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sirugos:
A TYPICAL IGBO WOMANS' PHONEBOOK
1. JOHN ANU EWU
2. CHINYERE EGUSI
3. CHINTUA GARRI NGWA
4. EMEKA TORO TORO
5. UCHENNA JI
6. EBERE AZU NDU
7. IKENNA AZU OKPOO
8. NGOZI OKRO
9. OBINNA AFOR ANU
10.UCHECHI CRAYFISH
11. CHARITY ABACHA
12. JOY ANARA
13. COMFORT UKAZI
14. MAMA OKEY AKPU
15. NKECHI UGBA
16. LUKE ANU EZI
17. BEN AKPA RICE
18. CHIDINMA ISI OKPOROKO
19. PEACE MGBAWA TOMATO
20. CECILIA OJI IGBO
21.MERCY GROUNDNUT OIL
22.CHUKWUDI OKPA
23.FLORENCE KANDA
24.ONYINECHI OGIRI

very funny

Seun:
If there were actually 10 documented cases of faith healings, the claims would have been written about and debated by reputable journalistic establishments like CNN, BBC, etc, and skeptics like James Randi would have investigated the cases to find the inevitable flaws. As it stands, the sole source of this information is an article on a Christian apologetics site that we've never heard about.

Foolish talk. I've seen miracles, I've experienced miracles.

Candour:
While I'm not saying God can't bless his children with material prosperity, it is necessary to correct the wrong impression folks draw from matt 6:33. That scripture was assuring the audience of God's capability to meet their needs, not pour down riches.

See what Christ said earlier

Matthew 6:25, 31-32 KJV
Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? [31] Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? [32] (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

We can see what Christ said these guys shouldn't worry about. Not luxuries, prosperity, flamboyance etc, no. He asked them not to worry about meeting their daily needs because God knew they needed their daily necessities met. Then Christ assured them thus

Matthew 6:33 KJV
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

What are the things God will add to the audience? Not prosperity, not riches but the things Christ listed earlier; food, clothes and drink which are what a human being needs.

Christ promised to meet needs, not wants. Even Paul reiterated it below

Philippians 4:19 KJV
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

We can look for another scripture that promises riches but matt 6:33 has nothing to do with wealth.

Yea I agree with this.

PastorKun:
"Seek ye first the kingdom of God and every other thing shall be added on to you"

I don't see any promise of material prosperity in this verse except you want to force a preconceived notion into scripture.

In the preceding verses Jesus was addressing the issue of seeking for material things. He now said that our heavenly father knows that we have need of them but that we should seek first the kingdom of God. then all these things will be added. So that places was talking about material things.

I think the instruction says we should not seek for it but that it will be added to us when we seek righteusness.

Itslavishbitch:
What is it you can't do with money.
The person that says money isn't everything must be a poverty stricken scumbag peasant.

I can travel round the world with money.

I can do anything I want with money.

I can have all the sex I want with money.

I have mansions worth your whole generational life savings.

I can buy you with my money.

I can give you a million dollars to lick my ass clean.

I can fvck ur mum Fr a million dollars.

I can do whatever shit I Wanna do with money.

Money is God!!!!!!


WORSHIP IT!!!!!

see poor man worshiping money as usual.

For us, money is our servant. It then means that my servant is your god. What a miserable life you are living. Pity.

tbaba1234:
Lastchild, check out this threads. It has the solutions, you seek:

https://www.nairaland.com/1963721/how-get-rid-jinn

https://www.nairaland.com/1116143/jinn-stories

See how you are here doing your muslim thing freely. But if we want to post in your section you either force us to accept your religion or you ban us forever. Too bad. You people have a serious problem.

JackBizzle:
I dont think I ever quoted you in this thread or the other thread. My comment here was to other sensible people and not you, hence the use of the third person rather than talking to you directly.

So please, carry your madness away.

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You sound so foolish. Did you listen to yourself?

hifaif:
You really should not be on this thread if you do not understand how to debate. You seem to have forgotten the reason why I had to take the pains to dig this info up?

Let me remind you. I gave you this info because you felt that religion was what helped Europe's development.

