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Inkredible:

Guess they ain't gat any Logical explanation but am still waiting.
#opens my Diet coke/takes a sip# continues chewing my kpomo#

yeah its likely they are still in the kitchen cooking up the lies that they will tell as usual in support of their no-God crap which they use in deceiving small boys and girls here..

Inkredible:
Ah been say make I brush, chop then come comment. But as u don ask. Make I reply.....
I book space!!!

Ok dear. Over 9 hours gone since i opened this thread yet no answer to my question from the atheists. I'm still waiting.

Inkredible:
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. Na answer be this or na space booking?

Scientists and atheists do not believe the biblical account of creation yet they have failed woefully over the years to give us a superior account of creation. The big bang, evolution etc have not given us any concrete thing to believe. Since they ve failed over the years to provide a superior creation account to that of the bible, lets leave them to keep battling with that one and lets proceed to the next one and see what they have to offer.

We know the bible account of how the different languages/dialects of the world came to be so i dont need to go into it again. Now can the scientists/atheists provide us with their own account of how the various thousands of different languages/dialects across the world came to be?


N/B.
No insults pls. If you dont have anything reasonable to contribute you may read what others are contributing and go your way. Its not a must that you will say something. Lets keep the discussion free of insults of any kind pls.Thanks everyone.

Hiswordxray:
Oh! am sorry, I forgot but you don't need to use all those abusive words.

Young man, since you started claiming that you have God's wisdom while I am using the wisdom of man to preach, I ve not seen any positive impact you are making in the lives of the unbelievers.

Now kindly get rid of the pride in you and cool down. Stop claiming what you are not.

Weah96:
You've never been dead before. Nobody has died and come back. Why are you here pretending to know what happens when we die?

Isn't that an example of the know-it-all arrogance you often accuse atheists of displaying?

Have you died before to know that what I said is not happening? That's arrogance on your part. Anyways I'm not forcing you to believe.

AlfaSeltzer:
Because I'm not omnipotent.

Why can't god find an alternative?

Yea I agree that you are not omnnipotent. Now its obvious that you can't operate beyond what God structured. Stop satan from deceiving you that you can manipulate hell fire and make it good.

If satan cannot provide you an alternative to what God structured in this life, then be sure that he can't deliver you from the pains of the lake of fire/wrath of God.

Weah96:
Didn't those hyenas benefit by ripping the blood soaked fetus out of the uterus of that zebra and eating it?

An alternative to this barbarism would have been nice. That's all I'm saying.

Yea the hyenas benefitted and that's life. Someone's loss is another's gain.

And of course an alternative would ve been nice but here we are with no one finding an alternative. We can't operate outside what God has put in place. Same thing goes, those who end up in the lake of fire will not have an alternative to the severe pains thereof. No alternative to make the pains less severe.

The only alternative we have is to prepare for heaven now that we are alive. God help us. Amen.

AlfaSeltzer:
But god created the terror, didn't he? did god give us alternative food source that doesn't involve terror?

Yea that's how God made this llife to be, animals and plants are meant for our food. But since you see it as terror, and I believe you don't like terror, why don't you find an alternative?

Funny how these atheists are throwing all sorts of rubbish to defend themselves. .

God forbid that I will go into this shi.t called atheism.

Weah96:
I need sustenance.

. Sustenance through terror? . On one hand God is being accused of terror, on the other hand the accuser is benefitting from the terror. Na wa for you bros.

frank317:
Oh puuuleeeeese? You and I know he is as much as ur 'enemy' as I am in this battle of believe. The reason why he does not believe in your God is the reason why I don't believe in your god too. Its just proves the op if you actually read and understood.
He being religious like you does not put both of u in the same boat. He has outrigthly condemed your believe system even while he challenged the op. Yet you cling unto him like a lost child just to prove your point. Pls stop making me feel I am talking to a kid.




I challenge you to quote just one single foolish question an atheist has ever asked you.

The last time I check asking question is not a bad thing.

Well if you know what you 'believe' I will not be surprised... After all, your dear friend who you quoted also knows what he believes. But do you know that he knows that what you know you believe is false? Confirm this before you quote him again. clown.

See how you are crying and wailing because i quoted him. You and him are not the same. You believe in no God at all, no creator. Its only senseless people that will believe there is no creator. You and him are wide apart so stop crying. We have our differences in our beliefs but thats not the issue now. You are just bringing this one as a cover up to your foolish believe. When we get to a thread where we discuss which God is right or which of the two(christianity and Islam) is right then we iron it out but for now, deal with his post. I can see the thing dey pain you. kpele o, ndo biko o

asala1:
I believe there were some scholars during the time of Jesus, I don't know if there are any historical documentation of the life of Jesus Christ outside the Bible. He should be an important figure during His time because he had many followers and was a thorn in the flesh of the Romans. Is there anything written about Him in their political history, judicial history, or something during his time? People go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem and many of them visit the tomb of Jesus Christ, I feel there should be something written about Him somewhere outside the Bible?

