shadeyinka:

Plus North Korea.
All atheistic nations are first secular

we are not saying the same thing.

I gave you the example of France and China because in France religious freedom is guaranteed under the constitution as long as it does not infringe on another person's religious right while in China religion allowed but closely monitored by the state.

North Korea is a communist dictatorship.

we are talking about secularism in the context of secular democracy not dictatorship or communism.

Btw what do you mean by atheistic nations?
And how many are there in the world.

OP what is happening in France has nothing to do with war on morality rather it is about suppressing Islam.

France is a country which believe in separation of church /religious belief and state. They believe religion should be private even though religious freedom is guaranteed in their constitution.

Now after the Charlie hebdo attack and other attacks motivated by IsIS and Islamic terrorism the French officials began to crack down on Muslims with more force.

They believe Islam is not compatible with their Freedom and constitution. They see Islam as a motivation for terrorism and misogyny and they see the use of Burka(face covering) and burkini as a symbol of suppression of women and a religious symbol which they believe should be private.

Now France like most western countries believe in freedom and gender equality.

So personally I see this their crackdown on Burkini as hypocrisy because if they truly believe in the right of all women, Then Muslim women should be allowed to wear what they want unless they are being forced by parents or husbands as the case may be.

This issue is not about morality or bikini but about the effect of religious motivated terrorism in France.

ps : Burkini is not the only thing they banned they Also banned the burka which I think is reasonable.

shadeyinka:


Nothing wrong with secularism if prevention of a religious dominance over others is the objective.

However, there are two types of secularism
1. Theistic Secularism
Which respects all religions equally and does not seeking the dominance of one over others while not allowing religion to dominate governance.
2. Atheistic Secularism
Which respects no religion and thus usually promote atheistic values in governance

yeah e. g France and china

. Samsimple why did you invite this douchebag to this thread?

rekinomtla:
If an atheist state is established it will give atheists a golden opportunity to subjugate non-atheists, specifically theists. Which is currently happening in North Korea. The hatred of God flowing in their veins shall be poured out. And campaigns to eliminate religion will be put in effect, and any means necessary will be used to destroy religion. Religious adherents will be despised and hated in such environments. Communism will most likely also be the position of the state.

I think the OP meant secularism in from of a secular democracy where religious rights of the people will be protected.

for example France, Australia and USA (to an extent) are secular states yet they are not communist or dictatorial states.

superhumanist:
In the UK, they are working to reform the educational curriculum to include humanism and other secular worldviews in religious education.

So why not Nigeria?

The OP reads should we teach atheism in Nigerian schools not should we include humanism and secular world views in religious education.

If the question was the latter then by all means yeah.

supersystemsnig:



Yes, i broke up wif a girl you have eyes on, why hunt me all over the forum? What's the issue? Why not leave me in peace dude? Do i owe you? She's single, c'mon go fetch her, why are you so pained with someone else' pain? Get off my back dude...

dude you clearly have a problem. but nvm

what?? Is there a textbook for atheism?
How does it benefit The students?
how do you teach atheism?

supersystemsnig:

exhausted...brov...maybe later
sleep

guy you funny
simple I'm a deist or I'm a pantheist
or I'm none of the above is all he needs.

tintingz:
Lol, it's not something you will write epistles on.

And besides you said you found God through science now you changed it to through process? What process?

i'd advice you to save yourself the stress. the guy is going to bore you with useless talk.

THT80:


There is a difference between borrowing the logic of an argument and plagiarising a post verbertim without even bothering to paraphrase it, and then presenting that post as if it was originally written by you. These atheists copy comments from online forums like reddit and then upload it word for word on Nairaland as responses to arguments.

butterfly that is supporting you has done exactly the same before so?

see where he was caught and check out his response bloody hypocrite.

https://www.nairaland.com/4079737/part-evolution-theory-got-me/2#60864504


THT80

They copy topics and arguements and so? Theists like olaadegbu, butterflylion, kingebukasblog (that one dey copy YouTube videos join sef) Copy topics too.

doctoralien (his specialty is anti Catholic and anti evolution sites)

olaadegbu and plainbibletruth nko

you guys have no justification to complain.

vaxx:
if you are an evolutionist as you claim, then you should welcome possibility.... Whale ancestors walk with their legs but now whales dwell in ocean...

Hippopotamus and pig share a lot of physical similarity..... Yet they are not from the same family.. Hippo is more closer to whale than pig...hippo can both live fine in both water and land ...mermaid may be possible.... The orgarn that support their existence may support amphibians and aquatic life..As an academia , there is nothing like impossibility.....

hmmm

izaray:
Dn't get that pls

how will you get it when you don't know the difference between work out and walk out. mtcheeew.!