Who cares the sort of doctrine that caused it? My point is 'Religion underdeveloped Europe until the Age of Enlightenment'

Your post above is thus irrelevant

It seems you have a poor understanding of my post. What I said is that religion did not stop America and Uk from developing since ages.. I never said that religion helped. Here was the post I made here-

honourhim:
Why didnt religion stop America and Britain from developing? They ve been religious since ages and they ve been developied since ages. If religion didnt stop them why do you think it is stopping us or must your atheism always blind your reasoning all the time?

You now tried to prove to me how religion tried to set development back in Europe and I responded by telling you that it wasn't religion that set development back rather it was the empire that unleashed their cruelty under the guise of religion. And that the same cruelty was unleashed on christianity, showing that it wasn't religion that was unleashing the cruelty rather the empire. If it was religion that was doing it then christianity wouldn't have suffered same problem like science did. Your failure to understand me shows how biased you are. Too bad.

Someone also asked here- If religion is an obstruction to development in Nigeria, how come the Arab countries that are also religious are developed? Religion is not the problem here. You people are just biased.

Weah96:
You should have first asked the believers for evidence showing that their Gods exist, before then asking them to tell you why he's the right one.

Carry your useless talk and get out of here. We ve heard it over and over like a cracked record. You said you don't believe in God, leave those who believe to dicuss and stop being silly. You can't impose your believe on people. This thread doesn't concern atheists so getrrout.

hifaif:
The Enlightenment was a sprawling intellectual,
philosophical, cultural, and social movement that
spread through England, France, Germany, and
other parts of Europe during the 1700s. Enabled by
the Scientific Revolution, which had begun as early
as 1500, the Enlightenment represented about as
big of a departure as possible from the Middle
Ages—the period in European history lasting from
roughly the fifth century to the fifteenth.

The millennium of the Middle Ages had been
marked by unwavering religious devotion and
unfathomable cruelty. Rarely before or after did the
Church have as much power as it did during those
thousand years. With the Holy Roman Empire as a
foundation, missions such as the Crusades and
Inquisition were conducted in part to find and
persecute heretics, often with torture and death.
Although standard at the time, such harsh
injustices would eventually offend and scare
Europeans into change. Science, though
encouraged in the late Middle Ages as a form of
piety and appreciation of God’s creation, was
frequently regarded as heresy, and those who tried
to explain miracles and other matters of faith faced
harsh punishment. Society was highly hierarchical,
with serfdom a widespread practice. There were
no mandates regarding personal liberties or rights,
and many Europeans feared religion—either at the
hands of an unmerciful God or at the hands of the
sometimes brutal Church itself.

The Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment,
however, opened a path for independent thought,
and the fields of mathematics, astronomy, physics,
politics, economics, philosophy, and medicine
were drastically updated and expanded. The
amount of new knowledge that emerged was
staggering. Just as important was the enthusiasm
with which people approached the Enlightenment:
intellectual salons popped up in France,
philosophical discussions were held, and the
increasingly literate population read books and
passed them around feverishly. The Enlightenment
and all of the new knowledge thus permeated
nearly every facet of civilized life. Not everyone
participated, as many uneducated, rural citizens
were unable to share in the Enlightenment during
its course. But even their time would come, as the
Enlightenment also prompted the beginning of the
Industrial Revolution, which provided rural dwellers
with jobs and new cities in which to live.

http://m.sparknotes.com/history/european/enlightenment/context.html

The info here is a biased one. The major problem here wasn't relIgion rather it was an empire who caged everyone into some sort of slavery under the guise of religion. Even the church and by extension, religion suffered under this same empire because some doctrines of the scripture were manipulated, twisted and strange doctrines smuggled into the body of Christ which led to a protest by those who couldn't stand the strange happenings.

Obviously it wasn't only science that suffered this cruelty, even religion also suffered, hence the birth of the "protestants". Biased people like you will always want to see religion as the problem rather than the empire even when you know that christianity suffered the same cruelty.

[quote author=SisterMe post=27993968][/quote]I asked you a question and you ve not replied. Whats holding your reply?

hifaif:
Tell us the truth, then. With evidence.

Where are the evidences of your own point?

hifaif:
Things started working well for Europe during the age of Enlightenment. Prior to that time, religion (especially, Christianity) caused Europe to be underdeveloped just the way Africa is now.

lies

plaetton:
I agree that the African mind is destroyed, but you cannot absolve the role of religion in the past 100 and something years.