Check this link and see how far it can help you.
http://www.facingthechallenge.org/outside.php

Weah96:
I've eaten "pregnant" fish on several occasions. The fetus, or eggs, are particularly tasty.

But you're missing the point. The point isn't that humans aren't themselves brutal to animals, but that all of this terror must have been designed by God. According to you. It's called satire.

Since its a terror why are you still committing the terror by eating them? Why dont you stop?

AlfaSeltzer:
This is the wonderful work of your god. Don't watch if you are too emotional.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bwvp4DZO0Y

I love hyenas.

The meat that you eat in your food everyday, the fish and other sea food you use in cooking were they not all killed same way? Why dont you stop eating since you think you are more sensible and more loving? You people reason like clowns in your useless effort to abuse God.

frank317:
Of course what he says will make absolute sense to you as long as he believes in God. For now Allah can be ur God just as long as he is a believer in something. After all u need help to challenge atheists, then latter u can warn him on how he says would go to hell for believing in the wrong God.

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I wonder how you reason. Are you a clown? This thread is addressed to religious people. Now you are crying because i quoted a reply that fits you from a religious person.

frank317:
Sometimes I wonder if you guys are clowns. Stop believing, it's erroneous, if its all about believe I would believe in a tree and make my case based on my delusion.

Even if atheists are wrong, the fact that they ask questions and seek to know instead of just believing should make u give them some credit. I feel if your God exists he would love atheists better.

The difference between us and you is that we dont ask foolish questions. We dont also believe foolishly. You didnt know what you believed that was what led you into questions. I know what i believe. it will amount to gross foolishness for me to question what i know and i'm very sure of. That you dont know doesnt mean i dont know so face your life.

frank317:
ya.... the same guy you are quoting and referring me to is making a case against your believe in his earlier comments. stop clinging on a slippery tree when you are falling, it will not hold you for long.

besides, read what he wrote and he is indirectly proving the OP

I don't care whatever he says in another post. I don't attack or commend individuals rather I attack or commend what you wrote.
If an atheist makes a good point I commend it. That's my style.
That reply he gave answered you, stop twisting it.

asala1:
OP let me help you

Source: http://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm

Can you imagine? He didn't even give credit to the link he got the message from. And he posted it here as if he is the author.
See person wey dey condemn religion. Going to equity with unclean hands. Tufiakwa.

frank317:
Read the OP and for once in your life, make sense out of it. Not everything is about just believing. Not everything needs faith to make sense. Everything is not scriptural that u just read and believe without asking question or even taking your time to analyze.
Besides did anybody force you to believe what you read in the Bible and disbelieve what was on the Koran?

I think you too deserve the reply below

Abuamam:
Sure, except all the above are not actions of the man I believe has delivered the message from my Creator. They are your assessments based on reading fictitious sources that are used for propaganda purposes... a crack in your vaunted relying on provable evidence. It shows that you rely on 'evidence' that panders to your personal petty prejudices as much as the next man, I see no reason why you purport to hold the high ground. Your beliefs are as unverifiable and unverified as mine.

I would be extremely arrogant to say that you are a figment of my imagination just because no scientist has verified your existence, boasting my self allocated 'high level'; (of what, I wonder? you referred to it twice).

Go check eminent scientific fallacies from just a 100 years ago. They confidently denied the possibility of practically every item of technology that is now taken for granted. At your low level of scientific achievements, you have not yet learnt that true scientists never assert that any set of events is impossible in its occurrence. They realise that in a few years, that statement could make them an object of ridicule.

It is a sign of knowledge to say that you do not know when you do not know, or keep mute.

@op,
It is more delusional for me to accept your analysis on religion/christianity/bible, things that have been in existence thousands of years before you came into this world.
Its just funny how you people reason, you want me to believe your writing and disbelieve other people's writing. What makes you think you are right and they are wrong? Your post is for small boys and girls whose minds are easy to deceive.

simplex2:
Lol...91% of christians are so because of the fear of hell; only 9% because of the true love of god. **the fear factor**

People who are respecting you today are doing it for various reasons. It can't be for the same reason, but the bottom line is that they respect you. Its not your business what motivates others to obey God, face your life with God and leave others alone.