Toks2008:


A woman is unofficially the head of the house if she knows how to use her influence.

By being very submissive to the husband, the woman will subliminally become the head.

pls. we weren't talking unofficially, we are talking officially as in matriarchal view cos he claimed Yoruba culture is matriachal.

If woman is the head of the man, the man should be the one submitting unless you do not know the meaning of submission.

anyway thanks for your contribution

stilldoingokay:



seriously even me self want to know, so male feminist pls and explain OK.

feminist:

An advocate of feminism; a person who believes in bringing about the equality of the sexes (of women and men) .

note: The definition says a person*

Op specified his gender cos most people believe only females can be feminist.

supersystemsnig:



The issue is past bro, don't be like this cmon

pls anything you want to be discussed should be done here. knowing your history I don't think PMs are safe

supersystemsnig:


I'm not your thoughts. I don't need to give validation to your squeaklings. I mean you're just a moniker...

Let it slide brov, i know how you feel, let it slide.

my eyes are on you lmao

supersystemsnig:


I read a comment, i applauded the comment i read only, not the entire perspective.... I'm not what i'm called, i'm not your opinion. Thank you

really . ok I'm watching you. I know you will still expose yourself on another thread the way you did on that rape thread and this one my instincts never lie.

ToZaraWithaZ:
OP, I get your point. But you need not attack the women without also attacking the society that CONDITIONED them to live by such orientations. Certain narrow stereotypical roles have been imposed on them by male social conditioning that if they do not conform to them, they're easily labelled useless, irresponsible, senseless, visionless and bad. They consider them sad and abnormal.

Our world is based on what B.F. Skinner called "operant conditioning". Certain behaviours are applauded, hence reinforced. Other behaviours are condemned, hence are inhibited. Those are the mechanisms that dictate people's behaviour. They seek to be applauded and not to be condemned. But who decides what should be applauded and what should be condemned? The controllers, of course - the sexist patriarchs who do the controlling.

Many people even seemed to have missed your point due to that very phenomenon. They think you're saying marriage is bad, when in reality you're telling women to stop DEFINING THEMSELVES BY MEN. To stop making marriage the very thing their entire existence revolve around. They have to stop making themselves mere accessories - 'cause that tendency harms them in many ways, as a result of TRYING TO MOULD THEMSELVES INTO WHAT MEN REQUIRE OF THEM.

As much as women need to be associated with strength, with independence, with thinking for themselves, and not caring what others think - to replace the "Princess" culture with the culture of the Dominatrix, and embrace non-conformity and dissent when it's good for them, we should also realise the need to flog some goats that are bent on denying them that right.

Just take a look as this thread www.nairaland.com/3871579/sudden-increase-single-ladies-above/13#57746292 and see how an agressive chauvinist was so bent on proving to me that UNMARRIED WOMEN CANNEVER BE HAPPY - WOMEN WILL ALWAYS NEED MEN TO MAKE THEM HAPPY. That's the social conditioning I'm talking about.

As a woman, you don't think marriage is important? Don't worry, they already have names and stories for you.

EOD.

supersystemsnig:



Don't revive what has passed brov...truths are partial not absolute, i don't even know what both of you are contending about.I just want the society to have healthy and happy marriages, That's all i care about. and that any man that beats a wife is idle, and that women should submit to their spouses, career, home or independent women. Simple. I don't know what you're talking about

So you didn't even know what we were talking about and you rushed to hail him Lmao.

If you sincerely want the society to have healthy and happy homes you wont agree with his point about women being just an incubator. you are just a sexist prigg masquerading as an egalitarian.

supersystemsnig:



On point

If you think that his trash is on point then pòcohantas is right about you lmao

Apogee14:
but you said we run a patriarchy so you were wrong too. we both stand corrected lmao. we live and learn.

I'm not wrong most societies in Africa run a patriarchy.

Apogee14:
not a mistake. the major bulk of the mistake was on your path by saying we run a patriarchy which is never the case in nigeria. well i guess we were both wrong. we run a moneyarchy

This nigga is just a master spinner. you stated that African societies run a matriarchy which is why I quoted you in the first place by asking you if Igbo and Yoruba land are in Europe. stop lieing.

Apogee14:
OK maybe i should say nigeria is neither a patriarchy or a matriarchy. nigeria is run by whomever has the balls to grab power. if that person is a woman ? she will rule the men. so we are neither. so there is no need for feminism. as a woman get your money right and you will be slapping all kinds of men upanda lol. money is power in naija. we run a MONEYARCHY LMAO

you you have accepted your mistake I'm glad.

But we. still need feminism many cultures in Nigeria is patriarchal and inequality exists.