The Roman catholic church in Nigeria, for example , is engaged in an endless war with our cultures.
Anything cultural is viewed as demonic, and this is passed on to generations.

I have been in occasions where people refused to break or eat Kola nut because of religion.
Whereas, in the Vatican, a lot of top catholic priests smoke cigarettes , drink alcohol, even snort cocaine, while still maintaining their pretences of peity.

Do you know that Catholic church contributes to the development of this country in some ways? Ok it is when they support nonsense that you will clap for them? You dey try.

Dapo777:
What nonsense am I reading in ur post. You are just claiming religious people are also making scientific break Through. Give us examples or hold ur peace.

Quite pathetic that you couldnt notice errors in your questions to me yet you blame other people for not doing well. A simple statement i made here you couldnt read it well to understand.

theunusualmoon:
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Dapo this is not the first time I have engaged you in discussions like this.You are just trying to justify being an atheist and so you come up with all this threads.
Imagine your quote above....
"must you see everything happen in your eyes before believing?"

-- If you can choose to believe in evolution without seeing or experiencing it,how come you are not willing to believe in GOD without seeing GOD?

They know that they are not being sincere in the no-God crap which they are using to deceive small and amateur minds.

Reyginus:
It is everything. The african mind has been tortured by every means possible by the colonisers that he has lost the sense of personal pride. He has been made to believe, by every means possible, that on his own he cannot amount to anything.

The fact that there was religion in the dark ages of Europe when Africa ruled is a testament of that. Religion was never the problem. The colonizers destroyed the african mind.

1000 000 000 000 000 000 likes.

Dapo777:
Point them out naaa or are you just being antagonistic?

Dapo777:
Stop spewing trash and point them out. Point out the religious ones that have made ground breaking discoveries or forever hold ur peace.

Are you reading my post well or is your sense of reading twisted? Pls read it again more carefully and digest it, then come back to the questions you asked me and see your error.

Ovamboland:
What Dapo is saying is Crystal clear, when blacks read just to pass exam, they fail to truly internalize the truth of what has been read. So the majority of students are after 2:1 or 1st class not because of what they want to know but the good life and assured job it promises. Once that job is landed the pursuit of knowledge ends. A situation in my class paints this graphically, the best student in my class of Mechanical engineers got a mouth watering offer in a leading accounting firm and grabbed it. He eventually gravitated to one of the leading banks and the story is obvious, end of any hope of a prolific mechanical systems integrator or inventor of machines to oil the wheels of societal progress. 5 years of rigorous training flushed down the drain on the alter greed.

Is it religion that caused this or you just want to be insincere?

Ovamboland:
It is indicates why most of our professors are hardly found involved in ground breaking discovery as many are busy gravitating from one prayer house to the other or fellowships seeking divine intervention to secure the next promotion. The application of any finding is hardly uppermost in their mind but just to get the next research grant to produce more worthless pursuit and accumulate enough paper to attain the next level.

In a nutshell the religious myopia has joined with certain aspects of our culture we need to forget to create what we have presently

The bold is another false allegation made out of your insincere reasoning. There are some professors that are non religious, why haven't they gone ahead to make ground breaking discoveries since, according to your claims, the religious ones are running from one prayer house to another seeking for divine intervention for their promotion?

Dapo777:
If they don't drop religion will they make an attempt to build rocket that takes them to space,Since That's Where God lives according to the Bible.

See how you lie. Who told you that it was because they dropped religion that they started building rocket? And you are talking as if the entire population of America and Britain are now non religion. As if all their scientists are now non religion. Na wa for you. Your point is baseless pls.

Dapo777:
The non religious ones are the ones seeding the development.
In Nigeria how many non religious do you know of?

Obviously you have no reasonable defence to make. You that is non religious, what development have you made in Nigeria?

Reyginus:
That is too far, bro. Countries like UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar will do.

Yea you are right. These are very religious countries yet developed. Atheism makes these people reason so foolishly and blinds their sense of balanced judgment.