CANTICLES:
!!! Death is not a good thing, i saw in d scripture that its a curse But the promise of afterlife of nowadays religion turn it to a blessing thus the op stressed that if thats d case , people should be happy that their loved ones has gone to a better place , )

Same thing is also applicable to ressurection. People should also be happy when their loved ones die since the dead person will ressurect at the last day. Or are you trying to tell us that ressurection posses a hopless situation that should make people cry very much when they lose their loved ones while the after life doesn't pose a hopeless situation hence people should rejoice? This was why I called your post silly. You allowed your false teaching to blind your eyes to the fact that both the after-life and the resurrection poses hopeful situations and if people should rejoice in one, they should also rejoice in the other.

CANTICLES:
.. U will now understand why Jesus wept at the sight of people mourning a dead relative !! Bcoz He knew d man is DEAD ,& its only a RESSURECTION can bring the dead back to life ( Joh 6:44)

Again you expose your falsehood. What you said here was not the reason why Jesus wept. You are desperately pushing your falsehood but I won't allow you succeed. Jesus knew that he would raise Lazarus up yet he wept. Mary and Martha knew they will see Lazarus on the ressurection day, yet they wept. Its just the human nature. Your false interpretation to it does not hold any water.

You don't believe in afterlife, yet Phillipians 1:21,22-24 shows that there is afterlife. Here is it-

21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.


The afterlife is a truth that everyone must face when we die. If you like continue to deny it and be preaching your falsehood. It changes nothing.

seemore:
All these things you mentioned are gone forever. But for people you are supposed to meet up with them in heaven. Compared to eternity the time you will wait to meet with them is very short. But we cry as if we will never see them again like our certificates etc that you mentioned. As if death is the end of it all.
Even the whole christian burial ceremony does not show any sign that this person has gone to a better place. Everything is so gloomy and sad and fear infested that their is no shred of joy that this individual is heading to any beautiful place called heaven.
I don't feel the burial ceremony matches with the expectation of an afterlife with God in heaven in any way.

Now you ve made your point much better. If you say that they grieve too much as if there is no hope Its a different thing than saying it as if people should rejoice than grieve when their loved one dies.
For example, how can someone's father or mother die and the person starts rejoicing? That's what the foolish boy up there that is supporting you is saying. Pathetic how desperate people can be in pushing their false teaching.

asalimpo:
The keyword is "lose".
And it is d wrong word. Biblically speaking, to the child of God , "to die is gain". Do people "feel bad" wen they "gain"?

Paul said for him to die and go and be with Christ is gain. (Yet foolish JW people will come here to tell me that the dead ends in the grave). Misapplying scripture here and there.

Yes it is gain for the person who died in Christ but loss to the people he left on earth. The people he is feeding or helping in one way or the other, the love they share, the role he is playing in the society and other places will be gone. That's a loss bro. Unless the person that died is a mad man who has no positive impact on people around him that's when you will tell me that people will not grieve.
Even the bible did not say that we should not grieve when people die rather it said that we should not grieve like people who have no hope.

GREAT GOD.
WONDER WORKING GOD.
I LOVE GOD.

Built2last:
The next to be removed should be the Arabic inscriptions on our military badges, and rankings....Nigeria is a secular state...period.

This madness has to stop, National assembly is built like a mosque, the presidential villa is built like a mosque....This country belongs to us all and is never a religious state. visit any ministry, parastatal or agency of the government in Abuja. the master plan of those buildings have mosques...They couldn't have the freedom to do that in Lagos, and came up with the script that the capital of Nigeria has to be at the center of Nigeria.

We just need to be security conscious cos in matter of days the news that Hausa/Islamic Inscriptions has been removed will go viral, they will tag all of us HARNI (meaning Unbeliever) and may go on rampage killing themselves not me.

I remember my uncle who was a member of MPR telling me that Soludo had good plans for the Naira but the northern hegemony wont allow him. That his problem with Yaradua began the day he raised it in their meeting that Nigeria is a secular state and so should not have any religious inscription in our currency. He said YARADUA heard of it before that meeting ended. Of course his brothers informed him. Yaradua called Soludo as the meeting was ending to ask how true.

Most people think Soludos tenure was not renewed because of the planned devaluation of the naira which presidency claims they were not carried along. but the inscription on the naira was the genesis of Soludos crisis with Yaradua. OBJs grand plan was that Soludo should remain and complete the devaluatuion plan.

In days to come expect the northern elites reaction to this removal.and may be Bokoharam taking more innocent lives in protest...Nigeria belongs to them and we are their slaves...so an average northerner thinks.

