of God whom God has taken to heaven, it also acknowledged some other bible characters as God's people and some bible info. Obviously the Koran came after the bible, I therefore cannot trust a second hand info (which the Koran is) more than the bible. Thats the reply i gave you and i'm still giving you.

dalaman:
Which Jews are you talking about? not the ones living in Israel go to Israel because over 95 percent of them are non christians, they practice Judaism not christianity.

Ok.. you now agree that some percentage of them are christians. Yet it is not strange to the bible that many Jews will not accept Jesus as the Messiah.

dalaman:
Space observatory have sent images of planets forming around their parent stars at different levels. The star always comes first before the planets form later on. Can you explain to me how it is possible for our planet to exist without the sun? What was our earth orbiting around?. How is day and night possible without the sun? Do you know what causes day and night? Just explain to me in clear terms.

This is not enough to conclude that the earth followed the same process in its beginning. The process through which the first man and woman came to the world in the bible is different from the process the rest of us came. You cant use the process the rest of the planets followed to conclude that the earth followed same process.

dalaman:
The bible is a combination of various things.

Bro you are just running from pillar to post.

dalaman:
How is the bible better than the Koran or the Hindu scriptures. Provide empirical evidence for this assertion of yours.


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Provide an empirical evidence to show that bible is the same with Koran etc. as you said.

dalaman:
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The Koran just like the new testament is predicated on the Hebrew bible. Jews do not recognize Jesus or any thing written in the NT. The NT and Koran are the same. The Koran is just another mythical religious book.

Lies. Many Jews are born again and do pray in the name of Jesus. They sing Jesus in their songs recognizing him as the son of God and the albums are out there.

dalaman:
Show me one definite thing in the biblical creation account. The bible says the earth was created before the sun. We know that to be false.

How did you know it is false? were you there in creation to be sure the sun came first?. Just because a group of scientists told you in Wikipedia it then makes it right and the biblical account wrong? No sir.

PastorAIO:
Thanks Mr Dapo. That didn't have the video that I posted but it was good enough. Even better!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--1AEHcLmuk

The one I posted which I can't find had some of them walking around with a piece of string tied to their cocky. Can you believe the person I was discussing with jumped on that and said that they were 'girded' and that the bible said that they would gird themselves. Tying a string was girding to him. Of course it was desperation, but thankfully your video does not have such girding.

My dear they knew that they were naked but its either they decided to carry on like that without having any form of coverage or they were not smart enough to know that they can use leaves to make some form of coverage for themselves (I mean their fore fathers), and it continued like that from one generation to the other making it a normal thing over time among them. Just like someone starts stealing, at first he feels some guilt but over time it becomes normal to him. No more guilt whenever he steals rather he begins to see himself as a sharp guy.

Adam and Eve were ashamed when they saw their unclothedness the first time but after that they were not ashamed of seeing it again. Even today, the shyness that couples or bf/gf experience the first time they see their unclothedness disappears in their subsequent meetings.

If the community you posted their video here were not aware that they were unclad, how come they have sex.ual urge, have se.x and born babies? I cant reconcile the fact that a man and woman who have the sense of having se.x, who have the sense of getting married are not aware that they are naked.

It was after Adam and Eve became aware of their unclothedness in Genesis chapter 3 that they had se.x and Eve conceived and gave birth in Genesis chapter 4.

PastorAIO:
This fact mentioned here is a killer blow for the biblical account in genesis. Genesis says that man saw he was naked and was ashamed. So what of all those tribes walking around naked and unashamed? Did they too not eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil? If they didn't then they don't have original sin. Therefore they should not be suffering from the curses in genesis, and they should not suffer death. This is momentous!!!

In one fell swoop biblical inerrancy is sent to the grave.

Oga pls do us a favour and send the link of the unclad people so that we can read how unclad they are before concluding.

[quote author=An2elect2 post=28443085][/quote]Bros ignore this child and his diversionary tactics.