Dapo777:
Hehehe, you wish they are religious

You and i know that they ve been religious since ages and equally developed since those ages. you even confirmed in your post that they brought religion to us. Religion has been part of their national status. They started dropping religion in recent years after they ve been developed. Or are you telling us that development started in America and Britain these recent years that they started dropping religion? You people have a very silly way of reasoning just to discredit religion, especially Christianity.

Dapo777:
I and my colleagues were having a group chat on whatsapp about different theories on how life came to be, some explained cosmozoan theory,some explained Panspermia theory, it was quite educative and interactive, I noticed the passion and zeal in their discussion,they even discussed some experiments about how volcanic eruption simulation in the laboratory could yield organic molecules and nucleotides required in the yield of living cells etc.how
Then I asked them a question,although they don't know I am an atheist yet,

Does anyone here still believe in the Bible creation stories with all these scientific facts and knowledge you guys knows.

They replied no the Bible is the ultimate truth and that they are just learning those stuffs to pass exams anyway.

What a waste of knowledge I said within myself. This is the mentality a lot of Nigerians carry in their head,I am just reading to pass my exam,hardly would you find the ones reading to push their country forward in the right direction.

They don't want to make research because they believe a sky daddy would get mad at them for trying to find out things "beyond their understanding".

What a pathetic situation.

The British that brought religion to control us here in Africa a lot of them have abandoned their religion and are now focusing on scientific endeavour That's why they are developing faster than Nigeria the giant of Africa.

Yes I am angry. At how religion has infiltrated this country to impede our development and cause serious intellectual laziness.

Chaiiiii.

Why didnt religion stop America and Britain from developing? They ve been religious since ages and they ve been developied since ages. If religion didnt stop them why do you think it is stopping us or must your atheism always blind your reasoning all the time?

I still dey come. Make una no close meeting yet.

We are not suprised when we see pastors declaring fake miracle as real. Most of them entered ministry work because of money and for them to make the money they must do their exploit in the area of miracle. Jesus warned us about these wolves in sheep therefore we should be careful.

ifeness:
Jesus is a lie. I don't like Jewish dudes,btw I love women!

All your replies to me and to others have made me laugh so much, and at the same time it has shown me how much you need to be remembered in prayers so that your soul won't be lost in eternity. May God help you. Amen.

ifeness:
Even when you are obviously wrong about everything you believe, you still want me to be like you? I'm not that daft you know!

May God help you accept Jesus before its too late. Amen.

ifeness:
If i accept Jesus,wouldn't that be a blackmail?

Its for your own good that you accept Jesus not mine. No one will bear the consequences of your rejection. My own is just to tell you. Be wise bro.

ifeness:
Can you imagine an unchallengeable authority that will subject you to a total surveillance around the clock for eternity after death. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be his/her fate? I guess no one! At least you can die and leave North Korea. But you cannot escape the prison of the Christian heaven as you cannot die and escape.

Obviously you are battling hard with the truth of the bible. Discrediting God over and over won't change anything. If you die without Jesus you ll face the reality of hell that's why you must accept him now.
The choice is yours.

lastchild:
Spent 6 years of my life fighting the same battle,how could someone went for a deliverance while the spirit he's been fighting is at home waiting for him

This whole fasting and praying seems like an illusion,I'm still loosing



Fkcu this world, I don't wanna be here anymore

My dear it is not jumping from one deliverance house to the other that will save you. Stay in your house, pray to God on your own and have faith in him. He will settle you.
I had a case I was to treat in india but prayer changed the whole thing and I'm healed now and free. God still answers prayer.

Hiswordxray:
Here you are again, proving how knowledgeable you are.

Take my advice and work on our fruit.
It is life you need, it is life that will transform you.
Knowledge is useless.

Are you a mental case? You give useless and meaningless reply to people.( See this one below too).
Twisting and misinterpreting the bible which you have severally engaged in is what you call life. Silly life. Keep deceiving yourself that you have life when you have poison.

[quote author=Hiswordxray
post=27941133]Don't you think you, yourself need answers. Or do you think you know everything. If that is so then you won't be able to learn from God.
Yes you may have a lot of head knowledge but that is useless, for the Bible says "[That you may really come] to know [practically, [e]through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses [f]mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] [g]unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and [h]become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]!" (Eph 3:19).
You may know knowledge but knowing love is lkmore important for God is love.[/quote]