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SisterMe:
There is no eternal torture in hell for sinners, because it would imply they have a form of eternal life. Hell and its contents have an end after aeons of time. Could be a zillion zillion years, nobody knows. Its long enough to be extremely terrible. The wages of sin is death period. Death is separation from God. The only place to keep those separated from God is hell. It is not for us to question God's discretion just as no one questions us when we kill an ant.

Proportionality of justice- God is not a democracy. It is a theocracy. His judgment is ALWAYS just.

Jesus called hell everlasting fire, the book of Revelations said the lake of fire will burn forever. At another place Jesus called it eternal damnation. Where did you get this your teaching that the fire will quench after some years? Has the meaning of everlasting, forever and eternal changed?

Hiswordxray:
My brother, I like your name "honourhim". But are you really honouring God with your attitude?
Even the person that called me fool have reconcile with me.
All am trying to do is to show you your attitude is mess up but you keep pursuing knowledge.
It is the life you need, it is the life that could transform you.

Again knowledge is useless.

Your attitude is bad bro. Stop preaching false message. The one you dont know simply say you dont know than giving out poison to people. I'm not quarreling with you but i hate proud people. Remove pride in you bro. You dont know the bible, yet your pride keeps telling you that you know it very well.

Hiswordxray:
I don't need to answer your question.
I only desire to help a brother grow up instead of acquiring useless knowledge.

I dont need your silly and poisonous teaching. You know that i ve caught you with that question thats why you dont want to answer it. The pathetic thing about you is that you feel you know the bible when you dont know anything. I ve seen in several threads how atheists exposed your foolishness. See person wey go teach me bible. Do away with your pride. No wonder someone called you a fool in the other thread.

Hiswordxray:
No, it is not theology it is life.
For the God who gives life is love and if you can understand love then you will understand my teaching.

If you understand what I wrote it will give you life and set you free.

Young man answer the questions i asked you. dont jump it.

Hiswordxray:
The Jewish culture is written all over the Bible. But millennia reign can be found no where except a misunderstood verse.

Are you really reading your bible or you're reading theology.
Well theology is useless but the word of God give life and not just knowledge.

Is the word rapture written in the bible? Is the word trinity written there? That teaching you presented there is worse than theology

Hiswordxray:
The Jewish culture was given to them by God. The culture was meant to be a t type and a shadow of things to come.

If you what to understand why Jesus said some of the things he told his disciples especially when it was close to his death. Then go and read about the ancient Jewish marriage ceremony and compare it with the Bible.

Young man, the Jewish culture has nothing to do with the millennia reign. What you wrote there was totally wrong.

Hiswordxray:
The Bible is all about the sweet romance between Christ and his bride.
Every verse is saturated with this eternal romance.
If you didn't see it, then you don't know the Bible.

Thats why you had to employ the Jewish culture into your false teaching to garnish it , meanwhile you ended up ridiculing the bible. Be careful o.

Hiswordxray:
What is so funny?

Bro your teaching is false and funny.

Hiswordxray:
Gen 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
The Church is the bride of Christ and according to the ancient Jewish marriage ceremony the groom will leave his bride for a year and will come at a date unknown to the bride. And when he comes for his bride the marriage festival begins. "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” (Rev 19:7). When Jesus finally marries his bride he has to leave his father and go start a family of his own. Remember the man is the head and ruler of his family.

What kind of false teaching is this?

DrLazDevitan:
Very tired about them!

Just like we are tired of you people.

johnydon22:
just bring him to me hehehehe

. Obviously none of us can do God anything. We can only be angry, speak abusive words to him, deny his existence but.....to our detriment we shall meet him on the other side of eternity. Who lost? Man. The need for us to be wise.

An adage in my place says- onye na amaghi onye kariri ya, bu ihe ojoo. (if one fails to recognize the superiority of someone over him, he suffers)

johnydon22:
i hate it when people try to justify such homicidal act. nobody gave isreal the right to kill a whole race. talking about child sacrifice i think abraham started it. . . so by wiping a whole race even the unborn ones god sort to purge the world of evil? by killing innocent children and women and even unborn one, is he not worse than that their god that demand child sacrifice?? it can never be justified, it is against humanity and any human that tries to justify it is not worthy to be called human. i dont know why people will always see the truth and always try to.cover it in the name of religion, they will see evil and try to justify it in the name of religion. . . who is exactly is evil

Bro kindly tell me what you can do to punish God for these acts pls? I'm waiting for your answers. Cheers.