Except for those suffering from historical Amnesia, the 2015 struggle to take power by the north is never born out of the love for Nigeria. The North has not forgiven Southern Nigeria for the death of Yaradua. In their heart, in their mosques, its a subject of discuss that Jonathan is seating on their chance and must be unseated no matter what. Ineeded, Jonathan has disappointed all of us greatly but the North seeking power on the premise that it belongs to them or based on vendetta is a NO NO for me and all intellectual minds.

I dont know how we came up with Quota system, but that stuff has only served in the interest of the north. I dont know any southerner who has benefited from Quota system. We sacrificed merit at the altar of that Northern grand plan. If not tell me why Fashola should not be given APC presidential ticket to have a good election. But try that and see the viper react...It must be them or nothing.They annuled June 12, gave it to Weak Shonekan for few months and chased him out again, killed Abiola in the prison so that , his case will remain in the ash bin of history. Today, my people cry for remeberance of June 12 and they laugh from Minna and Kano.they knew what they were doing... If you are up north during the election, and Jonathan is declared winner, better run for your life. They will unleash the evil dragon, what Bokoharam is doing now is childs play compared to the plan.

bookmark this and quote me on Feb 14th.

So true. My people make una shine your eye o.

CAPTIVATOR:
can u show the silly part in the guy's post ?? Or else u are telling me that u are a "silly" person

If you were reasonable you would ve seen how silly his post is. Reasonable people have seen it so continue in your journey with him.

babeline:
Don't worry by the time a really loved one of yours dies, you will understand.

Dont mind the small boy. People feel bad when they lose their money, car, house, certificate, business, properties etc or fail exam, then he expects them not to feel bad when they lose a fellow human being. You can see how small boys reason.

urheme:
The life after death that i believe in, is that your legacy continue to keep your name alive if not a man's journey ends at death.

I have had a personal encounter with the God of the universe and i can assure you that, God is unreligious.

Bro this is not a matter of what you believe in, It is matter of what is actually the true state of things. Believing in a wrong thing cannot make it right. There is an after life where you are faced with heaven an hell fire. You may choose not to believe it but it doesnt change anything. I pray you change from your wrong belief.

seemore:
I know the first quick answer is that because they miss their loved ones. But think about it, if we are so sure that there is heaven and the person has gone to heaven which is supposed to be a wonderful place. A place where the streets are paved with gold and has mansions for everybody. No sickness, hunger or poverty. If we know for sure that soon we will be there with those our loved ones, will we truly cry like this.
I think the better reaction should be, ok see you soon my man, take care. Just like somebody that just traveled and we will soon meet up with them.
It's also baffling when announcements of death are made in church and you see everybody looking so frozen and I wonder shouldn't we just take it as a normal thing, infact we should be saying oh this man has gone to enjoy. But the reverse is the case, everybody is afraid to die even the priests. Even when a priest dies the reaction is still not right. Pastors pray for you and say death is not your portion and I am like if you are so sure of heaven why not be excited to go there.
When an old man dies people don't cry so much because they believe he lived long enough on earth, notice the emphasis and consolation in long earthly life. Seems somehow we know it all ends here. Nobody knows what is on the other side if there is an other side. Except what we read in religious books (both bible and koran) and try to believe because it gives us hope of immortality.

You dont have a point. Even when your beloved brother or sister living in the same house with you is travelling you still feel bad because you will miss her. Think of death, the pains the person passed through before dying and the fact that you wont see him again in a very long time that is so indefinite, no phone call, no email, no communication at all. Again you are not even sure whether the person had a good stand with God as at death time to earn him heaven.

There are some close people to me that their death was glorious so i'm not in doubt that they are in heaven. To such people, i can only morn because i ll miss them for an indefinite time. To those who i'm not sure where their end will be i morn them for two things- 1. that i ll miss them. 2. The pain they ll face in hell if they didnt make heaven.

CANTICLES:
Nice Observation @ Op ......... People should not weep aftrall the person has gone to heaven , they should rejoice instead !!!! Honestly speaking ..... God place death on Adam as a curse Gen 3:19 , curse is neva a blessing ....... But this afterlife preachers turn death to a blessing, a visa to go to heaven !!! They are Liers ..... Did God promise Adam and eve an afterlife or imortality ?? Nooo, if u say " YES" am calling u a flat lier, nothin of such statement is made to Adam !!! 2. How Can Adam be imortal , since he was BLOCKED from having access to the tree of immortality ?? GEN 3:22 ... Most religions of nowadays are Devil's machinery to propel the immortality lie he made to Eve , which he said as : " You Shall Surely Not Die" Gen 3:4 !! To support it, he uses religion to lie to mankind that somtin in them lives on afta death ! Thus they themselves neva die , imagine that, how can that be possible since Adam was blocked from havin access to the tree of immortality ?? Pity religion

Silly post.