Pidgin2:


Haven't you heard of Moremi or Osun at least I've read of both

and? if you don't understand the context don't quote me.

How many moremis and oshuns are there compared to their male counter parts.

it is as if you yourself don't also know the meaning of martriachy

etymology ▼ shownoun (plural matriarchies)A social system in which the mother is head of household, having authority over men and children. A system of government by females (particularly as a kind of polity).

The dominance of women in social or cultural systems.


so ask yourself if moremi is the norm or an exception?

Apogee14:
and again i repeat, matriachy is not in who you trace your genetics through. it is in how women are perceived in society. arab country for example ? that is a patriarchal society. women are not allowed to drive or to be out in public without a man or without covering their face. in nigeria ? women can be whatever they want to be. women run the house. rich women run the country. alakija and diezani used to slap men upanda. whats my point ? nigeria is matriachal and not patriachal so feminism is a mute point. feminism is borne out of oppresion of women. so keep quiet bro. you are a mangina.

women run which country? how many influential Obas are women? how many female presidents have we hard?

like I. said before you clearly don't know the meaning of matriarchy. you have your head in your ass.


matriarchy


etymology ▼ shownoun (plural matriarchies)A social system in which the mother is head of household, having authority over men and children. A system of government by females (particularly as a kind of polity).The dominance of women in social or cultural systems.

Tell me again how we run a matriarchy in Nigeria.




toks2008 this nigga here says woman is the head of the house in Yoruba land do you agree?

Apogee14:
you dont trace the lineage through females because of biology. humans are sperm-cells and the egg is like the incubator or the house where the sperm cells grow. if you look at a baby in the womb its shaped like a big sperm cell. so the sperm-cell is who you are. this is why ancestry is traced through fathers / males. its biology and nothing to do with patriarchy

This your explanation alone is enough to end your bullshit argument. it shows you clearly run a patriarchy in yorubaland.

Akan society is matrilineal thet trace their ancestry through their female and they pocess the same biological traits as the rest of us.

Also you need to get yourself an embroyology text book. it is not the sperm that grows, the sperm combines with the ovum to form an embryo.

The woman also contributes her genetic materials also so don't reduce her to just an incubator you sexist prig lieing about yoruba land being a matriarchy.

Apogee14:
you havent seen magun that catches men ? you havent seen wives that use juju so that their men get stuck to the woman ? or juju by women where you will not get erection again ? lmao siddon there.

as for wuraola and oni, that is a special case for royalty that applies all over the world. when diana divorced charles and she was dating dodi fayed the whole british establishment were angry and in fact some say she was killed. point being royalties all over the world have their own protocols and that has nothing to do with society at large. it is just royalty protocol

the head of most yoruba families are the women. the man is just like a non-existent figure head. its the woman laying down all the laws

British royal house is rooted in partriachy don't let mordenisation fool you. just ask king Henry the eight and his wives.

you know you are lieing as per your last point.How many Yoruba kingdom's are headed by women?

Do you trace your ancestry through your mothers?

What is the name of the most ancient matriarch of Yoruba land. I only know about Obatala and lamurudu. and they are clearly males. why don't you trace your lineage thru females?

As I said earlier you need to Google the meaning of matriarchy because you clearly don't know the meaning.

Humanistme:


I get your point. But in the real world there are narcissists and bad people that take advantage of people not privileged as them or who depend on them. So being independent is a positive trait. it is easier for an independent woman to leave an abusive relationship that it for the one that is dependent.

Daeylar I now get your point. I just re-read the original article the Op made it seem like it is the woman 's fault for getting abused just because she is dependent on her husband sorry I misunderstood you.

Daeylar:


Hmmmmmm

His point is that people should gain independence so that they will stop being abused,
My point is that even if people are not independent does not mean they should be abused. People should be thought not to abuse anyone that is dependent on them.

I really wonder why him and I are arguing.

I get your point. But in the real world there are narcissists and bad people that take advantage of people not privileged as them or who depend on them. So being independent is a positive trait. it is easier for an independent woman to leave an abusive relationship that it for the one that is dependent.

Apogee14:
must the wife worship the inlaws ? it goes both ways, the husband must worship his inlaws too.

does magun catch cheating wife ? they also have magun that catches cheating husband

are divorced queens soiled forever ? not if she is very fine. a fine woman will always have men knocking on her door

no it doesn't go both ways

I havent seen the magun you are talking about.

As for your last point tell that to your people that were screaming it is our culture when wuraola fell out with Oba.

lest I forget do you trace your ancestry from your mother's side in Yoruba land?

Also is the women the head of the households in Yoruba families.

your head is stuck far up your ass that you don't know the meaning of matriachial.