DrLazDevitan:
The question remains....

Where you created?

Yes or No.......

If man has the image of god it will be so easy to say we have got a picture of god's physical morphology?

Finally,

Why do you think we have same image with god because Moses the claimed authorship of genesis wrote so?

The questions you asked are irrelevant here. The aim of the OP was to detach himself from God since we christians preach that God created man. He felt that being conceived detaches him from being part of God's creation, unfortunately for him, the "conceive" he talked about is still linked to God.
Bro leave your diversionary tactics. The aim of the OP has been defeated and thats the end of the story. I' dont beg people to believe the bible. Your unbelief doesnt change anything. Many people have left bible to join atheism or other belief. Since they left, the world hasnt become a better place rather the world is still sinking from evil to evil. The same evil they read in the bible that made a lot of them hate God. Feel free with whatever you want to believe.

DrLazDevitan:
You should tell bossmind all this not me...

Bro you are lying. Its you that my post addressed.
You were trying to paint God foolish for allowing procreation rather than creating every one same way he used in creating Adam. What I simply did was to tell you the wisdom of God in making room for procreation. Pls stop dodging it.

DrLazDevitan:
From what you said so far,are we to agree god and the 1st man got no bond since he created man and did not procreated him?

No. The first man has a bond with God. It was the breathe of God that gave life to Adam. Read Genesis 2:7.

The quran recognized Jesus several times as the prophet of God or whatever. The bible did not mention or recognize Mohammed as a prophet of God.
why? Becauuse Mohammed and your quran was not in existence during the bible time.

What you people did in the quran was simply to recognize your senior and superior hence the mention of Jesus in your book. We understand.

DrLazDevitan:
And finally,

Do you think it was wise of god to command in your bible that humans and all reproductive being should multiply and filled the earth,when he can always create and keep creating?

Without procreation, the bonding that exists between you and your parents, between you and your brothers and sisters, between you and your relations would be missing. A world without such bonding and love will not be sweet, except if you are telling us you don't enjoy the bonding that exists in your family or that there is no such bonding at all in your family.

DrLazDevitan:
What made you feel you were created?

Is pro-creation the same with creation?

You people are talking as if pro creation and conceive are strange to the bible. God created the first male and female and ask them to be fruitful and multiply. Since then, conception and giving birth has been taking place from bible time till now. Eve conceived and gave birth to Cain and Abel. On and on its being going till now. What's this noise about being conceived and not created? As if its a new discovery. Abeg make we hear word jor.

Genesis 1:27,28.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


Genesis 4:1,2.

 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Silly thread.

AlfaSeltzer:
I was conceived.

If you were created, then you are not human.

Does this change anything? I wonder the big deal in your point since you ll still die whether created or conceived.

SisterMe:
Hi all,

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Is there predestination?

Yes there is. God decides who He will save and who He will not save. HOWEVER, ONLY GOD KNOWS THIS INFORMATION, therefore everyone has a blank check to be among those He will save, by simply doing His will. If you do His will, then you are predestined to be saved. Some start doing His will just before they die, so you should never say this or that living person is predestined to be lost. In order words, leave predestination of he living in the hands of God. Predestination however helps us understand so many things in the Bible.

. Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.[/b]

Exodus 9:16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

I think I agree with you on this. The thief at the cros comes to mind too as an example of the predestination. The bible portion below talks about it.

However, I think the call of salvation is for everyone but it may be that the predestined ones usually find their way to salvation no matter the distractions and obstacles that may have come their way while the ones that are not predestined may not have such priviledges but they can stil be saved if they seek for it. God knows best.

One of the things that I think that influences predestination is the prayer of parents concerning their children before they were conceived. Some parents pray for a child that will serve God in spirit and in truth irrespective of the distractions of the world , a child or children that will not be lost in hell, children that will make heaven at last etc. I ve seen quite a good number of parents who prayed this prayer how their children still came back to God irrespective of distractions that came their way. There may be other factors.
In all, God knows best how he does his things.

[b]Ephesians 1:4-12
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
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